The War On Pre-Christmas Comes To The Senate

South Carolina Sen. Jim DeMint and Arizona Sen. John Kyl have turned resistance to a new START treaty with Russia into a religious calling. “You can’t jam a major arms control treaty right before Christmas,” DeMint tells Politico. “What’s going on here is just wrong. This is the most sacred holiday for Christians. They did the same thing last year – they kept everybody here until (Christmas Eve) to force something down everybody’s throat. I think Americans are sick of this.”

That’s right, it’s sacrilegious to work the day before a religious holiday. Kyl concurs, warning that the Senate risks “disrespecting one of the two holiest of holidays for Christians.” Clearly this line of reasoning is meant to show that Senators are just like regular folk, because regular folk would never disrespect Christmas by working a day or two before . . . oh, wait.

In fact, DeMint is so concerned about the Senate stealing a news cycle from the birth of Jesus Christ that he is doing whatever he can to make Senate business take longer. He wants the entire START treaty read on the Senate floor, which could eat up about 12 hours of his own potential pre-church preparation time. It’s not hard to figure out why only 13 percent of the American people approve of the job Congress is doing, which is the lowest rate in the history of the Gallup poll.

White House press secretary Robert Gibbs just sent out statement calling the DeMint gambit “a new low,” which is almost certainly not true, since this is Washington, where untenable, horrific, appalling lows have been stocked like fine Bordeaux in the cellars of history since the city was designated as the nation’s capital in 1791.

Update: An Obama Administration official, as part of the ongoing campaign to soil the sanctity of pre-Christmas, emails over an additional fact, demonstrating that Democrats want to escalate this showdown with DeMint: “Sen. DeMint only attended 5 of the 12 SFRC [Senate Foreign Relations Committee] hearings on START, plus the Committee markup session on Sept. 16. He was not present for the final vote to order the treaty reported on the 16th.”

SECOND UPDATE: DeMint has dropped his plans to force a reading of the treaty.

The full Gibbs statement, after the jump.

This is a new low in putting political stunts ahead of our national security, and it is exactly the kind of Washington game-playing that the American people are sick of. While some express concern that the Senate doesn’t have time to debate the Treaty, Senator DeMint wants to waste 12 hours to read the text of a treaty that has been available to every member of the Senate and the public for more than eight months. This Treaty has been the subject of nearly 20 Senate hearings and 1,000 questions, and is supported by President George H.W. Bush, every living Republican Secretary of State, our NATO allies, and the military leadership of the United States of America. Every minute that the START Treaty is being read on the Senate floor increases the time that we lack verification of Russia’s nuclear arsenal. It is the height of hypocrisy to complain that there is not enough time to consider this Treaty, while wasting so much time reading aloud a document that was submitted to the Senate months ago.
 

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  • http://gum0nshoe.wordpress.com gumOnShoe

    Republicans are terrorists.

  • allthingsinaname

    Hey it is what the public voted for isn’t it?

  • Cookie Puss

    Christ will have another birthday next year. Get to work.

  • ogliberal

    I’m getting ready to send out a blast email to the hundreds of employees at my company who will be in the office next week and the week after and tell them to let the CEO that they are taking the last two weeks of the year off because John Kyl said that if they don’t, it will make Baby Jesus cry. We’ll survive as a firm…we have a lot of Jewish employees and since Chanukah is already over they can hold down the fort.

  • newfreedomblog

    Do you really think 83% of Americans are upset that Demint and Company are railing against staying in Washington per Harry Reid’s edict to keep them there?
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    83% of Americans are fed up with Washington and how they do business, period. It doesn’t have anything to do with Start or Dream or DADT.
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    As the news goes out how much money has been spent in the “Tax Cut” bill turned PORK BARREL BILL people will not only rise up and take action. There will be protests again in the streets. Not the violent protests by liberals as we have witnessed in Europe, but peaceful, “we will boot you out of Congress” protests ala 2009 – 2010.
    .
    Both Republicans and Democrats in Washington have under-estimated the People. Both shall regret passing this Tax Cut bill.
    .
    A reminder to those who vote for the Obama/Reid/Republican Tax Bill of 2010. Do so at your own peril.

  • formerlyjames

    Peace on Earth. Bah humbug.

  • allthingsinaname

    Once again we can see how successful Obama’s capitulation to the GOP is. I am sooo proud of him.

  • newfreedomblog

    How to talk out of both sides of your mouth. John Cornyn (R-Tx) cries out against earmarks, then defends his own 16 million dollars worth of PORK to his own home State. And they wonder why 83% of the People are completely disgusted with Washington?
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  • http://shortplaysaboutrealpeople.wordpress.com Michael Maiello

    Demint was once founder and president of a marketing company called The Demint Group. I surely hope that he gave all of his employees a couple of days off before Christmas and the week between Christmas and New Year’s off.

    Oh and he should probably call on the President to shut down the financial markets for those days because many of us have to work and it’s just not right!

  • stuartzechman

    Michael Scherer:
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    Wait…no hat tip for commenter extraordinaire grape_crush, who covered this in Sorensen’s morning round-up thread?
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    http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/12/15/morning-must-reads-christmas/comment-page-1/#comment-224468

  • gysgt213

    Giving these people attention only encourages them.

  • http://twitter.com/michaelscherer Michael Scherer

    I was arguing that Americans are upset at a Congress that makes specious arguments to disrupt the course of business, even when substantial majorities agree on something. The polling on START is one issue. The silly posturing, which posits Senators as too good to work a day before Christmas, is another.

  • jsfox

    Rusty,
    Pass this tax cut bill at your peril. So does this mean that you are for letting all the Bush tax cuts sunset come the end of the year?

  • tyrantking

    Sometimes when you talk it reminds me of the Unabomber.

    I’m dead serious, btw.

  • http://therealestamerican.wordpress.com therealestamerican

    Silly liberals. EVERYONE knows Santa is a Republican.
    .

  • filmnoia

    DeMint, Kyl and company are human excrement. The GOP plan during the lame duck session consisted of just one thing – passing the extension of the tax cut for their corporate paymasters – then run out the clock and stall on No START, no DADT, no Dream Act. In their quest to destroy the black guy in the WH, they are selling this country down the river. I hope they get their flag lapel pins lodged in their throats.

  • grape_crush

    Thanks for the compliment, Stuart…
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    Only on rare occasions do the Swamplanders follow the comments for their own posts for more than 15 minutes, much less those of their colleagues.
    .
    Still, if “Jon Kyl wants you to die in a nuclear explosion or from radiation sickness” doesn’t grab one’s attention, then I’m hard-pressed to think of something else that does.
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    And, yes, by whinging on about having to work on the day before Christmas – like millions of Americans do – in order to stall the START treaty negotiated by Obama, Jon Kyl is stating that he wants you to die in a nuclear explosion or from radiation sickness.
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    Simple as that.

  • http://elvisberg.wordpress.com Elvis Elvisberg

    That’s an unfair statement.
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    I mean, say what you will about the tenets of Islamism, Gum, at least it’s an ethos. Republicans believe in nothing.

  • http://www.simonvinkenoog.nl/beeld/Yogi%20-%20Annelies%20Rigter.jpg yogi

    Can the politicians and the media covering them stop with the constant “jamming down our throats” quote? It’s tiring to hear so often…or maybe that’s just my gag reflex.

  • http://gum0nshoe.wordpress.com gumOnShoe

    In case you are wondering why I would say something so irrational/inflaming consider what exactly these Republicans are doing. They are sacrificing American safety to further their agenda. They are holding hostages in order to inspire the fear of “taxes” into the electorate, in order to further their agenda.
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    Now they seek to paint the government as anti-christian. Furthering the fear. Fox plays right into this game with its war on Christmas coverage every year.
    ·
    While these people aren’t Al Qaeda, they are their own special breed of domestic terrorist. One which inflicts damage upon this country by rejecting sane policy for political and monetary gain.

  • allthingsinaname

    START might delay the Second Coming; that would be Anti-Christian!

  • http://twitter.com/michaelscherer Michael Scherer

    Had not seen Grape’s post, but yes indeed, he beat me to it.

  • http://gum0nshoe.wordpress.com gumOnShoe

    Republicans believe in nothing.

    Not entirely true. They believe in the power of 1. Of me over them. Of self gain. Of pleasing those who line their pockets. It might not be an ethos, but its grounds enough for them to commit acts of terrorism on a regular basis.
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    The sad thing is, they’ve declared a ware on terrorism. Who’s got the keys to the new reapers?

  • http://gum0nshoe.wordpress.com gumOnShoe

    ^ read as:

    Republicans believe in nothing.

    Not entirely true. They believe in the power of 1. Of me over them. Of self gain. Of pleasing those who line their pockets. It might not be an ethos, but its grounds enough for them to commit acts of terrorism on a regular basis.
    ·
    The sad thing is, they’ve declared a ware on terrorism. Who’s got the keys to the new reapers?

  • grape_crush

    Scherer breaks the 15-minute rule! Huzzah!
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    Slow news day, maybe?

  • http://gum0nshoe.wordpress.com gumOnShoe

    grape, not true. Unless, I’m an exception to the rule.

  • deconstructiva

    I wonder how often reporters really do check their own blogs. Scherer’s been replying more recently and I believe Katy checks in over longer time, but the others not so sure. Not as many replies as last year and their replies do enhance the blog (and it’s also called part of doing one’s job, yes?). Being busy is NOT an excuse; KT replied a lot and I remember a few complaints from her about needing to get back to work. If she could find a way to engage then sure as hell everyone else can.
    .
    However, asking stuart, grape, and others of 1st and 2nd generation (I’m not one of them), was it worse originally and no one replied much if at all? Thought you mentioned this before, stuart. (And happy b-day, grape, you’re getting wishes at POTY post).

  • squirmz

    OK. I’m normally fairly even tempered and cynical about government, but this really angers me (i substituted angered for the more colorful language i intended to use.) How DARE they throw the religion card out there on a day that ISN’T even the holiday as an excuse not to work! All the rest of us wage-slaves who have to work every day with seldom a reprieve have to do it. Don’t they serve us? I think when i get home from work today I’m going to punch a clown.

  • deconstructiva

    Well, could be worse: try the other end. Imagine NYT and WaPo writing about sticking it up everyone’s asses …verbatim. Think back to Bush / Cheney quote in 2000. Even TIME was squeamish about that (wish KT had written that; bet she’d have gone the full monty).
    http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,54028,00.html
    (yep, even the quote can’t be written here verbatim, got stuck in moderation)

  • Art Pepper

    You can’t jam a major arms control treaty right before Christmas

    Because I can’t think of anything that goes more against the true spirit of Christmas than an arms control treaty.

  • newfreedomblog

    Thanks Michael for replying to comments.
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    For jsfox, yes I do want them to sunset. I believe our country is in very bad shape with our current deficits and our overall debt. We have borrowed and spent as never before in our history.
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    There will be pain to come, they are only adding more pain in my opinion by passing this bill. But along with letting the taxes go up to pre-Bush levels, we should also drastically cut spending by at least by 20% over the next 5 years as well. Then we can cut everyone’s taxes or better yet reform the entire tax system and pass a balanced budget amendment once and for all for the Federal Government.
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    Unabomber? Please. At your own peril was a reference to being re-elected in 2012. I will push as hard as possible to see that everyone, Repubs as well as Dems who voted for this bill to be ousted out of their positions in Congress.

  • deconstructiva

    The sad thing is, they’ve declared a ware on terrorism.
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    Don’t know if “ware” is pun or typo, but literally it’s true. Terrorism makes for good business, such as selling those way-overpriced airport body scanners. Gadgetry doesn’t always beat good ol’ fashioned intelligence and police work.

  • newfreedomblog
  • deconstructiva

    …since this is Washington, where untenable, horrific, appalling lows have been stocked like fine Bordeaux in the cellars of history since the city was designated as the nation’s capital in 1791.

    .
    Wonder if Scherer (or Newton-Small, Steinmetz, Crowley, Pickert, et al) can recommend a fine Bordeaux for under twenty bucks and easily available at Kroger or other stores. Even better if available in a box so as not to buy many bottles; go for the volume discount.

  • stuartzechman

    Thanks so much for responding to commentary, Michael Scherer.

  • stuartzechman

    The worst was that hack Jay Carney, deconstructiva.
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    What an assclown.

  • http://erieangel.wordpress.com erieangel

    All these huge pork packages aren’t even pork. Don’t you know, that money and those programs are terribly needed. To “quote” any lawmaker: “its only pork when everybody else does it, its not pork when I ask for money”.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    FTW

  • doddeb

    Thanks Art Pepper, for a good laugh at the end of a long day. Yeah, I’m sure Jesus would be offended by working on his birthday to promote peace on earth.

  • grape_crush

    However, asking stuart, grape, and others of 1st and 2nd generation (I’m not one of them), was it worse originally and no one replied much if at all?
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    Has it been that long? Eeesh.
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    My take: Starting out, the pro journos (especially the older ones) didn’t quite ‘get’ the blogging thing. It was worse-r in that their posts were mostly FAF (fire-and-forget). Klein definitely clashed with his online readership. Carney didn’t seem to want to be bothered with Swampland.
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    Being old-school media types (excepting Ana Marie Cox*), they weren’t familiar with blog conventions or near-time feedback or the ability of their readership to fact-check or – maybe – prepared to face being challenged on their positions and statements by a moderately well-informed, halfway-intelligent audience. Then came the short-lived attempts at guest blogging, with ‘Mudflap’ Saunders and Dick Armey (who was so dim that even Klein had to take issue with his postings). Then it was all horserace, no horsemeat.
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    They’ve gotten a little better since.
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    *Actually, I think that was why Ana was brought in; as a known, pro blogger she could better lead the Kleins and Tumultys into becoming more adept with using this particular form of media. Where Ana lacked chops was in the journalism part…and when the old salts came up to speed (and newer bloods like Scherer, Sorenson, and Pickert who ‘got it’ were brought online), Ana outlived her usefulness**.
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    **Not that the whole tire-swing-and-drunken-karaoke-with-McCain thing helped much either.

  • Paul-no not that one

    I recall JK being pretty oblivious to the comment section until his infamous post referring to John Kerry as “Frenchie” and also scrubbing his post without noting the edits.
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    It was a teaching moment.
    .
    But yeah, what sz said about Carney.

  • grape_crush

    I recall JK being pretty oblivious to the comment section until his infamous post..
    .
    Oh geez, that’s right! Talk about not getting it…
    .
    Ditto with Klein’s take on his audience here and on mp3 here.
    .
    Being archived, the comments have been scrubbed. Too bad, eh?

  • http://gum0nshoe.wordpress.com gumOnShoe

    You are correct. It is oddly fitting, but it was also a typo.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Voting for Peace on Christmas Eve?

    You know, I would think that would be the most appropriate thing to do with one’s Christmas Eve morning.

    Why are Republican Christians so eager for us all to meet the Great JC in person?

    I guess they fear that Obama will become like the Beatles:
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    .
    We have Rusty’s reaction to anybody being bigger than Jesus, too.
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    Nice pointy hat and sunglasses, BTW.

  • sasquatch08

    I think this is to be expected. Politicians of both stripes will whine about anything.
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    And yes, this is an example of why the majority of Americans don’t like Congress. However, it’s not a good example of why Democrats are “better”. Democrats lost the last election because they were arrogant @ssholes who rammed a bunch of unpopular legislation which they didn’t bother to even read down the American public’s throat while spending trillions of dollars we don’t have on crap we don’t need.
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    What you see here is a tactic you see on both sides. Whine about you opposition doing something, anything and hope it sticks. I seem to remember Democrats a few months back whining that the 60 votes needed in the Senate was a problem and a hurdle that the Republicans were abusing… until they realized that if the rules were changed to 50 votes and the Republicans ever got 51 in the Senate then they’d really want the rule they were complaining about reinstated most ricky-tick.
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    Now if these people actually wanted a progressive like Reid to listen to them, they’d complain about not respecting Kwanzaa, because in the interest of fairness to all and political correctness Reid would probably cancel the current session of the Senate ASAP.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Agreed.
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    This is sniping, not a real issue.
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    I do disagree about what happened to Democrats, though.
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    Obama and Democrats promised HCR, financial reform a stimulus package and even – although never started – immigration reform.
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    Democrats, first, offered watered down versions of all of these promises and, later, failed to explain anything as if everybody in America would sit down and read Time Magazine, the New York Times and, even, the Wall Street Journal to find every detail and realize that the things Democrats did were not a shock, but, just watered down versions of things they promised us.
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    We got promised a single malt scotch and got served Hawaiian punch with few Democrats explaining anything.
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    I think MLK day would be a better example than Kwanzaa, too.

  • highcheef

    It really must be Christmas time. “Peace on Earth, good will to men” and all. Newfree, I don’t think that I have ever read a more sentinent post from you in all my time browsing the swamp (though you did get in a liberal dig, but it was only a flesh wound, not life threatening at all). Typically, you have simply been a firebomber, castigating anything mentioned by folks on the left and blindly supporting anything mentioned by folks on the right. And true, you do have your diametric opposites here that do the same only with a left leaning bias. I just am glad to see you take a position that seems to be entirely your own without schilling for either party. One of these days, you’re even going to find an Obama position that you agree with (even a broken clock is right twice a day, lol). But seriously, I look forward to the day when “We the people” can stop the partisan name calling and judge ideas to move the country foward based upon their own merits and not based upon which part of the political spectrum the idea originated from or how it can be used to attain or cling to political power (a pipe dream, I know, but I’m a lifelong optimist, and we can always dream, can’t we?) Kudos to you and Merry Christmas to all as I post rather infrequently and may not post again before the 25th…

  • http://milascurtains.wordpress.com milascurtains

    Fully agree.
    They also insist, that GOD is by their side.
    Morons.

  • np042

    Personally I find it even more insulting because,as a Christian, I have worked on Christmas. Last year I worked 10 hours Christmas eve, 13 hours on Christmas, and another 8 the day after.

  • np042

    This one was free.
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marouane_Chamakh
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    Oh wait, you mean Bordeaux wine, not the Bordeaux football club.

  • 3xfire3

    What Do We Want for Christmas???
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    Yahoo News 2 hrs 20 mins ago
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    NEW YORK – A New York state senator who was the Senate’s Democratic leader and his son have pleaded not guilty to charges they embezzled more than $500,000 from their New York City health clinic.
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    Sen. Pedro Espada and his son Pedro Gautier Espada entered the pleas Wednesday in federal court in Brooklyn. Bond was set for each at $750,000.
    Federal and state authorities have accused the pair of raiding the clinic’s coffers to spending spree that included Broadway shows and a down payment on a Bentley automobile.
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    The clinic is a federally funded not-for-profit in the Bronx known as Soundview, which the senator founded 30 years ago.
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    The elder Espada was the Senate majority leader, but was stripped of the title after the indictment was released. He lost his re-election bid in the fall.

  • http://erieangel.wordpress.com erieangel

    Hey, freedom, you better be careful, you might be called a liberal for wanting taxes to go back up to Clinton era levels. I’ve been saying for months they should be allowed to so.

  • apr2563

    Great! A picture of Ann Coulter over his bed? Ickkkk!

  • apr2563

    Some one should educate DeMint. Easter is actually the holiest day in the Christian religion. Christmas isn’t close.
    .
    http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/12/reid-i-dont-need-to-hear-sanctimonious-lectures-about-the-meaning-of-christmas.php
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    Harry responds to the sanctimonious.

  • sasquatch08

    @patrick
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    “Democrats, first, offered watered down versions of all of these promises and, later, failed to explain anything.”
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    Not to be obtuse here but I’m not sure they ever promised well… anything. There were two reasons I wouldn’t vote for then Sen. Obama. 1) Experience, he had very little inside the beltway. Unfortunately in Presidential politics you need people who owe you favors, he wasn’t in the senate long enough to have many of those. 2) I never really heard any details on what he wanted to do. It was all “change you can believe in” and he wanted changes in immigration, health care and a myriad of other things but never went into great detail on exactly how he proposed to change them.
    .
    Look at Gitmo. The first thing the President did was sign an executive order closing the place down. It’s still open. Why? Because no one ever got past “Close it down!” and thought about the logistics of what to do with the people held there so that Gitmo could actually be closed. The result of that SNAFU is that the place is still open and holding a bunch of detainees we still don’t know what to do with.
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    With other items the president let the morons in Congress write the bills (ACA, Financial Reform) and the whole thing turned into a mess when there was infighting within the Democratic party over exactly how to structure these pieces of legislation.
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    Democrats have only themselves to blame on this, they had more than enough votes to pass anything they wanted, but they couldn’t agree among themselves, mostly because there are Democrats from Conservative Blue districts/states and Democrats from Purple districts/states that all would have lost their jobs for voting in favor of something like a “single payer system”.
    .
    Also any bill put together by 100 or 435 people that is 1900 pages long is pretty much guaranteeing a disaster when it comes time to implement it.
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    Touche on the MLK thing. You’re undoubtedly correct, though you’d probably have trouble making that a “freedom of religion” argument.

  • rmpriest

    “White House press secretary Robert Gibbs just sent out statement calling the DeMint gambit “a new low,” which is almost certainly not true, since this is Washington, where untenable, horrific, appalling lows have been stocked like fine Bordeaux in the cellars of history since the city was designated as the nation’s capital in 1791.”

    Scherer, I want to frame this in my cubicle. Bravo, sir.

  • perrywhite1

    This isn’t even clever gamesmanship. It’s transparent, it’s venal and it’s just plain stupid.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Sasquatch,
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    I guess the fact that I do not own a TV changes my POV dramatically. If I end up once in a great while at a bar with the TV turned to news (very rarely in a bar and very rarely is anything on the TV other than sports), visiting a relative or, sometimes at a friend’s place do I see any TV at all. So, the “change you can believe in” ads I may have seen only once while the lengthy articles on NPR (I drove a cab and had a radio I listened to), Air America or an article in the New York Times I knew well.
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    So, it is partially me, but, I knew few of the slogans but much of the lengthy articles from the Clinton – Obama debates.
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    Well, I do differentiate between Democrats and liberals/ progressives (same definition, check most dictionaries). You’ll notice that I almost always call the conservative wing of the Democratic Party the yellow bellied blue dogs, not just “blue dogs” since, as far as I am concerned, if you are a fiscal conservative, be a Republican and don’t hide yourself in blue.
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    There were a huge number of attempts to gain at least one Republican vote in all of those measures and that was a secondary reason for watering down everything. The bigger problem were the yellow bellied blue dogs.
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    Fortunately, as far as I am concerned, it was the blue dogs who proportionately got thrown out the most and the liberal democrats who got thrown out the least. Message from the public: get out of the middle. Don’t call yourself a Democrat and vote like a Republican because no Democrat can be a Republican better than a Republican can be a Republican and an actual Republican will defeat you.
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    As for communication, I can’t imagine anybody giving the last house much better than a D for communication since the Democratic platform was very similar to the original proposals. The end results… I am not a fan of the yellow bellied blue dog you could say.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Give them hell. Harry!
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    Great text to Reid’s speech. Flat delivery.
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    Then, again,if he really gave them hell, the Republicans will get all weepy like Beohner.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    3X,
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    Interesting choice of Senator.
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    “Though there were still 32 Democrats and 30 Republicans in the Senate, on June 8, 2009, Espada and Hiram Monserrate (D-Queens) were part of what was described by the Associated Press as a “parliamentary coup” and voted with the 30 Republican members to install Senator Dean Skelos (R-Nassau) as the new majority leader of the Senate, replacing Senator Malcolm Smith (D-Queens).[16][17] In a press release posted to his Senate web page, Espada emphasized that “I remain a staunch, reform Democrat. I have not switched parties.” and that his actions were intended to help end the “gridlock, paralysis, secretiveness, threats and partisan politics” that the Senate had experienced in the previous months and that he was not part of “a power grab or a coup” but was working to build a coalition to serve the needs of all New Yorkers with open and transparent government.[18] However, when pressed by Wayne Barrett on June 11, 2009 as to whether he felt allegiance to the Democratic party, the Senator claimed he owed nothing to a political party that spent “hundreds of thousands” to defeat his past elections.[19]”
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedro_Espada_Jr.#June_2009_.22parliamentary_coup.22
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    The other Democrat who joined him was, also, convicted of a crime:
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    “Hiram Monserrate (born July 12, 1967) is a former member of the New York State Senate. He represented the 13th District which includes the Queens neighborhoods of Jackson Heights, Corona, East Elmhurst, Elmhurst and Woodside. He was expelled by the New York State Senate on February 9, 2010 in connection with a misdemeanor assault conviction.”
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    So, the two Democrats who decided to side with Republicans were a thief and a woman beater.
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    So, if you are trying to pretend that there is a moral superiority to Republicans, it is very interesting that you chose one of the two who, also, decided to caucus with Republicans a year and a half ago.
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    Please don’t go back to what Ted Kennedy did before I was born to make your implication. That’s history just as Kennedy is history.

  • kbanginmotown

    Swampland was driven/moderated by AMC, after her solo endeavor at time.com, “The Ana Log”, failed to generate many comments beyond the Wonkette crowd (guilty) that followed her over.
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    IIRC, the Swampland posts / replies by the rest of the Time journos was light until Ana posted several video “Swampcasts” with Carney and Karen. Things picked up after that (esp KT) and even Joe got involved.
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    Yeah, Carney’s comments were discomfiting. ;)
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    The most interesting tête à têtes, IMO, were when guest bloggers were invited to join the Swamp for a month. Dave “Mudcat” Saunders, an Edwards operative at the time, could p!ss off 5 people per sentence (2 of them being p_luk)…
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    Sadly, all of these comments were “lost” in the “2nd Great Server Meltdown of 2007.” (Although WordPress did not lose our passwords this time…how fortuitous!)
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    Clicking around GG the other day, I found that all of his links to Joe’s infamous “I have neither the time nor legal expertise to figure out who is right…” comment re: warrantless wiretapping were broken. Shame…

  • sasquatch08

    @patrick
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    I agree that not having a TV would change things, personally when I really want news I read two papers, the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal. When I want to be entertained by morons talking about things they will never understand I turn on CNN, FOX or MSNBC.
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    My basic premise was that a lot of people on the far left of the Democratic party just made assumptions about Obama; that he would do exactly what they want and nothing else. Sorry to say it, but that’s not living in the real world.
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    The one area where I disagree with you is on the Blue Dogs, though I can see why you call them yellow bellied.
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    Perhaps it is really time for a 3rd party, because there is no room in the two that exist for people that are actually sane (just my opinion). As a libertarian I am socially very liberal, while being fiscally conservative. On the Democratic side, I am pro gay marriage, pro-choice, pro legalization of drugs pro anti-poverty programs though my ideas on how they should be run are probably different from yours. On my Republican side I am pro-don’t-spend-more-than-you-take-in, and pro-don’t-ask-people-to-give-up-60%-of-thier-income-after-taxes. I am also pro-gun (full disclosure: I collect them and I don’t even know anyone who’s committed a gun crime).
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    In a nutshell, I believe that the government should leave people the heck alone unless they are creating a danger to the health and wellbeing of other citizens, protect the nation (military) and abide by the Constitution at all times. The Constitution is not a suicide pact, but it’s a remarkably flexible document that doesn’t not need much alteration. That being the case, and given the fact that every member of the Government military and civilian has taken an oath to uphold it I expect that they will.
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    We don’t need a government agent telling us that we can’t smoke a joint any more than we need one telling us how to educate our children, what to eat, what insurance to buy or just about anything else. People should be free to succeed or fail at life. Generally speaking with many of the countries ills, not all, but many it is well intentioned government intervention that has caused the problems. That Murphy guy is sort of an @sshole!

  • kbanginmotown

    Well done, Art!
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    What a great sound bite that would be for Reid to state that the Prince of Peace might just approve of an arms control treaty. :)

  • beelkay

    “…this is Washington, where untenable, horrific, appalling lows have been stocked like fine Bordeaux in the cellars of history since the city was designated as the nation’s capital in 1791.”
    This is the best thing I’ve read all day!

  • deconstructiva

    Thanks, everyone, for swamp history. Too bad early comments are gone but I’m watching AMC swampcasts including this –
    http://www.time.com/time/video/player/0,32068,1246771597_0,00.html

  • liberalmeltdown

    Gummy, are you done, or do you want more space to make a bigger @ss of yourself? This government has been voted OUT. That is O U T. I know you can’t comprehend it, but it’s true. Most of your favs are gone, history, passe, arriva derce, adios, aloha, finished, did I say gone, bye bye, hasta la vista baby, f off, been there voted your butts out, you suck. Do you get the picture yet or shall I continue?
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    This Congress is hated by the American people as Scherer points out only a 13% approval rating, but that’s NOT because of a Republican agenda, DUH, and again DUH. Your point shoots you in the foot. Maybe right in the groin. WE DON’T WANT YOU. The FREAKIN reason is exactly what the Congress is still trying. SPEND, SPEND, SPEND. Yes read the damn bill, or whatever it takes to stop you. We voted you OUT. GET OUT!
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    Here’s a boot in your @ss to help you on the way.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Psychiatric meltdown,
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    Four years ago Republicans had the same ass kicking.
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    Unemployment is a killer. People blamed Democrats more than Republicans, but, your so-called revolution didn’t even take the Senate.
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    The American people are tired of all of the fighting and by having the house and Senate lead by different parties have put Democrats and Republicans together like two scorpions in the same bottle.
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    Calm down and look at reality. The Senate and the White House belong to Democrats still. So, Republicans can’t sneeze without permission from Democrats in the Senate and vice versa.
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    That’s where we are at.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    For being so agreeable, it is hard to realize how much we disagree:
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    I support gun control.
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    I am one of the few liberal atheists who are pro-life. (A very small minority amongst liberals and/or atheists).
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    I do wonder if making pot legal and, like alcohol, making strict rules prohibiting anybody under 21 from using it would successfully decrease teenage pot use. I had a relative fifteen years ago, when he was in high school explain to me how, for him and his friends, getting hold of a beer was hard (far from impossible, but took some work) since stores feared selling to underage people while pot dealers had no problem selling to anybody unless they thought you were a cop. So, therefore, legalizing pot would make it less accessible to teens who should most be kept away from it while letting a responsible adult use a little here and there. But I am not sure about that.
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    All other drugs.. I am very glad that all other drugs are illegal with no hesitation.
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    I do believe that it is very possible to get all of the social services we need with a top bracket below 60% and think that, if we don’t over spend on the military, we can do so.
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    Education is a public good. Poor public education limits earnings for a lifetime. Poor public education limits what employers can pay employees. Education is a public good just like national defense, law enforcement and the fire department. I believe that there should be a standard where every employer and every university in America should be able to say to themselves with confidence that, if a person has a high school diploma, then they know what this person can and can not do. Hopefully they can know enough from high school to make a living, but, in many parts of the country, that is not a reality.
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    It’s refreshing to see somebody I disagree with be so agreeable to communicate with.
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    But, as far as I am concerned, if you have a conservative fiscal view, join the Republicans, don’t be a Democrat and demand every advancement (as liberals, not libertarians would call these things advancements) get watered down to nothing. It makes the entire party look awful.

  • http://elvisberg.wordpress.com Elvis Elvisberg

    This is a great conversation, and I don’t want to derail things, but I can’t restrain myself from throwing this out there– “as far as I am concerned, if you have a conservative fiscal view, join the Republicans” doesn’t make sense to me.
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    A “fiscal conservative” is someone concerned with the deficit, correct? So there are no fiscal conservatives left in the Republican Party. They all left after the transparently unaffordable Bush tax policies, the two unfunded (and incompetently prosecuted) wars, and the deficit-spending-financed Medicare Part D entitlement (as opposed to the deficit-reducing health insurance reform plan the Dems just passed).
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    The GOP’s record, starting with Reagan, and continuing on through Bush Jr. & today’s eagerly revenue-reducing Republicans, proves that they don’t care about the deficit.

  • sasquatch08

    @patrick
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    On the education issue I was not clear. What I meant by that comment was that I am against the Department of Education at the Federal level for the simple reason that education is a task that is specifically enumerated to the States and in my mind this Department at the federal level serves only one purpose: as a method for the federal government, through fiscal enticement to stick its nose where the Constitution says explicitly that it has no legal right to be meddling. Further the Department of Education has demonstrably screwed up the education in many states with it’s one-size-fits-all policies such as No Child Left Behind.
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    Other than that I am very pro education, especially since I hail from a state where the High School dropout rate is close to 50%.
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    As for the issue of drugs, I see no point in keeping them illegal. If they were legal and taxed we would spend billions less per year combating drug traffickers and imprisoning our own citizens for possession of a small amount of some substance. Plus we could increase revenue at the state and federal level through taxes.
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    I look at this much like cigarettes or alcohol. It’s a demonstrable fact that raising the “sin” taxes on cigarettes by 25 cents per pack decreases the number of people who smoke by 1-4% depending on the locality. The same could be done with drugs like heroin. Yes, it’s legal to buy/sell/use/possess it but after state and federal taxes its expensive enough that most people don’t want to pay for it. The trick is to get the taxes right so that they aren’t so high as to create another unregulated black market.
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    It’s just my opinion, which is not shared by the Fraternal Order of Narcotics Officers, that things in general, drugs included are far safer for society when they are properly regulated (emphasis on properly) rather then when they are left in the hands of a criminal black market who’s only interest is making money and are willing to commit murder to do so.
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    Theoretically you may even see a serious drop in the rates of violence and murder in major cities as many of those incidents are created by wars between gangs battling for control of drug dealing turf, drug deals gone bad or addicts committing robbery to get a fix. When’s the last time you heard of a smoker committing armed robbery to get a pack of Marlboro Reds?

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