Morning Must Reads: Coup

(White House/Pete Souza)

–Obama’s tax cut deal is poised to sail through the Senate today.

–What you missed Sunday: House Dems want to excise the estate tax concession. Rep. Van Hollen says they’re “not going to hold this thing up at the end of the day.” The White House doesn’t want to change anything.

–Treasury kicks the tires and plugs the deal. Robert Costa writes Krauthammer’s column is giving some Republicans pause.

–Philip Klein makes the case for conservative support:

If some conservatives still feel that the unemployment subsidies and tax credits are not worth swallowing, that’s one thing. But we should still recognize that an overwhelming majority of the deal is stuff that conservatives have either been actively campaigning for or would be perfectly comfortable with.

–Paul Krugman makes the case for liberal dissent:

Highly indebted Americans not only can’t spend the way they used to, they’re having to pay down the debts they ran up in the bubble years…. government spending needs to be sustained: we’re not talking about a brief burst of aid; we’re talking about spending that lasts long enough for households to get their debts back under control.

–Michael Steele is expected to announce whether he’ll seek another term as RNC chair today. Mike Allen says he won’t.

–Retiring Senator Evan Bayh is passing on a gubernatorial bid in 2012. A couple of observations: 1) He was the Democrats’ best shot at taking back Indiana’s governor’s mansion; 2) this likely makes a run for governor all the more attractive to Republican Rep. Mike Pence, who’s expected to seek higher office in some form next cycle; 3) Bayh left a lot of money on the table — $10,262,592 in his campaign coffers at last count. What he’ll do with all that money and his future is still unclear.

–Helene Cooper looks at the vice president’s new role as pointman on the Hill and gets this gem from Anthony Weiner: “Biden brings everything that Rahm Emanuel brings, but the major difference is everyone likes Joe Biden.”

–The future of Race to the Top, Obama’s flagship education policy, is uncertain under the incoming GOP-led House.

–Spencer Bachus, the next House Financial Services chair, defines a “main street” view of oversight:

Bachus, in an interview Wednesday night, said he brings a “main street” perspective to the committee, as opposed to Wall Street.

“In Washington, the view is that the banks are to be regulated, and my view is that Washington and the regulators are there to serve the banks,” he said.

–Louise Story reports there’s a big bank cartel trying to dominate the derivatives market. Felix Salmon thinks there’s another side to the story.

–John Thune and Tim Pawlenty, both looking to capitalize on home-state proximity in a potential presidential primary, eye Iowa.

–Pawlenty has an op-ed in today’s Journal railing against public employee unions’ “silent coup.”

–And please indulge a moment of media navel-gazing: The Atlantic turns a heartening and well-deserved profit for the first time in my memory; and Gawker gets hacked.

What did I miss?

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Related Topics: Barack Obama, Congress, Democratic Party, Economy, Harry Reid, Joe Biden, Miscellany, Republican Party, Senate, State Governments, White House
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  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    “WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama’s approval ratings have sunk to the lowest level of his presidency, so low that he’d lose the White House to Republican Mitt Romney if the election were held today, according to a new McClatchy-Marist poll.

    The biggest reason for Obama’s fall: a sharp drop in approval among Democrats and liberals, apparently unhappy with his moves toward the center since he led the party to landslide losses in November’s midterm elections. At the same time, he’s gained nothing among independents.”

    Poll: Obama’s losing support; Romney would beat him now.

  • michaelfury
  • jsfox

    One poll does not make for a trend. Gallup from a poll taken during the same time frame still has him were he has been for the past 6 months.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

    And if you look at Pollster which averages all the polls the trend line for Indies is up. Dems is down to 79% (still not terrible)

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/06/jobapproval-obama-inds_n_726281.html

    Could your poll be a harbinger? Sure. But looking at one poll and saying this proves it does not make for a strong argument.

  • allthingsinaname

    I have been waiting for years for the Bush Tax cuts to provide a boost to the economy. 2001, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 3008, 2009, 2010…………………………
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    I am still waiting..

  • allthingsinaname

    I have been waiting for years for the Bush Tax cuts to provide a boost to the economy. 2001, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010…………………………
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    I am still waiting..

  • grape_crush

    What did I miss?

    “Tick-tick-tick. That’s the sound of…”*

    “The 2010 meteorological year, which ended on 30 November, was the warmest in NASA’s 130-year record, data posted by the agency today shows. Over the oceans as well as on land, the average global temperature for the 12-month period that began last December was 14.65˚C. That’s 0.65˚C warmer than the average global temperature between 1951 and 1980, a period scientists use as a basis for comparison.

    The 2010 meteorological year was slightly warmer than the previous warmest year, the 2005 calendar year, when the average temperature was 14.53˚C.

    In 2010, temperatures measured over land alone were also the warmest ever, with instruments showing a December-November average of 14.85˚C. Combining this warming with above-average ocean temperatures led to the global average of 14.65˚C”

    (*season finale of Dexter last night)

  • Ivy_B

    Today Obama is signing the Healthy, Hunger-Free Kids Act to provide healthy school lunches. Watch to see how many stories indicate what had to be “compromised” in order for the Republicans to allow it to pass. Yes, it was paid for by cuts to the Food Stamp program. Healthy lunches at the cost of less for other poor to eat.

    All those billions for tax cuts for the rich – and they will be paid for how? Not to mention the money lost from the estate tax cuts and keeping the dividend and capitol gains taxes low.

    But, must cut out that evil social safety net.

  • freeinpa

    “All those billions for tax cuts for the rich – and they will be paid for how?”
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    Once again fo rthe economically impaired left:

    1) It is not a cut but a continuation of the current tax rates.
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    2) you don’t pay for (expected) revenue you pay for spending!

  • grape_crush

    Muslims for Bush founder leaves the GOP.

    “In watching this summer, with the promotion of Arizona’s SB 1070, calls to revoke the 14th Amendment, anger at the overturn of California’s Proposition 8, and lastly, aggressive protest against a mosque in New York City, I came to question how much the GOP values the vision of our American Saints, the Founding Fathers. Quite frankly, we are no longer the party of Constitutionalists.

    Now that said, we are not the party of bigotry, either. I know I made many criticisms this last fall, including accusations of bigotry, but on my deepest reflection, especially when I think of all the wonderful precinct captains and activists who fed and cared for me endlessly, when I knocked on doors, carrying our flag, I do not believe that the majority of the current activist network of the Republican Party is motivated by bigotry… and I am sorry for perpetuating that notion.

    But I do know what you are motivated by: security.

    In an effort to ‘protect’ what America is, what the Founding Fathers kindly left us, the Republican Party has made the decision to put most emphasis on security – aggressively ridding our country of illegal immigrants who may not share our American values, stopping terrorists, preventing all forms of treason, to the point of… to the point of gutting our Constitution and restricting our civil liberties, all through atrocious programs that will be funded with increased spending and taxes.”

  • allthingsinaname

    Yes a temporary current tax rate correct?

  • http://gum0nshoe.wordpress.com gumOnShoe

    If you were about to say:

    But its snowing! lol, global warming

    Please, punch yourself in the face repeatedly and keep your trap shut, you don’t know what you’re talking about.
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    Just felt I’d give that PSA there in advance. Anyone who’s been following this knows that it can still be cold at specific times in specific places and that the measurement of temperature over an entire year for the whole planet is an aggregated average. If things are on average warmer, things are on average gong to melt a little more, sea levels will go up, and climate patterns will shift.

  • grape_crush

    1) It is not a cut but a continuation of the current tax rates.
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    It’s a continuation of the Bush tax cuts, Freeper. Don’t try to weasel your way around it.
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    2) you don’t pay for (expected) revenue you pay for spending!
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    And the expiration of those Bush tax cuts (with the resulting increase in revenue) were intended to help pay for Bush deficit spending.
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    Unless you want to argue that there’s a way to un-spend money, Freeper, which I wouldn’t put it past you to try.
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    Then again, you’ll return with your ‘cut everything’ specific-less argument, which no one can take seriously.

  • grape_crush

    Mark Warner has a really stupid idea.

    “If Washington expects to partner with the private sector to lead the effort toward economic recovery, we must address the regulatory uncertainty felt by many of our small and large businesses. [...]

    …our current regulatory framework actually favors those federal agencies that consistently churn out new red tape. In this town, expanded regulatory authority typically is rewarded with additional resources and a higher bureaucratic profile, and there is no process or incentive for an agency to eliminate or clean up old regulations.

    As a former CEO, I think the best option is to adopt a regulatory ‘pay as you go’ system. I am drafting legislation that would require federal agencies to identify and eliminate one existing regulation for each new regulation they want to add.”

  • 3xfire3

    gumOnShoe,
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    There is a reply to you on “Bernie Sanders Filibuster”
    post 5.7.

  • newfreedomblog

    http://apnews.myway.com/article/20101213/D9K2VUKO0.html
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    NKorea threatens SKorea with nuclear war

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    SEOUL, South Korea (AP) – North Korea warned Monday that U.S.-South Korean cooperation could bring a nuclear war to the region, as the South began artillery drills amid lingering tension nearly three weeks after the North’s deadly shelling of a South Korean island.

  • grape_crush

    “Moderate Republican Stimulus Package 2.0. I wonder how it is going to work”

    (with charts!)

    “Who really got what in this deal? You’ve probably seen this graph circulated by the White House on the Hill[...]

    I want to argue the chart should look [different][...]

    This involves moving two items. The first is the Child Tax Credit. From the Republican Pledge To America (pdf), the Republicans both take credit for the creation of the child tax credit and note the damage that will happen if it isn’t extended (“During the 1990s, a Republican Congress enacted pro-family policies such as marriage penalty relief and the child tax credit. Unless action is taken, a $3.8 trillion tax hike will go into effect on January 1, 2011 that will unravel these policies”). Regardless of whether or not Democrats should support this credit, this is a ‘got’ for the GOP.

    The second is more interesting: Should the payroll tax cut be a ‘get’ for the Republican Party? Republicans are somewhat worried about high unemployment, they just believe it has to do with needing to placate business and focus on supply-side ‘structural’ employment issues rather than restoring demand to the economy. To the extent moderate GOP member would think of demand problems, something like a payroll tax cut is right up their alley. And I’m going to argue five points that the payroll tax cut should be considered a GOP ‘get.’”

  • newfreedomblog

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-12-13/wall-street-sees-record-revenue-in-09-10-recovery-from-government-bailout.html
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    Merry Christmas Wall Street!!
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    Has all the bailout money been paid back with interest?
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    I suppose Congress will continue the charade on tax cuts or as it is better known by rational folks, a tax increase to those who were not party to any bailouts.
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    If you haven’t already, please call your Congressman or Senator and tell them to vote no on the Bush Tax extension, and to enact legislation which simplifies the tax code for everyone, and collects taxes fairly. Along with that also pass legislation to cut spending drastically.

  • grape_crush

    Offer me solutions, offer me alternatives | and I decline.

    “A federal court on Friday declined to halt looming Environmental Protection Agency climate change rules while legal challenges brought by a suite of industry groups, states and conservative activists wind their way through the system.

    The action is a victory for the Obama administration, which will begin phasing-in rules to curb greenhouse gases from power plants and other industrial facilities in January.

    The U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit said in a brief order that the various challenges ‘have not satisfied the stringent standards required for a stay pending court review.’

    EPA portrayed the order as a validation of its climate policies, even though the legal challenges remain in progress.

    ‘This ruling confirms what EPA has said all along: that the agency’s reasonable actions to address carbon pollution will unfold in a manageable and sensible way. Yet again, the doomsday predictions of special interest lobbyists have been proven wrong,’ said EPA spokesman Brendan Gilfillan in a statement Friday evening.”

  • grape_crush

    ‘Tis the sea-son for com-pro-mis-es | fa-la-la-la-la, la-la-la-la”

    “Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid is negotiating a deal with Republican leaders to confirm a long list of President Barack Obama’s judicial nominations that have idled on the Senate calendar for months, sources say.

    The deal could involve as many as 19 of President Barack Obama’s judicial nominees who the GOP consider non-controversial, but would leave out a shorter list of more liberal nominees Republicans consider objectionable — setting up another potential disappointment for liberal activists, who have spent months pushing for their confirmation.”

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    I would say all the liberals who stayed home the last election constitute more than a one day blip. However, the strategic thinkers in the party must feel a stampede of independents will be heading their way, to replace close to half the base, any day now.

  • 3xfire3

    WOW an article from the Left Wing Huffington Post…. Must be really important.
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    Mr. Hasan just ran for political office as a Republican and lost the election. He appears to be a nice man but this is not a big deal story unless you’re trying to make it one by try and to make the Republican Party look bad. Of course that’s always the goal of the Huffington Press and its financial backer good old “Open Society – One World Government” George Soros.
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    George’s Motto is “I will love America when I have Gain Total Control of it”. What a guy.

  • grape_crush

    So, how do we fix a political process that’s fundamentally broken?

    “Before that, the Democrats who control the Senate failed in their efforts to stop filibusters on three other bills, including one that would provide long-term medical care for Ground Zero emergency workers who developed health problems after helping victims of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

    In a single afternoon, the Senate rebuked two constituencies revered by both parties: the military and the Sept. 11 rescuers.

    The confounding actions left many in Washington to wonder whether this was an example of the dysfunction that increasingly seems to paralyze the Senate, the inevitable consequence of having a largely lockstep minority, or simply poor strategy by Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.), who put some lawmakers in impossible binds. Or maybe all of the above.

    An institution designed to chew over legislation slowly, refining and moderating bills passed by the House, now routinely chokes on them.

    ‘Other than some exceptional moments, like health care, the Senate has a lot of trouble doing business in the modern era,’ said Julian Zelizer, a professor of history at Princeton University. ‘Partisanship, combined with the rules of the Senate, make for an institution that doesn’t like . . . to act at all.’”

    (side note: so much for ‘we will never forget the heroes of 9/11′)

  • grape_crush

    Oh, it only stings you because it’s true, 3x…
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    I can think of all different sorts of things to say about a moderate, rights-oriented fiscal conservative who feels that the Dems represent his views better than the Repubs.
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    And not all of them are necessarily positives for the Dems.

  • newfreedomblog

    The problem is not the institution, or the documents created by our founding Fathers. The problem lies with those who have been elected to represent us in Washington.
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    If you want real change, then vote. Vote honest men and women who will do what is right in Washington. That solves all the problems.

  • grape_crush

    I can’t disagree with this sentiment, only with the details of what Rusty means when he says “pass[...] legislation to cut spending drastically”.

  • Art Pepper

    you don’t pay for (expected) revenue you pay for spending!
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    So are you saying that extending the tax cuts will not increase the deficit?

  • 53_3

    Didn’t Your Supreme Intellect Sarah Palin point out that North Korea was our ally?
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    What are you thinking….

  • Art Pepper

    apropos of Pawlenty’s idiotic op-ed:

    http://www.ginandtacos.com/2010/12/06/turntables/

    Having dispatched the poor and the working class [...] it has become necessary to move one more step up the ladder and vilify the middle class. Now the leeches and deadbeats are the petit bourgeoise. Civil servants. Teachers. Middle management. Basically anyone with a pension or benefits beyond a salary.

  • grape_crush

    The thrill is gone | The thrill is gone away from me

    “Sarah Palin’s magic touch might be fading a bit. Although several of her recent projects have been successful, Palin’s latest book isn’t one of them.[...]

    One theory within the publishing industry is that Palin is overexposed, at least in terms of drawing readers.

    Palin’s first book, published only a year ago, sold well enough to sate Palin’s supporters, her enemies and the merely curious. It was such a strong seller in hardcover that it crowded out demand for the book in paperback and for the sequel of sorts, some in the industry say. The paperback version of ‘Going Rogue’ has not made the bestseller lists or gone into reprint since it was issued with a new afterword by Palin in August.”

    (the Palin meets Kate Plus 8 show should be Palin’s ‘jump the shark’ moment…)

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    yes

  • pintortwo

    (T)he Republican Party has made the decision to put most emphasis on security – aggressively ridding our country of illegal immigrants who may not share our American values, stopping terrorists, preventing all forms of treason, to the point of… to the point of gutting our Constitution and restricting our civil liberties, all through atrocious programs that will be funded with increased spending and taxes.
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    Yes, while liberals that want to stop the wars and cut defense will empower the Constitution, enhance Civil Liberties, and decrease spending and taxes. And, btw, stopping the wars will add to our security.
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    Current US politics is funny like that.

  • newfreedomblog

    Rice 1, Couric 0
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    Condeleeza smacks down Katie.
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    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/condoleeza-rice-corrects-katie-couric-on-iraq-war-history/
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    The truth is indeed hard to dispute.

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    Cut spending? Eliminate programs?
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    The EPA would be a damn good start.

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    When some liberal nutbag utters the words “greenhouse gases” punch him/her in the face repeatedly till his/her trap will neither open or shut.

  • kbanginmotown

    This has been another edition of “Talking to Furniture”…

  • kbanginmotown

    I’m sure my hometown Clevelanders would enjoy being able to roast chestnuts over the burning Cuyahoga River again…

  • grape_crush

    James Fallows on the import (or apparent non-import) of Orszag’s move to Citibank.

    “…another category, which I think is even more important, involves things that everyone ‘knows’ but has stopped noticing. This is very similar to what is called ‘Village’ behavior in the big time media.

    An item in this second category has just come up: the decision of Peter Orszag, until recently the director of the Office of Management and Budget under Barack Obama, to join Citibank in a senior position. Exactly how much it will pay is not clear, but informed guesses are several million dollars per year. Citibank, of course, was one of the institutions most notably dependent on federal help to survive in these past two years.[...]

    When we notice similar patterns in other countries — for instance, how many offspring and in-laws of senior Chinese Communist officials have become very, very rich — we are quick to draw conclusions about structural injustices. Americans may not ‘notice’ Orszag-like migrations, in the sense of devoting big news coverage to them. But these stories pile up in the background to create a broad American sense that politics is rigged, and opportunity too.

    Why do we wince a little bit when we now hear ‘Change you can believe in?’ This is an illustration.”

  • newfreedomblog

    Yes Sarah mis-spoke. Kinda like when Obama “was in all 57 States during the election of 2008.
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    Imagine that.

  • kbanginmotown

    Condi’s got the “big lie” down pat:
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    @0:48: “…when you’re dealing with an opaque country that hasn’t had inspections in years….”
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    Here is the IAEA report to the UN Security Council of 7Mar2003 describing 218 inspections of 141 nuclear facilities…
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    http://www.iaea.org/NewsCenter/Statements/2003/ebsp2003n006.shtml
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    You go, Girl!

  • http://gum0nshoe.wordpress.com gumOnShoe

    Might as well have the conversation here since you brought it up here.
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    I in no way think you’re crazy. I think you are a very intelligent young man who truly believes what he posts. What I do believe is that you are young and a little naive. I was probably just as naive as you when I was your age. You will probably grow out of it as I did. Gods is not done with you yet. Keep an open mind and never say never. We don’t know what the future will bring.

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    Glad you don’t think I’m crazy and you believe I’m a man of character. Respectfully, that’s the nicest thing I can say to what you wrote. I don’t believe you’re crazy either, just perhaps, naive, when it comes to certain things. :)
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    Conservatives are not bad people.

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    Of course not. Collectively, to generalize an entire group as “bad” people would be most wrong. Its just that their principles, in general, are well meaning, but not always effective at accomplishing the stated goal; and, worse, Conservative “Leaders” rarely actually practice conservative tenants when running the government. At least, in my lifetime (which is only 20 and a few years), but which does present a problem for Conservatism. If its been 20 years since a “Conservative” leader has practiced conservatism, it begs the question, when will they start?
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    They just believe in a different approach to how to help our citizens and our country than liberals do. Studies have shown that Conservatives give more of the money and their time [volunteers] to help others than liberals do.

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    You know, I’d like to see those studies. But, more to the point, I’d like to see a study on how effective Conservative money and time is at relieving the problems it aimed at. Charity money, oftentimes, is like a wet band aid that doesn’t stick, applied after the damage has been done to alleviate symptoms. Charity, rarely seems to be aimed at changing life conditions, minus the fight against certain diseases.
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    It also might be worth looking at how affluent Conservatives are in comparison to Liberals. I’ve not been able to find a reliable study of this either. And even the income might not be accurate. Liberals are often more educated, which would imply more debt thanks to the lovely cost of education in this country. Even if Liberals make more, they may have more costs simply for being alive and choosing the path they did.
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    And anyhow, your measure of Conservatives being better because of the charity they do, ultimately assumes that Charity is the best way to help people. I think I fundamentally disagree with that point.
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    Most Liberals usually talk a good game, do very little personally and want the government to do the work and provide the money to help others.

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    You know. I found the article that quotes the one study you are probably talking about, and I have to say, you’re making some assumptions based on the data without having any proof. And you’re generalizing quite a bit here when you assume Liberals think government is the best option.
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    Personally, I think a strong organized labor movement that is educated on how their industry works is more preferable to a government organization bent on fixing everything. I think highly educated workers should be the main goal because it is ultimately through understanding that individuals can make informed rational decisions.
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    The real problem with charity is you’re giving out fish, instead of fishing lessons. And so, I often don’t participate in charity, aside from the fact that my means are quite limited (thanks college education).
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    And we’re ignoring regulation here, which conservatives think should be less and Liberals more. And I find the liberal argument to be stronger.
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    And when we talk about balancing the budget, I have to point out that the Republicans have never managed to do that during my life time.
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    The tenants of Conservatism may have points. The leaders of the Republicans are Conservative Only In Name, to borrow a phrase. Even Reagan understood taxes needed to be raised after he lowered them.
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    Conservatives would not do so much volunteer work and give so much of their personal money to help others if they were not good people.

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    I wouldn’t argue they are bad people. I’d argue they are misguided; that they are addressing the symptoms rather than the illness; that they are insular and often fickle with what causes they give their money to; that their judgement of what constitutes a good leader is something to question; and that they haven’t chosen the best path, merely one that works inadequately.
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    When I look at Liberals, they can acknowledge when their leaders are flawed. When I look at conservatives, they are often unable to do so. And at least on the level of accountability I’m more persuaded in a specific direction; even if I know Liberals aren’t putting forward the best people either.
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    Any how, I find your “I’m more experience you’ll turn around too” attitude and argument patronizing and a tad didactic. But I’m sure that’s just who you are.

  • newfreedomblog

    So much for ObamaCare.
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    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101213/ap_on_re_us/us_health_care_overhaul_virginia
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    Federal judge in Va. strikes down health care law

  • 3xfire3

    POLITICO Breaking News
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    A federal judge in Virginia struck down portions of the Obama administration’s health reform law Monday. District Judge Henry Hudson ruled the individual mandate to buy health insurance to be unconstitutional. The case, brought by Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli, is expected to go to the Supreme Court.

    For more information… http://www.politico.com

    Good News for a change.

  • newfreedomblog

    And how many of the inspections were for non-nuclear weapons of mass destruction again? Oh that’s right, NONE.

  • newfreedomblog

    Seems like the Obamao world is falling apart like a stack of cards.
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    Next up……….
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    Obama makes a mad dash to the center in hopes of being re-elected.

  • Art Pepper

    2thirdsrocks: Are you disputing NASA’s data? What did they get wrong?
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    Or is it that you doubt the existence of the greenhouse effect? Do you think scientists are mistaken about the way thermal radiation works?

  • Art Pepper

    2thirdsrocks: So all those economists are just wrong? The deficit won’t go up?

  • Art Pepper

    So now Obama mispoke. That only took 2 years for you to acknowledge.

  • hippooath

    “Yes Sarah mis-spoke. Kinda like when Obama “was in all 57 States” during the election of 2008.”
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    Obama by mistake included all the Kenyan states, while Sarah don’t know squat about the world, as she often demonstrates. But it’s apt tho – you think you find a dummy on our side and we show you a dummy on yours and that is somehow the gold standard of this conversation. Way to go embracing good leadership.

  • http://gum0nshoe.wordpress.com gumOnShoe

    The problem Newf, is not that she misspoke, but that she “misspeaks” consistently.

  • hattusilas

    And now a Virginia court has ruled the health-care mandate is unconstitutional. Assuming the SCOTUS agrees, there goes Obama’s only real accomplishment. Hope? Nope. Change they could deceive with.

  • hippooath

    “And how many of the inspections were for non-nuclear weapons of mass destruction again? Oh that’s right, NONE.”
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    Not to argue the silliness of your statement here, but ponder this; as the rational for the invasion fell apart as there was no WMD’s found a new meme emerged. They were shipped to a different country like Syria.
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    Now we invaded Iraq because we faired what Saddam would do with those ‘weapons’ and perhaps hand them over to terrorists.
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    So all these years later, these so called WMD’s sent to a different nation in the dead of night have not in any way shape and form re-surfaced. In fact you’d think a panicking resolute leader like GWB would quickly invade Syria to follow the trail since we just HAD to go to war to get them. Shouldn’t we’ve seen a terrible WMD strike by now if there was this enormous stockpile of these weapons laying around?

  • hippooath

    “2thirdsrocks: Are you disputing NASA’s data? What did they get wrong?
    .
    Or is it that you doubt the existence of the greenhouse effect? Do you think scientists are mistaken about the way thermal radiation works?”
    .
    It’s cold outside. Cold means end of warm. So there’s no global warming. I mean that’s why we should listen to a author who spent 6 months reading about it and wrote a finction and industry leaders saying ‘keep on burnin’ that sh!t we make money on’.
    .
    Scientists only have a profit motive in mind (with all those grant money) while the industry have our best interest in mind.
    .
    But I digress…it’s cold. Dontcha know?

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    I keep reading the Obama administration believes the Left has no option but to support them, likely because there are no third parties as an alternative. However, the last election clearly showed there is one option millions of them have already picked, staying home. I’m not certain they can keep shoving right-wing policies down their throat, with no consequences. The Left may be better off just letting the right rule and then doing everything they can to obstruct them, so nothing gets done, rather than seeing so-called liberals carry on the Bush policies.

  • 3xfire3

    gumOnShoe,
    .
    Thanks for your reply. I see my perception that you are young has proved true.
    .
    One of the problems I find with youth today is that they do not seem to understand or appreciate the knowledge gained through experience.
    .
    If you look back in history almost all societies had great respect for the knowledge of their elders which had been gained through their long life experiences. That seems to have been lost on many of today’s youth.
    .
    But as I said before God is not done with you.
    .
    The following in the link for “Who Really Cares”
    .
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/conservatives_more_liberal_giv.html

  • kbanginmotown

    To add another perspective to this pleasant discussion:
    .
    I appear to be about twice GumOn’s age and have had the opposite experience. I bought into “compassionate conservatism” at first and voted GOP whenever I could in the 80s and 90s. I was rewarded with the GOP controlling all three branches of government in 2000…
    .
    I’ve also had the honor of helping restore houses and distribute food in Appalachia, Detroit and places in between.
    .
    What I have described above has lead me to re-evaluate my positions and I have come to realize that the private and public sectors must stand together to help our brothers and sisters eat as well as learn to fish.
    .
    For this, I am happy to both volunteer and pay taxes.
    .
    And, since 2000, to vote for politicians who put duty to *all* the people at least on par with fealty to corporations and the few.

  • http://gum0nshoe.wordpress.com gumOnShoe

    gumOnShoe,
    .
    Thanks for your reply. I see my perception that you are young has proved true.
    .
    One of the problems I find with youth today is that they do not seem to understand or appreciate the knowledge gained through experience.
    .
    If you look back in history almost all societies had great respect for the knowledge of their elders which had been gained through their long life experiences. That seems to have been lost on many of today’s youth.
    .
    But as I said before God is not done with you.
    .
    The following in the link for “Who Really Cares”

    ·
    Age: Yeah, I’m young, but its barely a qualification on intelligence. By all measures, I’ve been educated with the most recent facts known to man. You were taught what everyone believed 30 – 40 years ago. And studies have shown that brains “crystallize” overtime, meaning its harder for you to change habits or viewpoints as you are presented with new information, and that it is, in fact, harder for you to learn. By all measures, I’m at the peak point of being able to absorb new information and qualify it, assuming I’ve had a decent education, whereas you, you’re past that. Eventually, I’ll be unable to change my value judgement and I’ll be just as unreliable, basing all of my decisions off of what happened 30 years ago. But I guess that happens to everyone. You have my condolences.
    ·
    The problem with youth: or, we’re part of a new generation with a new religion, one that’s more likely to accept data backed up by experiments done over a massive number of lives and based on observable evidence that’s been picked apart with a fine tooth comb, rather than the conventional wisdom that brought us truths like “throwing salt over you shoulder will keep you safe from bad luck.”
    ·
    “good societies”: I’d argue the best societies were those that took into account the well being over every individual and didn’t try to hold back scientific advancement. But, you know, that’s just my opinion. Maybe it was really that Romans like gay boy love that made them great. How could it be that their children ancestors left that great tradition behind!?!? (sarcasm indicator, for those who would misread this for some idiotic advantage).
    ·
    God is not done with me: Man, whatever. I’m sure you’ll pray to save me if I admit I was raised Jewish here; but, the longer I’m alive the less likely it seems to me that religion is the answer to everything. Even if god did exist, the likelihood that people got it right is minimal; and I’m sure all god is after, if there is a benevolent god that deserves our respect, is that we treat each other with the respect a human deserves, take care of his/her/its creation, take care of each other, and do our best to understand that creation to the best of our ability.
    ·
    • That article. That’s the one I found and read that I found so very persuasive. -_-
    ·
    Response to Kbing:
    ·
    Yeah, I started out feeling like I was a conservative too. Probably because of the culture I grew up around. And I kept trying to convince myself I was. But, the longer I was alive and the more I asked myself what I actually believed in; the more I realized I simply wasn’t Conservative and that I didn’t believe in their leaders. I’ve read endless amounts of literature on my own. Listened to the arguments. Looked at the facts. I’ve tried to argue both ends purely for the experience of which felt more right.
    ·
    In the end, I came out a liberal. And I honestly can’t see myself changing unless I become so bitter that I don’t believe people deserve the same chance at success from birth.

  • np042

    Oh the irony. Seeing as how Obama has gone to the right with things such as the tax cuts “compromise,” I’m sure many people would be happy if he would go back towards the center.

  • http://erieangel.wordpress.com erieangel

    Obama has always been in the center, thats why he said at the beginning of the health care debate there wouldn’t be a public option, much less medicare for all. But he does constantly allow himself to be pulled further and further to the right. The man doesn’t pick fights with anybody except those who fought so hard to get him elected.

  • freeinpa

    “And the expiration of those Bush tax cuts (with the resulting increase in revenue) were intended to help pay for Bush deficit spending.”
    .
    You mean like extending unemployment insurance for over 3 years or the $800 billion + stimulus package or …

    Oh right that was Obama increasing the deficit without paying for it. So we now have 25 straight months of a budget deficit.Hmm that started right around the time Team Donkey took over Congress wasn’t it.

  • freeinpa

    “So are you saying that extending the tax cuts will not increase the deficit?”
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    No spending is the only thing that increases the deficit.
    .
    If you have $1 of revenue and $2 spending you have a deficit.
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    If you increase revenue to $3 then spend $4 you still have a deficit. Come on say it with me SPENDING!

  • hippooath

    “If you look back in history almost all societies had great respect for the knowledge of their elders which had been gained through their long life experiences. That seems to have been lost on many of today’s youth.”
    .
    And most elders didn’t spent most of their time in praise of what should be selfevident.
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    You can’t hide behind your great wisdom like a crutch if the essential message you arrive to using your lifelong experience is ultimately wrong.

  • freeinpa

    “And, btw, stopping the wars will add to our security.”
    .
    This is a bigger lie than anything Bush said about WMD. It is not only naive but pretty stupid. The line every one was sold on Obama is that reaching out to countries would make them like us—sure they do. They are laughing their a$$es off with Obama. Russia, N. Korea, Venezuela see the second coming of Jimmy.

  • hippooath

    “”So are you saying that extending the tax cuts will not increase the deficit?”
    .
    No spending is the only thing that increases the deficit.
    .
    If you have $1 of revenue and $2 spending you have a deficit.
    .
    If you increase revenue to $3 then spend $4 you still have a deficit. Come on say it with me SPENDING!”
    .
    Okay. You have 2 bucks and spend 2 bucks. Next time you have 1 buck, borrows 1 buck and spend 2 bucks.
    So what is it, longterm spending because you took out a loan to cover for the shortfall in revenue, or is it shortterm revenue that you have to payback in the long run?
    .
    Splitting hair aside – if spending remains the same and you artificially lower revenue how can this not impact deficite?

  • freeinpa

    Gee didn’t Michael Duffy if Time just say that the liberal agenda of “centrist” Obama is over and that he was forced to leave it because it didn’t help the economy.
    .
    Every now and then the truth from liberals slips out

    CHRIS MATTHEWS, HOST: Michael, I haven’t seen him like this, eyes wide open addressing his critics head on.

    MICHAEL DUFFY, TIME: Pointing the finger…

    MATTHEWS: Yeah.

    DUFFY: …in case you missed the point. There’s no question that the sort of liberal part of the Obama presidency is probably over. He is moving into a totally different phase here, but he’s doing it because he has to. Unemployment numbers were rising again. His popularity was beginning to dip into the low forties. So he cuts this dramatic deal with Republicans on a tax cut, he gets a much bigger second stimulus, bigger than the first stimulus that he did with the Democrats.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    I don’t think it is global warming that we should doubt, it is the existence of thermometers.
    .
    Does anybody know if this new “technology” known as “thermometers” really means anything of if the “invention” of this so-called temperature detector is not just a part of the global liberal communist fascist conspiracy?
    .
    You have to wonder if these things really detect temperature and are added up worldwide or if Al Gore is using a remote control device to alter them up and down to fool us all so that he could become a movie star.
    .
    It makes you wonder.

  • hippooath

    “This is a bigger lie than anything Bush said about WMD. It is not only naive but pretty stupid. The line every one was sold on Obama is that reaching out to countries would make them like us—sure they do. They are laughing their a$$es off with Obama. Russia, N. Korea, Venezuela see the second coming of Jimmy.”
    .
    How many bombs made by fanatics in India, Pakistan, African colonies and even America exploded in England after they withdrew from those areas?
    .
    How many Vietnamese bombs exploded in USA after we left there?
    .
    The argument boils down to if we want to look like we lost or not. There’s no historical evidence that you continue to get attacked after something ends.

    You’re mistaking security with not wanting to look like you got your @ss handed to you by a bunch of radicals.
    .
    Are we willing to keep on wasting billions while our infrastructure falls apart and our finest dies without a end to it?
    .
    Just so you can go on pretending that we’re invincible and you don’t want to lose face.

  • freeinpa

    But most of the time they are just lying sacks of crap like Robert Reich in is Huffy Post fairy tale. Maybe what he meant to say is he inherited a growing economy from Bush Sr. (despite Clinton’s campaign lies about it) and left Bush II a recession.

    But the analogy falls apart as soon as you realize Clinton’s economy was vastly different from Obama’s. The recession Clinton inherited was relatively small, and caused by the Fed raising interest rates too high to ward off inflation. So it could be reversed by the Fed lowering interest rates — as the Fed did in 1994.
    .
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-reich/why-bill-clintons-favorab_b_795405.html

  • freeinpa

    From Inside Washington- Mark Shields. Another nugget of truth—liberal scare nothing about the poor or the economy (other than to get elected). It just about punishing the rich, raising taxes and spending money!

    MARK SHIELDS: You don’t, you don’t give up on inheritance tax and on the tax for the rich which have been the defining domestic point of his agenda when he ran for President.”

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    I can just imagine this, freeinpa with wife.
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    Wife: Freep, you’ve got to stop spending all day on Swampland. We’re using our credit cards to get by while you’re not earning any money.
    .
    Freep: Wife, we have to put all of those things on credit cards because you keep on spending money on these things like food, and electricity. If you stopped spending money, we wouldn’t have any debt.
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    Wife: So we should stop buying food?
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    Freep: We should stop all of that spending stuff. Leave me alone that I am not bringing in an income.
    .
    Hence, Republican economics brought home: income does not matter, but using your imagination and pretending that you can survive without spending money is what matters. If you ignore reality long enough, it will go away.

  • freeinpa

    “Seeing as how Obama has gone to the right with things such as the tax cuts “compromise,” I’m sure many people would be happy if he would go back towards the center.”
    .
    Uh the tax cuts compromise IS his move to the center!

  • freeinpa

    “Here is the IAEA report to the UN Security Council”
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    Is this the same UN that named China and Libya to the Human Rights Council?

    .
    Seems liberal gullibility has turned into out and out stupidity

  • pintortwo

    You mean like extending unemployment insurance for over 3 years or the $800 billion + stimulus package
    .
    Proposed Stim II breakdown:
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    $55 billion to expend unemployment benefits
    $845 billion in tax cuts
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    Link

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    The Charity argument is a weak one.
    .
    “The statistics say that religious Americans give four times as much money to charity each year than secular people, and are 23 times more likely to volunteer to help people than folks who never attend church. And here’s another crushing stat: If liberals donated blood at the rate conservatives do, the nation’s blood supply would rise 45%”.
    .
    http://talkingpoints.wordpress.com/2006/12/01/conservative-vs-liberal-charity-donations/
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    If you said religious vs non-religious, you win.
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    “According to Google’s figures, if donations to all religious organizations are excluded, liberals give slightly more to charity than conservatives do….In any case, if conservative donations often end up building extravagant churches, liberal donations frequently sustain art museums, symphonies, schools and universities that cater to the well-off. (It’s great to support the arts and education, but they’re not the same as charity for the needy. And some research suggests that donations to education actually increase inequality because they go mostly to elite institutions attended by the wealthy.)”
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    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/opinion/21kristof.html?em
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    As somebody who was raised Catholic and attended church weekly until my mid 20s, I can tell you why non-religious people give less: Churches are amazing places to market worthy charities while spending that same hour inside my home, out for coffee or some other activity does not give us the pitch for worthy causes the way a church does.
    .
    I know that there are organizations for atheists, but, to me, that is like belonging to an organization that agrees that there are no such thing as alien visitations to earth. There are a million types of UFO nuts, but only one, uninteresting explanation as to a lack of alien visitation to earth (as I do not believe aliens have been to earth – they are too far away – but, technically can say that I believe that there are flying objects I can not identify, but, I can’t identify a even a F-16, so that doesn’t count) there are a huge number of potentially fascinating beliefs who this deity is, but one, very uninteresting theory as to no deity being there at all.
    .
    The NYT articles goes on to say that outside of religion, liberals do give slightly more, non-religious conservatives give the very least while religious liberals, if it is not nailed down they will give it away (see Jimmy Carter as an example).
    .
    If you intend to say that you don’t rejoice at the sight of a poor person losing their home, I grew up in a family where all but one of the people on both sides of my family one generation older were and are conservative Republicans and all of the people born after 1950 are all liberal Democrats. Of course you don’t have horns on your head. You just compartmentalize your compassion for those you see in person or hear about in church and care about them, but, when you hear those same people spoken of by a Democrat, imagine somebody unworthy.

  • np042

    Gee, Free, it’s so nice that you included a link with your post rather than a quote that is (likely) out of context. Personally, I’d really like to know how you inferred that as well, but I’m sure it’s mostly gibberish.

  • pintortwo

    This (stopping the wars will add to our security) is a bigger lie than anything Bush said about WMD. It is not only naive but pretty stupid.

    One of the most recent reports, of many, suggesting what I said is accurate:
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    The 69-page NBER (nonprofit National Bureau of Economic Research) study analyzed 4,000 civilian casualties and 25,000 clashes between U.S.-led forces and insurgents over the 15 months ending April 1. The pattern it detected was that civilian casualties caused by U.S. and NATO actions “are associated with a substantively and statistically large increase in attacks” by the Taliban and other Afghan militants. The average civilian-casualty event caused by the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) killed or wounded two Afghans. According to the analysis, districts in which such an episode occurred averaged six more violent clashes over the following six weeks than did otherwise similar areas that were spared civilian casualties. “The data are consistent with the claim that civilian casualties are affecting future violence through increased recruitment into insurgent groups after a civilian-casualty incident,” the Air Force–funded report says. “Local exposure to violence from ISAF appears to be the primary driver of this effect.” -link
    .
    There are many reports, conducted during this and the previous administration, that all say the same.

  • hippooath

    “Is this the same UN that named China and Libya to the Human Rights Council?
    .
    Seems liberal gullibility has turned into out and out stupidity”
    .
    So the documented information is not enough because another part of UN allows questionable nations into a council?
    .
    Okay – lay out the information you have that proves that Hans Blix team hid any facts regarding Iraqi WMD. Should be easy.

  • freeinpa

    “Splitting hair aside – if spending remains the same and you artificially lower revenue how can this not impact deficite?”
    .
    In the real world (not liberal fantasy land, one would cut spending, that’s the conclusion responsible folks would come to over the long term and not raising taxes while still raising spending.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Rusty,
    .
    If Obama is a communist, then, clearly, North Korea would become our ally.
    .
    If you acknowledge the simple and obvious fact that liberal and conservative are just subsets of the ideology of democracy, then what are you trying to say?
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    Are you trying to say that if Bush were in the White House North Korea would stop it’s nuclear (or new cue lar) program?
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    If you are trying to say that, you are totally incorrect.
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    Nobody who believes in democracy nor in being blown to pieces by nuclear weapons likes North Korea arming itself. It is just bad news unrelated to who is in the White House.
    .
    It is somewhat related to who occupies the Blue House (the residence of the President of South Korea) but far more to the madness of the North Korean dictator.

  • freeinpa

    “Freep: We should stop all of that spending stuff. Leave me alone that I am not bringing in an income.”
    .
    Solution Democratic economics: Hey I get 99+weeks of unemployment insurance. I can be a worthless burden to society… Oh that’s right that Rev Jim not me!

  • np042

    I’ll add a third perspective into this discussion. I believe I am about gum’s age and have come to roughly the same conclusion. I’ll admit, I don’t have thirty+ years of experience. However, I have experienced the last decade. I initially thought I was conservative, but have strayed more and more left as I have explored the world and politics more.
    .
    Personally, I’m not a fan of either party. I find both parties despicable as neither truly care for the American people and only about those with money. However, one party at least tries to do something as opposed to the other that blatantly belies its servitude to the rich and corporations. I have nothing against the rich, (I hope to be one of them one day afterall!) however I grew up to believe this was a government for the people, by the people, and catering to the whims of the top 2% and corporations that is not.
    .
    However, what annoys me the most is the spread of disinformation or outright lies. The dumbing down of the population, the celebration of ignorance, et al are all things that drive me straight away from the modern conservative movement. (See rdw’s post in another thread where he lopped academia in with things that were bad for the country)
    .
    I’ve seen what got the country to where we are today, and I certainly don’t want to go back to some of those principles. To discount someone’s viewpoints or argument because they are young is idiotic at best. As gum (I believe) put it nicely, were much more apt to change out views based on observations than someone much older is.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Solution Democratic economics: Hey I get 99+weeks of unemployment insurance. I can be a worthless burden to society…”
    .
    Being a burden to society and a plague to Swampland may be your personal fantasy, but, as I said before, you are a freak in pa.
    .
    Normal human beings hate being out of work and are eager to find work.
    .
    Get out of your basement someday and meet normal human beings.

  • freeinpa

    “How many bombs made by fanatics in India, Pakistan, African colonies and even America exploded in England after they withdrew from those areas?
    .
    How many Vietnamese bombs exploded in USA after we left there”
    .
    Your comparison of these countries to today’s terrorists shows once again why you are stupid!

  • pintortwo

    ..or if you like you can read Rand’s report analyzing “a data set of all terrorist groups between 1968 and 2006″ giving empirical evidence of the ineffectiveness of military action to end terror and terror groups:
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    http://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB9351/index1.html
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    ..they recommend to
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    Minimize the use of U.S. military force. In most operations against al Qa’ida, local military forces frequently have more legitimacy to operate and a better understanding of the operating environment than U.S. forces have. This means a light U.S. military footprint or none at all.
    .
    ..or you can simply acknowledge that perpetrators of the most recent attempts at terror on US soil (the “underwear bomber”, failed Times Square car-bomber, etc) claim missile attacks in Af/Pak as their inspiration.

  • pintortwo

    .. although I do appreciate that you admit Bush lied about WMDs. Baby steps…

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Uh the tax cuts compromise IS his move to the center!”
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    The center?
    .
    As in what is 50/50, right between the two sides?
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    “Only 26 percent of Americans support the GOP’s proposal to extend the cuts for all Americans and 14 percent say the cuts should expire completely. The poll suggests that the Democratic-led House voted in alignment with the American people yesterday when it voted to extend cuts for those below the $200,000/$250,000 threshold.”
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    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2010/12/poll-americans-side-with-democrats-on-bush-tax-cuts/67455/
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    Taking a position held only by the most conservative 26% of Americans is a shift to the right.
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    Freak foiled by fact again.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “The Great Recession has been far larger, caused not by the Fed raising interest rates but by the bursting of a giant housing bubble. In 2008, the biggest asset of most middle-class people, upon which they borrowed and that they assumed would be their nest eggs for retirement, collapsed. Housing prices continue to fall in most parts of the country. The Fed has lowered interest rates all it can, and unemployment remains sky high.”
    .
    So, in other words, Obama inherited a nightmare from GWB while Clinton only inherited a headache from Bush Sr.
    .
    And you use the Huffington Post?
    .
    Are you switching parties here or are you losing track of what you are arguing for?

  • hippooath

    “In the real world (not liberal fantasy land, one would cut spending, that’s the conclusion responsible folks would come to over the long term and not raising taxes while still raising spending.”
    .
    So if liberals live in fantasy land and not in reality, why do you and others refuse to provide any solid numbers and solutions on how this can be accomplished?
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    Why not 10 percent? If it’s that easy we should be able to lower taxes to almost zero and have unlimited freedom to spend.
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    I’m all for any reasonable solutions that allows us to keep as much of our money as possible and this country the best most prosperous as possible.
    .
    So if that is the case I’m sure you can easily provide the framework for how you accomplish this.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    I’m in moderation for citing Charles Krauthammer?
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    All I did was comment on where Freakinpa got his information.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Vote honest men and women who will do what is right in Washington. That solves all the problems.”
    .
    Yeah, where’s Harry Truman when you need him?
    .
    Okay, then we’ll have to make do with Obama.

  • hippooath

    “Your comparison of these countries to today’s terrorists shows once again why you are stupid!”
    .
    You’re right. Todays fanatics and radicals are supremely more dangerous that other fanatics who took on and defeated empires.
    .
    Other than calling me stupid – do you have anything that proves me wrong?

  • 3xfire3

    gumOnShoe,
    .
    Too bad. It appears you have been totally brainwashed at your young age. You have chosen the dead end theology of the Liberal/Progressive movement of this world and you will experience their failures and rejection by the vast majority of Americans.
    .
    Liberalism is failing all over Europe one country at a time. You have attached your star to a failed political system.
    .
    Your arguments about experience boarders on comedy. You at your young age think you have more wisdom then a college professor with a PhD and 30 years of teaching experience or a scientist with 40 years of experience on research and development. How about a CEO of a Corporation with 40 years of management experience and continuing education who has served of the Board of Directors of a Hospital, Bank, Colleges and a variety of other organizations and has traveled extensively around the world.
    .
    You my young friend have shown your near total ignorance of the Real World. That’s probably the reason you have chosen to be a Liberal. As a Liberal there is no realism, logic, Common sense or a requirement for an open mind. Ignorance is bliss.

  • pintortwo

    Confirms my comments past: Obama (and the Dems) never pursued the liberal solutions demanded by those that elected him (them), meanwhile, corporate media blames the on-going mess on liberalism.

  • http://gum0nshoe.wordpress.com gumOnShoe

    Too bad. It appears you have been totally brainwashed at your young age. You have chosen the dead end theology of the Liberal/Progressive movement of this world and you will experience their failures and rejection by the vast majority of Americans.
    .
    Liberalism is failing all over Europe one country at a time. You have attached your star to a failed political system.
    .
    Your arguments about experience boarders on comedy. You at your young age think you have more wisdom then a college professor with a PhD and 30 years of teaching experience or a scientist with 40 years of experience on research and development. How about a CEO of a Corporation with 40 years of management experience and continuing education who has served of the Board of Directors of a Hospital, Bank, Colleges and a variety of other organizations and has traveled extensively around the world.
    .
    You my young friend have shown your near total ignorance of the Real World. That’s probably the reason you have chosen to be a Liberal. As a Liberal there is no realism, logic, Common sense or a requirement for an open mind. Ignorance is bliss.

    .
    No logic? Do you know what a fallacious argument even is?
    .
    • Paragraph 1: Appeal to majority. Apparently you think “majority” rules equals truth. This is logic 101. The only way to justify a theory is with a proof. Simple thought experiment. The whole group: 20. 15 people think the sky is red. 5 people think the sky is green. It is possible to select a smaller group of 6 people where 5 people think it is green and only 1 thinks it is red. Meanwhile, the sky could be blue. Group selection is fickle. Truth values can’t be determined by quantity of support.
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    • “Failed Political system” whereas the only democratic republic, America, is so grid locked it can’t accomplish anything and is going steeply into debt. See how easy that is? Capitalism fails, lol. Another fallacious argument… lacking any proof.
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    • You are a PHD, a college professor, and a CEO? Or are you referring to your conservative gang that comments here? Did you know, I’m a woman? Its on the internet. It must be true. I can’t lie. Here are some pics of me: pics
    .
    • We’re not friends. You’re a grumpy old man steeped in religion who deigns to lecture me on the internet. Take your holier than thou attitude and shove it up your @ss. Or go watch some internet porn. I don’t really care. Anything would be a better waste of your time.

  • 3xfire3

    gumOnShoe,
    .
    As I said, you are hopeless.
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    Bye bye
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    PS: Don’t forget about your afternoon nap.

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