Tonight’s 60 Minutes Today: John Boehner, Man In The Arena

He’s your peer, Micheal.
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Give Beeny a big hug, why doncha…

The boner is into right wing double speak.
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(If he is so all American, why doesn’t he either change his German name to the American spelling of Baynor or pronounce his name like it is an English word, boner? No street signs in Spanish – then, fine, no pronouncing his name in German, either.)
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It’s just like how he and the Tea Party together plan to keep all of the programs everybody needs, cut taxes and cut the deficit.
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Here is where the boner learned math:
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ahh.. so the word “compromise” has a become a political third rail.

Wow, that explains a lot.

“I am not going to compromise on my principles?”
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Rob the poor and give to the wealthy?
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Balance the deficit?
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Bankrupt the country?
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What?

Translation:

My main goal is to do everything I can possibly do to ensure that Obama will not win reelction, thereby appeasing my GOP/corporate masters. Period. The economic well being of this country and actual good governance don’t even break the top 10. I got mine, the 95% of the peons out there can just eff off.

he won’t compromise his integrity – others are going to compromise theirs and that’s how you meet an agreement.

Kudos to Michael for having the courage to post a thread on Boehner, even if it is a link to a softball interview. I was beginning to think there was a total blackout on any thought of making the Republicans responsible for holding the business of the nation hostage, to the interests of 30,000 or 40,000 wealthy families.

Let’s hope they also shine a light on the nation’s major speed bump, who resides in the place where progress goes to die, the Senate.
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It is very important for Republicans and Obama, to explain why rational fiscal policy has been sacrificed on the mantle of greed.

I hope a thread on the Republicans doesn’t get Michael in trouble.

Boozing Boehner knew how to grease palms to get where he is. He even had the audicity to pass out checks from tobacco PACs on the House floor. His forty closest friends are lobbyist who wine and dine him at various Washington restaurants. They spent over $100,000 to fly him around on private jets during the election cycle. Heck, the bartenders know him so well that he can just give a signal to note how strong he wants his drinks.
The obstructionists team of McConnell, Boehner and Cantor have an extraordinary talent in being able to lie and deceive while appearing to be on the average American’s side. Apparently, it works!
The next two years will be very interesting. People should take note that the Tea Party candidates who opposed lobbyist in their pre-election speeches are now hiring lobbyist. While they are against public funding of healthcare — they cannot wait to be included in the extremely generous Congressional insurance program — funded by? You guessed it. The American taxpaper. Hypocrits…..

“He also takes the opportunity to make clear that he is ready to deal with President Obama”
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And to support that assertion you excerpt a part where Boehner shows that he is afraid to even use the word compromise?

Patrick, that’s funny b/c my instant reaction was Abbott & Costello’s “Who’s on first?” Ah, delightful memories from my childhood, a B&W TV with 10 channels, Saturday afternoons in stitches. I think I need to put a few A&C flicks in my video queue, if they’re available here.

That is funny, patrick. The sad part is that while the bone is being put to the American middle class, almost half of them seem to agree with it, so we could say it’s all consensual.

What a bunch of Hog Wash from all you Lefties.
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Questioning why his family pronounces their name the way they do and trying to put a negative spin on it. Real dumb.
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He prefers to use the term “find common ground” with the Presidents and the Democrats rather then use the term “compromise”. If Obama used the term find common ground instead of compromise you wouldn’t think a thing about it, but let Boehner use the term and you all pile on like a bunch Ideologues reading all kinds of negative things into the statement.
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What the hell do you think finding common ground means? It just a less controversial way of saying compromise.
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You all need to engage your brains before you make such irrational partisan comments.
Debate the real issues. Don’t make up phony ones.

“It just a less controversial way of saying compromise.”
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You are quickly becoming one of my favorites.

You apparently missed the connection, but the name pronunciation thing was simply a lefty, socialist, commie, fascist attempt to find middle ground on the right wing English only fixation.

Ah, the infinite wisdom(?) of the democratic party. Still seething over the results of mid term elections, the party’s left wing is insisting on driving a damaged vehicle off the cliff instead of repairing it. You would think a lesson was learned, but never underestimate the willingness of die hard liberals to fixate on unachievable goals. The American people clearly illustrated (to most of us) that it remains center/right and is insisting elected officials, govern accordingly. Obama calls the left sanctimonious (and perhaps a little stupid) and for at least once in his two year tenure, he is absolutely correct.

It was cute, just now, watching a commercial for tonight’s episode.
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I’ll give the incoming speaker this much, he bawls like pro.

It all depends on the meaning of “is”. lol

BOEHNER just tried to explained semantics. lol

God, and so much of politics is semantics. This is just another take of one of the eternal chapters of the Tragic Comity called life.

Thanks for the posting the exchange and giving me a laugh. Dark mirth is what gets me through the night.

“Ah, the infinite wisdom(?) of the democratic party. Still seething over the results of mid term elections, the party’s left wing is insisting on driving a damaged vehicle off the cliff instead of repairing it. ”
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Yes – back in 2008 all I read was about the need to compromise despite a ‘mandate’ for Obamas agenda. Now suddently its a clear message from people not too. Ideologues have such a hard time marry their talking points with reality.
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If only people could make up their mind?
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I’m sure you and 3x will agree that if Democrats regain ground in 2012 and Obama is relected that it’s a-okay for the democrats to ram through their agenda since the ‘people have spoken’.
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But as you seem to note earl, die hard liberals and their fixation on impossible goals but hurray for someone like the incoming speakers inability to explain ‘compromise’ – something he and the rest of the righties were whining and screaming about for 2 years.

The Krug has an awesome post up about “Orwellian Centrism”

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/12/12/orwellian-centrism/?src=twt&twt=NytimesKrugman

Thanks Patrick. Abbott and Costello were my Dad’s favorites. Spent lots of time in movie theaters watching them when I was a kid.

jcapan: I had bookmarked the Krugman article to post later. Glad you did it. It is typical of the WaPo and Milbank to interpret and push the myths that fit their world view.

3X,
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What kind of a patriot are you if you call him by a German name?
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I bet you call hot dogs frankfurters and burgers hamburgers with your freedom fries!
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If we keep on doing this, the Germans will win!
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I don’t mean World War II. That ended a long time ago. I mean if America keeps on reaching out and copying things we learned from abroad we would all be driving cars the quality of Mercedes, have unionized jobs for all Americans and single payer health care the way they do in Germany.
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Now it is your patriotic duty to not watch soccer, call them hot dogs, burgers and freedom fries, deny the American people the unionization which has brought a strong, stable middle class to many countries such as Canada and Germany (and don’t watch any of those damn Canadian Hockey games or, before you know it, your grandchildren will be ending their sentences with the sound “ay”) and single payer health care keeping us as healthy as the rest of the developed world.
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So, 3X, in our patriotism,let’s all agree – not compromise, but find common ground – in saying that the Republican Party doesn’t think with it’s head, but it is led by a tall, stout boner!
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Damn, 3X, do I have to teach you how to make random and meaningless right wing talking points myself?

The American people clearly illustrated (to most of us) that it remains center/right and is insisting elected officials, govern accordingly.
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Not at all Earl. What is happening clearly illustrates one thing: the power of corporations. They had been able to dissuade the new president and democrat majority from pursuing their appointed tasks. Tasks which are considered “liberal”: provide a public option, end the wars, invest in jobs programs. Through lobby influence, re-election donations, commercials and use of friendly media, corporations have been able to stop the people’s liberal agenda, to deny them what they voted for- liberal solutions to our problems- and to then blame not only the failure to fix the problems, but the problems themselves, on liberalism. Very powerful stuff.

I agree, Mr Boehner. I too think (NOISE) makes more sense.

Great show, what a fabulous life story. He met his wife picking up her garbage. One of the many jobs he had working his way through school. 1 of 12 kids in a one bathroom house. Very, Very different personality than Newt.

OK, we are watching 60 mins now and my husband thinks there is something wrong with the guy. The crying over everything creeps him and both my sons out. My son, who is in 6th grade and going to Kealing Magnet just said if this guy wants to help children in regards to education then he needs to stop crying and start investing by modeling American schools like Austin Texas Kealing Magnet and get involved with S.T.E.M. like Al Gore. My son found the crying creepy. Like some drunk clown, is what my 11 year old thought! lol

He said Ted Kennedy was a great friend. My guess is that he was a drinking buddy. I think my 11 year old son nailed it. Mr Boehner is a blubbering drunk. Some people get real emotional and weepy when they drink.

Politicians should not be allowed to use the phrase the will of the American people.”

Considering that “the American people” are not a Borg-like entity that speak unanimously with one voice, no politician or party can be said to be representing our diverse will.

lilaland
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“I think my 11 year old son nailed it. Mr Boehner is a blubbering drunk”.
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I feel sorry for your son to have parents that would brainwash him at his young age. You should be ashamed of yourself.
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Boehner will be 10 times better of a Speaker than Dirty Harry ever was. He has lived the American dream from poor to successful. He did it on his own. Something that few Liberals have done or would understand.
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Liberals love to make “entitlement slaves” out of the poor to further their political goals. Conservatives want to use common sense solutions to help the poor out of their Liberal slavery.

I know the script is male Democratic politicians are feminine but….sheesh.
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Why does Boehner feel the need to make everyone know he is such a weeper?
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Certainly makes me happier that Rep Pelosi is still leading the Democrats in the House, there needs to be some amount of strength in the House.

“Boehner will be 10 times better of a Speaker than Dirty Harry ever was”
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You do understand that Boehner is in the House and “Dirty Harry” still leads the Senate, right?
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To repeat myself-You are quickly becoming one of my favorites.

You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile.

But, if Boehner is a Kennedy democrat who bought into Reagonomics then i think that democrats can find many things to work with him on. We can bring the rum spiked slurpees and work out a deal on education reform.. like S.T.E.M. and modeling more schools after Austin Texas magnet program. The world culture/social studies program is amazing. There is not a single subject covered in that school that my 11 year old son could not crush Sarah Palin in regards to test scores and in-depth subject awareness. I’m serious. He would kick her a$$ on every test given in his classes and he is 11. That is what an excellent education provides our youth.

jc46202,
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You obviously missed the point Boehner was making.
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The statement “The Will of the American people” refers to doing what the “Majority of the American People Want Done”
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November 2 showed that the Majority of the American people rejected Liberal/Progressive policies and wanted to give the Republicans an opportunity to lead the Congress and influence the policies of the President.
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I know that few Liberal/Progressives understood the message the American people were sending them,
but that’s what their votes said.
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Now stop trying to make a mountain out of an anthill and go do something productive like volunteering to help the needed in your community.

“go do something productive like volunteering to help the needed in your community.”
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The needed-You are on fire!

Paul,
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I meant the “Wicked Witch of the West. They are so much alike it’s sometimes hard to tell them apart.

Exactly where was all the call for compromise the last two years? Where were the reporters asking Nancy “the unhinged” about compromise? How many times did we hear anything about compromise from that guy that goes to Christmas parties while Clinton acts like president?
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To quote the democrats: F the president, NO we can’t, just say no.
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That’s the type of compromise the democrats want, and it’s what they deserve.

You are such a Partisan/Ideologue it’s almost ridiculous.

3x, the far left doesn’t believe in democracy. They want power and control at any price. So, it’s futile trying to explain anything logical or anything about the fact that they just had their head handed to them. They will just bang their heads harder on the floor and scream.

And the truth shall set us Free.
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Conservatives only that is.
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Liberals don’t like the truth unless they made it up.

Wow, this is a bizarre string of thread

“He has lived the American dream from poor to successful. He did it on his own. Something that few Liberals have done or would understand.”
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Excuse me? That is a gross generalization. How can you say that liberals, who are more or less fighting for lower and middle class Americans, don’t understand what it means to be self-made or to have grown up poor? On the contrary, common sense would dictate that more liberals fight for the poor for the exact reason that they are self made, having come from humble beginnings.
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“Liberals love to make “entitlement slaves” out of the poor to further their political goals. Conservatives want to use common sense solutions to help the poor out of their Liberal slavery.”
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Common sense solutions? Like giving the wealthy tax cuts that only get 34 cents on the dollar of stimulus? That of course, stands in contrast to the $1.60-$2.00 (depending on where on the country it’s going) of economic activity you get from giving unemployment benefits. That’s a common sense solution… and one that speaks to my earlier point – liberals are fighting for the downtrodden in this country!
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You might call us ideologues, 3X, and to a certain extent it is true, but try looking the mirror sometime you old self-important fart.

“3x, the far left doesn’t believe in democracy. They want power and control at any price. So, it’s futile trying to explain anything logical or anything about the fact that they just had their head handed to them. They will just bang their heads harder on the floor and scream.”
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Because I’m sure you felt sooooo differently in 2008.
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Not that I believed liberals necessarily had a solid mandate in 2008. I just think this is mostly a referendum on the economy and it’s performance. So I think partisans would do well and not claim that they speak for the American People… they speak for themselves, that is all.

Health Care was a compromise… if it were truly a liberal piece of legislation it would have included a Public Option. Get a clue!

And FYI just in case you didn’t read the topic of the thread, Boehner essentially hasn’t changed his position since 2008, which is to not compromise.
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The transcript reads as if finding common ground intellectually is okay, but to act on it? Hold on fella, that’s just a step too far!

Wow with 14 people using one bathroom, he must have been able to really hold it in.
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No wonder why, to this day he is so full of crap.

Boehner wasn’t the only fat cat tearing up on 60 min. tonight. In a later feature Jimmy Jones did the same. In both instances, it is when they are talking about themselves, their struggles, their achievements, how important that all is, but given their history of callousness and uncaring attitude toward others, I can’t sympathize.

Yeah, those self made Republicans like GWB who, after running the first three of his father’s companies into the ground manged to make some money with a baseball team.
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That uber rich widdow Virginia Kelly Clinton who raised Bill with a stepfather in the luxury of being owner of a small general store.
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Bush Sr, with his William F Buckley style mannerisms, like his son after him, starting in his late teens, whenever he needed money he had to call the stock broker who managed his trust fund all by himself without mommy or daddy dialing the phone for him.
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Ronald Reagan, after getting Cs in college fell right into work in roles in Hollywood… Why don’t we all just show up and get huge paying roles in movies. It isn’t at all luck! There’s no such thing as an unemployed actor, is there?
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Then there was Lyndon Johnson…..
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Long story short, except for Nixon, Eisenhower and Hoover, there haven’t been any self made Republican presidents in the 20th or, so far, in the 20th century and, except for Kennedy, there hasn’t been a Democratic president who has not been self made.
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Just as enlisted men have never been comfortable with a 90 day wonder who was never an enlisted man, it is hard to trust most of these Republicans with their trust funds telling us how easy it is to raise up the latter and laughable when Republicans call Democrats “elitists”.

It’s that stench again.
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It’s the pot calling the kettle black.
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3X, you support absolutely everything Fox News, conservative websites and AM talk radio tells you to believe.
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Just admit that you hate every politician who’s name has a D after it and love every politician who has an R after his name.

“it’s sometimes hard to tell them apart”
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Really? Male, female? Senate, House?
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You are quickly becoming one of my favorites.

Snowed in. So very bored.

Obama even invited Republicans to the White House to try and get at least one vote from them for HCR.
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He got the shaft.
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Blue Dogs who turned their back on the 2008 mandate for national health care were unable to differentiate themselves from the Republicans they mimicked and got the shaft in 2010 – good! They deserved losing office if they promised to be Democrats but voted like Republicans (it’s too bad they didn’t lose in the primaries to real Democrats instead).
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From,2002 to 2006 Democrats were out of everything and the Republicans got absolutely everything they wanted on their Christmas lists. Unfortunately that list involved Abbot and Costello Math to cut taxes, maintain popular and needed services, begin a new war and cut taxes while the deficit would disappear by magic and failed economics of Herbert Hoover which dove us into the financial meltdown.
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By contrast, our Health Care Reform ended up being the same one proposed by Bob Dole and, before him, Richard Nixon since it got pulled so far away from what the people wanted.
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We have 77 Million Democrats and 55 Million Republicans. For the 42 million who were independents who lost their jobs and did not get rehired, they voted against the party which didn’t have a successful stimulus without taking into account that the stimulus was a compromise with the Republicans. This election was about what happens when you stand in the middle of the road: you get run over just like a dead dog. And the middle of the road blue dogs are dead dogs now.

Patrick,

you have a hard heart. This is a nice man and that’s what the people watching saw. Unusual puff piece for this show.

“You are such a Partisan/Ideologue it’s almost ridiculous.”
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So ironic. I’ve never seen you think outside the bun. Always the mangled talking points when facts and reality smacks you in the face like a monthy python fish fight scene.
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You, with the rest of the partisans, not one single original thought outside the meme script calls us ideologues. Precious and ironic indeed.

They’re emotional about their background but frack people who can’t pay them to move legislation. Like your average voter.

For the record, they don’t have single-payer health care in Germany.
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They have a better system than ours, though, and it isn’t at all the result of applied market fundamentalist principles.

Patty, Obama got the shaft? Are you kidding? Obama got what he wanted. The Democrats controlled BOTH the House and the Senate. Moron. The American people got the shaft and continue to get the spear of Kenya from the great re-distributor. F the president. NO we can’t.
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I just love repeating the Democrats lingo.
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How about you?

Hmm, Bizarre. Coming from you that is bizarre.

“If only Boehner wept as copiously for the poor and the sick as he does when confessing his own greatness.”

~Roger Ebert

Say, Stuart Zechman, are you the Stabbing Westward guitarist? If so, nice work. Fellow guitarist here.

Meltdown,
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Obama proposed a public option.
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This was the only thing in the bill which was different than the Bob Dole plan.
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None of the voters wanted anything except the public option.
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So, Blue Dogs and making failed attempts to get at least one Republican vote stuffed the bill with all of these things about private insurance remaining the norm until the actual balls of the bill, the public option, was removed.
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Republicans got exactly what they wanted because Democrats in congress are afraid of the big campaign chests of the very wealthiest being used to hand everything over to the Republicans. Despite castrating the bill, the Republicans still won.
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Morale of the story: chose yes or not, don’t compromise bills with Republicans and expect to win.
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If you were not living in a cave or only watching right wing media, maybe you didn’t watch the bill getting castrated as Obama begged shamelessly for even one Republican vote.
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The same thing happened with the stimulus package. The blue dogs and Obama’s begs for Republican approval convinced him to castrate that as well.
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FDR didn’t give a flying duck about winning Republican votes. That’s why the New Deal worked and this didn’t.

“…you have a hard heart.”
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I have a hard heart?
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John Boehner was pushing to cut off unemployment benefits to those who can not find work so that the next family of 14 will have no home to use the toilet in at all.
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He is locking the door to success behind him and you say that I, not he, has a hard heart?
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You’ve got to be shtting me.

I don’t own a TV, so, I just saw the interview now.

I’ve never seen any man cry so much.

He acts like he belongs in a mental institution.

Maybe, deep down, he is thinking that the next family of 14 will be homeless without social security or any hope after his legislation is passed and is crying for his victims the way a repentant criminal does. He is just crying before he succeeds in screwing over the poor more and more.

“are you the Stabbing Westward guitarist?”
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Yes, that’s me.
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Thanks for the compliment, I’m glad you enjoyed my work.
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You’re from Texas, aren’t you?
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If so, we spent a lot of time in Texas, and got real acquainted.
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We did something called a “residence,” where we chose a market to focus on for nearly a year, and went round and round between Dallas, Austin, Houston over to San Antonio and back East again.
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The great band “Course of Empire,” with whom we toured, is from Dallas.
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I’m pretty sure you’re from Texas…

jc46202: I think that Will is an actual person that the GOP uses to sound out their BS.
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Kind of like “Sgt Preston of the Yukon”, if “Will, of the American People” agrees with the latest SS privitization scheme or health care refudiation, then it’s Boehner’s green light to shovel it to the rest of the American People…

Pinto,
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“Not at all Earl. What is happening clearly illustrates one thing: the power of corporations.”
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No, it shows when there is a level playing field on campaign money; the American people rejected the Left period
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The Left had a tremendous money advantage in 2008. This time you are whinny because you did not.
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That’s called being a hypocrite.

Paul,
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A teacher once said;
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A “fool” is a person that worries about grammar, spelling and typos and misses the message completely. Concentrate on the message and not the messenger.
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Paul you are an elitist fool.

“He acts like he belongs in a mental institution.”
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No room. You got the last one and the other insane people are complaining about you already.
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Don’t worry Patrick. Someday you will grow up and become an adult.

I guess it worked. Your band got a lot of airplay on 101X in Austin.

Springsteen and Little Feat both used the “residency” idea to gain popularity and buzz. Springsteen focused on Maryland-DC-Virginia. Little Feat spent a lot of time around Providence.

I live and record in the country about 30 miles from Austin.

“No, it shows when there is a level playing field on campaign money; the American people rejected the Left period
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The Left had a tremendous money advantage in 2008. This time you are whinny because you did not.
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That’s called being a hypocrite.”
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If you believe that I have a bridge to sell you. Where is that superior wisdom of yours that you always brag about?
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I wouldn’t call money levelling the playing field at all. If so why didn’t some of the most partisan and resourceful candidates win on the right side in this election?

the American people rejected the Left period
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What things has this administration done that are representative of “the Left”?
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A private insurance mandate? -not very left at all, actually reminiscent of Republican plans.
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Afghanistan surge, drones in Pak, harsh sanctions on Iran, intense military base construction in the ME, indefinite detention, work on a proposed missile defense system in Europe, arms to Saudi Arabia, mil aid to Israel, keeping the previous admin’s Pentagon hierarchy… no left in Foreign Policy.
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A stimulus that relied on tax-cuts and emergency aid to the states with little investment in jobs programs? A proposed “compromise stimulus II” that is almost all tax-cuts..?
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Banking reform that gives discretionary regulatory power to officials appointed by the administration (imagine in the future if/when a libertarian or anti-regulation type wins the Exec Office)?
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Probably the only move that you can argue is “leftist” is the auto industry bailout. But that, to me, is less liberal and more democrats supporting a traditional power-base: unions. And there was precedent from Bush’s bailout of the banks.
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It all seems center-right to me.
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So 3x, what actual Liberal policies have the American people rejected?
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I believe the American people have rejected Obama and the democrats’ ineffectiveness. Moreover, that Obama and Dems have betrayed the people that voted for them by not trying liberal solutions. Any rejection of “the Left” is not founded in reality but based on the media’s inaccurate portrayal of Obama as a Lefty.

“He has lived the American dream from poor to successful. He did it on his own. Something that few Liberals have done or would understand.”

That is a total crock. Trust fund kids are almost always republican. 75% of people one Welfare are white and the highest concentration of those whites are Hillbillies in WV and other southern states who voted for Bush Twice and almost monolithically voted against Obama.
Have you ever heard of the term “voting against their own interest”? Democrats ponder on that a great deal, because an absolutely huge amount of the population that relies on social programs also votes for the party that seeks to take those programs away from them.
It might be self loathing on some level. That could be a republican explanation. However, it is most likely an education issue. Ignorance is the reason. Or, at the very least, most Americans really have only the most tiny grasp of issues, and almost are blind to the issue impact on a global scale and how it inner relates. Which is why people like Beck try to “educate” the right with history lessons painted in half truths and distortions.
“All lies and jest, still, a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.”

So not knowing who the Speaker of the House is was which? Gammar, spelling or a typo?
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Or is knowing what one is talking about “elitist”?

where was all the call for compromise the last two years?
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“The call for compromise” was code for Obama and the Dems pattern of not pursuing liberal policies that the American people wanted and voted for- and then blaming it on the Republicans.

“So 3x, what actual Liberal policies have the American people rejected?”
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None, but earl and co haven’t gotten the meme where they’re suppose to analyse the data. They’re told it’s socialism and the American will is to reject a policy thrown around on Fox News but was no closer to be implemented than people being able to grow their own pot for realz.
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I’ve never heard righties say that conservatism was rejected in 2008. THEN it was the economy; now it’s socialism, whatever Rush says it is.

Obama got what he wanted. The Democrats controlled BOTH the House and the Senate… The American people got the shaft
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I agree liberalmeltdown. The American people voted for an end to the wars, a public option, cuts to defense, investment in jobs programs, re-election finance reform, robust banking reform, diplomacy, respect for Constitutional and International law… we got more of the same. We got the shaft.

“A “fool” is a person that worries about grammar, spelling and typos and misses the message completely. Concentrate on the message and not the messenger.”

Oh, I agree.. but not knowing the difference between the senate and the house leader is not an issue of grammar, spelling or typos. He underlined his ignorance by not knowing Nancy Pelosi is the Speaker of the House. Harry Reid is the senate Majority Leader. Knowing the 3 branches of government and how they work together to create the laws of our land is an essential issue Americans must know in order to preserve their Liberty. The God Father of conservatism and Father of our Constitution, Thomas Jefferson once said:

I know no safe depositary of the ultimate powers of the society
but the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened
enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the
remedy is not to take it from them, but to inform their discretion
by education. This is the true corrective of abuses of
constitutional power.” –Thomas Jefferson

You should google Thomas Jefferson on education.

He said many things about it while writing the “socialist bill” which made the case for “socialized education.” Also known as “public school”.
The other important Founding Father who helped Thomas Jefferson write our constitution was Benjamin Franklin, and he was behind creating “Public Libraries”. Only the very wealthy and the clergy had access to books before he created our Socialized Libraries payed for with tax money just like our Socialized schools. He too was just absolutely adamant about the need for our population to be educated.

So you see, educating your friend is far from a “foolish” task. We are educating on a very important subject. I bet he claims to be a constitutional conservative, yet, he does not have even basic understanding of the differences in the 3 branches of power that make up our government .

This might help him.

“You’ve got to be shtting me.”
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We should feel sorry for these guys and ignore that their policy is either to hold unemployed extension hostage or let them (unemployed) eat grass.
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I’ll feel sorry for the incoming speaker when he shows some sympathy for America at large outside his tribe. That would be something to weep about. Not the sordid trail of corporate cash that got him where he is.
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Meanwhile I feel absolutely no ill will against him or anyone else that have it good. Good for them. Just don’t expect me to bow and say gov’ner.

“A “fool” is a person that worries about grammar, spelling and typos and misses the message completely. Concentrate on the message and not the messenger.”
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So what is the message? That ‘crying game’ incoming speaker is better than ‘dirty Harry’ or ‘Wicked witch of the West’?
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That you like the incoming speaker but detest the outgoing?
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People who throw elitist around might as well say ‘stupid is cool and knowledge sux’.

“I know no safe depositary of the ultimate powers of the society but the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them, but to inform their discretion by education. This is the true corrective of abuses of constitutional power.”
–Thomas Jefferson (“The God Father of conservatism”)
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versus
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“There are different kinds of truths for different kinds of people. There are truths appropriate for children; truths that are appropriate for students; truths that are appropriate for educated adults; and truths that are appropriate for highly educated adults, and the notion that there should be one set of truths available to everyone is a modern democratic fallacy. It doesn’t work.”
– Irving Kristol (the God Father of neoconservatism)
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Why is it we always end up following the wrong conservatives?

“I feel sorry for your son to have parents that would brainwash him at his young age. You should be ashamed of yourself.”

I was very honestly impressed with his intuitive grasp of the mans unstable emotional temperament mixed with the logical connection made between, Ted being a very good friend of his, and he also being a drunk.
It showed excellent critical thinking skills, which not very surprisingly republicans often claim have a liberal bias. lol
However, critical thinking skills and minds that make keen intuitive leaps are what make up the best individuals in almost all fields of employment.

Cheers!

Paul, I think 3x (aka Mr. All Hat, No Cattle) is trying to tell us from the Dirty Harry analogy that Nancy is from San Francisco (as if we didn’t already know). But of course, causing gender confusion is NOT making his Case any Clearer. One only wonders what agonies poor Jay Newton-Small endures every day, literally. Can’t people tell she’s a woman just from her name alone? But I digress.

Ahaha, pintortwo.

Great point! Truth has many sides and can be twisted, which is the life blood of neoconservatism and people like Beck.

However, there is truth to what he says. People tend to understand truth in terms of their very limited and personal life experience, which is the sinister element of identity politics as a form of manipulation of the voting population. Republicans have redefined what “American” means to only their very narrow strip of voters. That becomes a manipulated truth.

You can see a list of past recipients of the Irving Kristol Award, presented at the American Enterprise Institute’s annual dinner and lecture. Former presenters include G W Bush and Dick Cheney. Notably, Charles Krauthammer is a past winner and General David Petraeus is the current award holder.
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http://www.aei.org/eventSeries/8

You mean that he would be in the same boat as the rest of us?
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Forsooth!

Cheers! to you, lilaland.
Thomas Jefferson and Schoolhouse Rock in one comment.. well done!

PS, the Kristol quote can be found by searching “Noble Lie”; here (link) defined as: “In politics a Noble lie is a myth or untruth… knowingly told by an ‘elite’ to maintain social harmony, particularly the social position of that elite.” Note too that Irving is Bill’s father.

“You got the last one and the other insane people are complaining about you already.”
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LOL
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It’s not a stab at somebody if you succeed in making that person laugh.
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I’ll grant you that this one was funny.

Thanks Lilaland,
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I remember that from back when I was a child and the Marxist, Socialist, Fascist liberals required educational programing on TV.
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(My Older brother worshiped Sesame street and the Electric Company on PBS and was actually reading by age 3.)

Throughout The Village, the fact that we are all now ruled by psychopaths and their emotionally unstable toadies, isn’t even cause for concern. The story is deal or no deal. We’re are truly and royally screwed.

Saying the word “compromise” or actually making a compromise shouldn’t be controversial at all.
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What made the health care debate “controversial” was that after being in committee for almost a year, it passed on party lines after which the republicans claimed they hadn’t had any say in the process at all–what the republicans hadn’t had was their way, and that is all.
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What makes Obama’s tax compromise “controversial” was that he came to an agreement with the three top ranking republicans then told the dems how they are going vote.
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As for his “principles”, I thought Boehner was all about reducing the deficit. Or is it tax cuts?? I can’t keep his priniciples straight any longer. I know it has to do with appeasing the wealthy though.
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As for that sickening display of crying while trying to explain why he doesn’t give speeches in schools anymore “because I get upset looking at those kids and knowing they don’t have the same opportunities he’d had. The bone should look to his own policies and see that it is why the opportunities he’d taken advantage of are no longer available to many middle class and poor kids.

“Thanks Lilaland,
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I remember that from back when I was a child and the Marxist, Socialist, Fascist liberals required educational programing on TV.”

lol!

The cunning evil, ba#tards.