President Palin?

I really feel for you JNS.
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Maybe if you give your assignment editor a realllly nice gift this holiday season you can be spared this beat.

President Palin……does kinda roll off the tongue easily. As opposed to I change my name from Barry to Barack Hussein Obama.
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Does Sarah have a middle name?

Oh, JNS, were you as equally appalled on Sarah’s great TLC show when they shot Rudolph too? Did you have to close your eyes?

JNS a dog person?

Kitten genocide protesters do wonder….

Jay, I congratulated you on cover story elsewhere (yes, what Paul said, not the most pleasant assignment, no doubt). Also no doubt you’re getting showered with congrats elsewhere and will get ripped to pieces here (Sarah’s not the most fave topic). I think she’ll run; the temptation is too great and she tends to “quit upward” for shinier objects.
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That said, given much old-school R dislike for her (Scarborough’s comments reflect this), do you see a chance of her splitting off as an independent TP candidate, esp. if TP’s don’t get their way in next Congress thanks to R vs. TP infighting? Other smarter commenters here have recent pondered third-party options to Obama vs. Palin (who will beat her in primaries? Mittens? McCain of all people kicked his ass last time + religious bigotry over “non-Christians”).
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What if R – TP unity breaks and both sides run in ’12, creating a Perot effect? Thus maybe a Feingold or Bloomberg could steal the ante and win. How does Sarah really feel towards the R establishment? I’d appreciate more thoughts from you on these items we’ve raised, and thanks for your good work here, Jay. Now let the others rant away.

Who says Jay actually wants to be spared the Palin beat?

It’s “Freedom,” as in “Dharma Freedom Finkelstein Montgomery.”
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Nah, it’s “Heath”. She kept her maiden name as her middle one.

JNS is a dog person. (where did blockquote come from?) She’s tweeted about her dog before. Now if only we can get her to adopt a cat too. The two would keep each other company while she’s off on assignments. Dogs and cats are NOT natural enemies (cats and birds are, big time, but I digress).

Its not a true quote from anywhere… I probably didn’t carry the set up of “this is a speech bubble” through well enough; mostly because I didn’t care to…

Imagine covering Sarah fulltime, literally, whether as a blog or dead-tree. The Buddha Himself would have a hard time staying sane, but the Palingates blog out of Germany does it anyway. http://palingates.blogspot.com/ They also do much deeper reporting than nearly all of the MSM / LSM. BTW, here’s a recent Sarah critique – http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rep-john-yarmuth/sarah-palins-lame-media-s_b_793483.html

Oh Please OH PLEASE let this be true!
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I want to support Sarah Palin for President! I want to support her soooo bad its all I can think of some days. I’d support her better than anyone! Her poise, her beauty, her smooth silky intelligence! How can any Real American Man NOT want to support her long and hard!
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Uhmmm…I’ll be right back…I need some ‘me’ time.

You raise a good point about switching names Rusty.

(yet more kitties go splat!)

…is [Palin] running for President or to become a right wing OprahHarpo?

Fixed.

…if she doesn’t she’s going to be awfully bored next year…

Oh what will Sarah do to keep the media’s infatuation with her alive? Another crappy book? Nah, not but enough. How ’bout a reality teevee show?

More seriously, I think the saturation point has been reached when it comes to public interest in Sarah Palin…But maybe not so much for Jay, who seems to have become too close to the object of her journalistic attention.

“Who says Jay actually wants to be spared the Palin beat?”
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Yes, he needs to be sure the looney left is fed with raw meat, otherwise their heads would explode.

She won’t run for President. The job doesn’t pay enough and there’s WAY too much accountability, responsibility, and criticism involved with that job. Letting people THINK she’s running though, that’s a great way to keep the cash rolling in.

Rusty’s had lots of practice switching names.

The looney left, at the very least, understands that Jay is a she.

I can just hear Sarah Palin on her first overseas trip as President. “Where are we now?” Reply: “We are in France.” Palin “is France in Japan?” Reply “no, it is in Europe.” Palin “where is Europe?”
Her first meeting with France’s President.
” Madam President welcome to France.” “You betcha. Can we talk about aid to our ally North Korea?” Madam? “Please don’t call me madam, just call me Mama Grizzle.” Grrrrr…………………..

Yes, he needs to be sure…
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Jay’s a woman, free, in case you forgot. And you’re still posting here?

Great story. Compelling and rich.

“President Palin?”
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Celebrity gossip?

This week I have a cover story on Sarah Palin: is she running for President or to become a right wing Oprah?
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There’s really no difference between Time Magazine and, say, TMZ, or “Around the Horn” on ESPN.
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In lieu of informing people about the news, there’s just a bunch of policy-free speculation about what might happen. The day LeBron was back in Cleveland, the AtH panelists were all, “The Cavs are gonna win, LeBron’s gonna panic!” Then he scored like 40 points and the Heat won by about 30. But who cares, infotainment is about building hype.
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But remember, the reason we care about government is because it implements policies that affect people’s lives. This kind of hype– at all, much less on the cover of Time magazine!– is a disservice to journalism and America.
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From the Time story:

they scrub anything that is threatening, pornographic or unfit for children; that questions Barack Obama’s citizenship or the parentage of Palin’s toddler son Trig; or that hints that the government was behind the 9/11 attacks. Beyond that, though, pretty much anything goes…

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That is false. See: http://www.slate.com/id/2274216/

Whoever administers the page for Palin had deleted me so fast I didn’t even have a copy of what I’d written. I posted another similar note:
I think Governor Palin and the author are talking about two different time periods. … Once again, my attempt to kick off this conversation did not happen. My second post was also deleted.

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From the Time article:

She has mocked Obama’s “vast” nuclear-arms experience acquired as a community organizer and slammed him for apologizing to the world for America’s greatness. In a speech to the Southern Republican Leadership Conference in April, she hit Obama for “coddling our enemies and alienating allies” and for offering “tepid sanctions” on North Korea.

Palin has lately folded into her Facebook posts a healthy dose of kitchen-table economics, as when in early December she called on governors to resist federal bailouts and get their budgets in order. She has accused the Administration of bankrupting the government by trying to hire its way out of the recession. She delights in pointing out the inconsistent scrutiny of the “lamestream media.”

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There are huge debates, or simply questions of factual accuracy, for each of these assertions, but you just typed them down and passed them along to Time’s readers like you were part of the Palin team you describe here (lord knows you aren’t going to write about anything she would actually do in office, and how it would affect the country).
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This section of the article is PR for Palin. Assuming you’re capable of feeling shame, now would be a good time for it.

While I was in the bank line, CNN told me that the US ranks #14 in education acheivment behind China among others. While we can speculate about the problems with schools, I’m more concerned that we’re developing a culture that celebrates ignorance and distrusts education in the first place.

The fact that Time has assigned someone to cover Sarah Palin is a clear indication that my fears are not misplaced

Book nerd!

Don’t Ask Don’t Tell just failed in the Senate, it’s dead.

I mean repeal.
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Repeal just failed over a procedural dispute between Collins and Reid.
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So they say.

CNN in the bank line. Sounds like FirstBank to me.

Although Collins just voted for cloture…?
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Now that it doesn’t matter?
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WTF?

Still time to switch votes, voting still open…

Lieberman is negotiating while vote still open, may still happen…

…and…
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No.
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Repeal dies.
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Vote over, fails 57-40.
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DADT will still be the law of the land.

You mean, 40-57. Minority rules.

“DADT will still be the law of the land.”
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Apparently, so will valueless “journalists” speculating about whether empty-headed, lying hucksters are going to run for president, while the republic slips further and further down the corporatist rat hole.

This is an incredible moment.
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Complete dysfunction and theater on display.
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60 Senators are publicly in favor of repeal, but still the vote won’t be brought to the floor.
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Who can defend this system?

Sarah Palin again?
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Making fun of Freakinpa, Earl and 3X are what made posts about her fun and, with Freak only posting once… what is there really interesting to say about a very slim housewife who gave up elected office a couple of years ago after not making it as VP?

I guess we’re now waiting for the President to issue a Stop Loss order…

FirstBank indeed. My 20min/week CNN dose.

stuart, doesn’t this vote confirm the painful logic of the President’s decision, re: the tax deal with the Republicans? The Democrats can show passion and commitment (and actually be in the right on the issues) but they can’t produce the votes. It baffles me that Reid would let this come to a vote without knowing it would pass.
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If you’re the President and you want to do something to help the economy, the unemployed and the deficit, why wouldn’t you take a deal that you know will pass and will probably do something for the economy and the unemployed and deal with the deficit later? How many times can he sit there and turn things over to Harry Reid and watch him drop the ball before he tries something new?

Isn’t the real question, how soon will this reach the Supreme Court, where DADT will be overturned by a 5-4 vote, with Kennedy voting with the liberals? Then, we’ll get to see the New Millennium’s version of court-ordered busing instead of a logical, orderly process for modernizing our military at a time when thousands are in the field, under fire.
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God, we have some stupid “leaders” in this country.

“Yes, he needs to be sure the looney left is fed with raw meat, otherwise their heads would explode.”
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Are you sure you’re not talking about tea partiers and exploding heads…unless we’re talking about craniums.

Frankly, a President Palin is a fantasy, at least in the near future. While Governor Palin has some personality and would be a hoot to go hunting with, she does not have the gravitas to become President. While, I think political “qualifications” for president are overstated, in truth it is the hardest job in the world and requires a discipline I have not seen exhibited by Ms. Palin. The fact that she would quit her job as governor of a sparcely populated state tells me all I need to know about her likelyhood of becoming president.

First of all, she would not be able to survive the Republican primaries. Republcans can be real nasty e.g. Lee Atwater and Karl Rove and I don’t think she could withstand the criticism from within. Heck, I bet Karl Rove would be chomping at the bits just to bring her down a natch. Ironically, the things that make her so appealing are the same things that irritate the Beltway Republicans. If she were perceived to be the frontrunner, all arrows would be pointed her way. I don’t think she could withstand the onslought and I think she is smart enough to realize the same thing.

She is much more powerful as kingmaker and would not have to deal with attacks from other Republican candidates. In fact, all the candidates would be falling all over themselves for her endorsement, if for no other reason than the enthusiam her supporters have.

She will continue to play coy, if only for the money. And isn’t that the real reason she resigned as governor anyway?

why didn’t You just clean up Your stupid head from roaches?

Jay, watched you on Chris Matthews show this afternoon. He had a good question, how can you be sure your communicating with Palin when the interview is done on line? You defended her absurd moose hunt that took 3 people to help her bag the beautiful animal that had been herded into the kill. The whole show is nothing but propaganda and photo ops.
The article was very cozy with little research on the accuracy of what Palin? was saying. I guess this is like the McCain syndrome. Reporter stenography to maintain access.

Princess is getting $1M per episode and all of the meat she can eat. The great part is reading liberal sissies like Aaron Sorkin rant about ‘murdering’ animals. Like most libs he thinks his steak came from a cow that passed quietly away in the old age home surrounded by family and friends. Did you see her cut that catch up? Aaron would lose his lunch. Man up you coward.

Did you see how many people it took to teach the mighty huntress how to aim and fire? Do you think, like Cheney, that herded and planted game is really hunting?

She does not have the gravitas to become President.

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She is without question the most dynamic and interesting political figure of this age with well established and widely discussed position on a wide range of issues. Just this week Kathleen Kennedy Townsend took to the op-ed pages of the Washington Post to debate Sarah on her criticism of her Uncle Jacks position on his religion as detailed on a now famous speech in 1960. Sarah wrote an intelligent and thoughtful essay explaining why JFK was wrong and what he should have done instead. Palin knew the Kennedy myth making machine would engage and generate priceless publicity. Agree or disagree with her position it was well thought out and coherently presented. Any politician would love to have the ability via one facebook posting to generate a Washington Post op-ed page essay. Better yet Kathleen is pretty far left and was more than a little condescending. If you’re thinking anything in the Post will be more widely read by beltway liberals think again. The ‘debate’ leaked all over the internet and on much of talk radio. A conservative defending religion will always play better than a liberal attacking it.

I’m like Aaron in many respects except for the stupidity, hypocrisy and condescension. I’ve had many opportunities to hunt and zero interest. I don’t think it’s fair either since the caribou didn’t have a gun. That said Palin is 100% dead on correct. If you eat meat shut up. If you buy leather products shut up. Sorkin is a moron. Is he so isolated from reality he doesn’t know why their called slaughterhouses?

I didn’t see the show nor will I. But taking shots at her is petty and benefits her.

Sarah Palin is a mystery to me. Mark Halperin breathlessly reports on every tweet from her twitter account. Time is about to put her face on the cover of its magazine. A TV show is built around her antics like killing animals for ratings. She has a nominal role on Fox where she is treated like a Superstar.

But when I listen to her talk, I can’t follow her reasoning, and I can’t understand what’s she saying. I suppose if everything she said was Close Captioned, I might be able to diagram her sentences, but she’s incomprehensible to me–inscrutable, even. Yet, she commands nearly as much media attention as the President of the United States. Color me stupid, I guess.

It sort of reminds me of going to Church. The Preacher is teaching about the doctrines of the faith. The faithful are nodding their heads, but I only scratch mine. What does this all mean? I mean, I want to belong. I want to nod my head and fit in, but I can’t, because it’s all so incomprehensible to me. Following Palin is like following God–it must be done as an article of faith.

It’s always been amusing how citified liberals hate hunting. Americans eat more meat than any people on the planet and American liberals oppose hunting. Do you really wonder why only 20% of Americans will identify themselves as liberal.

It’s one of three things. Either you are stupid. Or you are a liberal snob and if the latter than means both. I’m an atheist but periodically find my self in church for weddings and other ceremonies. I’ve never found anything confusing. I don’t agree with certain things but hard to understand they’re not. It’s you.

“It’s one of three things. Either you are stupid. Or you are a liberal snob and if the latter than means both.”

What’s the third thing? Did you lose your train of thought. That’s understandable. Maintaining three things at once must be very difficult.

Snow White leads The Seven Dwarfs

The GOP will soon be known as the Party of Snow White and The Seven Dwarfs with Sarah “Snow White” Palin leading such GOP Dwarfs as Huckabee, Gingrich, Pawlenty, Thune, Barbour, Romney and Ron Paul. When Snow White leads, The Seven Dwarfs follow.

No role for Speaker of the House Boehner? Might want to add Pence.

Both, you are a little on the slow side.

She’s a beautiful woman but that’s it — Why waste time, energy, and space publicizing her? Give it a rest, Jay!

I do like the Time cover, though. Palin strikes me as the Paint-By-Number type.

“I’ve never found anything confusing”
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You do understand that is a sign of low intellect, right?

That’s the amazing thing. They can’t help themselves. They give her priceless publicity and then tell you she’s the dumb one. GWB beat the libs in 4 elections and they still think he’s the dumb one.

Understanding is intelligence. Insulting religious people is stupid snobbery.

Okay, thank you for that response.

Friday Palin op-ed in the Journal: I endorse Paul Ryan’s roadmap on entitlements

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She generated an essay by Kathleen Kennedy Townsend in the weeks Washington Post on religion in politics and she has an Op-ed in tommorows WSJ endorsing rising conservative star Paul Ryans deficit reduction plan. Other than having dozens of op-eds in dozens of papers on a variety of subjects and dominating cover pages she doesn’t do anything or know anything.

She knows how to generate publicity and print money though doesn’t she? You keep telling yourself she’s the dumb one.

No offense to unattractive, overweight, out of shape, eighty-five year old women, but why did Saturday Night Live turn to an unattractive, overweight, out of shape, eighty-five year old woman (i.e., Tina Fey) to play the part of an attractive, ideal weight, in shape, forty-five year old woman (i.e., Sarah Palin)?

Run Sarah Run!!

“It’s always been amusing how citified liberals hate hunting.”
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There you go again (to quote your messiah).
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I grew up in NYC suburbs, went to school in Boston (and stayed on seeking work to pay for my last year for many more years) and moved to Queens because I love city life with the whole world and many work opportunities within walking distance, but, there is one thing I always wished I had had a chance to do (and someday believe I will do when I am far away from the city) is hunting.
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It would be very hard to label me anything other than liberal, but, I do wish to hunt.
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Stocked hunting grounds, just like stocked fisheries are for impatient posers. Going out all day with a high chance of going home totally empty handed is what I know is a major part of hunting.
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Did you ever wonder why 55 Mil Americans register are Republicans while 72 million are registered as Democrats? Look at your posts and the infinite amount of BS coming from the far right and you’ll know why.
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I love meat and, at least a few times in the remaining 50 to 60 years wish to find out what it is like to kill and cure my own meal would be like.

“She is without question the most dynamic and interesting political figure of this age with well established and widely discussed position on a wide range of issues.”
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You’ve got to be kidding me.
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Palin has two kind of people who listen to her: extremely anti-intellectual conservatives who hate logical arguments in favor of talking points and the 72 million “lefties” and many of the “lefties” of the 42 million independents who find her hilarious.
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Just as I do not laugh at crippled people or, on American Idol (a show I never watched) people who think that they can sing but sound like they are the victims of torture screaming for help, I do not get a laugh from Palin believing that she is so much brighter than everybody else where incoherently splicing together talking points.

“I’m an atheist…”
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I wouldn’t have guessed that in a million years.
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For the most part being an atheist, unless you were raised one (which I was not and few atheists are) means reaching a point where you no longer see the universe as you wish to, but, by a more objective way where with 0 evidence of a sapient creator you can no longer believe in this creator regardless of what you wish to be the case.
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I wish I was still Catholic, but, I just can’t see any hand of god at all in anything, just people and nature (not all bad, but not divinely inspired, either).
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Yet you are a far right conservative who sees economics, history and politics exclusively as you wish them to be without using any objective evidence at all.

“She knows how to generate publicity and print money though doesn’t she? You keep telling yourself she’s the dumb one.”
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I haven’t given her one dollar of my money. Now who’s dumb?
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You can’t get enough of everything she says, does or her show. I bet you bought and read her books.
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Good for you.
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So what is it about her that you find so appealing? That she’s a fake conservative that can’t even articulate their low tax policy?
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That she’s pretty?
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That she’s pretty?
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Err, pretty?
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What else is there?

Here’s a thought. If she’s the next President she will be the wealthiest in our history. GWB sold his share in the Texas team for $15M JFKs wealth was his Daddy’s. FDRs was his mommies. Sarah has more than all of them.

Rdw56,
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You mistake wealth and/or power for intelligence.
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Einstein was not wealthy nor powerful, yet, according to your thinking, he must have been dumb for that very reason while a retarded kid who inherits a trust fund would fit your definition of genius.
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You admire nothing above wealth and power and yet have audacity to call those who admire intelligence “snobs”.
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If you wan to see a snob, look in the mirror and see a sycophant to the wealthy and powerful.

Textee apparently, also, has vision problems.
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http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.dailystab.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/tina-fey-vanity-fair.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.dailystab.com/tina-fey-vanity-fair-january-2009/&usg=__2YxX40mS7IUSKvl84DUefq-FxMg=&h=640&w=450&sz=342&hl=en&start=38&zoom=1&tbnid=DJZ8HJ-g_-cRzM:&tbnh=143&tbnw=108&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dtina%2Bfey%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D1440%26bih%3D751%26gbv%3D2%26tbs%3Disch:10%2C6840%2C684&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=738&vpy=330&dur=742&hovh=268&hovw=188&tx=112&ty=140&ei=np8BTZ6FEoaBlAfDucn2CQ&oei=mZ8BTc-PF8WAlAeejNHQCQ&esq=2&page=2&ndsp=36&ved=1t:429,r:22,s:38&biw=1440&bih=751
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Republican Herbert Hoover was the wealthiest self made man ever in the presidency.
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If you want to call him a Democrat for no known reason, besides a great-granddaughter who works for Fox, he was in the Harding and Coolidge Administrations. So,to do would be to call Coolidge and Harding Democrats, too.
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(Your arguments about JFK and Truman being Republican are even weaker, unless you wan to call FDR, Johnson, RFK and Ted Kennedy Republicans, too).
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Another fact free post from Rdw56.
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I’ve never had the opportunity to shoot clay pigeons, but debating you is just like that for me.
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Pull!
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Smash.
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Pull!

I don’t buy political books, nor read them. Sarah would not be my candidate but she is fascinating. How does someone so nice herself generate so much raw hatred? Liberals go banana’s just at the sound of her name. How many of you are thinking, “if she wins I’ll leave the country”.

As far as her politics she’s pretty much a mainline Reagan conservative. She is far better defined and consistent than Obama. He trashed every single policy on national security and defense set by Bush and then adapted every single one of them The exception would be closing Gitmo and trials in NYC.

You will trash her intelligence as you have done to all conservatives. You did it to GWB and he cleaned your clock in 4 elections and you did it to Reagan and he cleaned your clock in 4 elections. It was cool to see Rep Weiner of NY trash Obama for not fighting for tax increases as Reagan fought for tax cuts.

Liberals are the smartest people in the world. That why taxes are staying at 35%.

What are you babbling about? I said Hoover was progressive, not Democrat, not liberal. I said Truman and JFK were further right than todays democrats and thus by todays standards more likely to be called conservative on many issues such as defense and national security.

“Liberals are the smartest people in the world. That why taxes are staying at 35%.”
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Correction Conservatives are the wealthiest elitists people in the world who have this country by the balls. That why taxes are staying at 35%.

I second that! And may she win the GOP nomination.

“I said Hoover was progressive, not Democrat, not liberal.”
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Progressive is to liberal as agnostic is to atheist.
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What’s a progressive?
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A liberal who does not like to PO conservative.
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What’s an agnostic?
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An atheist who does not want to piss off religious people.
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” I said Truman and JFK were further right than todays democrats and thus by todays standards more likely to be called conservative on many issues such as defense and national security.”
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First, regarding terrorism, a secret service agent was killed defending Truman from a terrorist and he did not open Gitmo for Puerto Rican nationalist.
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Second, if the Soviet Union reassembled itself out of it’s own ashes and started pointing ICMBs at us with a trigger happy leader, Democrats would go back to extremely high defense spending along with a 70% top tax bracket to pay for it.
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The Tea Party would join, but, insist upon making it all deficit spending so that paying for today’s defense would be our grandchildren’s problem.
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Hoover was a conservative.
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Truman and JFK were liberals.

But she is “purdy”. She fakes hunting, fishing. I lived and was married to a hunter and commercial fisherman. Sarah would have been laughed at.
By the way, she claims to read CS Lewis. You can bet it is because he writes from a Christian viewpoint (actually quite well) and she heard about him from her right wing friends. NRO refers to Lewis often.
Did she actually read any of his books or essays? Doubtful.

Still pissed at me for proving Carter is the worst ex-president in History? Are you saying taxes are going up? Where is my ‘fact’ wrong? What numbers are you using for Hoover and Palin?

First, regarding terrorism, a secret service agent was killed defending Truman from a terrorist and he did not open Gitmo for Puerto Rican nationalist.

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He kept the Japanese in jail, nuked Japan and waged war with North Korea and China.

Second, if the Soviet Union reassembled itself out of it’s own ashes and started pointing ICMBs at us with a trigger happy leader, Democrats would go back to extremely high defense spending along with a 70% top tax bracket to pay for it

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No they wouldn’t. They’d never elect a post-68 Democrat in the USSR returned. Too sissy.

What’s a progressive?
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A liberal who does not like to PO conservative

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The original progessives were TR, WW and HH. The model hillary and Obama refer to is WW and he was a price. He had no problem pissing off conservatives. He’d just toss you in jail and let you rot there without a hearing.

Liberals are unreal. You could lose 80 elections in a row and still thing you are smarter. Both of her parents are teachers. It makes sense she’d never read. Teachers are so anti-reading. You people mock yourselves. Gore still thinks he beat Bush in the debates and Kerry still can’t believe he lost to that idiot.

That elitists tag gets under your skin doesn’t it? It should. You people look down your nose at Sarah Palin calling her stupid and a liar and every name in the book while she’s just one of the nicest people pulling in bags of cash. You suggest she cannot read. You mock yourself with your snobbery. She can’t read she can only print money. You are the smart one.

You define elitist. That’s someone with an inflated opinion of themselves with no possible justification. That’s her picture on the cover not any of yours.

“Still pissed at me for proving Carter is the worst ex-president in History? ”
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One can not prove an opinion unless you had an objective standard like saying that Carter went from being president to becoming a serial murderer or something, I am, also, not very concerned about Carter.
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“Are you saying taxes are going up? ”
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With the next 30 years if we do not raise taxes to pay for things, we will be like the PIGS of Western Europe (Portugal, Ireland, Greece and Spain).
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“Where is my ‘fact’ wrong?”
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Power is not equal to intelligence. If an a-hole beats the hell out of you and takes your money leaving you broke and him wealthy, does that make him smarter than you or just stronger, more proficient with weapons and less ethical than you are (presuming, as I have, that you are not a career criminal).
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“What numbers are you using for Hoover and Palin?’
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I am aware of Hoover’s biography and Palin’s biography.
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Let me look.
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“Within two decades of leaving Stanford, he had amassed a personal net worth of about $4 million.”
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http://www.biography.com/articles/Herbert-Hoover-9343371
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“What cost $4.000,000 in 1897 would cost $101,787,176.30 in 2009.’
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http://www.westegg.com/inflation/infl.cgi
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“Sarah Palin is the former governor of Alaska and ran for Vice President of the United States on the 2008 Republican ticket. Her net worth is $12 million.”
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http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-politicians/republicans/sarah-palin-net-worth/
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Two years out of college, in modern money, Hoover had more than nine times as much money as Sarah Palin.
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“In 1975 the firm grossed $2.5 million, and Carter said his net worth was $811,982.09″
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http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,947792-11,00.html
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“What cost $811982.09 in 1975 would cost $3.201,796.47 in 2009.”
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So, she has Jimmy Carter beat if that makes you happy.

“He had no problem pissing off conservatives. He’d just toss you in jail and let you rot there without a hearing.”
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You have that backwards.
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To the applause of conservatives of his time Woodrow Wilson put Socialists, anarchists and Communists in jail such as social democrat Eugene V Debs.
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“Debs’ speeches against the Wilson administration and the war earned the undying enmity of President Woodrow Wilson, who later called Debs a “traitor to his country.”[29] On June 16, 1918, Debs made a speech in Canton, Ohio, urging resistance to the military draft of World War I. He was arrested on June 30 and charged with 10 counts of sedition. His trial defense called no witnesses, asking instead that Debs be allowed to address the court in his defense. That unusual request was granted, and Debs spoke for 2 hours. He was found guilty on September 12.’
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_V._Debs#Arrest_and_imprisonment
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There is no record ever of Woodrow Wilson putting a conservative in jail, just people further to his left.
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“progressive – a person who favors a political philosophy of progress and reform and the protection of civil liberties
liberal, liberalist”
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http://www.thefreedictionary.com/progressive
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Hence progressive means liberal in 21st century politics as it did in 20th century politics.
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Most people agree that TR was not a conservative.
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Between Lincoln and Truman the Democratic and Republican parties slowly swapped places.
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If this were 1870, I would be a staunch Republican as liberals were in 1870.

Come on Pat,

you have to get over yourself with the self-defeating sneering. It is why you lose arguments and elections. Obama had two years of huge majorities and he can’t raise taxes 1%. You haven’t lost the intellectual arguments on economics you’ve been crushed. Robert Reich is despondent and should be. Barak conceded nearly 80-yr positions on keynsian stimulus and progressive tax rates admitting they are bad for economic growth. Obama’s position now is the same as Sarah’s.

You mistake wealth and/or power for intelligence.

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I make no such mistake. I make the connection between wealth and intelligence. One cannot do what Palin has done and be considered stupid. The people calling her stupid are obviously stupid. I don’t equate wealth and power at all. That’s a Marxist thing.

“They’d never elect a post-68 Democrat in the USSR returned. Too sissy.’
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I wouldn’t?
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Really?
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Okay, if you want to play that game where you get to tell me what I think, then I get to tell you what you think and would do.
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You hate poor people and black people. On weekends you get together with Klan buddies and beat up black people.
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All Republicans after 1968 like to beat up black people including you.
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Why?
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For the same reason you like to say that you know what I would do, “common sense” or, more clearly, because I said so.
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I’ll accept your stance that I would not support additional national defense if we had an enemy because you said so if you accept that you like to go to the slums of Philly on the weekend to beat up black people because I said do.
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(BTW: I do not really believe you beat up black people, but, if you like to play dumb games, this is how it is done.)

Right on Hoover but Palins wealth is still moving. That $12M would not include the $8M she just made for her TLC series and she might be doing 8 more.

“I make the connection between wealth and intelligence.’
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“Oprah Winfrey is a media mogul with a net worth of $2.3 billion.

Oprah Winfrey’s salary
Oprah Winfrey’s salary is $315 million per year.”
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http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-celebrities/oprah-net-worth/
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To ignore George Soros and Michael Blomberg and compare entertainer to entertainer, you then would have to say that Oprah is about 200 times more intelligent than Sarah Palin.
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If you don’t say that Oprah is 200 times smarter than Sarah Palin, you are a communist traitor.

There is no record ever of Woodrow Wilson putting a conservative in jail, just people further to his left.
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“progressive – a person who favors a political philosophy of progress and reform and the protection of civil liberties
liberal, liberalist”

They didn’t have conservatives until the 50′s. Republican and conservative are not the same thing. You definitions of progressive and liberal are silly, unserious. Progress is a meaningless them as it protection of civil liberties. I am a supporter of individual gun rights yet you would not call me a liberal or progressive. Conservatives are properly described as classical liberals. We favor individual freedoms and fear the state as defind by people like David Hume. Today’s liberals are the opposite.

Wealth is not equal to intelligence unless Michael Jackson was far, far smarter than Palin.
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He was worth $600 Million USD
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http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-celebrities/singers/michael-jackson-net-worth/

To ignore George Soros and Michael Blomberg and compare entertainer to entertainer, you then would have to say that Oprah is about 200 times more intelligent than Sarah Palin.
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If you don’t say that Oprah is 200 times smarter than Sarah Palin, you are a communist traitor.

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How old are you? You think and write as a child. What does being 200x’s smarter mean anyway?

You fool mock Sarah Palin as stupid and educated when she’s writing Op-ed in the NYTs, is engaging in debates constantly, writing books, doing a TV series, traveling and supporting candidates, running her own PAC, doing all sorts of other things, raising a nice family and maximizing her income.

And she’s dumb?

That’s an utterly preposterous thing to say. It’s just staggeringly stupid. It is pure snobbery and hate. It is quintessentially a liberal thing to GWB. He sold his interest in a baseball team for $15M and then cleaned your clock in 4 elections and you still call him dumb. You mock yourselves.

“They didn’t have conservatives until the 50′s”
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And black people weren’t invented until they showed up in movies in the late 1960s.
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Gays weren’t invented until the mid 1990s.
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The Conservative Party of England was started in 1678.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Party_%28UK%29
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Did you mean the 1650s?
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“You definitions of progressive and liberal are silly, unserious’
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Are you familiar with the psychological concept of projecting?
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“In Freudian psychology, Psychological projection or projection bias is a psychological defense mechanism where a person unconsciously denies their own attributes, thoughts, and emotions, which are then ascribed to the outside world, such as to the weather, or to other people. Thus, it involves imagining or projecting that others have those feelings.[1]

Projection reduces anxiety by allowing the expression of the unwanted unconscious impulses or desires without letting the conscious mind recognize them.”
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection
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You are elitist, belong to the elitist ideology and are unserious and unreasonable in your political definitions but wish to accuse us of the same because you would hate to know the truth that you are both elitist and unserious.

“You fool mock Sarah Palin as stupid and educated when she’s writing Op-ed in the NYTs, is engaging in debates constantly, writing books, doing a TV series, traveling and supporting candidates, running her own PAC, doing all sorts of other things, raising a nice family and maximizing her income.’
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You mock the New York times as only for stupid people, so, if I use your argument, then Sarah Palin is stupid.
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She loses debates against people like Joe Biden, the gaff machine of the Democratic Party.
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Oprah Winfrey has her own TV show and has for over 25 years. So, she must be smarter than Sarah Palin by your standards.
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Liberal run PACs. So, all liberals must, by that standard, be as or more intelligent than Sarah Palin.
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Obama wrote a book without a ghost writer, so that must mean that he is more intelligent than Sarah Palin by that standard.
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All Democrats back candidates, so all Democrats must match Sarah Palin in intelligence.
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As for travel, even retarded people can have a seat on an airplane. I have no idea what your point was with that.
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Yet, you call me a child?

I have no idea what you are babbling about here. I’ll try to start with what I think is your initial premise. You think I said you wouldn’t post for a post-68 liberal. You would vote liberal if Pee Wee ran for President. ‘They’ refers to the American people. Post-68 refers to the pacifist swing the Democrat party made after 1968 bending to the anti-war crowd with people like mcCarthy, Mcgovern, Muskie, etc. Carter got in as a retired captain in the Navy in the post-watergate era and his weakness regarding Iran got Reagan and Bush for 12 years. It’s widely agreed, even by Clinton, that had the USSR not collapsed his candidacy wold not have been possible.

“Both of her parents are teachers. It makes sense she’d never read. Teachers are so anti-reading.”
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Yeah, and the pope is anti-Catholic.
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Palin, is a going rogue. She’s a maverick. Her parents told her to read, but, gosh darn it, she rebelled and didn’t read.
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She’s a rebel without a clue.
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She’s entertaining to conservatives since she tells them what they want to hear and she’s entertaining to everybody else (if this is your idea of comedy – which is not mine) because she is a clown.

Modern Conservatism started with William F Buckey in the 1950 and is not related to British conservatism in a political sense.

If the three choices were:
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1) Three more years of hand to hand combat on the Japanese Island.
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2) Soviets come in, as they did right after the bomb was dropped, and take half of Japanese territory.
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or
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3) A super explosive with no known long term health consequences known as the Atomic bomb.
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I would chose, #3, too.
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It was the long term health consequences which nobody knew about at the time which made the issue controversial.
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I’ve had good friends from Japan, but, if it was four more years of war with huge Japanese civilian deaths in addition to our own, drop the bomb.
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Regarding North Korea, if they stat attacking the South again, Obama will bring us back into the Korean War without concern for 38th parallel.
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At the time, Republicans were calling Truman a screaming liberal for holding back McArthur.

You’ve got it very twisted again.
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In 1968 Democrats wished we could win Vietnam, but looked at the situation and knew that the losses would be amazingly high and not worth it.
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John Kerry, who refused to pull strings for a deferment the way cowards Bush and Cheney did, enlisted in the navy for two tours of duty winning several medals.
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In 1968 Republicans ignored reality and supported the war.
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If Vietnam were winnable at costs acceptable to it’s size, then we would have won the war already. If it was winnable by 1969, there would have been few, if any, anti-war protesters.
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Because it appears as if the only way we could have won the Vietnam War was to continue huge losses until 1978 or 1988, Democrats saw reality and Republicans put their heads in the sand and waved their flags in the air.

“That’s someone with an inflated opinion of themselves with no possible justification. That’s her picture on the cover not any of yours.’
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“e·lit·ism or é·lit·ism (-ltzm, -l-)
n.
1. The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources.
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a. The sense of entitlement enjoyed by such a group or class.
b. Control, rule, or domination by such a group or class”
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http://www.thefreedictionary.com/elitist
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Sorry, I do not believe that any class should rule over any other class of people. That is what Republicans and conservatives do. The richest should rule over all of us according to you. The richest deserve special treatment according to you.
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According to liberals, everybody has to make sacrifices, including the wealthy, to get us out of this terrible economy even if that includes higher taxes.
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Words, my friend, have meaning. They are not just cool sounds to make with your mouth or pretty little pictures made out of letters. They have definitions.

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“Modern Conservatism started with William F Buckey in the 1950 and is not related to British conservatism in a political sense.”
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Buckley, a serious anglophile, would have been thrilled to tell you that he was no an inventor of anything but continuing a tradition losing it’s place on the national stage.
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Margaret Thatcher will be happy to correct you on your theory that English Conservatism is not the same as Ronald Reagan’s conservatism. They were political twins.

Correction, “Good friends”.
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You I might call a “goof friend” not the people I knew years ago in college.

rdw56.
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Please find an economist to tell me that I have been “crushed” by you.
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I knew more from my high school economics class than you know.
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“Barak conceded nearly 80-yr positions on keynsian stimulus and progressive tax rates admitting they are bad for economic growth. Obama’s position now is the same as Sarah’s.”
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The President and Sarah Palin now agree on economic issues?
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Tell me rdw, what is it like to be high on Crystal meth.
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Considering I never even smoked grass, it would be difficult for you to explain, but, please try. It would help me understand your posts.

“That elitists tag gets under your skin doesn’t it?”
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Only because it would be like a Nazi calling the prime minister of Israel a Jew hater or Gorbachev calling Ronald Reagan a leftist communist.
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I would hate it if you called Manhattan rural farmland, Alaska a Southern state, etc, etc.
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Words have meaning.
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If you do not know the meaning, look it up.
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You’re definition of elitist seems to be “people who don’t call liberals stupid and call some conservatives and/or conservative ideas stupid”.
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Please locate a word in the English language which means this and I will agree that I do not find liberal/progressive ideas stupid, I do find many conservative ideas stupid and I find several conservatives such as GWB, Palin and Regan stupid.
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Bush Sr I never thought was stupid.
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Buckley was a very, very intelligent man whom I very seldom agreed with. He was not stupid, but he was, obviously, very conservative.

yes, I call you a child. this is like a temper tantrum only dumber. There’s no logic or common sense. You didn’t answer my question, what does 200x’s smarter mean? That is some thing a 9-yr old might say. You are right about one thing. Joe biden is a gasbag.

come pat, i said citified. you grew up in the burbs. You at least saw game animals. I grew up in philly, taking out the zoo I saw my 1st deer at age 25. meat was something you got at the supermarket along with potatoes. Citified doesn’t just mean you grew up in the city but you are so city when you open the roast beef package and that red stuff starts leaking you get faint.

Margaret Thatcher will be happy to correct you on your theory that English Conservatism is not the same as Ronald Reagan’s conservatism. They were political twins.

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Maggie and Ronnie were close ideologically but there was only one Maggie. They moved toward toward socialism before and after her.

messiah interview http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/photo.php?fbid=102069176532563&set=a.102069156532565.3338.100001884428314

“You at least saw game animals.”
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Dogs?
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Squirrels?
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Only in the mid 1980s when I was a teenager, after hunting further East in Connecticut was more limited and hungry deer came into my town did I see them.
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I was about fifteen years old when I saw an animal besides a dog or horse outside of the Bronx Zoo.
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Central Park has police on horseback and their is horse riding school in Brooklyn, so, I don’t count horses either.
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Staten Island has a large population of wild turkeys – and I don’t mean the Tea Party (although they are there, too) and SI is part of NYC.
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“Citified doesn’t just mean you grew up in the city but you are so city when you open the roast beef package and that red stuff starts leaking you get faint.”
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There goes tens of thousands of low wage earning Democrats who work in restaurants from your definition of “certified liberal”.
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How about this: my father (who was, actually a Republican – so this was an exception) didn’t let us even play with water pistols. There were so many post Vietnam stories in the 1970s and 1980s of people going postal and tragic stories about irresponsible gun owners leaving their gun loaded on the kitchen table for their confused very young children mistaking it for a toy to murder each other by accident that he was terrified what would happen if we started on the slippery slope of water pistols. (He may have not taken the conservative view of guns, but, without using that term, believed in slippery slopes such that he figured if we started with water pistols at age 8 we’d have M-16s around the house by age 15).

“There’s no logic or common sense.”
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You wouldn’t know logic if it bit you on the ass.

“Maggie and Ronnie were close ideologically but there was only one Maggie. They moved toward toward socialism before and after her.”
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England may have gotten into better funding “socialized medicine” (AKA single payer health care) but the conservative party of England to this day admires Reagan.
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English Conservative Party = The American Republican Party minus Republican’s ability to fool the poor into voting for them sometimes + a Conservative Party admission that socialized medicine is better than what the US had had before Obama.

Patrick,
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There’s nothing atheist about rdw. Most ideologues need some kind of deep belief. RDW denies basic social science like the one book he reads is gospel. He’s just like pretend doctor earl. In other words he define his position by what he’s expert on. In this case people are mean to Sarah when they attack her quasi religious humbug (none which is very anchored in real Christian faith) he think it’s mean because he’s the expert on not being religious.
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Generally people who call themselves atheists are also atheists because they believe in the factual representation of the world around them. I’m not saying they’re more accurate, but atheist for better or worse generally try to remove the myth out of the explanation.
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RDW just removes anything objectionable to his dogmatic viewpoint regardless if he’s wrong or not.

“I don’t buy political books, nor read them. Sarah would not be my candidate but she is fascinating. How does someone so nice herself generate so much raw hatred? Liberals go banana’s just at the sound of her name. How many of you are thinking, “if she wins I’ll leave the country”.
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Funny, you dont read political books yet you read a book that completely 180 what we know about political science simply because it fits your world view. I don’t hate Sarah. When I read this blog I find more libtard and idiot and dummy on the reactionary trolls side, with a side dish of dummy back when warranted. If you measure hatred by the amount of ‘hate’ out there I’d say your side loves hatred. To the point that your side threatens violance, such as 2nd amendment rights solutions. We don’t. The best we can think of is to not vote or move to Canada.
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I personally don’t understand the worship you and others have of someone that can’t even articulate your own ideology. She has to write it on the inside of her palm. Take 3 decades of that policy and whenever did you see a republican stumble on the very nothing of tax policy? She does. When she tries to articulate the core foundation of the conservative movement she uses 15 more sentences and it comes out as mash potatoes.
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Thats not me hating her. That’s me wondering why you guys are some fascinated by her? In fact by what you write and others like you it’s seems that ‘she’s so succesful now who’s dumb?’ You equate the ability to make money of gullible people as smart. I guess that’s true. But she still can’t articulate the philosophical base of your movement. So who’s really dumb?
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You for being smithen by an induvidual who bilk you of your money while wholly unable to articulate your beliefs or me for not giving her one cent or feel not one single sweat of worry about her running. I fact I implore her. I want her to run. I want her to run and even win GOP primary. So when the American people see her, again, for just how intellectually incurious she is and that she can’t articulate your vision, that the dems could even run a dog catcher and win.
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Face it – you have decided the the most intellectually corrupt such as Joe the plumber and Sarah Palin represent what you stand for than a true conservative philosophy. And you don’t seem to mind since you seems so incurious yourself.

“That elitists tag gets under your skin doesn’t it? It should. You people look down your nose at Sarah Palin calling her stupid and a liar and every name in the book while she’s just one of the nicest people pulling in bags of cash. You suggest she cannot read. You mock yourself with your snobbery. She can’t read she can only print money. You are the smart one.
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You define elitist. That’s someone with an inflated opinion of themselves with no possible justification. That’s her picture on the cover not any of yours.”
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Call me elitist please. I’m not entirely sure you know what that means, but if that means that I’m ‘smarter’ than you it’s not half bad. Not that I am, but if that’s the worst insult you can make, I’m all for it. I don’t look down my nose at Sarah. Why should I. She’s no better or worse than me. I don’t call her stupid – intellectually incurious. And she can read. She just won’t do it. Not even conservatives for dummies. She’s like the one person in the end of a long line where each and one whispers what a conservative is and by the time they reach her they say sausage and she spends 5 minutes explaining sausage.
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Don’t take my word for it. Listen to her interviews. You guys called it gotcha, but it’s not the interviewers that makes her sound like mashed potatoes. She did it to herself.
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Reading your exchange with Patrick, it’s clear that you like Sarah can’t really articulate your own conservative views very well without making it a case about intelligence and money.
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And that pretty much sums up the current modern GOP as they put money before intelligent common sense solutions and call it ‘smart’.

Sarah Palin will not be the Republican Candidate for President in 2012.
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American citizens having experienced the disaster of having a totally inexperienced person as President for four years will not elect another inexperienced person to this post in 2012.
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As I have said many times, Wisdom is the Combination of Education and Experience. Obama had the education but totally lacked the experience to be President. That’s why his administration has been a total disaster.
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Palin also lacks the experience to be President but is very good at being a media star. Her acting like she is going to run is part of the game of being a media star. It keeps her name in front of the public and keeps the millions rolling in.
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All you Libs are a great help to her with all your hateful comments towards her and her family. You only make her more popular with Middle America who sees you as Arrogant, Elitists who spread hate towards anyone who doesn’t share your political views.
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The Republican candidate will be a person with considerable experience in government and probably with a good deal of business management experience.

Science is not hard or complicated and understanding the lack of science surrounding global warming is something even a child can understand. When you use a quack like Al Gore to piitch your product it’s because that’s what it is. GW isn’t about science and never was. It’s about money and control. The folks down in Cancun are partying like there’s not tomorrow because for them the gravy train is ending. The GOP will soon cut off the flow of cash and the Brits already have. Europeans simply don’t have the money. They never had a case. The data simple isn’t there. All of their predictions to date have been wrong. It’s D E A D.

“Liberals are unreal. You could lose 80 elections in a row and still thing you are smarter. Both of her parents are teachers. It makes sense she’d never read. Teachers are so anti-reading. You people mock yourselves. Gore still thinks he beat Bush in the debates and Kerry still can’t believe he lost to that idiot.”
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Lets see how empirical data and logic works.
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You see 100 black dogs. You say all dogs are black. You see 1 white dog. You would still assume all dogs are black because according to the above, if someone lose 80 elections it means that they’re wrong. No data to back that up. Forgetting of course that YOU lost last election but never declared that you’re wrong. Did you? So you ignore all data WHY democrats lost to make the one point you can’t support.
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Sarah parents read. Sarah never indicates that she reads let alone WHAT she reads. She reads everything but can’t really articulate all that she reads. I don’t know if she does. I guess she does but she doesn’t seem to arrive to what she does based on anything she does read. You assume she does because her parents are teachers. To you causation…that someone reads means that someone else does it to.
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I assume that’s why people such as yourself believes that Obama is both a radical muslim, Kenyan AND radical christian or that you can believe that fascism and socialism are both the same and on the left. I’m generalizing you see, but I can see that based on what you write. Not that it’s true, nor accurate, but I’m using your form of logic instead of supporting it with empiric data or logic.
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For the final ‘you people mock yourself’. Then you define that by Gore thinks and Kerry thinks. We’re not Gore and Kerry. We’re induviduals. Unless we express that Gore won, or that we like Kerry think, we’re not. Just as you’re not every dumb@ss person on your political spectrum unless you also say so. You’re generalizing. When I call you a ideologue it’s because you mock your own sense of conservatism. You say you are one (ideology) but you trip all over you showing that you don’t really believe in it. Like Sarah. You say you are but you can only artifically articulate it. Like small government. Induvidualism. But if I would ask you for a more philosophical reason you always go back to mashed potatoes. A bunch of nonsense talking points that end up with ‘libruls are bad’.
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My dad is a diehard conservative. I’ve yet to hear him mangle one single talking point. He can articulate a conservative view without mentioning one single word about liberals. He don’t define what he believes in by what I believe in. I might not believe the same as he does, but he never articulate his viewpoints by making it a opposition of what I think. He don’t mind agreeing with me as long as it’s part of his core beliefs.
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You and freeinpa? You hate us. You define everything you are as ‘we’re not liberals’ no matter how morally corrupt that might be or if it’s a logical fallacy. To the point that you define yourself as patriots and pro-americans and regardless of what I believe I am anti-american.
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So to sum it up. I might be an elitist @sshole in your view but you’re just an incurious idiot in mine. Not defined by how dumb or succesful you are but because you view a fellow citizen by what party he or she votes for as the primary reason for your hatred and not a intellectual gap to be bridged to find solutions. I still don’t hate you as I don’t hate any Americans for any reasons. And that’s pretty much all there is.

Pat,

Get over Kerry, he lied through his teeth about his exploits. Worse. he lied poorly. In one of the great media ironies of all time the liberal press lavished praise on his anti-war efforts and characterized him as a war hero while never doing a second of fact checking. He told his Xmas in Cambodia story about Nixon lying about being in Cambodia and that being a turning point in his life because he was sitting there on xmas eve in cambodia, listening to Nxion lie to the American people and by golly he wasn’t going to let NIxon get away with it.

The press accepted the story immediately without a shred of skepticism. Too bad. They came off as stupid poodles when a conservative figured out Kerry in in Nam Xmas of 68 and Nixon wasn’t President. The widely repeated story wasn’t just fraud it was a really bad one almost on the level of Dan Rather.

Bush didn’t beat Kerry. The MSM beat Kerry.

I don’t think he had the education. so much of what he knows is wrong. Perhaps with more experience he’s have learned sooner as he has finally learned on govt stimulus and taxes but look at his nutty foreign policy. Obama got his education inside a bubble and absorbed without any skepticism. If you go to schools as ideologically biased as the Ivy League without skepticism you’ll come out with more fact but could easily be the worse off for it.

Look, I didn’t come up with the Tag on the dems as the party of cut and run but it fits. The delicious irony of the liberal stance on Iraq was they had to aggressively support Afghanistan or the pussy label would be applied. So Obama and others always used Afghanistan as an example of their willingness to wage wage. Then Bush forces the surge down their throats wins in Iraq, it calms down and Afghanistan heats up and Obama has to maintain his long held position or look the fool.

Liberals do not support Afghanistan. Obama will not campaign to maintain public support. Democrats by a large majority want to leave. Obama is politically boxed in by his own actions as a Senator and candidate. The good news is with Petraeus we’re going to win there as well and how cool is that. Obama has to use GWBs Generals.

You and freeinpa? You hate us.
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I don’t hate you. I do think you are stupid but you are stupid in an entertaining way. I enjoy watching the Palin thing not because of her but because of the rise she gets out of liberals. She’s all sweetness and light and she bring out the vile in liberals. I think that’s just terrific for my side. Liberals can’t get above 20% in any polling in large part because you are so unattractive as people. There is something flawed in your character when you hate someone because they disagree with her and it’s exceptionally vile when you go after her kids. Time has her on the cover because they need to get that rise. She sells Time knows their audience. Conservatives don’t buy Time.

David Letterman on his show told a cruel and disgusting joke about Palins 14yr old daughter and the audience laughed. It’s without question th most famous joke of his entire career for all of the wrong reasons. It was vile and cruel. What would possibly cause a 60-yr old man, wealthy and comfy beyong belief, to trash a young girl who no matter what you think of her mom can’t be held as anything but innocent. Could it be a keen understanding of his liberal audience? They did laugh.

All of this works against you. You might own NYC and LA but you don’t own much else and you never will. Obama is retreating on all fronts. Your circular firing squad has formed.

rdw56,
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His education is based on theory. Experience is what teaches you how to function in the real world and through trial and error you learn what really works and what doesn’t
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When in college both at the under graduate and graduate level, I found that the best professors were those that had worked in the real world and then became a college professor. They knew how things really worked in the real world. The professors I had that had not worked in the real world tended to be “elitist know it all’s” who probably could not have made a living in the real world.

Pat,

note the distinction of modern liberals or post-68 liberals. Go read JFKs inaugural speech. He’s not liberal in the modern context. He’s willing to bear any burden to defend democracy. The post-68 democrat party does not believe democracies are superior in any way to any other form of govt and that it’s rude to even say so.

What this means is Reagan the tax cutter and strong defense guy was more like JFK than Clinton or Obama could ever be. JFK thought communism was to be fought everywhere. Modern Liberals never met a communist thug or dictator they didn’t respect and like. Obama’s 1st meeting with Hugo chavez was far more energetic and upbeat than with Gordon Brown or Netanyahu. Kennedy would have assassinated Hugo by now.

I agree with all of that but there is still a need for any student to think for themselves. I don’t think I was 10yrs old when on my own socialism made no sense. My father was a hard working man who banked his overtime checks for years until he had enough money to buy a vacation home. He also did all of his home repairs and side jobs when other fathers took it easy. Liberals would punish him with higher taxes and socialist would take it all. These are smart people in these universities but too many are not thinkers and Obama is one of them.

Palin also lacks the experience to be President but is very good at being a media star.

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I agree with you here but if the choice is between her and Obama she’s vastly more experienced compared to him when he came in and she’s the far superior thinker. She’s not in my top 5 of GOP candidates but the celebrity brings her many advantages. I think our best case scenario is she stay outside the process and with the tea party constantly remind the people we send to Washington the reason why they were chosen.

For the final ‘you people mock yourself’. Then you define that by Gore thinks and Kerry thinks. We’re not Gore and Kerry. We’re induviduals.

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You are individuals who nominated them for President. You made Al Gore your chief spokesman for global warming. The man was/is a known gasbag. The man is a carbon pig lecturing the great unwashed THEY have to cut their energy use and YOU take him seriously. Anyone who takes Al Gore seriously is a fool.

“Could it be a keen understanding of his liberal audience? They did laugh.
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All of this works against you. You might own NYC and LA but you don’t own much else and you never will. Obama is retreating on all fronts. Your circular firing squad has formed.”
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This perfectly articulate my point that you missed by 100 miles.
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You equate a boorish bad joke against Palins daughter as a political point against liberals and in extension me.
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Did I laugh? Did I agree? Did i even articulate that point in my rant?
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“For the final ‘you people mock yourself’. Then you define that by Gore thinks and Kerry thinks. We’re not Gore and Kerry. We’re induviduals.

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You are individuals who nominated them for President. You made Al Gore your chief spokesman for global warming. The man was/is a known gasbag. The man is a carbon pig lecturing the great unwashed THEY have to cut their energy use and YOU take him seriously. Anyone who takes Al Gore seriously is a fool.”
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I nominated Al Gore? I made him a chief spokesman for global warming?
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Again – you miss my point with a 100 miles. I don’t question your so called conservative beliefs – i question your ability to articulate it for what it stands for – as you now illustrate over and over it seems defines as what you think liberals are (all of us) not what you actually stand for.
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You’re an ideologue. A do as I say, not what I do. You’re like Rush – no roots firmly planted in conservatism, but his idea of conservatism and when it doesn’t square with conservatism (lack of integrity) he either moves the goal posts or he blames it on liberals.
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That’s alright – you can define yourself by pretending that you’re opposite of whatever I write and that I am everything you fantasy about what I am based on what others are, but you’re still not right.
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I don’t own NYC. I don’t own LA. I have a personal opinion that I try to anchor in a basis of idealism (my beliefs) and facts.
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You have mythos. You believe. I am like all those other ones because it’s easier to slay a dragon with a cannon if it’s big and the head breathes fire, eventhough the tail is curled around an infant protecting it.
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But let me spell out that image since I don’t want to confuse you.
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You believe that the liberal head will kill you with that fire. You don’t know that for a fact. You don’t care if other liberals might have other beliefs because they’re liberals. And all liberals breath fire. They’re not like induvidual organisms part of the same body like ‘conservatisms’. I mean the ideology of conservatism as you see it is about induvidualism and as you think liberals is that they’re like parading together like gay people and socialists.
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I hate to break it to you. But for me induvidualism, that is being human and American far outweights my need to be your comical understanding of us vs you’isms.
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I’m American first. I don’t belong to tribes and don’t identify myself as a real american vs anti americans. I think that’s childish and typical of people who can’t articulate a deeper understanding of life than eat, sh!t, sleep, fart, screw, hunt and die.
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Sorry – that’s just a lot deeper – lets just say I’m a liberal socialist dragon breathing fire and you’re a real patriot pro american cannon.
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I wouldn’t want your head to explode from the realization that we’re all part of the same organism.

It seems to me that for many on the right “elitist” means somebody who has a very good education. Obama is an elitist becasue he attended Harvard. But GWB went to Yale and isn’t considered an elite by the right. Maybe it has something to do with grades as well? Obama was an excellent student while GWB was a “C” student; as was McCain at the Naval Academy. The Right has a huge problem with truly intelligent people being in power. Though Obama isn’t behaving all that intelligently at the moment

Funny, you dont read political books yet you read a book that completely 180 what we know about political science simply because it fits your world view.

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You must be talking about Liberal Fascism. I read it because the subject is interesting. The press and liberal academiams so distorted the history of the last century I felt the need to relearn many things. To me fascism never fit as a religion of the right. The core issue of conservatism is small govt. Which is what classical liberalism was about. It was about individual rights and protections and the entity they needed protection from is the state. The right in 2010 is by every definition small government and Fascism is by everything big government. Fascism then is by definition a religion of the left. What Goldberg did to further define fascism as a religion of the left was to trace it’s beginnings back to progressivism and to Wilson and the progressive era and note all of the Democrats of the day had a fondness for fascism. What Wilson did to Debs and thousands of others is pure fascism. As is what FDR did to the Japanese. As were many of his New Deal programs.

What Golberg has done is amazing and much of what Beck has done and continues to do s also amazing. It’s very hard in 2010 to make the case fascism was a religion of the right. It’s simply not true. It’s also rather shocking given what we know Hillary tried to recast herself as a progressive. Granted she can’t very well call herself liberal and expect to get elected but relying on people not knowing what a progessive is, isn’t a horrible move but now that term is useless.

Sarah does very little of the “writing” for anything. Her first book was written by a ghost writer. And it is widely known that most of her twitter and facebook posts are written by others usimg words and phrasing that Palin would use. If Palin actually made all those posts herself, she’d not have time for anything else.

I nominated Al Gore? I made him a chief spokesman for global warming?

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Obviously no one can know if you voted for Al or not but he represented your party in the election and he’s been the chief spokesman for GW forever. If if you are a liberal or a democrat he is your guy like it or not. The fact is he is a mainstream down the line liberal.

I nominated Al Gore? I made him a chief spokesman for global warming?

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Obviously no one can know if you voted for Al or not but he represented your party in the election and he’s been the chief spokesman for GW forever. If if you are a liberal or a democrat he is your guy like it or not. The fact is he is a mainstream down the line liberal. Just as important he’s a fabulous target He defines elitist with his listen to what I say just don’t expect me to listen to what I say act.

Sorry – that’s just a lot deeper
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Actually it’s not at all deep. It’s superficial. Almost comically superficial. This is a blog about politics. Our politics are aligned by party and there are only two relevant parties. We gain political power by organizing as groups based on our own key issues. Liberals are a subgroup of the democrat party and that’s who I mock. It’s not about individuals it’s about issues and positions groups have taken. If you are part of that group your individuality is no longer relevant. To the extent you use a leader or spokesperson their individualism isn’t a fact except to the extent of their qualities and performance.

I say David Letterman is a pig and his audience are pigs and anyone who support him and laughs at cruel jokes is a pig. Those attacking Sarah Palin are almost always liberal and those attacking her kids even moreso.

It’s is obviously and unquestionably stupid to call Sarah Palin stupid. Disagreeing with her policies are fair game but one simply cannot have accomplished all she has accomplished all she has accomplished being stupid. People who do this are blind haters and they mock themselves. It’s not complicated.

BTW: Regarding Letterman Palin totally dominated their post-joke ‘debate’ when she said essentially he was a pig and if he had any class he would apologize. Not to her because she didn’t care but to her daughter and his audience. David resisted for almost a week. His 1st effort was to suggest he was talking about the 18-yr old rather than her younger sister. OH well, that makes it better. Then after Palin explained to him his excuse was pathetic and irrelevant he waited a few days and to his credit he made a real apology, with passion, and manned up. Letterman is a smart guy who’s been at this for 4 decades and he’s at the top of his game. He was outsmarted in every way by Sarah Palin who never lost her temper or her poise. She humiliated him. The rube from Alaska humiliated the wealthy, hip, oh so NYC liberal but you think she’s the dumb one.

I’ll say it again. You people mock yourselves. I’ll guarrantee you this. David Letterman doesn’t think Sarah Palin is stupid. Something else that makes this fun for conservatives. While Letterman is trashing Palins kid as a slut he’s banging all of his female employees. Is he a liberal or what?????

hippooath, responded to 31.5 at 44. meant to keep it within this thread. my mistake. one of my exceedingly rare mistakes. Except for spelling which doesn’t count. With my fantastically quick mind who could realistically expect my hands to keep up?

I apologize. Here I thought we were Americans first. I see that your tribe is more important than you as an American.
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“I’ll say it again. You people mock yourselves. I’ll guarrantee you this. David Letterman doesn’t think Sarah Palin is stupid. Something else that makes this fun for conservatives. While Letterman is trashing Palins kid as a slut he’s banging all of his female employees. Is he a liberal or what?????”
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Thanks for proving my point. You’re not talking about what you oppose in my argument, you’re arguing against some kind of liberal monster where I have something to do with a bad and stupid joke, someone owe someone a apology and the rube from Alaska humiliated something. And We (liberals I assume_ mock ourselves.
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Do you see any irony in that statement.
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And here’s the best part -

“Actually it’s not at all deep. It’s superficial. Almost comically superficial.”
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I make a analogy of a dragon you’re slaying but it’s comically superficial compared to me ‘the liberal’ having something to do with a joke you didn’t like.
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Unreal.

Do you see any irony in that statement.

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I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. This politcal blog post was about Sarah Palin, the most dynamic political personality alive today with a large number of fans and haters. The liberal habit is to declare all conservative presidents / candidates are stupid. I’m here to point out all liberals who do so are stupid and your response is, “we’re all Americans”. No kidding. So? What’s that have to do with anything?

Rdw56,
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For what seems like the hundredth time, if you wish to refute scientific fact, use science and reason, not random talking points.
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You have two groups:
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One group has 100% of their income totally dependent upon the sale of petrolatum products. This group chose a profession, as many of us must and some of us chose to, to collect the highest possible paycheck.
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The other group is made up of people – at least one third of them from well off families and do not need much of an income – who had foregone choosing the most profitable graduate degrees such as MBAs, Law degrees and medical school to pursue their fascination. In order to be a in this group, you must be near the top of your class from high school through your PhD. Many of these people have spent their lives loving the praise from friends and relatives for their knowledge. They love to be right. So far, the evidence they have been gathering since 1967, however, puts them at odds with one of the largest businesses in the world.
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So, which one is prone to taking more money in exchange for changing their opinions, the people who get paid in praise for knowledge or the people who get paid in money and bonuses?
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Add on that the first group has salaries ten times higher than the second group.
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The first group, who may not be dishonest people in their nature, are employees of oil companies. Their lives and wealth would be ruined if climate change were real.
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Academics can easily prove that the world’s climate is changing even if the average temperature over a one year period worldwide were not – as it is – going up every single year. These are unusually difficult people to bribe who, if the results dictate such, could find another reason for climate change and continue to have funded research and do not have their employment 100% tied to one result or another.
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So, who do I trust more: a group of people who work with the primary motivation being income and have chosen the highest paying job they are qualified for but have an economic loaded gun to their heads if climate change is real or, academics who ignore money in favor of being right about something and can easily continue their work with different results?
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Please tell me why I should trust oil executives more than climatologists, the British Parliament, British and American courts?
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If you can not find me a good reason, just STFU and admit that you are not using reason at all, just love the sound of Rush Limbaugh’s voice.

“You must be talking about Liberal Fascism. I read it because the subject is interesting. The press and liberal academiams so distorted the history of the last century I felt the need to relearn many things.”
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So, let me get this straight:
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First, you did not like the idea that a very extreme version of nationalism – as conservatives are the more nationalistic of the two democratic ideologies – militarism – which of the two democratic ideologies is much stronger among conservatives – leads to very non-democratic fascism.
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Second, you ignored a century of research proving that liberals were the earliest victims of fascism and conservatives were tolerated if they did not push for free elections too much by fascists.
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Third, you found a book which told you exactly what you wanted to hear, but was no backed by those who had spent their entire lives doing research on such ideas.
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Fourth, you turn around and say that the whole world is distorted except one oddball who calls liberals fascists.
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Then you would like me to believe that you are sane.

“I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.”
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This is news?
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rdw56, this is the norm.
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You have this bizarre concept that all things you deem to be liberal are all one person cloned tens of millions of times over.
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When he is a political success like Reagan, you call him conservative. When he is a failure like Hoover, you make excuses.
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When there is a very successful liberal such as JFK or Truman, you claim that they are not liberals.
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You have no clue as to what is going on here.
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You border on incoherent all of the time.

“…. He’s not liberal in the modern context. He’s willing to bear any burden to defend democracy…”
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Correction, since he is willing to bear the burden of democracy, unlike using his brother in Florida to cheat on a presidential election or to use lies to get us into a war to assist his re-election, this is proof that he is a liberal.

do you see any irony in that statement.

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I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. This politcal blog post was about Sarah Palin, the most dynamic political personality alive today with a large number of fans and haters. The liberal habit is to declare all conservative presidents / candidates are stupid. I’m here to point out all liberals who do so are stupid and your response is, “we’re all Americans”. No kidding. So? What’s that have to do with anything?

Still pissed about Bush – Gore? Good!

Pat, modern conservatism started in the 50′s and the 1st and really only conservative President was Reagan. GHWB is more of a moderate and his son a fiscal liberal but otherwise conservative. GWB was not a small govt guy. Ford and Nixon were not conservatives. They were republicans.

“Get over Kerry, he lied through his teeth about his exploits..”
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Please inform Wikipedia among many other sources of information that Kerry lied.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_career_of_John_Kerry
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You have a group funded by oil billionaire T Boon Pickens – who clearly fears losing everything if climate change legislation were to be passed and feared a John Kerry victory (rather than losing by 2%) who claimed that Kerry was not a war hero. There was no credible evidence backing those oil dollar funded ads.
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“The delicious irony of the liberal stance on Iraq was they had to aggressively support Afghanistan or the pussy label would be applied.”
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It was 1985 when I finished junior high school and last feared being called “a pussy” by morons.
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World War II: US got attacked. Democrats lead an all out war to destroy the attackers.
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Korea: America gets entangled with a communist attack against an ally. Half of Korea supports communism and can not be converted. China and the Soviet union both with nuclear weapons back communists. Situation ends where most of those who prefer democracy get to live in democratic South Korea. War stops at stalemate because the US was not attacked.
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Vietnam: cost of winning the war would be several times higher than World War II but there is no even remote possibility of Vietnam attacking the US. Democrats give up an cut our losses. Republicans stick their head in the sand and their flags in the air.
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First Gulf War: Saudi Arabia offers cheap oil to the US if we can join their Arab allies with a Western coalition to remove recently former US puppet (and winner of the Key to the City of Detroit) Saddam Husein. Republicans risk American lives in barter for Saudi oil. Democrats are reluctant to trade US soldier’s lives for Saudi oil.
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Afghanistan: Terrorists attack US soil. Democrats wish to fight to the death against enemy.
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Gulf War II: Bush knows from his father that to win an election you must be in a new war while running a re-election campaign. Embarrassed that his father nakedly sold US soldier’s lives not for democracy but for oil and didn’t even remove former puppet Husein, who got paid by Ronald Reagan to slaughter the Kurds in 1988 with our tax money asks for an excuse. Fearing repercussions, CIA finds data from the proverbial trash bin and gives it to Bush who treats it like it is written in stone. Democrats do not wish to kill random people costing American lives so that Republicans can win elections.
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This is not a pussy.
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BTW Your a gaylord. (If you wish to use junior high school names, gaylord was my favorite for people like you.)

also note liberalism turned in 1968 from anti-communist, strong defense, aggressive foreign policy to defend american interests, capitalism and democracy to pro-socialist, almost-isolationalist, apologetic and weak foreign policy behind a reduced military. Modern liberals see themselves as citizens of the world. JFK was a citizen of the USA. He would reject Obama’s foreign policy and be disgusted at his apology tours and warm meetings with thugs like Chavez.

Obama: Columbia University.
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Palin: several state schools.
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Obama: worked for non-profit.
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Palin: worked at husband’s unprofitable business ventures including being the “CEO” of a car wash.
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Obama: President of the Harvard Law review.
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Palin: small town sportscaster.
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Obama: thrived at high paying prestigious Chicago Law firm.
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Palin: became mayor of small town.
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Obama: became professor at very high ranking law school.
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Palin: became governor of state with fewer people than New York’s least populated borough of Staten Island.
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Obama: became US Senator from one of the most populated states.
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Palin: failed vice presidential candidate.
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Obama: successful presidential candidate.
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Palin: quit being governor under cloud of controversy.
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Obama: continuing as president but struggling with bad economy.
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Sorry, who lacked experience and education?

“You made Al Gore your chief spokesman for global warming.”
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Then everything GWB said is what you believe – no exceptions either.
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You must, also, be a trust fund kid who had had years of drinking problems just as your spokesman did.

“I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.”
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Twice in one post?
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Maybe if you are so easily confused you should sit down, get a glass of water and read carefully.
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Many of us are very bright people here who all have the humility to use the knowledge of academic experts like economists, climatologist and economists for our sources of information.
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If you got your source of information from such a place you would no longer be so confused.

“Still pissed about Bush – Gore? Good!”
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No.
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Why would you say I am pissed off when I just tell you simple facts?

“Pat, modern conservatism started in the 50′s and the 1st and really only conservative President was Reagan.”
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This makes no sense.
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If there were no conservatives before Buckley, then what was General Douglas McArthur?
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What was Joseph McCarthy?
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This makes no sense.
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“…also note liberalism turned in 1968 from anti-communist, strong defense, aggressive foreign policy to defend american interests, capitalism and democracy to pro-socialist, almost-isolationalist, apologetic and weak foreign policy behind a reduced military.”
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Really?
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Then why did military spending remain the same under Carter as it was under Ford and why was it not until the fall of the Soviet Union that there was a slight, temporary drop in spending?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:PerCapitaInflationAdjustedDefenseSpending.PNG
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You have no facts.
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Carter spent just like Kennedy. Johnson, Nixon and Ford did on the military.
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Ford on communist countries: attacked none.
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Carter on communist countries: attacked none.
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Reagan: attacked island of Granada for three days.
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Bush Sr: attacked Panama to arrest former puppet turned drug deals (unrelated to communism).
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Clinton: fought last vestiges of fascism in the former Yugoslavia.
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Bush Sr.: defensive war against Afghanistan. Attacked Iraq to get re-elected.
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Who is supposed to be tough on what?

I’m not confused. She is. I could read that 100x’s. Wouldn’t matter.

Did you see Kat’s remarks in her article?

PETA picking a fight with someone certainly isn’t new. That said, knowing Palin’s uncanny ability to turn attacks/weaknesses/note-taking controversies into strengths, they’re likely only making this particular foe more adored by her fans.

Katy gets Palin isn’t stupid.

She succeeds at gathering huge amounts of attention to herself and grabbing as much money as she can from people like you.
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That is not similar to what we need in POTUS.
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For me, you will notice that nearly every remark I made was about you, previous presidents and historical figures you brought up and very little about Palin other than my showing Textee how, in terms of looks, flattering it is for her to be mimicked by Tina Fey.
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Tina Fey is hotter and younger.
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I can find a huge amount of things to comment on about you rwd and 3X, but Palin…. not so much.

Because it’s not about Palin. It’s about the reaction she generates which is what Katy is getting at in 45. The reaction from the whacky left. It’s hilarious when people call her stupid. The irony is priceless. Mayor, Governor, media sensation, kingmaker, amazingly successful business woman. Anyone calling Sarah Palin stupid is stupid. There is no other explanation. You have to be stupid to say such a thing. One doesn’t have to know a thing about her policies or anything she’s ever said. She is without question a very successful person.

BTW: You are crazy about Tina. She’s admitted she’s not in Palin’s league.

You make these weird analogies that make no sense. Gore is a chronic liar and gasbag. Many liberals attribute his failure in 2000 to a series of mostly stupid exaggerations and some outright lies about trivial stuff. What I think of Gore has nothing to so with Bush. Bush clean his clock in the debate in part because Gore was such an obnoxious ass.

My reference to Palins wealth is to wreck any suggestion she’s stupid. You’re comeback was Oprah makes moreso she’s smarter. So? What’s the point? Who cares? Who said Palin is smarter or as smart than Oprah or any of the other wealthy people you named?

My point was that it’s obvious to any rational person Palin isn’t stupid. It’s just as obvious that anyone calling her stupid has to be pretty stupid. That’s a direct and very easy connection. You didn’t bring up anything relevant to that point. Saying because Oprah makes 200x’s as much means she’s 200x’s as smart is so dumb as to be childish. I never said how smart Palin is or compared her to anyone else. I just took the most obvious fact we all know and agree on as proof, proof beyond any shred of doubt, that she is not stupid. It was never about her it was about you. My point was that people calling her stupid are stupid.

My other point about liberal stupidity is your embrace of Al Gore as your spokeman on GW. The man is an energy whore. You know this. It’s common knowledge. He owns a mansion in TN generating massive energy bills. He owns a bigger mansion in CA and he owns a huge houseboat in Nevada and probably a lot more. Al doesn’t walk between these places and he doesn’t fly commercial. It’s utterly preposterous to take such a man seriously on global warming. You made him what he is now you own him.

One other note on Al Gore and GW. One of the best sites out there for researching GW is http://www.wattsupwiththat.com. I’m sure you’ve never seen it but it’s very widely followed and has been the go to sight for GW for many years. They have been instrumental in publicizing the many frauds and exaggerations endemic this this so-called science. If you were aware of the sight you would have known all about Michael Mann of penn state and Dr. Phil Jones of the Univ of East Anglia long before the emails were published. He has much to do with making Steven McINtyre so famous. Steve is the retired mining engineer who discovered Manns hockey stick was based on flawed statistical methods and while finding that out engaged in 5-yr battle to force Mann and Jones to release their data under the freedom of information act. One of the central scandals of climategate was their refusal to cooperate with Mcintyre. He came to understand in each case they either lost much of their source data or were using some that had already been discredited. Jones lost tapes when he moved labs but would not admit it knowing the data was then invalid. Mann also had to discard some of his data for the same reason. The emails exposed them as arrogant jerks as well as very sloppy scientists. Andrew Revlin of the NYTs during one episode of McIntyre detailing Manns refusal to release his data emailed Mann to ask him how he should respond in his column. That’s not journalism and he was rebuked by their ombudsman.

But one of the cool events to come will be I think next summer when we’re supposed to be ice free in the Arctic Ocean. The simple ass did what he always did and grossly exaggerated the loss of sea ice. Anthony Watts has fantastic feeds and great charts on a number of climate related issues. His best stuff is for tracking sea ice. After a number of Freedom of Information lawsuits he’s set up a series of sites for various govt agencies to dump their newest satellite data EVERYDAY and this is from a number of countries including the UK and Denmark. You can graph this yourself going all the way back to 1979. It’s our data. Some of the charts are very well done. An unusual wind event caused an exceptionally large loss of sea ice I think in the Summer of 2006 (or 07). Al then trended this as normal. A number of serious scientists are pissed at him. It was sleazy and he’s got such a big audience it’s going to be the biggest story of 2012 when Foxs goes to the Arctic circle and see’s a lot of ice. As anyone who follow Al at this this was always going to end badly. About 40% of that loss has been replaced. After a major rebound in 2008 we’ve had normal seasons. This is going to be a big story in 2012 as every conservative media outlet rubs Al’s face in it as well as in the faces of all the Kool aid drinkers.

Also note Senator Jim Demitt has already written legislation for NASA to turn over ALL of it’s data and all work done by employees on the federal payroll. Jim is making the penalties criminal and substantial. Dr James Hanson thinks it’s his data. This legislation is also beefing up the penalties for clowns like Michael Mann of Penn State for blocking public review. Demitt wants to pan the universities from federal research funding for 10 years. This will get their attention. A number of people are working with Anthony Watts to set up privately funded ‘research’ centers to collect and review this data. Watts for years was doing this stuff by himself. He now has staff for facilitating this collection, data storage, presentation, etc. Steve McInyre is a real hero. He was forcing this stuff on his own dime. He also has his own site and is featured on wattsup quite often. there is an army of scientists who were in the private sector and not corrupted by all of the federal dollars. Mann lives in a new world. Because of climate gate he can’t print a term paper in the Penn State student paper unless he 1st disseminated every spec of data onto a public site for public review.

Your movement is dead.

Barak Obama,

If education were important we’d just elect phd’s. As Buckley noted, I’d rather be governed by the 1st 300 names in the boston phone book than the Harvard faculty. It’s what you do with the education. Being book smart is one thing. Being a thinker is quite another. Obama has proven time and again he’s not a thinker. He grew up in a left wing bubble only once holding a job in the private sector for less than a year and staying in the uber-PC academic / govt world in hyper corrupt South Chicago. We know from his stimulus plan he knows nothing of economics and from his middle east diplomacy nothing of negotiations or common sense. His foreign policy has been a disaster from Honduras, to Copenhagen to Sweden to Germany. Merkel and Harper told him to stuff his idea of global govt stimulus. He ended the GW movement and our chances of getting the olympics. His polls in Israel are under 10%.

He just had to call Bill Clinton in to rescue him. How humiliating was that?

“Being a thinker is quite another.”
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This coming from a defender of Sarah Palin and Ronald Reagan?
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“We know from his stimulus plan he knows nothing of economics ….”
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Correction, from his stimulus package we know the president is far, far too eager to bend over backwards to give in to Republicans by shrinking the size of the stimulus to keep Republican heads from exploding and giving into the Republican ideal of state and local government, found a significant share of the stimulus money being held up in state and local governments and sitting in bank accounts gathering interest while the local governments debate it to death.
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“…and from his middle east diplomacy nothing of negotiations or common sense.”
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This coming from the supporter of GWB’s party when GWB went from making an entire planet full of good will for America after 9/11 into pure anger after our invasion of Iraq (when nobody – including the English equivalent to the CIA – but much older – MI6) believed that we were anything but war mongers?
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Seriously, rdw56, with the economic mess and the international mess GWB left behind, other nations are thrilled to see Obama take over for dubbya.

“The irony is priceless. Mayor, Governor, media sensation, kingmaker, amazingly successful business woman. Anyone calling Sarah Palin stupid is stupid.”
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She became mayor of a town of 10,000 people. My neighborhood of Queens has 18,000 people. Besides, think about mayors even of major cities:
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James Michael Curley of Boston:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Michael_Curley
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He was re-elected when in jail.
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Mayor Jimmy Walker of New York who just escaped prosecution.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Walker
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Far more recently, Marion Barry of Washington DC.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marion_Barry
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Barry right now is representing more people in his section of DC than Palin represented in her whole town.
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She is the failed governor of the least populated state in the US.
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Only 17% of Alaskans would vote for her to become president.
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http://www.themudflats.net/2010/02/28/new-palin-poll-numbers-in-alaska/
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I agree with 3X more than you. (But not completely, of course).
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That is Palin is a self promotion machine. She is very good at getting attention to herself.
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BTW: when did Tina Fey say she was less attractive than Palin? Fey might be overly modest.

“Arctic Melt Opens Northwest Passage
John Roach
for National Geographic News
September 17, 2007

The famed Northwest Passage—a direct shipping route from Europe to Asia across the Arctic Ocean—is ice free for the first time since satellite records began in 1978, scientists reported Friday.

The passage is a shortcut between the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans through the Canadian Arctic. It would save valuable time and fuel for ships that now travel through the Suez Canal in Egypt or the Panama Canal in Central America.

* “Arctic Ice” in National Geographic Magazine (January 2004)
* Arctic Oil Rush Sparks Battles Over Seafloor (August 23, 2007)
* As Arctic Ice Melts, Rush Is on for Shipping Lanes, More (February 25, 2005)

Climate models had projected the passage would eventually open as warming temperatures melted the Arctic sea ice—but no one had predicted it would happen this soon.

“We’re probably 30 years ahead of schedule in terms of the loss of the Arctic sea ice,” said Mark Serreze, a senior scientist at the National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC) in Boulder, Colorado.

“We’re on this fast track of change.”

That rapid melting is ratcheting up international competition for control over the newly accessible shipping lanes and exposed natural resources.

Canada, for example, claims it has full rights over the parts of the passage that pass its territory. The U.S. and European Union say the passage is in international waters.

Meanwhile Russia laid claim to the sea floor at the North Pole this August, planting a flag there in the hopes of securing the Arctic’s potential bonanza of oil and minerals.

The opening of the Northwest Passage is clearly shown in a mosaic of 200 satellite images from the European Space Agency (ESA).

The snapshots also reveal that the Northeast Passage—a similar route that winds along Siberia’s coast instead of Canada’s—is nearly clear.

Those passages have been traversed in the past—with difficulty—including in recent years as ice cover thinned.”
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http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/09/070917-northwest-passage.html
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When a doctor tells you that you have terminal cancer, he is not gleeful when a second, third and fourth opinion prove him correct. He is pleased to be wrong.
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Sorry to tell you that Gore read the predictions of others – never calling himself anything other than a narrator of a movie he gave away the proceeds of (his money comes from working for an investment firm, not the movie or the book) – which predicted ice loss by 2010.
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The entire Northwest Passage has been navigable due to a loss of ice for three years now.
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Believe me, if it were ice free at any time in the past, from my great-great grandfather, a ship captain from Ireland, to my father (who was early retired in 1988) my family was in shipping. If the Northwest Passage was open at any time between the 1850s to 2007 somebody would have used that route to go from Europe to Asia very, very profitably.
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“Your movement is dead.”
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It isn’t a movement more than the belief in gravity or evolution is a a “movement”.
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Denying reality for evolution is a religious conservative movement.
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Denying reality about economics is a libertarian movement.
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Denying reality of global warming is a mainstream conservative movement.
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Your post is another bowl movement.

All a scam. The Northeast Passage is not open and the ice sheet has recovered 20% from it’s annual lows in Sept 2007.

http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/seaice/extent/plot.csv .

As happens with Fat Albert as soon as he opened his mouth the ice started rebuilding. The sea ice has already doubled in size since it’s 9/18/10 season low and is well into it’s refreeze cycle which will max out in march/april.

Here is an amazing site full of graphs and data and it’s updated annually. Note the number of links to other websites full of real scientists not on the federal dole doing real peer review. The internet and the surge of funding for people like Anthony Watts has changed the entire research business.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/reference-pages/sea-ice-page/

BTW: Many high school science teachers link to this site because it’s so well designed and every piece of data is open to the public. All of these kids can see the ice shelf is about 15-20% larger than when Al ran his mouth and, this is really cool, we’re not gettng any warmer. The 2nd warmest year on record is 1998 and the warmest is in the 30′s or 40′s, 1937 I think. ALL of the models predicted the warming trend of the 90′s would continue but EVERY YEAR since 1998 has been COOLER. EVERY MODEL IN 1998 was WRONG.

BTW: Dr. Joe Bastardi of accu weather is on this big time. A huge critic of Al Gore and the entire movement the good doctor does a weekly segment designed for high school science programs and all interested weather people on the Ice Cap. He’s got all of the charts and graphs too detailing the increase. Accu-weather will be roasting Albert in 2012.