In Defense of the Fox News Ban on “Public Option”

Fox News Washington managing editor Bill Sammon is under fire today for instructing his newsroom – during the height of the health care debate – not to use the term “public option.” Here’s the supposed smoking gun: an e-mail obtained by Media Matters:

From: Sammon, Bill
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 8:23 AM
To: 054 -FNSunday; 169 -SPECIAL REPORT; 069 -Politics; 030 -Root (FoxNews.Com); 036 -FOX.WHU; 050 -Senior Producers; 051 -Producers
Subject: friendly reminder: let’s not slip back into calling it the “public option”

1) Please use the term “government-run health insurance” or, when brevity is a concern, “government option,” whenever possible.
2) When it is necessary to use the term “public option” (which is, after all, firmly ensconced in the nation’s lexicon), use the qualifier “so-called,” as in “the so-called public option.”
3) Here’s another way to phrase it: “The public option, which is the government-run plan.”
4) When newsmakers and sources use the term “public option” in our stories, there’s not a lot we can do about it, since quotes are of course sacrosanct.

This amounts to “overt political activism,” according to Media Matters, who noted that two months earlier, Republican pollster Frank Luntz had appeared on Sean Hannity’s show. There, Luntz explained that the only about half of Americans opposed the “public option,” while a large majority opposed a “government option.” Hannity called this “a great point” and agreed to stop using the term “public option.”

Media critic Howard Kurtz picked up the story for a column for the Daily Beast today, in which he reports examples of Sammon’s supposed Republican bias on Fox News. Sammon’s e-mail to Fox journalists was a clear case of Fox News fighting the fight of the Republican Party, right? Well, not so fast.

Here’s what Kurtz and Media Matters fail to note: Most Americans did not understand what the “public option” was. The term, in fact, seemed almost intentionally non-descriptive. Scores of journalists asked me during the health care debate to explain to them what the public option was – and these were folks interested in the news and paying attention to the issue.

The public option would have been a government-run insurance plan some Americans could have purchased. It would have been supported by premiums with no government subsidization and would be been purely voluntary. Like Medicare, the reimbursements paid by the public option would have been set by the government. Also like Medicare, the plan would not have needed to turn a profit, making it cost less than private insurance. It would have therefore provided tough competition for private insurers and pushed down premiums throughout the marketplace.

Even Kurtz doesn’t appear to understand this. In his Daily Beast column, he writes:

The public option—an alternative insurance exchange for those who could not get health coverage from their employers—would in fact have been run by the Health and Human Services Department.

This is not quite right. For starters, an insurance exchange is a marketplace. Under health care reform, exchanges, or web portals, will be built in all 50 states, gathering together all private insurance plans available for purchase and organizing pricing and quality information. Secondly, the public option went through a series of iterations and, under one proposal, would have been available to small businesses and even large employers over time. Lastly, Kurtz doesn’t mention in his definition that the government would not have picked up the tab for the public option. These are crucial details.

Americans did not comprehend them. In August 2009, Nate Silver flagged an AARP-sponsored poll that asked, “When politicians talk about including a “public option” in health care reform, what do you think they mean?” The results:

Creating a government-funded insurance company that competes with existing private insurers to offer health coverage at market rates – 37%

Creating a national health care system like they have in Great Britain – 26%

Creating a network of health care cooperatives – 13%

Don’t know – 23%

The New York Times reported in October 2009:

For example, in a poll that NBC News and The Wall Street Journal released on Tuesday, half the respondents were asked one question about the public option, and half were asked a different one.

Just under 50 percent favored a health care plan administered by the federal government to compete with private insurance companies, while 4 in 10 opposed. But, almost three-fourths said it was important to have a choice between a public plan and a private plan.

Huh?

And Ezra Klein of the Washington Post posted a stark graph on his blog in December 2009, illustrating the fact that two-thirds of Americans said they could not explain the public option.

Given all of this, was it really useful for readers and viewers for reporters to use the term “public option,” which leaves out two very important words – “insurance” and “government”? I think no. In my own reporting, I sometimes just used the term “public option.” One other occasions, I made an effort to add descriptors and qualifiers or say “public plan.”

In retrospect, it’s hard not to wonder if the concept would have survived the legislative process if it had been called the “Medicare option.” Medicare is, after all, widely popular and well understood.

There’s nothing wrong with saying “government-run plan.” That’s what the public option would have been.

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  • hippooath

    I’m sure the reason why Fox wants to call it government run healthcare is because they’re such a stickler for details.

  • newfreedomblog

    “Here’s the supposed smoking gun: an e-mail obtained by Media Matters:”

    .
    The same Media Matters which is funded by and controlled by George Soros? The “billionaire” Philanthropist who has been the subject and concern of Glenn Beck now for over a month? The same man who when you look at all the facts has been the major force behind a Global Government? The same man who has initiated and funded the espionage against our country through Wikileaks?

  • Paul-no not that one

    Rarely is a thread finished with the first comment, nicely done.

  • square1

    Oh, so Hannity, Sammon, and Luntz were just clarifying the issue for Fox viewers? Hah.

    Kate Pickert is either stupid or deliberately carrying water for Fox News.

    This is no small matter. As a so-called journalist, Pickert should be horrified at being associated with the hyper-partisan propagandists at Fox News. Anyone who cares about their journalistic integrity should avoid any perception that the engage in the practices that Fox does.

    It speaks volumes that Pickert doesn’t give a damn.

    BTW, as if it needed to be said, neither Pickert nor Fox can point to a shred of evidence that the terms “government-run health insurance” or “government option” were better understood by the public as describing the “public option” policies. Indeed, were that the case, Fox would have avoided those terms like the plague.

    As for this:

    Scores of journalists asked me during the health care debate to explain to them what the public option was – and these were folks interested in the news and paying attention to the issue.

    I saw no evidence to support the suggestion that Pickert’s colleagues ever cared about or understood anything other than the horse-race aspect of the debate.

  • newfreedomblog

    “Gavin is correct in much of his Kurtz criticism — and by the way, it happens to be constructive criticism. The Washington Post/CNN media writer doesn’t just skew his bookings to the advantage of his Post colleagues, there are often ethical issues at play in the way he covers media issues involving the Post and CNN.”

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    I think I like this Kurtz guy. Seems he is an equal opportunity reporter on CNN.
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    http://mediamatters.org/blog/201007040014
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    Did he write anything about Michael Scherer and Joe Klein’s participation in Jounolist, Ms Pickert? Funny how that really was only a news item for a little while, and now doesn’t seem to matter so far as Media Matter’s concerned anyways.

  • http://shortplaysaboutrealpeople.wordpress.com Michael Maiello

    I’m surprised by the confusion here. Whatever it became, “Public Option” was meant, at least in its ideal form, to provide a choice for people who would rather purchase insurance coverage from the government than from a private insurer. That’s it. That’s all it could have ever meant. Why?

    Because Barack Obama promised that if you like your current insurance, which is provided by a private insurance company, you can keep it. That would have meant that every American was to have a choice. Private insurers or a public plan. A public option, if you will.

    I suppose that nothing that falls short of that should have counted as a public option in the first place.

  • square1

    Yes, that same one. Now, unless you are suggesting that the email was a forgery, why don’t you stop trying to change the subject and address the issue of why a so-called news organization — that is owned and controlled by billionaire Rupert Murdoch — is trying to skew rather than report the news.

  • newfreedomblog

    “I saw no evidence to support the suggestion that Pickert’s colleagues ever cared about or understood anything other than the horse-race aspect of the debate.”

    .
    You are either brain dead or a liar. TIME.com under Kate Pickert and Karen Tumulty not only carried the water for Democrats and Obama for Healthcare, but did everything humanly possible to spin it all in the most positive manner possible.

  • http://gum0nshoe.wordpress.com gumOnShoe

    That may be true, that “government run plan” is accurate, but that’s not what Fox News was requesting its reporters to do when it asked its reporters to use “the so-called public option” phrasing.

    It is just as easy to say that, “people didn’t understand the term, so it wasn’t worth using,” as it is to say “the media didn’t properly inform people as to what the term ‘public option’ meant.”

    That said, you’ve done an excellent job explaining the situation over the last year and I owe a lot of my knowledge on the subject to you and the commentators who frequent the swamp. So thanks on that.

    I think it is more telling that they opted to choose another term, which still wouldn’t have conveyed the full meaning of “public option,” rather than attempting to accurately explain it to their viewers. And as it is news channel’s job to disseminate information, and supposedly do it accurately; it appears that the request was a fundamental failing on their part.

    As Stewart once put it, Fox News does a great job at doing what they mean to do. They are an excellent source of entertainment for the right wing.

  • GivenUp

    Judging from the troll invasion below this thread is indeed done, at least as far as any useful conversation is concerned. Also, win on the comment.

  • http://gum0nshoe.wordpress.com gumOnShoe

    I wish I had the link, but wasn’t only 10% of the coverage on health care related to the policy details and the other 90% the horse race?

  • stuartzechman

    Kate Pickert:
    .
    Even with what we already understand about the intellectual problems created by establishment journalists’ doctrine, this is an astounding post of yours.
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    I hope that you recognize that you are seeming to substantiate the claim by many who analyze modern journalism and its conventions that journalists often resort to willfully obtuse positions in order to defend their profession’s orthodoxies.
    .
    Do you honestly believe that you’ve added clarity to the reporting of either this particular episode or the phenomenon of Fox News generally, Kate Pickert?

  • toddandincharge

    Exactly. How could Kate so badly miss the entire context for any sane discussion of Fox’s email?

  • doddeb

    Yeah, not completely buying your argument here. I concur that the administration did not clearly explain the public option to the electorate. I’ll not speculate as to why that was so. But…there was no excuse for anyone in the media to misunderstand what the public option meant. If that info was available to those of us who were interested enough to do our homework, it was available to all.
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    Clearly, the author of the FOX memo understood that it was one part of the bill that needed to be “addressed.” And address it they did, over and over until the message stuck: government option = government takeover = death panels = dead grannies. That message, pounded home by FOX and picked up by all media outlets, was clear to all.
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    So, descriptive phrases do matter, depending on how they are used and tied to other ideas. I don’t believe this memo simply offers a clarification as you seem to suggest.

  • shepherdwong

    Do you honestly believe that you’ve added clarity to the reporting of either this particular episode or the phenomenon of Fox News generally, Kate Pickert?
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    The question is does she honestly believe that it was FOX’s intention to add clarity to the reporting or simply to gin up opposition to the legislation. The trouble is, if she knows the answer the post is unconscionable and if she doesn’t then she needs a different line of work.

  • virginiagentleman

    Newf, thanks for reminding us of the ongoing threat caused by George Soros. After all, look at the success of his initial effort: helping elect a President who’s used the power of the government to revive several key sectors of the free enterprise system in America, provided tax cuts to all citizens and continued or expanded previous military actions in Iraq and Afghanistan.
    .
    Soros is clearly off to a great start with that Global Government thing.
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    Oh and as for Soros’ work in “initiating” and “funding” “the espionage against our country through Wikileaks?” I assume you have proof of this that you’re willing to share? ‘Cause I wouldn’t want to believe you were just making $%^t up or basing your statements on Glenn Beck, or something stupid like that…

  • virginiagentleman

    I’m sure Kate’s right, that Bill Sammons’ only goal was factual clarity in Fox’s reporting. For example, remember that memo Bill sent out reminding Fox staff that using the term “war on terror” is completely inaccurate, since it’s not really a war and “terror” is a concept and not something on which you can fight a war?
    .
    Or that other one that Fox put out criticizing George W.’s relative for prematurely projecting him a winner in Florida in 2000?
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    Or the one admitting they overstated the threat to voters caused by the New Black Panthers, where he made it clear that “giving hours of coverage to two crazy black men with clubs is not really a wise use of airtime?”
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    Or….

  • megatronrises

    “The “billionaire” Philanthropist who has been the subject and concern of Glenn Beck now for over a month?”
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    I’m pretty sure being the subject of Glenn Beck’s ire legitimizes Soros as an honorable human being.

  • charlieromeobravo

    A noun, a verb, and George Soros…

  • megatronrises

    Thanks for the post, Kate. Very interesting.

  • http://gum0nshoe.wordpress.com gumOnShoe

    I’m at a loss as well. She did a fundamentally good job covering health reform and she was very knowledgeable about the workings of different plans.
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    I’m not sure how you can be good at deciphering that sort of information, but can’t take a rational look at Fox… it just, doesn’t make much sense, especially when they were reporting falsehood after falsehood that Kate was actually dismissing.
    ·
    This article/blog post/whatever is more than disappointing.

  • chicagoindependant

    As others have noted, this totally misses the context of Fox news’ complete attack on Obama’s signature piece of his agenda. Their story of the Health reform (and it was their story) was that “Obamacare” was a government takeover of Healthcare. By calling the public option the “government” plan, it provided a concrete example of that takeover.

    To defend Fox news through the lens of providing clarity to their viewers is laughable.

  • http://gum0nshoe.wordpress.com gumOnShoe

    interesting may be the most apt word to use…

  • stuartzechman

    The more I read this, the more I’m struck by this particular claim of Kate Pickert’s:
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    Scores of journalists asked me during the health care debate to explain to them what the public option was – and these were folks interested in the news and paying attention to the issue.
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    What’s perhaps most revealing –and disturbing– about Pickert’s piece is her claim that so many establishment journalists were completely unaware of “what the public option was.”
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    Journalists’ extraordinary, incredible policy illiteracy aside, that perhaps her fellow professionals were confused by FOX News’ competing descriptions doesn’t seem to enter her mind.
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    What does it say about the political press corps that an arguably key feature of the President’s campaign oratory on health care was apparently so misunderstood by so many “folks interested in the news and paying attention to the issue,” i.e. her fellow Beltway journalists?

  • virginiagentleman

    charlie, that was brilliant…someone should create a board game: “Six Degrees of George Soros:” how to connect George Soros to every problem in the world in less than six steps.
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    The Jets embarrassed by the Patriots on Monday night? It all comes back to Soros…

  • newfreedomblog

    Here you go virginiagentleman.
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    http://arthurzbygniew.blogspot.com/2010/03/soros-co-back-wikileaks-kosher-mob-oval.html
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    Complete with hacked emails and everything!! Enjoy your reading.

  • Alex Vallas

    Fox News is one of the most dangerous media in the US — designed to promote the desires of the Koch Brothers and Rupert Murdoch. They have conned the right with lies and distortions. We have freedom of the press, but these self serving a holes are not concerned with the US. – - – the far less than bright Limbaugh (druggie) Beck (alkie) Palin (just plain stupid) and a host of other entertaIners.

  • dunedweller

    “2) When it is necessary to use the term “public option” (which is, after all, firmly ensconced in the nation’s lexicon), use the qualifier “so-called,” as in “the so-called public option.”"

    #2 says it all. First stating as fact that the term is “ensconced in the nation’s lexicon” (meaning it’s the most widely understood term to describe the plan), and in the same sentence essentially goes on to say let’s use “so-called” to purposely confuse the nation as well as add a dubious spin to it (because it’s polling more positively than “government-run”.)

  • virginiagentleman

    Thanks, newf, that WAS helpful! Now I understand. Wikileaks isn’t working against the CIA, it’s run BY the CIA. And Soros is working with the CIA and Mossad on this.
    .
    Jeesh, why didn’t I see that before? It’s so obvious now…

  • charlieromeobravo

    I might be more willing to accept the “but not so fast” theories if it were not for the fact that:

    1) Fox deliberately chose the same terminology as the HCR opposition

    2) their coverage of the HCR debate was consistently favorable to the opposition, helping to spread scary misinformation like death panels and healthcare rationing that helped tank public opinion.

    Seriously, who is still seriously defending Fox as a legitimate news organization anymore? Info like this, political donations to conservative organizations, their talking heads actively stumping for conservative candidates, etc… Even they’re barely going through the motions to demonstrate non-bias any longer.

  • Paul-no not that one

    No government take over of 9-11 healthcare either.
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    “The 9/11 health bill failed to clear a major hurdle on Thursday after backers couldn’t get enough votes in the Senate to ward off a Republican fillibuster.

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    The $7.4 billion bill, which would provide medical treatment for thousands of first responders and residents who got sick after 9/11, needed 60 supporters in the Senate to avoid a filibuster. The procedural vote to end the debate and move forward with the bill went down in a 57-42 vote.

    .
    U.S. Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, sponsor of the 9/11 health bill, spoke at a ceremony in Washington, D.C. last month to install an exhibit of 29 shields of NYPD officers who died following their exposure to toxins on 9/11. (Mark Wilson/Getty Images)Democrats were only able to round up 57 votes, as Republicans vowed to delay all legislation until Democrats signed on to an extension of Bush tax cuts. Forty-two Republicans voted against moving ahead with the 9/11 health bill.”
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    http://www.dnainfo.com/20101209/downtown/911-health-bill-defeated-senate

  • http://shortplaysaboutrealpeople.wordpress.com Michael Maiello

    This is where I’m getting confused. Public option means what it says. Right now you have private options because private entities provide health insurance. We add a public entity and now you have a public option. That is very easy.

    It seems to me that the press confused the issue by calling all sorts of other things (exchanges, subsidies to buy insurance from private providers, small business buying pools) “the public option.”

    By the end of the debate (actually months before the end) there was no proper public option even on the table. But the media continued to call any aspect with government involvement a public option. They were, sadly, abetted by Democrats who wanted to win political support from real public option proponents. But the media really caused the confusion, to the extent there is any.

  • michaelfury
  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    Wow. A single right leaning news channel in a sea of lefty networks, and oh what a ruckus they raise. Oh the lies! Oh the stupidity of the American people!…
    .
    If only we could get our message out to America, but those meanies over at Fox just foil our every move…

  • 53_3

    It’s better to have the government have the last say in my health care than it is to have the corporate bean counters decide whether I get treatment or not.
    .
    Besides, I can still get supplemental insurance if I want more.
    .
    At least, I can vote them out of office. Try that with a corporate bean counter…

  • 53_3

    That’s what propaganda is…

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    A health bill sponsored by a liberal. Enough right there to give me pause….

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    Got it.

  • stuartzechman

    Gillibrand is not a liberal.

  • Paul-no not that one

    Good point 2/3.
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    F the first responders! Lets get those tax cuts done!

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    Oh, right stu I forgot. And Neither is B.O.

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    Questioning the bill means f the responders. I see, paul.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    Kate Pickert is pretty cute.

  • hippooath

    “Questioning the bill means f the responders. I see, paul.”
    .
    They’re not ‘questioning’ the bill. They’re saying that unless we FIRST deal with tax cuts we won’t do sh!t about anything else.
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    That’s either a matter of priority (that’s the nicest way of putting it) or pure black mail (probably more accurate).
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    But I see why you need to sugarcoat such hypocricy.

  • 53_3

    Is she better looking than Sarah Palin?

  • 53_3

    SP is too skinny, bony and high strung for me…

  • hippooath

    I don’t think you do.

  • stuartzechman

    That’s correct.
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    Kirsten Gillibrand was a member of the House New Democrat Coalition, and Barack Obama has stated “I am a New Democrat.”
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    The New Democrats are not liberals, they are mostly Third Way proponents.

  • http://therealestamerican.wordpress.com therealestamerican

    Thank you New Freedom Blogger! Let no one tell you alcohol impairs your thinking! In Vino Veritas!
    .
    Thank you for again revealing the insidious nature of George Soros! Real Americans must be on guard and ready!
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    New Freedom knows the Truth! In 1988 George Soros ‘wrote’ a ‘book’ titled “The Alchemy Of Finance”.
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    Alchemy!
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    Alchemy is just like Satanism, only less American! Not only is George Soros behind EVERY leftest revolution EVER! He’s more than likely a Satanist! I would not be able to make such an accusation without being sued, so it must be true!
    .
    George Soros: A Satan worshiping alchemist out to take over the world! Only the Real American Rupert Murdoch can save us!
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    Save us, Rupert, SAVE US!

  • http://twitter.com/kpickert Kate Pickert

    (LINK FIXED) For the record, I work in NYC, not DC, Stuart. My point here is not that Fox News covered the health care debate in an unbiased way. (See http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/04/14/jail-time-for-insurance-evaders-yes-said-fox-news/) My point is that “public option” was not a good way to describe this aspect of the initial proposal for health reform, and no one – even a Fox News executive – should be heavily criticized for saying so. I suspect there was a reason Democrats preferred “public option,” a fairly uninformative term. It polled well.

  • 53_3

    You have GOT to be kidding, Kate!
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    Fox was unbiased? Here is the litmus:
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    Tell me Kate, when did they ever point out the good in it?
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    jeopardy.wav
    jeopardy.wav
    jeopardy.wav
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    I’m assuming you have never lived long enough to know what propaganda is…

  • pintortwo

    HCR reform is the best example of how corporations have corrupted our legislature. Obama promised, as a candidate, to provide a public option for all Americans. The PO was popular: I recall in early ’09 three nation-wide polls showing that roughly 75% of American’s wanted to have that option (including one from Murdoch-owned WSJ). It was similarly popular among physicians (link). And the PO was a significant factor for many that decided to vote for Obama and the Dems.
    .
    But the insurance industry didn’t want to give up their fiefdom: our health. They pressed our reps until they caved. The media was a crucial player- they used Luntz-speak incessantly until it was adopted by most Americans. It was a sham. Not surprisingly, they won, we didn’t.

  • 53_3

    seems rusty has a new puppy…

  • http://gum0nshoe.wordpress.com gumOnShoe

    Kate, your link doesn’t work. :/
    ·
    The A HREF tag, might be better than tinylink

  • 53_3

    So you are saying that that passes the litmus test for propaganda???!!!!
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    Where do you draw the line, Kate?!?!

  • 53_3

    Have you looked up the word ‘unbiased’ in the dictionary?
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    Just asking…

  • newfreedomblog

    2thirds, anything to the right of our current gaggle of leftist here in the swamp is a propaganda network.
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    Net neutrality indeed. Let’s do it, maybe I can get a job writing for the Huffington Post. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  • newfreedomblog

    I guess when the Democrats had a full majority in both the House and Senate for the past 2 years the bill to increase everyone’s taxes could not be taken up then? Perhaps before the election on Nov 8th?
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    Hmmmm, I wonder why they didn’t do it then? 2 years versus now days before they are to go out on holiday. Imagine that!!

  • http://gum0nshoe.wordpress.com gumOnShoe

    53_3, you’re misreading her. Probably owe an apology too… She clearly says she is not claiming Fox news is unbiased. She is not refuting claims that fox news may be biased

  • http://elvisberg.wordpress.com Elvis Elvisberg

    Le voila. http://www.journalism.org/analysis_report/horserace_coverage_dominates
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    41% of all the coverage focused on the tactics and strategy used by both sides in the legislative fight. Another 8% of the health care coverage involved the nuts and bolts of the legislation process, essentially how the measure was wending its way through Capitol Hill.Descriptions of the various plans and proposals for health care reform accounted for 23% of the coverage, the second-largest storyline. Some of those stories contained substantive analyses of the various legislative proposals. But many others, while outlining the elements of the proposals, also focused on the political calculus for passage.In the 10 months from June 2009 through March 2010, only 9% percent of the overall health care coverage was devoted to the current state of an industry that consumes one-sixth of the U.S. gross domestic product and affects virtually every citizen.

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    So, it is true, the public is left uninformed by an incompetent media.
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    That’s the thesis of this post, right?

  • hippooath

    “I guess when the Democrats had a full majority in both the House and Senate for the past 2 years the bill to increase everyone’s taxes could not be taken up then? Perhaps before the election on Nov 8th?
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    Hmmmm, I wonder why they didn’t do it then? 2 years versus now days before they are to go out on holiday. Imagine that!!”
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    Maybe because they don’t have too?
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    It will automatically sunset. There’s nothing to ‘take up’.

  • pintortwo

    The corporate takeover of US policy is well highlighted in this interview with former Cigna chief, Wendell Potter, who btw, testified before the House. He was asked about Michael Moore’s Sicko- keep in mind that this is about a documentary, one that not many people saw (I didn’t). It’s small potatoes. While reading, imagine the response to a President-elect promising a Public Option and that the industry spend a record $1.4 million a day on lobbying efforts in the 1Q ’09 to stop the PO. Forgive the length:
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    ————
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    BILL MOYERS: You were also involved in the campaign by the industry to discredit Michael Moore and his film “Sicko” in 2007…
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    WENDELL POTTER: I thought that he hit the nail on the head with his movie. But the industry, from the moment that the industry learned that Michael Moore was taking on the health care industry, it was really concerned.
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    BILL MOYERS: What were they afraid of?
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    WENDELL POTTER: They were afraid that people would believe Michael Moore.
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    BILL MOYERS: We obtained a copy of the game plan that was adopted by the industry’s trade association, AHIP. And it spells out the industry strategies in gold letters. It says, “Highlight horror stories of government-run systems.” What was that about?
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    WENDELL POTTER: The industry has always tried to make Americans think that government-run systems are the worst thing that could possibly happen to them, that if you even consider that, you’re heading down on the slippery slope towards socialism. So they have used scare tactics for years and years and years, to keep that from happening. If there were a broader program like our Medicare program, it could potentially reduce the profits of these big companies. So that is their biggest concern.
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    BILL MOYERS: And there was a political strategy…
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    WENDELL POTTER: That means that part of the effort to discredit this film was to use lobbyists and their own staff to go onto Capitol Hill and say, “Look, you don’t want to believe this movie. You don’t want to talk about it. You don’t want to endorse it. And if you do, we can make things tough for you.”
    .
    BILL MOYERS: How?
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    WENDELL POTTER: By running ads, commercials in your home district when you’re running for reelection, not contributing to your campaigns again, or contributing to your competitor.

    BILL MOYERS: Then it says, “Message to Democratic insiders. Embracing Moore is one-way ticket back to minority party status.”
    .
    WENDELL POTTER: Yeah.

    BILL MOYERS: Now, that’s exactly what they did, didn’t they? They–
    .
    WENDELL POTTER: Absolutely.

    BILL MOYERS: So you would actually hear politicians mouth the talking points that had been circulated by the industry to discredit Michael Moore.
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    WENDELL POTTER: Absolutely.
    .
    BILL MOYERS: You’d hear ordinary people talking that. And politicians as well, right?
    .
    WENDELL POTTER: Absolutely.
    .
    BILL MOYERS: So your plan worked.

    WENDELL POTTER: It worked beautifully.

    BILL MOYERS: Was it true? Did you think it contained a great truth?
    .
    WENDELL POTTER: Absolutely did.
    .
    BILL MOYERS: What was it?

    WENDELL POTTER: That we shouldn’t fear government involvement in our health care system. That there is an appropriate role for government, and it’s been proven in the countries that were in that movie.
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    http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07102009/watch2.html

  • hippooath

    “2thirds, anything to the right of our current gaggle of leftist here in the swamp is a propaganda network.
    .
    Net neutrality indeed. Let’s do it, maybe I can get a job writing for the Huffington Post. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA”
    .
    propaganda isn’t defined by how many sources it comes from, but what the source says.
    .
    You’re claiming that a ‘cabal’ of privately owned media companies are working together to spread propaganda, but Fox is the odd man out?
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    I couldn’t make that sh1t up even if I tried.

  • square1

    My point is that “public option” was not a good way to describe this aspect of the initial proposal for health reform, and no one – even a Fox News executive – should be heavily criticized for saying so.
    .
    Really? Really? That is your point?
    .
    A. The question of whether the predominant cable news channel — not to mention the rest of Murdoch-owned media — is capable of reporting in an unbiased and ethical fashion is only one thousand times more important than semantic debates over the clarity of the term “public option.”
    .
    B. You have presented ZERO evidence that the terms that Sammon chose instead of “public option” are more likely to inform the public as to what the policy is. Where are the counter-polls showing what the public thinks “government-run health insurance” or “government option”? That’s right. There are none. Because neither you nor Sammon give a damn about clarity.
    .
    C. I’m not as polite as Stuart. And I am considerably less tolerant of bullsh-t. The suggestion that Fox was simply trying to provide a more descriptive term is so patently stupid that I can’t believe anyone would suggest it. I literally want the 5 seconds of my life back that you wasted making me read such a preposterous position.
    .
    D. Fox/News Corp. is propaganda outlet. Full Stop. There are only a million data points, not least of which is the News Corp. donation to the GOP gubernatorial fund. Other journalists can either call Fox/News Corp. out on it or they can choose to defend Fox/News Corp. and then watch their own reputations go down the drain (possibly for free, as Pickert doesn’t seem to be on the gravy train quite yet).

  • bobcn1

    2) When it is necessary to use the term “public option” (which is, after all, firmly ensconced in the nation’s lexicon), use the qualifier “so-called,” as in “the so-called public option.”

    .

    My point is that “public option” was not a good way to describe this aspect of the initial proposal for health reform, and no one – even a Fox News executive – should be heavily criticized for saying so.

    .
    Thank you so-called Kate Pickert for your so-called point about the so-called public option. I’m sure so-called Fox News (when they’re not busy referring to the Democratic Party at the ‘Democrat Party’) is very concerned that the proper terms for things be used.

  • http://therealestamerican.wordpress.com therealestamerican

    “Here you go virginiagentleman.” (links to Arthur Zbygniew’s blog)
    .
    Thank you one again, oh wise and learned physician! Arthur Zbygniew is a genius!
    .
    Here are some of his other headlines:
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    Over One Million Iraqi Deaths Caused by US Occupation
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    911: revealing new pictures
    .
    Sarah Palin’s Secret Past… Revealed! (She was a spy pretending to be a sports reporter!)
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    hariri’s murder: german uranium mini missile
    .
    Animals Avoid GM Soy And Corn

    .
    This Arthur Zbygniew is a genius, a prophet, and a REAL AMERICAN! Thank you New Freedom Blogger!

  • freeinpa

    “I’m sure the reason why Fox wants to call it government run healthcare is because they’re such a stickler for details.”
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    And more importantly, it has the added convenience of being actually what it is- government run health care!

  • doddeb

    Kate Pickert:

    Thank you for responding and clarifying your position, it is always appreciated. Still, I am somewhat confused…
    .
    Do you believe that Bill Sammon’s memo was a clarification of the term? In the sense that a journalist’s job is to provide clarification so the news consumer will better understand a policy position? If so, how do you credit his use of the term “so-called”? Doesn’t that point to a certain cynicism on his part, as dunedweller pointed out?
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    Or, perhaps you’re trying to say that the term “public option” was so poor a description that it doesn’t matter what Sammon’s intentions were with the memo? So, do you believe that the choice of the term “public option” is to blame, for the failure of the policy? Maybe because the Democrats were being a bit too cute with the vague terminology? Because it “polled well”? And that vagueness was the reason that the right could pounce on the policy and discredit it?
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    If I’m understanding it, seems a bizarre argument to make.

  • freeinpa

    “This amounts to “overt political activism,” according to Media Matters”
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    As opposed to the MSM referring to illegal immigrants as undocumented workers (Which is the equivalent to calling drug dealers, unlicensed pharmacists)
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    Or Pro-abortion folks as Pro-choice (unlike the infant who has no choice)

  • mbaaar

    It is a shame that the days of tarring & feathering snake oil salesmen are long gone. The Republicans of the last 20 years are selling the snake oil and their main copy writer is Frank Luntz.

    Luntz is the king of the cynical manipulations. For most of the public he operates underneath the radar, but if there is anyone who deserves to be boiled in tar permanently, it is Luntz, the supreme cynical manipulative spin doctor. Without him, the Republican manipulations & rhetoric would be nothing.

    Congrats to you, Frank. You’ve made a pile of bread by praying on public weakness merely by working the connotations of words and avoiding any associations of those words to reality.

  • http://therealestamerican.wordpress.com therealestamerican

    “Jounolist”
    .
    Thank you for that timely reminder, New Freedom! I shall raise my glass in your honor when next I imbibe!
    .
    The ‘Jounolist’. Soros. Sorolist. Journos. Sournolist. Hmmmmm…
    .
    This all means something, I’m sure. There has to be some sort of link between Soros and Jornolist. Maybe the Illuminati pulls both of their strings, or.. Wait! I got it!
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    Soros IS journolist! There are no actual journalists! Only Soros! Kneel before SOROS!
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    Now, I know why you drink, New Freedom! The Truth is a scary thing!

  • stuartzechman

    Thanks so very much for responding to commentary, Kate Pickert.
    .
    I stand corrected: since you work out of New York (presumably Columbus Circle), my description of your fellow journalists as “fellow Beltway journalists” was inaccurate. You have my apologies.
    .
    Not to be needlessly argumentative, but for clarity’s sake:
    .
    While I do actually understand your point, it seems as if your characterization

    “public option” was not a good way to describe this aspect of the initial proposal for health reform, and no one – even a Fox News executive – should be heavily criticized for saying so

    isn’t quite the whole story.
    .
    You seem to be characterizing Sammon’s directive as being in the service of objective, journalistic accuracy as you would construe those terms, but Sammon may actually be using them to mean something else entirely.
    .
    The accuracy of that characterization very much depends upon whether one takes Bill Sammon at his word when he defended the directive (according to Howard Kurtz):

    Sammon said in an interview that the term “public option” “is a vague, bland, undescriptive phrase,” and that after all, “who would be against a public park?” The phrase “government-run plan,” he said, is “a more neutral term,” and was used just last week by a New York Times columnist.
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    “I have no idea what the Republicans were pushing or not. It’s simply an accurate, fair, objective term.”

    When he remarks “who would be against a public park?” , he seems to be indicating that what is inaccurate about employing the “vague, bland, undescriptive phrase” is that the words “public option” do not convey what could be objectionable to conservatives about the policy proposal.
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    Sammon’s stated reason for the ban on the phrase is that, like the terms “public park” or “public transportation,” the words “public option” are “undescriptive”, in the sense that the term does not describe any reason for the news consumer to “be against” the policy.
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    To that way of thinking about journalistic objectivity and accuracy, when Sammon describes “government-run” as “more neutral,” he’s correct, because the latter phrase more accurately conveys the aspect upon which, for him, objectivity turns: the rationale for conservative opposition.
    .
    Am I making that clear?
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    I mean to say that in Sammon’s (and Fox News’ editorial) perspective, the portrayal of a policy is accurate to the extent that it describes what conservatives would find objectionable about it.
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    In the “fair and balanced” news universe, the more “neutral” description is that which correctly answers the question “who would be against” the policy.
    .
    Bill Sammon apparently is not merely saying that the phrase “public option” was “not a good way to describe this aspect,” as you put it, he’s saying that it’s not good because it doesn’t fairly include the conservative –or Fox News’ editorial, take your pick– perspective in it description.
    .
    It’s this lack of sufficient appreciation you seem to display for the subtle methods by which your own profession’s vocabulary to describe fairness and accuracy are being transformed into new (and ideological, partisan or self-interested) meanings upon which my criticism rests, Kate Pickert.
    .
    In other words, if, in your analysis, you dismiss the evidence that Bill Sammon’s organization is engaged in a fundamentally different enterprise than that which your profession nominally aspires, you run the risk of seeming obtuse –and inviting reasonable criticism.
    .
    Once again, thanks so much for taking the time and trouble in your busy day to respond to commentary, and for reading and considering this, Kate Pickert.

  • rdw56

    It will automatically sunset. There’s nothing to ‘take up’.

    ************************

    Wrong. Obama promised to leave tax rates the same on the middle class and increase only those on the rich. Thus he could not have simply let the bill sunset. It was always going to have to be addressed. The decision to wait so long will go down as a major tactical blunder on his part. .

  • rdw56

    you left off fabulously wealthy and influencial.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    53_3:
    .
    Kate said:
    My point here is not that Fox News covered the health care debate in an unbiased way.

    .
    Ease up, homes.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    SP is not all that attractive, really. For her age, maybe, for a politician, yes. But, in general terms, beh.

  • freeinpa

    “Tell me Kate, when did they ever point out the good in it?”
    .
    You make the biased assumption there was good in it!

  • hippooath

    RDW,
    .
    so when free says democrats waiting 2 years to increase and you said that we’re talking about Obama lowered the taxes and now have to deal with the increase, what are we talking about?
    .
    The fact remains that as it’s worded there’s no need to do anything to increase the taxes. If they have a sunset clause it’s just a matter of doing nothing.

  • Paul-no not that one

    And yet still more credible than Rusty’s usual source-The Blaze.

  • freeinpa

    “At least, I can vote them out of office. Try that with a corporate bean counter.
    .
    It’s called shareholder votes or a corporate takeover. You can vote one Representative out of office and 2 Senators and a President -tops. You still gave over 530 you can’t vote out. But then again if you vote Democratic you can vote multiple times.

  • np042

    I’ll also point out that it’s quite clear Rusty has no idea what Net Neutrality is actually about from this post either.

  • hippooath

    “I’ll also point out that it’s quite clear Rusty has no idea what Net Neutrality is actually about from this post either.”
    .
    Shhh, don’t tell him. He thinks it’s a nefarious plot to take away his ‘precious’.

  • newfreedomblog

    As we get closer and closer to revealing the real identity of our new commenter, therealamerican or whatever he or it calls itself.
    .
    Down to Paul Dirks or Paul-no-not-that-one. Possibly Elvis the impersonator, and last but certainly not least IQ53.
    .
    But, enjoy your games. It is fun, I am enjoying it.

  • libertarianhawk

    How is this any different than a news organization refusing to use the term “partial birth abortion”?

    They’ll usually say something on the order of “late-term abortion” or something along the lines of “so-called ‘partial-birth abortion’”.

    The reason is that “partial-birth abortion” is a poll-tested term, used by opponents of D&E for a specific reason.

    Same goes for “public option” — as well as things like “death tax”, “death panel”, etc.

    I don’t think news organizations should feel forced into using anybody’s preferred terminology.

  • hippooath

    “And more importantly, it has the added convenience of being actually what it is- government run health care!”
    .
    VA is government run health care. Public option was a government run insurance option.
    .
    Unless (example) the person hired to handle your insurance claim also gave you a colonoscopy there’s no ‘care’ involved other than making sure your claim or portion thereof gets paid.
    .
    You know that.
    .
    I know that.
    .
    But then again, as I wrote. It’s not about being a stickler.

  • http://therealestamerican.wordpress.com therealestamerican

    Thank you for responding my Free Physician friend!
    .
    “therealamerican or whatever he or it calls itself”
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    A small correction, if I may be so bold, I am The Realest American and I am indeed 100% Real American Male, so ‘he’ is acceptable.
    .
    I’ve been enjoying your seemingly infinite wellspring of wisdom, I’m heartened by the fact that your are enjoying my participation!
    .
    I would love to join you some time for an ‘adult beverage’, a potent potable! if you will. As with yourself, I too am very fond of indulging in the occasional bottle or three!

  • newfreedomblog

    A thread of accusations and far left liberal nutjobs pronouncing the clandestine activities of Fox News. Imagine that!!.
    .
    Next up, Truthers. Did 9/11 occur or not? Will the real wackos please stand up!!
    .
    Van Jones….calling Van Jones!!! Your gaggle of goose steppers are getting really pis$y now. Time to call them back into the holes they crawled out of.
    .
    Of course we can always fall back on all those “New Democrats” as stuey loves to label them. Not like they vote 99.9% of the time with all the rest of the progressive Democrats. He is just upset with the .1% of the time they don’t vote how he thinks they should.
    .
    Pffft…………”new Democrats”…..”Third-wayers”……pretty soon he will start calling them some other name which Progressives are so good at changing the names of things just to suit their point of view.
    .
    And they have the Gaul to call Glenn Beck a conspiracy theorist. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

  • shepherdwong

    square1: argument very well made.
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    bobcn1: point very well made. Perhaps Ms. Pickert thinks “Democratic Party” is not a good way to describe this aspect of our political makeup.

  • hippooath

    “A thread of accusations and far left liberal nutjobs pronouncing the clandestine activities of Fox News. Imagine that”
    .
    Occams razor
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    If the black and white didn’t slap you in the face I don’t know what will. And they accuses Bill Clinton for engaging in ‘the meaning of is’.

  • pintortwo

    Many are not seeing the big picture here. It’s not what Fox did or didn’t do. It’s that questionable language, as part of a coordinated effort to scuttle debate, permeated popular culture and became the norm.
    .
    This has nothing to do with ideology– we all should know by now: look to who holds the purse-strings.
    .
    The insurance/pharma industry has amazing resources. They can contribute mightily to re-election coffers and commercials; or likewise for an opponent’s. They spend heavily on advertising. Media is a business, they act, rightly so, to maximize profits and limit exposure.
    .
    The industry was afraid that a legitimate public option would take from their market-share, so they pulled the strings. Luntz and big media were tools to make it happen.
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    The media and our elected did what you would expect them to do; they followed the money.

  • freeinpa

    Yes here is where the biggest lie in HC was — to themselves. They argued that Obama did not wnat to take over HC but the entire bill was framed around the rules and regulation that would eventually force every one out of private insurance (Of course we have the knee slapper, you could keep your 1-doctor 2- HC insurance). Outside of the left wing nut jobs (like you hippo) it could not be sold, So Dumos went behind closed doors, wrote a nightmare of a bill, passed it without reading it and then claim its not a government takeover. There will be more agencies created from this bill than HC insurance companies that exist.
    .
    “the person hired to handle your insurance claim also gave you a colonoscopy there’s no ‘care’ involved other than making sure your claim or portion thereof gets paid.”

    And that’s why they call those people employees of health care insurance. Your argument is dumber than usual.

    Keep the delusion alive.

  • pintortwo

    You wouldn’t know a progressive, or a conservative, if one smacked the tri-fold hat off your head.

  • hippooath

    Freeinpa,
    .
    Herr Bill Clinton. We’re not debating the meaning of what is ‘is’. First you move the goal posts. It’s not about WHAT it is, it’s about what they MEAN. I get it. But let me back up. Public option isn’t what you mean. It was the compromise to a universal/medicare for all that never happened.
    .
    Secondly – thanks for the technicality. Thats why they call it health care insurance? I get it. So you’re saying that the guy who fix your car is the same as the guy who pay for repairing it after an accident? Because one is a car insurance agent and the other one is a car mechanic?
    .
    “Your argument is dumber than usual”
    .
    You have yourself pegged alright. Seriously. Is this really your argument? I wouldn’t mind to engage you in a debate about a liberal vs conservative solution to the current problems, but if you simply have no better argument than to change what we’re talking about it’s both pointless and silly.

  • Cliff

    they have the Gaul to call Glenn Beck a conspiracy theorist
    .
    So have you ever actually opened up a dictionary in your life?

  • Cliff

    A small correction, if I may be so bold, I am The Realest American
    .
    I f–king love it.
    .
    Are you more of a Real American than newfreedomblog?
    .
    How do Real Americans measure their relative Real American-ness?
    .
    Is it determined by how many branches of the military you’ve served in, or how many packages of Skoal you chew threw in a day?

  • Cliff

    My point is that “public option” was not a good way to describe this aspect of the initial proposal for health reform, and no one – even a Fox News executive – should be heavily criticized for saying so.
    .
    Man, you used a whole hell of a lot of words to make a BS point like that.
    .
    Have you been taking milquetoast lessons from Scherer?

  • square1

    Stuart,
    .
    Your polite responses to the Swamplanders are generally admirable. It is true that one generally catches more flies with honey than with vinegar.
    .
    However, at a certain point, treating intellectually dishonest arguments with complete respect is a mistake.
    .
    Just as it is usually a bad idea to respond in good faith to trolls, and just as it is a bad idea for Obama to continue to reach out to bad-faith actors in the GOP, it is also a bad idea for us to treat willfully bad journalism as deserving of respect. Truly bad journalism — and I am referring to practices that violate, enable, or tolerate the violation of accepted journalistic guidelines — should not be tolerated.
    .
    Kate Pickert knows or should know full well that Fox News was doing nothing but trying to torpedo the “public option.” She is basically lying to your face. Like Obama, you run the risk of looking sad, pathetic, and weak by letting people play you for a fool.

  • 53_3

    Cat fight, cliff.
    .
    Duck…

  • 53_3

    I enjoy flicking your nose, rusty.
    .
    This time, though, I get to watch

  • 53_3

    If I’m wrong, I’m wrong.
    .
    A lot of time I don’t have the time to do more than cursory scans, and of course, there’s a risk.
    .
    Kate, I apologize for mischaracterizing you!

  • 53_3

    Will freeinpa, with that weasel-worded escape, you hereby looze…

  • np042

    they have the Gaul to call Glenn Beck a conspiracy theorist

    No, the Roman Empire had Gaul. Until the barbarians came in at the fall of the Empire. Now France owns most of Gaul.

  • 53_3

    Rusty just ran afoul of his own English-As-A-First-Language law…

  • 53_3

    I say toss Rusty in the Gaol

  • lcky9

    Here’s the thing PEOPLE who have an ounce of intelligence KNOWS it’s all the word game.. HOW many times has this administration changed the name of BILLS they want passed in HOPES the GENERAL PUBLIC would embrace them under their NEW name even though it was the SAME bill they tried to pass under a different name that was rejected?? the LARGEST segment of this country went to school when even PUBLIC schools actually taught the kids.. Now with health care ANYONE that has common sense KNOWS just WHERE they were going with this bill.. for those of us who READ it.. we were way ahead.. further more for those of us who have lived long enough we have SEEN what the government has done when THEY take over something… NEVER a good ending for the people but usually it makes the Politicians rich.. Don’t care if I was watching FOX or MSM my answer to heathcare was NO.. just look what they are doing with MEDICARE after these people paid into it for years.. THANKS but NO THANKS..

  • stuartzechman

    Thanks for the acknowledgment, 53_3.

  • hippooath

    Am I suppose to just read the all caps because that makes about as much sense as if I read all of it.

  • 3xfire3

    FOX Leans Right.
    .
    MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, NYT, TIME, Newsweek, Washington Post, Chicago Sun Times, LA Times and 95% of all other Newspapers Lean Left.
    .
    And liberals complain about FOX.
    .
    Step outside your bubble and get a life.

  • Cliff

    That gives me an idea:
    .
    PEOPLE KNOWS HOW BILLS HOPES GENERAL PUBLIC NEW SAME LARGEST PUBLIC ANYONE KNOWS WHERE READ SEEN THEY NEVER FOX MSM NO MEDICARE THANKS NO THANKS
    .
    You’re right, that makes exactly as much sense as the original post.

  • liberalmeltdown

    Let’s blame Bush…that didn’t work…Let’s blame FOX News.
    .
    For 60 years the modern MSM has been liberal. For 40 of those years it had absolutely NO competition. Now there is ONE channel that leans to the right. You want to do something now? Go pound sand.

  • dsreasner

    The simple truth is that “public option” was selected for it’s positive appeal prior to release of the memo. The phrase was promoted by advocates for the option and Fox News was under no obligation to promulgate the term. Whether the alternative in the memo was neutral or pejorative may be subject to debate but, importantly, the memo was necessitated by the promotion of the “public option” phrase.

    David
    Not in Cambridge, MA

  • pintortwo

    “There has been comment upon my contribution to Democrats (campaigns)… But it happens that I vote for Viacom. Viacom is my life, and I do believe that a Republican Administration is better for media companies than a Democratic one.”
    .
    - Sumner Redstone, Chairnman and CEO of Viacom, parent co to CBS
    .
    You see 3x, it’s not about personal belief, it’s about money. You should know this considering your 72 years of experience. These are major conglomerates. Republicans are less likely to enforce anti-trust laws and business regulations. They are more likely to enact laws that favor media companies’ biggest advertisers, including oil, health insurance, the military. And to lower income taxes for board members. Big media favors republicans.
    .
    Also, Fox owns literally thousands of newspapers, mags, radio and TV stations. They are the most influential group in news. So that alone would slant media to the right.

  • pintortwo

    ..forgot the link, here.

  • pintortwo

    Bill Kristol doesn’t agree with you. As probably the most popular and influential voice for conservatives, he should know:
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    “I admit it — the liberal media were never that powerful, and the whole thing was often used as an excuse by conservatives for conservative failures.” — William Kristol

  • pintortwo

    David, if a news organization decided to call the Patriot Act (which is named so for its positive appeal) another name, for precisely the reasons you mention -especially a name with negative connotations, say “The Big Brother Act”- would you feel the same?

  • thosdc

    The public option was not necessarily government run. It also allowed for plans run by co-ops and other non-government, non-profit entities. Fox and Pickert are wrong.

  • pintortwo

    “There is some strategy to it (bashing the ‘liberal’ media). If you watch any great coach, what they try to do is ‘work the refs.’ Maybe the ref will cut you a little slack on the next one.”
    - Rich Bond, then Republican party chair
    .
    The “liberal media” meme was designed by conservatives in order to provide cover for a preponderance of conservative programing.

  • 3xfire3

    Pinto,
    .
    It is the reporters that are almost all Liberals and that is why the MSM leans so strongly Left.

  • 3xfire3

    Pinto,
    .
    Be rational for one moment. People always put a positive spin on things they support. It is human nature.
    .
    Example: Affordable Care

  • pintortwo

    It is the reporters that are almost all Liberals and that is why the MSM leans so strongly Left.
    .
    3x, reporters read off a teleprompter. You don’t think editors and writers take their lead from the top? Sumner Redstone’s opinion of what is best for his company has far more impact than some local CBS news anchor’s opinion.
    .
    Even the “straight” writers in our papers (non editorial) give government “officials” anonymity, and don’t act as defender of truth. The Pentagon’s psyops scandal (the Pent managed the press to offer the news as they wanted it presented) is a good example, as is Judith Miller.
    .
    There are far more conservative TV shows, far more conservative columnists in the papers, far more conservative radio shows than liberal- it is not disputable, the numbers are there.
    .
    I remember (sorry, not going to look it up) a survey a few years back that showed 91% of all political radio talk shows were conservative themed. Townhall printed a response that this disparity was necessary in order to balance the liberal shows on NPR and college radio. You may have heard that argument. I hope you realize how weak it is. College radio in my area mostly plays speed metal; I listen to NPR every so often when I’m in the mood for jazz. Point is, the sheer volume of radio stations owned by Rupert Murdoch enable him to not only reach, but to dominate every market in the country. It’s not even close.
    .
    ———————
    .
    People always put a positive spin on things they support. It is human nature.
    .
    Example: Affordable Care

    .
    People always know where their bread is buttered.
    .
    Per affordable care, please re-read Ms Pickert’s post. The media either actively helped, or was complicit in framing the topic with negative, often misleading language.

  • realestateorlando

    The claim that because it would not have to turn a profit it would therefore cost less is false. The elimination of the need to turn a profit would, in fact, enable it to increase costs without constraint because of the other feature: It would get its funding from taxation. That was, and is, one of the main objections to this “competitor.” It would be a “competitor” released from any need to actually compete for revenues—revenues could be increased by politicians simply voting to increase government funding, rather than having to efficiently compete with consumers who can make choices about how much they will pay and to whom. Profit is not a cost or add-on to price; it is what’s left after costs are paid out of revenues. Profit-making is the incentive to control costs in the face of revenues that are not guaranteed and in competition with other sellers. Non-profit enterprises do not inherently charge less or even take in less money per unit of product produced, do not have a need for less revenue because they don’t have to declare any surplus a profit, and do not necessarily pay their management less—they simply don’t call any of it profit.

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