The End of DADT and DREAM?

Two Democratic constituencies are likely to end the day disappointed: Hispanics and gays. This afternoon Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid will try and move to the DREAM Act, which would grant a path to citizenship to millions of illegal children who are getting college degrees or serving in the armed forces. After that he will attempt to bring up defense reauthorization legislation, which includes the repeal of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell. Neither will garner the 60 votes needed to start debate.

How can I be so sure? You may recall that all 42 Republicans last week wrote a letter to Reid telling him they will not allow cloture on any legislation aside from Bush tax cuts and a continuing resolution (CR). The Senate finished the CR last week and look well on their way to a deal on taxes but a deal does not legislation make. Republicans are planning to stick to their guns and wait out a Congressional Budget Office score on the tax bill before a vote next week. So what if there’s precious little time before Christmas to get stuff done? So what if, in the meantime, there’s nothing else to do but sit around?

There was talk of one Republican, Maine Senator Susan Collins who had been working closely with Connecticut Independent Joe Lieberman on Don’t Ask Don’t Tell, who might vote to proceed with the defense reauthorization measure. But, according to Democratic sources, her demands of unlimited debate and amendments on the bill were unreasonable. When he brings it up this afternoon, Reid will offer Republicans 10 amendments to the Democrats’ five and a flexible process. Dems fear a totally open process could allow the Jim DeMints of the world to hijack the process indefinitely. There’s little chance Collins will take the deal and, even if she did, Dems would need at least one more vote in order to reach the 60 votes needed to stave off a filibuster.

Of course, Reid could just wait until the tax bill passes next week and bring these bills up, but that time is reserved for the one remaining item on the lame duck agenda that is looking more and more likely to pass: a ratification of the new START Treaty. So, today’s votes will allow Dems to claim they tried to get DREAM and Don’t Ask Don’t Tell done while blaming their failure on the GOP. In other words, just another day of sock puppet theater on Capitol Hill. Neither measure looks likely to pass under greater Republican majorities next session, so this could be the last action on both these issues for a while.

Update:
Of course, five minutes after I hit send on this Lisa Murkowski, the new maverick of the GOP Senate conference (if she ever sorts out her reelection in the courts), put out a press release saying she support repeal of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell. “My support for moving the Defense Authorization bill forward, which includes a repeal of the Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell policy, will depend on whether the majority allows for an open and fair amendment process,” Murkowski wrote. “This is a weighty, policy-laden bill that normally takes several weeks to debate and amend. If the majority attempts to push it through allowing little or no debate or votes on amendments, I will be inclined to oppose those efforts.” So, maybe DADT isn’t dead quite yet.

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  • newfreedomblog

    My God, after reading this, I was sure it was the end of the world. Such a joke.

  • stuartzechman

    Two Democratic constituencies are likely to end the day disappointed
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    I can’t believe it.
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    No, that couldn’t possibly be the case.
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    Every Democratic constituency is simply delighted by how things are going.

    They love the progress, the solutions, the change that majority government has truly brought to the country.
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    Hell, every segment of the electorate is positively dancing with joy, right now.
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    What a party.

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    I could have sworn there were conservative gays and Hispanics in this world, but maybe not. Anyway, this shouldn’t be a surprise. The current GOP leadership has stated very clearly they only have one priority in this world, tax cuts for the rich. One has to admire them for being so honest.

  • http://gum0nshoe.wordpress.com gumOnShoe

    Well, if its the end of the focus on these issues, maybe its the end of support from certain people as well.
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    I mean, who’s going to buy that “we tried” sh!t?

  • deconstructiva

    Thanks, Jay. If they pass tax cuts to these two groups would this get the bills passed?
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    BTW, OT but great future swampposts: do you know / latest tea leaves about:
    a) if Reid and friends will change the filibuster rules for next Senate?
    b) what secret yelling and cursing that would make even us commentariat blush words were exchanged between Biden and House D’s? Did Biden tell Hoyer, “Luke, I am your father / join the dark side” over tax cuts deal thingy? If you have time, please keep us updated on these things; thanks for your thoughts, Jay.

  • grape_crush

    …just another day of sock puppet theater on Capitol Hill.

    Not only is this framing objectionable (“why bother putting a bill up for a vote if it won’t pass”), it’s an incorrect use of the term sock puppet. A sock puppet is an alternative identity used for some (usually nefarious) personal reason or benefit. As far as I know, there’s no one on the GOP side that’s posing as a Dem in order to put these things up for a vote…

    The phrase that you want is kabuki theater, where the acts are defined by extravagance and bombast…exemplified by stark makeup patterns that express what each character is about, flashy costumes, fancy stage tricks, and bold poses.*

    *Freely lifted and adapted from the Wikipedia entry on Kabuki.

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    Reid should make sure the vote for the billionaire tax cuts is the last one held in the session. Schedule all the other issues, Obama left out, first. At the end of the day the Democrats can decide if they really want to support the billionaire handout, or not.

  • charlieromeobravo

    “..just another day of sock puppet theater on Capitol Hill.”
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    It’s been an epic week of SPT. I love it. The Republicans ran on restoring fiscal sanity to Washington and then hold up EVERYTHING holding out for the most fiscally irresponsible version of the tax cut extension. They’re so brazenly hypocritical and contemptuous of public opinion it’s just sickening. The overwhelming majority of the public and members of the armed services support DADT repeal but that’s less important than making sure Bush’s handout to the rich gets extended. The overwhelming majority of the public doesn’t approve of extending the tax cuts for wealthy people either but that apparently doesn’t matter now either.

  • gwbc

    I dont know what sock puppet theater is , but do you not think votes should be taken even if they don’t pass?, , dont you want to know where your elected representatives stand on issues ?

  • http://gum0nshoe.wordpress.com gumOnShoe

    It is pretty clear where they stand. Apparently it isn’t clear to them where we stand, as a nation. Maybe they’ve forgotten what the word “representative” means over in the senate.

  • np042

    I’d say most of them are pretty clear on what “representative” means. It’s just a shame only a few of them (Franken) are clear on who it is they are truly representing.

  • Alex Vallas

    Actually I thought it was to make sure Obama was a one term president.
    It has been clear for quite some time that GOP members of Congress have priorities (1) self survival,(2) party loyalty, (3) defeat all the president’s proposals (4) kiss lobbyist butts (5) bow to Wall Street (6) and way way down the list – do what is right for the American public if it does not affect 1-5.
    We are in for a long period of polarization, fights, gridlock, and very sadly defeat of the American Dream and our world standing.

  • http://erieangel.wordpress.com erieangel

    Oh, they know who they are representing all right. How could they not? A full 44% of them represent a huge 1.2% of the entire population.

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    My impression is tax cuts for the wealthy are top of the house. Nothing else gets done until the rich have their billions of borrowed dollars. I think they have been pretty clear about that. If Obama delivers that for them I’m not sure why they would want to get rid of him.

  • certifiablylazy

    But those 1.2% create 192% of all US jobs. I’m not sure why they are taxed at all. They should be getting government services for free as a thank you for their exceptional job creating skills, which have nothing to do with demand for goods.

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    Why did Kool & the Gang just seep into my head?

  • pintortwo

    A bit of a tangent, I know, but are we sure the START treaty is such a good thing?
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    It is a plan to spend “$80 billion over 10 years to maintain and modernize the nation’s nuclear arsenal”. And “requires each side (US and Russia) to deploy no more than 1,550 strategic warheads and 700 bombers, missiles and submarine launchers” plus “At least 30 missile silos, 34 bombers and 56 submarine launch tubes would be taken out of service… None of the 14 strategic nuclear submarines will be retired; instead, each will have 4 of its 24 launchers removed.” -link
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    Seems we could do with less. And I’m concerned it is a merely a prelude to US / Russian cooperation on a new missile defense system (in Poland?) – you know, the kind that would never work to stop non-existent Iranian nuclear weapons.

  • afguy


    you know, the kind that would never work to stop non-existent Iranian nuclear weapons.

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    On anything brought in hidden in the back of a beat-up van.
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    You know, the kind of delivery system that a technologically-deprived or cash-starved adversary might have to use because it’s all they can get their hands on.

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    such a feeling of wellbeing, two nations linking arms as one…

  • pintortwo

    Here it is:
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    Russia’s military could be drawn back into the Afghanistan theatre for the first time since the Red Army was forcibly expelled by US-backed mujahideen fighters in 1989 under plans being discussed by Nato officials…
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    The officials said several joint Nato-Russian initiatives on Afghanistan were on the table. They include the contribution of Russian helicopters and crews to train Afghan pilots, possible Russian assistance in training Afghan national security forces, increased co-operation on counter-narcotics and border security, and improved transit and supply routes for Nato forces.
    (…)
    The Russian president is also expected to hold a separate, two-hour meeting with the US president, Barack Obama, Rasmussen and other top Nato leaders. Officials said a separate agreement on limited Russian co-operation with Nato’s European missile defence plans was also in prospect
    . -link
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    I suspect this is a way the Pentagon hopes to justify the existence of NATO (and their budget).

  • http://elvisberg.wordpress.com Elvis Elvisberg

    “My support for moving the Defense Authorization bill forward, which includes a repeal of the Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell policy, will depend on whether the majority allows for an open and fair amendment process,” Murkowski wrote. “This is a weighty, policy-laden bill that normally takes several weeks to debate and amend. If the majority attempts to push it through allowing little or no debate or votes on amendments, I will be inclined to oppose those efforts.” So, maybe DADT isn’t dead quite yet.
    -
    Here, John Cole (lifelong Republican til 2006) will explain it for you: http://www.balloon-juice.com/2010/12/08/just-as-planned/

    This needs to be said, over, and over, and over again- there is no such thing as a moderate Republican. They are all rotten to the core. They either agree with everything the frothing lunatics in the party want to do, or they enable it. Susan Collins may fool herself into thinking she is not a bigot because she personally supports ending DADT, but if you ask me, the wife who sews eyeholes into pillow cases and the kisses her husband on the cheek as he heads off to the Klan rally is as culpable and as much a scumbag as he.

    Any idiot “independents” who can not figure this out, or anyone who pretends to be a “reasonable Republican” should be called out for their complicity.

  • http://elvisberg.wordpress.com Elvis Elvisberg

    Just to be clear about the substance of the demand for debate time, Cole is referring to this Steve Benen post: http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_12/026980.php

    Collins is asking Democratic leaders for unlimited debate on the defense bill. Reid, in turn, is offering Collins a compromise: votes on 10 separate amendments*, seven of which would come from Republicans, three of which would come from Democrats.

    Collins has responded that this isn’t good enough, and she’ll refuse to let the Senate vote up or down on the legislation.

    It’s worth emphasizing that Collins just isn’t being reasonable. Looking back over the last couple of decades, a total of 10 amendments is entirely routine for this defense authorization bill, and is actually far more than the number of amendments considered most of the time.

    Why not just give in and tell Collins she can have unlimited debate? Because Republicans really are desperate to kill the legislation, and the most far-right members will keep offering unrelated amendments indefinitely, running out the clock on the lame-duck session, and derailing the bill.

  • apr2563

    As Josh Marshall stated on TPM, Collins may pull a Lucy and pull the football. Her usual strategy. But, Reid has postponed thus evenings vote hoping to get her vote.
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    http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2010/12/is_that_your_final_answer_1.php?ref=fpblg
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    http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2010/12/progress_2.php?ref=fpblg

  • Paul-no not that one

    I like to compare and contrast TPM’s reporting and TIME’s.
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    Reporting versus conventional Beltway “This is how the game is played” takes.

  • perrywhite1

    Wow, I’m neither Hispanic nor gay, and I’m STILL disappointed! How can that be? I’m so confused!

  • stuartzechman

    How can that be?
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    I blame Kool & the Gang.

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