Working Out The Costs Of Obama’s Grand Tax Cut Bargain

This afternoon, the Republican and Democratic caucuses in both the House and the Senate will huddle to discuss President Obama’s “framework” proposal for cutting taxes and stimulating the economy next year. Of course, since this is Washington, they won’t know the exact cost of the proposal they are debating.

They will know, however, that all of the money to pay for the proposal will come from borrowing against the earning power of future generations. This is not necessarily a terrible thing. Like the 2009 Recovery Act, there are good reasons for the government to do short term borrowing to avoid deep recessions and therefore boost longer-term growth. As a senior administration official said artfully to reporters last night, “These are responsible, temporary measures that support our economy but will not add costs by the middle of the decade.” They are temporary, yes. Responsibility is, of course, a matter of judgement.

So how much will it all cost. White House aides say they don’t know exactly and don’t want to speculate. But there is enough information in the public domain to make a good guess.

The New York Times does a back of the envelope calculation and comes to about $900 billion. CNN puts the number at about $800 billion. It is notable that both figures are bigger than the $787 billion that the Recovery Act cost in 2009, a bill that helped to birth the Tea Party protest movement. But, to be fair, some of these costs would have been spent either way. To use the CNN figures, $383 billion goes to extending Bush tax cuts for incomes under $250,000, a move that is supported by both Democrats and Republicans. If we assume that this cost was already baked into the cake, then we are left with a compromise cost of about $417 billion over two years.

In the president’s telling of this compromise tale, both sides gave a little. Obama says he made two major concessions to Republicans: Extending tax breaks for the wealthiest Americans and lowering the Estate Tax rate more than he had hoped. According to the CNN calculations, the cost of the tax cuts for the wealthy is about $75 billion. The cost of the Estate Tax change to 35 percent with a $5 million exemption is about $88 billion, compared with current law. But Obama supports a lower rate than current law (45 percent with a 3.5 million exemption), which would cost about $45 billion, so he is really only giving up about $43 billion here. In total, that puts the amount of money Obama is borrowing against his will at $118 billion over two years.

But Obama says he is getting something in exchange for this money, namely a number of provisions that would more directly help the middle class and stimulate the flagging economy. They could be fairly characterized as Obama priorities. They include a $120 billion one-year cut to payroll taxes, a $56 billion 13-month extension of unemployment benefits, about $40 billion in tax credits for students and parents with children and others, as well as a number business tax breaks, including accelerated depreciation, that are more difficult to estimate. This all adds up to more than $206 billion.

Now this math comes with some big qualifications. First, it is possible that Republican leadership would have supported the payroll tax cut and business tax breaks next year, at minimum, even without a grand bargain over the top tax rates. Second, these are very rough numbers.

But given those qualifications, the trade-off looks like this: President Obama gave up campaign promises worth $118 billion in exchange for middle class stimulus measures worth at least $206 billion. And the American people will go into debt another $324 billion or more to make it all happen, though some of that money may flow back to the Treasury in the form of increased economic performance down the road.

UPDATE: The liberal Center for American Progress uses slightly different numbers to reach the conclusion that the plan will save or create about 2.2 million jobs.

Related Topics: Barack Obama, Economy, White House
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  • nflfoghorn

    RE that last paragraph: Repubs have problems with unemployment benefits because they always ask how we’re going to pay for them.
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    Now they’ll potentially get continued tax breaks for the rich, big businesses and their lobbyist buddies thru the next election, not caring one bit how we’re going to pay for all this…and will continue to attempt to drum the man who gave them all this out of office.
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    Hypocrisy. A GOP trademark since 1980.

  • grape_crush

    It is notable that both figures are bigger than the $787 billion that the Recovery Act cost in 2009, a bill that helped to birth the Tea Party protest movement.

    And of which, $288B were tax cuts/credits.

    Funny how we can always seem to find the resources sometime in the future in order to provide tax benefits. But doing something that benefits everyone in different ways like extending unemployment without attaching expensive, unnecessary strings? Not so much.

    If only someone in the Senate had the cojones to filibuster this exercise in fiscal hypocrisy and Wimpyism.

  • nflfoghorn

    The White House and Dems don’t seem to understand that
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    threatening to filibuster =/= filibustering
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    I would love to see someone make a jackass of him/herself but nobody takes the person up on it!

  • http://gum0nshoe.wordpress.com gumOnShoe

    I’d have made the argument that this wasn’t an Obama-cut a few months ago, but it clearly is, so he can have all of the blame. G-d help the democrats. Their leaders are betraying their positions along a Republican script.

    Has anyone thought about how all this does is help people who already have jobs? I mean, sure its possible that it might increase spending (although this is unlikely in a world that is still trying to pay down its debt). As far as those who have already lost jobs and are on the outside, they get extensions on unemployment benefits with out any plan to get them hired.

    This is exactly the wrong kind of stimulus. It is unfocused and hence, unlikely to achieve any lasting effects. And when the time runs out, many people will have gotten used to the cuts and have budgeted for them not realizing they would expire. I’m not saying that’s not irresponsible, but it is a fact of life. We’re setting ourselves up for more problems and keeping the pressure off of companies raising wages.

  • centfan

    “They will know, however, that all of the money to pay for the proposal will come from borrowing against the earning power of future generations. This is not necessarily a terrible thing. Like the 2009 Recovery Act, there are good reasons for the government to do short term borrowing to avoid deep recessions and therefore boost longer-term growth.”
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    This is you making that statement Michael? Didn’t we just have an election where a big bunch of Republicans were elected into office precisely because a large chunk of the American electorate didn’t believe that? Are you prepared to call those fine members of the American electorate uninformed rubes? If not, why not? Because you were one of the folks who was supposed to inform them before the election and instead you and your ilk wrote page after page of “woulda, coulda, shoulda” speculation based on things that probably hadn’t happened yet… and never will.

  • http://twitter.com/michaelscherer Michael Scherer

    I am not calling anyone a rube. But the basic mechanism of government stimulation in times of economic recession is widely accepted, by Republicans and Democrats, as well as by just about every economic forecasting body, though the assumptions vary somewhat. Republicans supported their own version of a stimulus effort in 2009. George W. Bush passed a stimulus effort in 2008. The question of balancing that effort against deficit concerns is heavily debated.
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    I think you misread the 2010 polls and outcome. There are some who believe that what economists say to be true is a lie, but this is a small minority. The great outrage of 2010 resulted from the stimulus not having the advertised effect of ending the economic hardship. It wasn’t people rejecting gravity. It was people saying they were sick of floating in space, and they wanted to try something else.

  • charlieromeobravo

    So the only way to win Republican support for the middle class tax cuts is to make a concession to them that runs exactly counter to stated Republican priority of reining in the deficit? Even better, giving more money to the wealth won’t do a thing to stimulate the economy so they don’t even have that fig leaf to hide behind.
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    This is exactly why people hate our government. Just watch. Republicans will take it even further and make the argument for smaller government in the next election, claiming that our citizens hate the government not mentioning that we hate the government for doing things exactly like what the Republican just forced to occur. And they’ll sell that position to the public with a straight face.
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    They claimed for a long time that Obama was out to destroy our way of life but let’s be honest about the Republican agenda. What do you call people that work from the inside of an institution to weaken it to the detriment of the people it serves? That’s how it looks like the Republicans are working to me. Say what you want about the Democrats but at least they aspire to make government better.

  • nflfoghorn

    Thx for commenting Mike. Republicans rail on Dems for their inablility to pay for a stimulus plan…so the GOP in turn gets BO to agree to THEIR stimulus plan for which THEY are unable to pay! Their plan, bad. Ours, good. I don’t believe them for a nanosecond.

  • freeinpa

    “So the only way to win Republican support for the middle class tax cuts is to make a concession to them that runs exactly counter to stated Republican priority of reining in the deficit?”
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    So many distortions so little time.. First, the Republicans supported tax cuts for all. They were never against tax cuts for the middle class.
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    Second no matter how many times you or the Democrats or the MSM repeat it, tax cuts are not spending!

  • http://gum0nshoe.wordpress.com gumOnShoe

    But freep, cutting taxes before reducing spending and without a plan to reduce spending does increase the budget. So, if there were an actual plan for reducing spending, you’d have a point. There isn’t, and Republicans and (in this case) Obama will be largely responsible for the deficit increase. Meanwhile, house dems appear (for a glimmering moment) to be going against the grain. It remains to be scene if they cave to maintain party unity.

  • http://gum0nshoe.wordpress.com gumOnShoe

    ergh multitasking errors.

    “does increase the budget” should be “does increase the deficit”

    I meant what you know.

  • stuartzechman

    Thank you so much for responding to commentary with clarifying remarks, Michael Scherer, it is greatly appreciated.

  • lilaland

    I saw the presidents press conference and it lowered my anger at him.. I can see where he is coming from.. but still, he has given away something huge.. and it feels wrong. Everything about it feels wrong. My gut tells me it is wrong, my heart is heavy.. and my mind doubts.
    The republicans are too happy.
    Obama seemed strong when he was showing his anger over the public option debate,, a debate I was on his side for, I understood the significance of skeleton bill he got past because I know history.. but this is NOT the public option all over again.. or maybe it is.. but for the right.. it is a right wing skeleton bill.. a bill that they will wave about proving that even the most liberal precedent endorses Reaganomics.
    It feel wrong. It is wrong. Obama has hurt our party.. even though he might be helping some suffering American people in the immediate circumstances.. I worry it will hurt many more longer down the road. Obama is long headed. I trust that about him.. but I don’t think he is seeing this one clearly. I surely hope I’m wrong.

  • http://gum0nshoe.wordpress.com gumOnShoe

    Sorry, but you aren’t wrong. Obama just destroyed something utterly, and you’re acknowledging that.
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    He’s pretty much admitted he’ll negotiate with terrorists and give them what they want. In this case, the terrorists were Republicans.
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    “Cave to our demands and give the wealthy more money they don’t need, or else.”

  • stuartzechman

    Michael Scherer:
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    In your update, you write:
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    The liberal Center for American Progress uses slightly different numbers
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    Here’s CAP’s President and CEO John Podesta on what being a “progressive” (not liberal) means:
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    link to PDF of Podesta’s speech at Oxford, England, March 4, 2006

    Center for American Progress’ PODESTA:
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    …both countries [Great Britain and the US] evidently made a decision to invade Iraq based on faith, rather than a plan.
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    And in the 1990s, we shared a common governing principle, which I would like to turn to now.
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    Beginning in the early 1990s, I had the opportunity to watch two gifted political leaders on opposite sides of the Atlantic complete the modernization of their political parties through a program they called the Third Way.
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    In my own country, Bill Clinton assumed the leadership of a progressive movement that many thought had run its course…
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    My organization, the Center for American Progress, is leading the effort in the United States of America to again modernize the machinery of progressivism.
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    Half the battle is won.

    As Podesta says, his organization is leading the effort to “modernize the machinery of progressivism…through a program…called the Third Way.”
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    Have you asked members of the message shop/think tank that actually named itself “Third Way” (you know, the one Bill Galston works for sometimes) what they think of movement liberalism lately, Michael Scherer?
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    The Center for American Progress can accurately be described as “center-left” or “Third Way,” or even “progressive,” but not “liberal.”
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    The only sense in which CAP can be described “liberal” is the same sense with which the movement right describes the President as a “socialist.”
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    So now I am forced to ask what should be a rhetorical question in semi-rhetorical fashion, unfortunately:
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    You’re aware that the Third Way is an entirely different political-economic philosophy than liberalism, right, Michael Scherer?

  • freeinpa

    “But freep, cutting taxes before reducing spending and without a plan to reduce spending does increase the budget.”
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    See that is the spin from the left (actually its a lie). No one is cutting taxes. It is keeping current rates where they are, so any increase in spending above this year will increase the deficit. In the twisted world of Washington, only keeping rates constant could be called a tax cut and a decrease in spending (but still above the year past) is called a cut. Seriously, if people ran their businesses with that accounting mentality they would be in jail.

  • http://twitter.com/michaelscherer Michael Scherer

    I use liberal and progressive interchangeably. I would be suprised if Galston could get a gig at CAP. As it is he is at the far more centrist Brookings. You can argue that there are groups more to the left than CAP, but I don’t think you can argue that they are about triangulation. They are about getting liberal/progressive results, which means sometimes they are not orthodox, but still liberal.

  • http://gum0nshoe.wordpress.com gumOnShoe

    You didn’t read the proposal. The proposal is this:
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    • Continue all tax cuts for 2 years (you’re correct this doesn’t change anything, even if it does leave bills unpaid since there is no plan to adjust spending to match even these 10 year old cuts).
    • Reduces the taxes on estates to 35% and lowers the available taxable estate to that only above 5 million. I believe it was 1 million before.
    • Creates a new cut for a period of one year on income less than or equal to $100,000, by reducing the rate from 6.4% to 4.4%.
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    So, there are at least two new tax cuts while no spending is reduced.
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    All of the Republicans so far are supporting this, even without spending cuts.
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    Democrats feel it adds debt with little to no gain for the country and are considering opposing it.
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    Please explain how this makes Republicans “fiscally conservative.” lol, I’d love to hear this.

  • charlieromeobravo

    Freep,
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    “First, the Republicans supported tax cuts for all. They were never against tax cuts for the middle class.”
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    Didn’t say they were *against* middle class tax cuts, just that they were holding them hostage to make sure that wealthy people who need the cuts the least didn’t get left out.
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    “Second no matter how many times you or the Democrats or the MSM repeat it, tax cuts are not spending!”
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    I never called it spending either. I said that the Republican desire to make sure rich people people got included in the tax cuts puts the country farther away from the stated Republican goal of deficit reduction and fiscal responsibility. You can’t argue that the Republicans are getting busy righting the nation’s balance sheet if they’re actively pushing for the most expensive, unfunded version of the tax cut extensions. By holding out for tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans they’ve chosen the least fiscally responsible path to retain these tax cuts.
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    I’m happy to debate the merits of my arguments but at least do me the courtesy of correctly stating my position. It’s easier to knock down the arguments you wish we were making though isn’t it?

  • http://gum0nshoe.wordpress.com gumOnShoe

    Michael, Jews for Jesus think they are Jewish.
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    Do you get my point?
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    I could say I’m a cow, that doesn’t mean I am. I could moo. If I were a woman, I could produce gallons of milk. I still wouldn’t be a cow.
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    Some words aren’t interchangeable.
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    I’m at a loss for how you could imply that centrists, liberals, and conservatives are on the same sliding continuum and that continuum is 2 dimensional and not 3 dimensional.

  • freeinpa

    “Creates a new cut for a period of one year on income less than or equal to $100,000, by reducing the rate from 6.4% to 4.4%.”
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    I believe you are (hopefully) referring to payroll taxes (FICA) here. Well if you believe or follow the logic that low and middle income people need tax relief to increase consumption this is one of the few ways to get it since many in the lower income brackets pay little or no income tax now. Republicans argue for this in the original stimulus package and got nowhere. I believe this is an effective way to get money back into the economy.
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    The estate tax I think you are slightly incorrect. In 2009 I believe it was 45% on $3.5 mil and none in 2010 and was scheduled to rise to 55% above $1 mil. Again it is a tax increase not a tax cut from the current year. The estate tax in large part is just a blatant grab of taxes on money that has already been taxed several times. I don’t think it derives much revenue anyway since the truly large estates are sheltered through various tax vehicles. Th effect of the tax is that it probably destroys more of the economy as businesses need to be liquidated many times to pay the tax than estate taxes it collects.
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    And I agree with you, there are no spending cuts to be found. But last I checked Democrats run Congress and they should have passed budget resolution for spending already and have not. The new Repubs coming into Congress have promised to put forth spending cut proposals every week. We will see if they keep their word, if not they should be thrown out as well.

  • mriphysician

    I think for many of us the BUSH tax cuts created the problem we have now. Eliminating them at a cost of a slight increase to the middle class is well worth the benefits. I think we would be much closer to a balanced budget. Since the risk of depression is past us and there is only a small chance of double dip recession this is the time to SACRIFICE for your country and start to pay for the two wars and the increased security costs of a post 9-11 world. I believe that energy conservation – green energy and nuclear energy should be our focus to get off fossil fuels as soon as possible. Canada has seen the future way ahead of us. They have a workable national health plan and as a result people do business there. We have lost many auto jobs to Canada – and who knows how many other jobs. Their unemployment rate is 7.8 percent – Obama needs to ask us to pay a little more and risk losing the 2012 election on the principle that guiding us to a debt free future is what he should do. Be more republican than the republicans I say. But he failed us last night.

  • freeinpa

    “So the only way to win Republican support for the middle class tax cuts is”
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    Sorry but I believe that you statement above does imply that Repubs did not support middle class tax cuts. If I misunderstood I apologize. .
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    “Even better, giving more money to the wealth”
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    Again I interpreted your statement of “giving” as spending. In reality it is the income earners money not the governments. And the biggest fallacy is that by having taxes increases it will reduce the deficit and stop spending. I propose neither would be the result.

  • http://erieangel.wordpress.com erieangel

    When the Bush tax cuts were passed in ’01 and ’03, they were paid for from the surplus left by Clinton. No offset in spending was originally needed. They still cost us, because the cuts caused the surplus to be used for things that taxes had been paying for. No we are continuing to pay for tax cuts, not from a surplus in the federal budget, as that’s gone, but by borrowing money to pay for things that tax monies are needed to pay for.
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    Our income taxes payes for the saleries of every government employee. They pay for the upkeep, utilites, ect., of every government building and tourist site (i.e., all those Washington monuments). They subsidize local and state spending on roads, bridges, schools, police and fire departments. But the vast majority of income taxes goes to military spending. One thing income taxes do not pay for is social security. Social security is maintained through our payroll taxes and now Obama has agreed to a cut those as well.
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    And now Obama has put himself into a position of not only defending these cuts in 2 years, but also defending the need to let them expire at that time–all the while campaigning for re-election. Even if Obama were to (unlikely) decide not to go for a second term, this so-called compromise will hurt any Democratic candidate.
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    I don’t agree with many policies of the Republicans and when they do decide to govern, I feel they do lousy job of it. However, they certainly know how to win elections.

  • http://gum0nshoe.wordpress.com gumOnShoe

    I believe you are (hopefully) referring to payroll taxes (FICA) here. Well if you believe or follow the logic that low and middle income people need tax relief to increase consumption this is one of the few ways to get it since many in the lower income brackets pay little or no income tax now. Republicans argue for this in the original stimulus package and got nowhere. I believe this is an effective way to get money back into the economy.

    No, I don’t believe they need tax relief. I believe they need to see their employers increase their wages. I believe lowering taxes is a way to remove pressure on businesses to provide adequate wages and that when these cuts expire the people will be in worse shape because our leaders couldn’t do the responsible thing at the time.
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    I believe a targeted stimulus aimed at decreasing the cost of doing business in this country would be far better than tax cuts. IE, reducing shipping costs, upgrading the infrastructure of this company, etc. If you have an old computer that runs slow, you get a new one with a better processor, dust free fans, and a new un-warped hard drive. And when you can’t get a completely new computer, you upgrade what parts you can and give it a good cleaning.

  • http://gum0nshoe.wordpress.com gumOnShoe

    And in all honesty, 3 dimensions doesn’t quite cut it either. Anything else is an attempt to create dichotomies that don’t exist.

  • http://gum0nshoe.wordpress.com gumOnShoe

    So,
    The Curious Capatilist just called you out <- linked if it doesn't turn red.

  • bobleeswagger308

    Once again. Tax cuts do not add one cent to the deficit, spending on credit does. Tax money is still the money of the taxpayer, not the government so cutting taxes adds nothing. Anyone too stupid to understand that needs to shut up. For those of you who want to pay more taxes, write the check, send it to Treasury, and shut up. I want my taxes only to go to those items the Constitution specifies like national defense therefore illegal aliens and their kids can starve to death, deadbeats sucking Social Security dry via SSI and Medicaid can do the same. Pay more if you want, but don’t say a word to me. Got it???

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    Ther’s just no way It can be said any better, boblee. When people aren’t making money, they’re not paying taxes. Never in my life have I ever seen a tax increase create jobs. Eliminating jobs, increasing taxes on those lucky enough to still have their jobs…? I don’t get it.

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