Sock Puppet Theater: The House Passes Bill to Make Bush’s Middle Class Tax Cuts Permenant

The House today passed 234-188 a permanent extension of Bush’s tax cuts for those making $250,000 or less. A handful of Dems – mostly moderates and surviving Blue Dogs — defected and voted against the measure, which was, essentially, sock puppet theater for the benefit of the Democratic base. Even if the Senate takes a similar vote, it won’t pass. “This is the same kind of politics that the Democratic caucus has practiced the last couple of years: taking positions that are untenable in the Senate, either to make a political point or to get some kind of bargaining power,” said Artur Davis, a Democrat who lost a bid for Alabama governor earlier this year and so won’t be returning in January. “Everyone in DC knows what’s going to happen: there is going to be a permanent extension for the middle class and a short term extension for upper income people because the Obama Administration can’t eat a tax increase on January 1st for the whole country. The Republicans happen to have all the cards here and that’s the political reality. And the idea that the House is getting bargaining power for this vote completely misreads the political situation. This is a purely symbolic vote, one which some members, like me, are voting against to protest”.

The vote came half an hour before White House, Democratic and Republican negotiators were set to meet on the first floor on the House-side of the Capitol to hammer out a deal on extending the tax cuts for the rich. A permanent extension is unlikely, but some Republicans have indicated they would be willing to accept an extension of a couple of years for the upper bracket tax cuts.

Republicans were outraged by today’s vote, which comes two days after the White House and Democratic leaders pledged to work together on the issue at the so-called slurpee summit. The vote was designed to embarrass the GOP and to force them to vote against making permanent the middle class tax cuts for the sake of those for the wealthiest Americans. House Speaker-elect John Boehner called the move “chicken crap” in a press conference with reporters. “This is nonsense,” Boehner continued. “The election was one month ago. We are 23 months from the next election and the political games have already started trying to set up the next election.”

Chris Van Hollen, a Marlyand Democrat and advisor to Speaker Pelosi, defended the vote, saying the House could not and should not take votes because of what “may or may not happen in the Senate.” “It was important to the House to do what we think is the best thing for the country and the economy right now and it was a very big vote – a margin of more than 50 – and so we thought it was important to send a message on tax relief on the middle class in a way that doesn’t blow a $700 billion hole in the deficit. That was the right approach for the economy and for fiscal responsibility.”

The vote shows the tightrope that Dems must walk going forward: President Obama has to work on satisfying a base upset that Don’t Ask Don ‘t Tell has yet to be repealed, the Employee Free Choice Act has languished, the DREAM Act is stuck, climate change is dead and health care passed without a strong public plan. Compromise is not a word that excites the Democratic base: they feel far too much compromising has already been done under the squandered Democratic majorities of the last two years. At the same time, to get anything done now that Republicans control the House (or will as of January), Obama’s going to have to learn to work with Republicans.

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  • http://gum0nshoe.wordpress.com gumOnShoe

    Obama’s going to have to learn to work with Republicans.

    Did you seriously just write that? Pick a 4 letter word, any four letter word…

    No really, I’ve never read a more idiotic line on a news site in the last year.

    You must have your head up something dark & smelly.

  • apr2563

    What gumOnShoe just said.
    Tell us please how much more should Obama bend over? How much more disingenuous can Republican’s be?
    Please, please tell us what more should Obama learn?

  • http://gum0nshoe.wordpress.com gumOnShoe

    Let me elaborate.
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    President Obama is the check & balance on the legislative branch. It is the legislative branch’s responsiblity to learn to work with him. Not the other way around.
    ·
    Note the well documented capitulation President Obama has practiced the last two years, and the lack of any positive response from the GOP; it would be impossible for Obama to try any harder to work with them without him bowing down, kissing their feet, and beginning to take orders.
    ·
    If anyone needs a lesson on “WORKING WITH OTHERS” we all know who that is.

  • lilaland

    Obama is a douche.
    I no longer like him on a personal level. The republicans walk him like a dog.
    Obama is the republicans poodle.

  • deconstructiva

    Actually, Jay, I’d disagree with Davis about R’s having all the cards. The one they won’t have is overriding Obama’s veto. As tepid as he’s been, he’ll draw the line at allowing ACA to be repealed. Granted he likely won’t play the last card as often as needed, but it’s still there. As for your last sentence, I politel disagree: don’t see any benefit in working with R’s when they openly want him to fail, repeal ACA, etc.
    .
    Jay, do YOU and teammates (MS, Katy, MC, etc.) have a betting pool on R-driven govt. shutdowns, whether now over tax cuts or next year over real Rand Paul budget / debt cutting (if any), ACA failed repeal, etc.? I do …for next year, not this month; where’s Gingrich when the R’s need him? Thanks for your thoughts, Jay (do reply to us more often now and then), and good luck with thick skin over last sentence.

  • gwbc

    I agree although nothing that ms small brain writes surprises me , she is just probably echoing sarah’s tweets and other body sounds

  • http://gum0nshoe.wordpress.com gumOnShoe

    I also retract any previous statements about your level-headed-ness. I don’t know what I was reading/thinking.

  • lilaland

    I understand the only real issue Obama has a passionate connection to is the nuclear proliferation issue. I imagine he will bend over and suck toes while he takes it.. on the tax cuts issue.. if he can secure the nuclear treaty. He wants that to be his legacy. He always has. The republicans know they can dangle that carrot and he will give them what they want. It’s dog walking.
    What ever.

    I’m disgusted watching the show.

  • http://shortplaysaboutrealpeople.wordpress.com Michael Maiello

    The Republicans wrote the current tax code, which passed in a bipartisan manner. The current tax code has a sunset provision for 2011. That could have been removed any time over the last 7 years but it wasn’t.

    So why, if the law performs as written (which must mean “as intended” if the Supreme Court has any useful purpose) is it the administration, in office since 2008 that “eats” a Jan 1 tax increase?

    And don’t tell me it’s because “the president is always held responsible.” That’s the fault of bad reporting and bad information. Certainly, the American public can understand that these cuts were temporary by design.

    The whole problem is this talk of “extending the Bush tax cuts.” The Bush tax cuts are over because Bush wanted them to be over. Now we should discuss what tax rates should be going forward.

  • apr2563

    Jay, you must think everything the Dem House does is “sock puppet theater”. It is almost a given that anything they send to the Senate will be filabusted. Should they just stop legislating?

  • deconstructiva

    Next year they probably will stop legislating, literally, so I wouldn’t criticize Jay for that. Especially when the sincere TP’s like R-Paul start fighting the corporate money-grabbing old-school R’s over real budget / debt issues. I don’t think the R’s will stay 100% united after the W tax cut issue is resolved (my bet: everything as is gets extended two years).

  • shepherdwong

    Sock Puppet Theater: Thursday at Swampland, apparently.

  • gwbc

    do you have any proof that Jay is capable of thinking.

  • http://elvisberg.wordpress.com Elvis Elvisberg

    What apr2563 just said.
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    Remember, the GOP has no beliefs about policy, only a series of resentments. Obama has tried to compromise with them again and again, only to wind up like Charlie Brown kicking Lucy’s football
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    Here’s some substantiation of that point: http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_06/024459.php

    The point isn’t to point out Republican inconsistencies; that’s fairly routine. The point is to demonstrate that Republicans are so fundamentally unserious about solving public policy challenges, that they’ll shamelessly move the goalposts at a moment’s notice. The party supports cap-and-trade, EITC, industry bailouts, housing vouchers, and mandatory health insurance — right up until there’s a Democratic president. Then, Republicans are no longer willing to even consider Republican ideas.

    When the [Jay Newton-Smalls] of the world lecture the dysfunctional Congress on the importance of policymakers working together in good faith, this dynamic tends to be overlooked entirely. Credible people who are serious about solving problems can formulate consensus solutions. But they’ll invariably fail because Republicans have no qualms about fighting against their own proposals.

  • Paul-no not that one

    JNS thanks for breaking down the effects on the economy and the budget that this bill could cause.
    .
    Giving us actual information so the readership can better understand why it is important that it passes (or dies) is serving your journalistic charge.
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    Kudos.

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    “Obama’s going to have to learn to work with Republicans.”

    Do Republicans have any obligations? For example, are they obligated to try to work with Obama, or is it a one way street? Are they obligated not to pursue policies that are useless in their benefit, that add billions of debt to the nation? Are they obligated to be consistent with their own rhetoric. Do they have any responsibilities at all, or is it always just the Left that needs to bend to the dictates of the Right?

  • http://therealestamerican.wordpress.com therealestamerican

    gumOnShoe, of course, Ms Jay Newton-Small is correct.
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    He has not capitulated completely to the will of Real Americans who voted him out of power a few short weeks ago.
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    That’s what he has to “learn”. How to utterly surrender and totally commit himself to the Republican platform. And he could act more humble around his betters. I’m just sayin’.

  • shepherdwong

    Do Republicans have any obligations?
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    All they have to vote to raise taxes on 95% of Americans, vote against unemployment insurance payments for another couple of million, effectively shut down the government of the United States in paid service to multinational corporations, all while lying through their teeth right in the face of intrepid journalists like JNS, then we can sit back and enjoy a nice post about the obvious futility and dishonesty of House Democrats passing a massive tax relief bill for middle-class workers. Hacktacular!

  • http://shortplaysaboutrealpeople.wordpress.com Michael Maiello

    @gwbc: I think that’s out of line. Please abuse JNS constructively. We all know she’s an intelligent and talented journalist. We read and respond to her, after all. And we like the bloggers here to take the commenters somewhat seriously, which is hard to achieve when people yell “U’re teh stoopid@” at them.

  • Paul-no not that one

    Gibbs-
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    “”The President continues to believe that extending middle class tax cuts is the most important thing we can do for our economy right now and he applauds the House for passing a permanent extension. But, because Republicans have made it clear that they won’t pass a middle class extension without also extending tax cuts for the wealthy, the President has asked Director Lew and Secretary Geithner to work with Congress to find a way forward. Those discussions started just yesterday and are continuing this afternoon. The talks are ongoing and productive, but any reports that we are near a deal in the tax cuts negotiations are inaccurate and premature.”
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    “But, because Republicans have made it clear that they won’t pass a middle class extension without also extending tax cuts for the wealthy, the President has asked Director Lew and Secretary Geithner to work with Congress to find a way forward.”
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    Gosh that BHO is quite the fighter. Pathetic.

  • shepherdwong

    Gosh that BHO is quite the fighter. Pathetic.
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    I’m sorry to say this (I really am) but I don’t Obama is a coward or and idiot. I think he’s a liar. You don’t fold your cards at the beginning if you intend to play the hand. It’s the public option all over again.

  • Paul-no not that one

    Yep, I don’t think the White House has any sense of the lack of credibility.
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    I’m about thisclose to tuning him out like I did his predecessor. And that’s doesn’t bring me pleasure.

  • lilaland

    “They said it couldn’t be done.”

    That one line hooked me. Obama won my support that day.

    “They said it couldn’t be done.”

    Yes We Can.

    Where is that guy? We can pass the tax cut extention for the middle and let them run out for top 2%.

    Yes We Can.

    Obama needs to lead.

    At the very, very least.. he needs to explain to me why he is not a douche and a dog being walked.

  • shepherdwong

    At the very, very least.. he needs to explain to me why he is not a douche and a dog being walked.
    .
    I suspect it’s because the people doing the walking own all the sidewalk. I don’t know if that makes him a douche but it explains the short leash and the pretext that he’s leading.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    JNS’s Villager cluelessness is significantly more pronouned today than usual. Her analysis of why “the base” is upset is particularly tone deaf. It never occurs to her that the reason liberals are upset is because the entire debate on the deficit is based on a lie and that she’s helping to spread that lie by pretending that the Republicans actually give a rats a$$ about the deficit or the National debt. Coupled with the news that the Tea Party Caucus loves Pork, you can see clearly that this vote is designed specifically to expose the liars for what they are.
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    But JNS, being the journalist that she is, regards that as impolite.

  • lilaland

    “I suspect it’s because the people doing the walking own all the sidewalk. I don’t know if that makes him a douche but it explains the short leash and the pretext that he’s leading.”

    Do they own all the sidewalk? Bush got those tax cuts passed by reconciliation. It is a budgetary measure.
    Let the republicans try and block the middle class tax extension. Obama and the senate can get the bill through. Then they can let the tax cuts for the top 2% run.
    Why are democrats such pu$$ies?

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    Shep
    .
    Do you support a primary challenge?

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    They just want to add billions more in debt, on a useless tax cut for the rich, because of how much they love the country. Their love of country even trumps their concern for fiscal responsibility.

  • deconstructiva

    6.4: FTW, though I didn’t know anyone (including the reporters / bloggers) took us seriously.

  • shepherdwong

    Why are democrats such pu$$ies?
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    If you make your living working in the Village, or even if you don’t, being afraid to cross our oligarchs is one of the most rational fears I can think of. Bush got what he wanted because that’s what they wanted and for the foreseeable future, that’s all there is, public policy wise.

  • http://elvisberg.wordpress.com Elvis Elvisberg

    MSM journalists lack the ability, interest, or incentives to report intelligently about policy. So they treat everything as dinner theater (or “sock puppet theater,” which doesn’t make sense because “sock puppet” has a particular meaning in political debates, but whatever).
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    See, e.g., this summary of how the press “covered” the health insurance reform debate: http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1634/media-coverage-health-care-reform-debate-review

    The debate centered more on politics than the workings of the health care system. Fully 41% of health care coverage focused on the tactics and strategy of the debate while various reform proposals filled another 23%. But only 9% of the coverage focused on a core issue — how our health care system currently functions, what works and what doesn’t.

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    And it may actually have been even worse than that. http://www.journalism.org/analysis_report/horserace_coverage_dominates

    Descriptions of the various plans and proposals for health care reform accounted for 23% of the coverage, the second-largest storyline. Some of those stories contained substantive analyses of the various legislative proposals. But many others, while outlining the elements of the proposals, also focused on the political calculus for passage.

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    But the reason we care about the government is because it implements policies that affect people’s lives. And the reason that every MSM publication is going bankrupt is that they do not provide a service worth paying for.

  • http://gum0nshoe.wordpress.com gumOnShoe

    JNS is not proving to be intelligent or talented at disseminating facts, but rather at disseminating her own opinion. While she is not unintelligent, her motives definitely deserve questioning and her goals analyzed. I don’t think it’d be incorrect to assume she’s a Republican and that she’s shilling their ideas or possibly her own. And if she isn’t, she’s no better than Beck or Rush who spread controversy for ratings.

  • shepherdwong

    But JNS, being the journalist that she is, regards that as impolite.
    .
    The “l-word” must never be spoken from withing the Village. How convenient for Republicans and other mendacious “conservatives”.
    .
    But it’s also simply quoting Republicans and “conservatives” completely credulously (you don’t have to call them liars to put their talking points where they belong) and taking your “analysis” from other know-nothing Beltway journos. Real analysis by a thinking, working journalist might look something like this:

    …this is a bill that’s already passed and left the House, and the only changes in it are Senate-made amendments, it can’t be recommitted, which means there can’t be a motion to recommit. Why not? Well, when a motion to recommit passes, it technically sends a bill back to the committee that reported it out. But this bill has already left the custody of the House when it passed the first time. That material can’t be recommitted, and neither can the Senate material, which was never in the hands of the House committee in the first place. So by definition, it can’t be recommitted. The only thing that can happen is that the House can agree to the Senate amendment, disagree to it, or agree to it with additional amendments. That’s it. No recommittal. And only the amendments the Rules Committee allows.

    But repeating the Village “it won’t pass” CW and thinking up some Church of Savvy headline to point some FAIL snark at Democrats must be so much more self-validating, if you’re just an empty-headed, valueless Beltway “journalist”.
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    http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/12/2/924881/-The-House-gets-clever-on-tax-cuts-debate

  • deconstructiva

    re: dinner theater (good term), it may come down to the individual, not just MSM or LSM. TV offers examples (go figure). Few would question Cronkite’s or Murrow’s work, but they worked at CBS, not an independent local station. Some here (including me) respect and follow Maddow and Olbermann (of course right-leaning ones here don’t) but they’re on a cable channel, not pondering for The Nation.
    .
    The 24-hour cycle alas offers the same ol’ crap rehashed to fill up time (esp. on CNN). There’s not other news going on in other countries? e.g., Ireland’s mess ain’t our own yet, but whither Germany if they get po’ed enough to walk out on the euro. That may or may not benefit the dollar or tank our markets w/ currency uncercenties. Maybe we can get Jay to leave DC (and Rangel) for a week to go to Europe to ponder political angles to the eurocrap drama (and post pix of the touristy stuff).

  • shepherdwong

    jc, it will depend completely upon the circumstances and the challenger. At present and under the present circumstances, I don’t believe that anyone can go against our plutocrats on policy (because it’s basically us or them) and win. Other than a couple of liberal blogs, a hand full of cable and newspaper pundits and a few barely read magazines, they own everything. Other than Independent, Socialist Bernie Sanders, I can’t think of a single major player in Washington that will make the progressive case in public. That tells you that circumstances will have to change (for one thing, our valueless, empty-headed press corps still treats “conservative” liars and traitors with credulousness and respect) before anyone can lead a populist, progressive campaign. Unfortunately, they will have to get worse and that could propel us in either direction.

  • Cliff

    I had to go back and read the post to make sure I hadn’t missed a Christmas miracle.

  • lilaland

    But “they” said it couldn’t be done.

    Did we not prove them wrong? Can democrats not see that proving the oligarchs wrong.. lifts the American soul. It gives people something to believe in. Can they not tap into that spirit again? Does Obama have to be such a poodle? Does he really? Did he mean that “We are the ones we have been waiting for” as a warning that all politicians are pets of the Unities Corporations of America. We are on our own. There is no hope?

  • Art Pepper

    Obama’s going to have to learn to work with Republicans to balance the Federal budget by cutting more taxes.

  • pintortwo

    This is f’n ridiculous.
    .
    And yes, I know the Rs want nothing to do with working with the Pres or the dems; they see Obama’s legislative failures as good for business (the business of campaigning); extending these cuts is the opposite of fiscal prudence; so on and so on…
    .
    But I blame Obama. He sold us out. He never wanted to let these tax rates expire. He never wanted to offer us a public option (or any real reform for HC). He never wanted to get out of Iraq and Afghanistan or to change course from the neocon playbook. He never wanted to reform campaign finance. He never wanted to impact the banks’ ability to fleece us. He never wanted to create jobs through new government programs. He never wanted to limit wasteful defense spending.
    .
    And the worst part is, liberals are getting blamed for his f-ups. Not that liberalism necessarily needs to be The Way in US politics, but it would be nice to let liberals join the discussion.
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    No, he blew it for us. In doing so, he has given even more power to the elites, perhaps for decades to come.

  • Cliff

    But JNS, being the journalist that she is, regards that as impolite.
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    Also, she hates you for saying that the liars are lying.
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    It’s okay, she hates me, too.

  • Cliff

    Here is the valid Tom Tomorrow strip on the matter:
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    http://www.salon.com/entertainment/comics/this_modern_world/2010/11/30/this_modern_world
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    I don’t know if TIME journalists read Tom Tomorrow, because it tells the truth.

  • http://elvisberg.wordpress.com Elvis Elvisberg

    Hahaha, that is excellent. Sad, in that it’s leading to the destruction of America, but funny.
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    I always like this Tom Tomorrow on who gets to be a talking head: http://www.thismodernworld.com/arc/2006/TMW07-05-06colorlowrescopy.jpg

  • js112

    Why is no one talking about just letting the cuts expire? The polls I have seen show that most people are not in favor of a tax cut to the rich. Let them expire and rightly blame the Republicans for hurting the middle class (in their attempt to help the rich). I truly believe if the Democrats do that it will hurt the Republicans.

  • ogliberal

    “Everyone in DC knows what’s going to happen: there is going to be a permanent extension for the middle class and a short term extension for upper income people because the Obama Administration can’t eat a tax increase on January 1st for the whole country.”
    +++
    Davis is wrong and if that is what everybody in DC “knows”, they are wrong as well. There is no way the GOP will settle for a permanent cut for the under $250k crowd and at temporary extension – say, 2-3 years – for the over 250K bunch. It’s either permanent for all or temporary for all. They know they can’t get permanent for all but I think at this point they don’t actually want permanent for all. They want a temporary extension for everybody because they want to have this same fight in 2012. And they want to have this fight because they think that when the argument is over taxes a) they always win and b) the Dems always let them win. But the argument can’t be about tax cuts for only those making over $250K…that’s a losing political argument. So they will never let the two be handled separately. Of course, the Dems could offer a permanent cut for the under $250K and a temp cut for the over $250K – ie, a true bipartisan and perfectly reasonable compromise, but the GOP would never go for it. And the Dems will fold in the face of a threatened filibuster – one that will be joined by those “principled Blue State GOP moderates” like the Ladies from Maine and Scott Brown…and maybe even Lieberman and a some ConservaDems, like Landrieu and Nelson. So the Democrats will give the GOP exactly what they want – a temporary extension for all – in exchange for a few GOP votes on an unemployment extension and START treaty, neither of which should be controversial or partisan issues. And we’ll be having this same argument during a presidential election year, one in which even more Dem Senators – think Tester, Nelson, McCaskill – are going to be feel threatened and scare to the bejesus that a vote for any tax increase, even just increases for the over $250K crowd – will doom them in the upcoming election. (elections they may lose no matter what happens on taxes)
    +++
    The GOP may have very few ideas – and the ones they have are terrible. And they may be liked less than Obama or the Dems. But you have to admit that they know how to play this game much, much better than the Democrats. Pelosi is about the only one who can play it as good as they can and the Dems tried to dump her from the leadership.

  • http://gum0nshoe.wordpress.com gumOnShoe

    Because I don’t have enough faith in the Democratic message makers to actually get that message across. It took 8 years to convince the American people Bush was bad for us.

  • Paul-no not that one

    So there will be Senate votes tomorrow.
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    How does the White House feel about the upper chamber “extending middle class tax cuts (which are) the most important thing we can do for our economy right now and he applauds the House for passing a permanent extension.”?
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    “(D)on’t expect to see the President or White House surrogates slamming House and Senate Republicans for holding middle class tax cuts hostage for millionaires. If anything, the White House wishes none of this was happening, and that they could cut a deal without any Sturm und Drang.”
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    http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/12/senate-planning-four-tax-cut-votes-tomorrow.php?ref=fpblg

  • Cliff

    I remember that one, yeah. Also amazingly relevant, especially after they hired Erick Erickson onto CNN.

  • js112

    True, that’s my main concern with that strategy too. Somehow the Republicans will convince the public that the Democrats are going against the will of the people and are facist socialists (wait…that’s already happened).

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    Durbin: “It’s not totally off the table, but I tell you, we accept the reality and the reality is that raising taxes for middle-income families is not good for them and it’s not good for the economy. I hope that the Republicans will acknowledge that at some point.”
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    Via Olivier Knox, AFP, who was scheduled on my webcast this evening. Had to beg off to cover.
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    The bluff may still be called. Seems like an obvious maneuver, and odd that JNS doesn’t raise it.
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    To be clear, House JUST passes the $250K and under bracket extension. Reid forces a very public filibuster from GOP. Bill (supposedly) fails–Republicans are not bluffing.
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    Obama proposes the same 250K cut on January 2. Challenges Republicans to oppose a tax cut.

  • Cliff

    the Dems could offer a permanent cut for the under $250K and a temp cut for the over $250K – ie, a true bipartisan and perfectly reasonable compromise
    .
    Well, perfectly reasonable in except that it’ll cost $800 billion for no reason except to keep the richest and most comfortable segments of our society from crying loudly.
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    Oh, and also except that all the Dems have to do to win the issue is do nothing and let the tax cuts expire automatically, and the only reason they would possibly offer the compromise is to play out a Lucy – Charlie Brown scenario where they try desperately and in vain to get the GOP to play nice.
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    Apart from that, no reason at all to not extend the tax cuts for everyone!

  • stuartzechman

    Jay Newton-Small:
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    These are not “Middle Class Tax Cuts.”
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    That’s a slogan, not an accurate description.
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    These are tax cuts for everybody that apply to the first $250,000 of income.
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    Got that?
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    If you make $40 thousand a year, you get a tax cut on all of your income.
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    If you make $140 thousand a year, you get a tax cut on all of your income.
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    If you make $1 million a year, you get a tax cut on…the first $250,000 of your income.
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    It’s a tax cut for everybody on their first $250,000.
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    Can you please call the tax cuts what they are, instead of using political slogans as confusing short-hand?

  • kbanginmotown

    I agree, Michael!
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    Who are we to second-guess the wisdom of those who felt that a 10-year tax decrease was the proper plan?
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  • ogliberal

    I assume you are advocating that we let the tax cuts for the over $250K crowd expire because of the $800B figure you cite. (I believe letting them expire for all rates would save us about $3 trillion.) Yeah, I’d like that as well. (and, again, I assume you’re talking about the top 5% – letting them all expire makes more sense deficit-wise but Obama campaigned heavy on not hitting the “bottom” 95%) But the reality is that there are enough Dems to oppose Obama on the $250K and over limit. If he throws them a temp extension for that crowd, it should – emphasis on “should” – be an offer they can’t refuse…and it should – emphasis on “should” = bring along at least a couple so-called “moderate” (until a tea bagger primaries me) GOPers. The problem is that I while I think the temp extension for the over $250K crowd will win over folks like Nelson and Lieberman I’m not sure it will work with any GOPer, not the Ladies from Maine, not Brown, not anybody.
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    Also, I don’t think extending the cuts for the top $250K for the 250K+ would increase the deficit by 800B…I think that’s the 10-year or longer estimate. Don’t get me wrong, I’d like to see the cuts for all of the above $250K crowd (I’d actually lower that ceiling but that’s me) expire. But that’s just not going to happen. So force them into a politically messy position where they are forced – and their base and funders will force them – to argue for an extension/permanance of cuts for the 250K only crowd in 2012.

  • Cliff

    You’re right, the $800 billion number comes from the ten year estimate.
    .
    You make good points, but I don’t think there’s anything Obama can do at this point that won’t get him accused of raising taxes. He already cut taxes through the stimulus, and people still think he raised them.
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    So I say f–k it, let the tax cuts die. Pull the trigger, and then when the Clown Brigade rolls into town next month get ready to play hardball with them.
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    It’s only going to get worse for him from here.

  • apr2563

    Do you think the traditional media get’s it? Are they lazy, co-opted, or ignorant?

  • gysgt213

    May the media could try while discussing health care too.

  • lreed580

    This is what Dan Bartlett, former WH communications director said in an interview with Howard Kurtz re: the Bush tax cuts:

    “Once you get it into law, it becomes impossible to remove it. That’s not a bad legacy. The fact that we were able to lay the trap does feel pretty good, to tell you the truth.”

    So…..”Sock Puppet Theater”……or a chance for Democrats to cast a vote for what they believe to be the prudent and moral choice…..they outmaneuvered the Republicans in the House, infuriated the Republicans…….i.e. Boehner’s “chickencrap” statement and frankly, if I was a House Democrat/Senate Democrat it provided me an opportunity to demonstrate where I stood with re: to only extending tax cuts for the middle class.

    Beltway Insiders want to frame it as “sock puppet theater”….I’m not so sure those outside the beltway will view it as such.

  • lreed580

    correction: extending tax cuts for ALL up to $200/250,000.

  • cedarflute

    ” At the same time, to get anything done now that Republicans control the House (or will as of January), Obama’s going to have to learn to work with Republicans.”

    The best thing Obama can get done is to not get anything done, and put on full display the obstructionism of the GOP. The senate began the process yesterday….the President should stay the course. It may be the boldest and most constructive move he can make.

  • lilaland

    “But I blame Obama. He sold us out. He never wanted to let these tax rates expire. He never wanted to offer us a public option (or any real reform for HC). He never wanted to get out of Iraq and Afghanistan or to change course from the neocon playbook. He never wanted to reform campaign finance. He never wanted to impact the banks’ ability to fleece us. He never wanted to create jobs through new government programs. He never wanted to limit wasteful defense spending.”

    I’m not sure I agree. I think he wanted very moderate forms of “change”. I don’t think he ever wanted a liberal agenda. To his defense.. I never heard him say he would get us a public option. I heard him say that he would get a health care passed after 50 years of no other president being able to get any kind of health reform passed. He got one passed. It is not perfect.. but when looked through.. it is not that bad either. It is simply not finished. We can add on to it. It is a skeleton bill like Social Security and the Civil Rights bill. It was a HUGE victory. Even though democrats belittle it. I give him props for that. However, in truth, I give Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid more credit. Obama was utterly pragmatic as a leader and lost a lot of support because of it.
    Obama has turned out to be a drip.

  • lilaland

    However, if Obama caves on the tax cuts running out for the rich.. I’ll strongly dislike him on a personal level. I’ll be disgusted. That is not moderate change. Letting them run out for the “richest” but keeping them for the rest is moderate. Rolling over like it looks like he will.. well, that’s a poodle. I don’t respect men who are leaders that get walked like dogs. It is repulsive to me on an instinctive level. I judge him as a man who would fail my children, fail the tribe, lose the battle… and get me raped.

  • pintortwo

    http://thinkprogress.org/2009/12/22/obama-repeatedly-touted-public/
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    “I didn’t campaign on the public option,” President Obama told the Washington Post. But he touted the public option on his campaign website and spoke frequently in support of it during the first year of his presidency, citing its essential value in holding the private insurance industry accountable and providing competition:
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    – In the 2008 Obama-Biden health care plan on the campaign’s website, candidate Obama promised that “any American will have the opportunity to enroll in [a] new public plan.” [2008]
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    – During a speech at the American Medical Association, President Obama told thousands of doctors that one of the plans included in the new health insurance exchanges “needs to be a public option that will give people a broader range of choices and inject competition into the health care market.” [6/15/09]
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    – While speaking to the nation during his weekly address, the President said that “any plan” he signs “must include…a public option.” [7/17/09]
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    – During a conference call with progressive bloggers, the President said he continues “to believe that a robust public option would be the best way to go.” [7/20/09]
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    – Obama told NBC’s David Gregory that a public option “should be a part of this [health care bill],” while rebuking claims that the plan was “dead.” [9/20/09]

  • fhmadvocat

    gum,

    I think I understand what Jay means by “Working with Republicans.”

    The way it is now, Obama cames up with an idea, and puts the idea out. Sometimes Obama already knows what the Republicans want so he incorporates their ideas. Then he presents it to the Republicans as a finished product. Republicans are mad because they feel like they have not had imput, even though Obama has already incorporated many of their positions and does not feel the need to have any further discussions.

    Obama’s weakness is that he has already compromised from the outset and does not give himself any room to manuever. Now, from an efficiency standpoint, it makes a lot of sense to compromise from the start, but it is not good politics. Politicians love to hear themselves talk and if they can convince someone to accept their viewpoint, they feel important.

    Obama needs to let the Republicans talk before he agrees to a compromise instead of compromising before they have had a word. Legislators need to feel useful. It is kind of like having your five year old child helping with cooking dinner. Yea, it would quicker and easier without them, but you want to boost their self- esteem.

  • rdw56

    I’ll strongly dislike him on a personal level

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    I think he’s a rotten leader and an air head but he’s only a President, not a King. We have a Congress and this Congress is not going to pass tax increases. You put a guy in office with virtually no practical life experiences, certainly none in business or economics and you are shocked he can’t manage an economy. Big govt doesn’t work as an economic policy. FDR extended the depression. We just had another rotten jobs report and you are under the illusion it makes sense to adapt a jobs killing tax policy. The people just spoke a month ago and rejected him. He lost the house and for all practical purposes the Senate. We have rejected his attempt to copy Europe and now are going to reverse as much as possible. Fortunately the GOP has some tactical advantages in controlling spending. We will extend all of the tax cuts and then we will start to cut spending and there isn’t anything Obama can do. There will be a bill on his desk extending all of the tax cuts and if he doesn’t sign it the stock market will crash. He’s got no choice.

  • rdw56

    There was never a doubt what the house was going to do. The problem was always the Senate and the specific problem is those senators up for re-election in 2012. Nelson, Webb and Sherrod to name 3 can kiss their seats good-bye if they support tax increases on anyone less than $1M and even that is dicey. So far Mitch has kept his 42 on the same page and they’re refusing to consider more legislation until this is completed.

  • rdw56

    You can’t win as a progressive. This isn’t France and I’m not sure it even works there anymore. This is a fiscally conservative center-right nation. You are going to be dealing with the delicious irony of having elected someone with no real world experience and it showing with a rotten economic policy that clearly failed and confirmed big govt economics are a loser. This election was a total rejection of big govt. The supply-siders have won. This is what is going to happen. ALL of the Bush tax cuts will be extended and then they will attack the deficit by reducing spending. It’s all over for Obama.

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