Fox News Decoded

“Fox News Decoded”
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JK: Did you decode it wearing your tin-foil hat in a seance with Chris Tingles and Lawrence O’Donnell. Moe, Larry and Curley of political punditry

If you’ve been watching Fox News for the last decade, you thought that Saddam had WMD, that No Child Left Behind was an epic success, that the Bush Boom was a great time to buy stocks, that Obama is a socialist fascist Kenyan Muslim with a radical Christian pastor, that the temporary nationalization of the failing GM was a sign of incipient socialism, that bin Laden was scared that Bush would win the 2004 election, etc., etc.
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You’d think that people would get tired of believing things that turn out to be false, but who needs reason, when you have liberals and out groups to resent.

Just scratched the surface, Elvis, but good beginning.

Fox news is a social experiment where if you set a bunch of wildmen free to express whatever idiotic fantasy that comes to mind it will eventually somehow come true.

It’s like proving the theory of relativity but without the science and meaning something completely else. It’s spongebob squarepants for emo and goths. No fun, all razorblades (not occhams razor – just a very dull one like in reservoir dogs)

Fox News, home of Refudiation, Idiocracy, Bigotry, Lies, Racism, Propaganda, Sexism, Stupidity, Ignorance, Christianism, Fear, Elevated Terror Alert, Islamophobia, Iranophobia, Palestinophobia, Intellectualphobia, Reasonophobia, Shoutathon, Pukathon, Journalistic Nihilism, Ideological Hysteria, Insecuritical Paranoia…… and that’s just during the advertising reel.

You’re in the lead jacob. We’re on a roll now.

The Joseph Goebbels legacy marches on. In lock step. Or is it goose step? Whatever.

LOL..poor little liberal weenies complaining about the 1 non liberally biased media outlet. Now you know how it feels. You don’t hear republicans obsess about NBC, ABC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN, ESPN, NPR , NY Times, TIME, Washington Post. etc. etc. etc. every day. It’s just accepted as fact that the media is liberal.

http://www.mrc.org/static/biasbasics/MediaBias101.aspx

1) Reality has a liberal bias if you are so far right that the center is now left. (ie “Obama is a radical leftist”)
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2) So you admit that Fox News is biased, albeit conservatively, yes? So you will then admit that their slogan “Fair and Balanced” is an outright lie, yes? To paraphrase Jon Stewart: “You can’t hold [them] to be fair and balanced. That’s your slogan.”
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3) The complaint is not that Fox News is biased, but that they outright lie. Did you even read the article? It’s only a paragraph. Obama is a socialist? (substitute Kenyan, Muslim, etc here) NPR is run by Nazis? Really?
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4) ESPN…what? Are you trying to copy (or are) textee?

Not coconuts. Regular nuts – and the GOP and Tea Party have more of them than Planter’s Peanuts. I cannot believe the stupidity that reigns among those groups. For sure, they need to take courses in civics. After that they need to take courses in civility and ethics. Too bad we can’t test congressional candidates before they can run. The test would cover economics, foreign affairs, government, leadershp, ethics, morality, and English.

Isn’t it great to have all the fine upstanding liberals decide what we can eat, what to purchase and now what to watch.

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Hopefully someone send good old Jay a copy of the the Amendments (US) and for good measure maybe explain it to him

“”There’s a little bug inside of me which wants to get the FCC to say to FOX and to MSNBC: ‘Out. Off. End. Goodbye.’ It would be a big favor to political discourse; our ability to do our work here in Congress, and to the American people, to be able to talk with each other and have some faith in their government and more importantly, in their future.”
Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-WV)

http://www.rtdna.org/pages/posts/sen.-rockefeller-suggests-eliminating-fox-msnbc1143.php

All of the major media is liberal. Fox is holding the line. Providing fair and balanced perspective. But here is the game breaker: Fox is endorsed by Jesus. Look it up. Jesus. The rest will go to hell on Judgement Day, and that’s not long in coming. You heard it here first.

Joe Klein’s dog unhinged

What do you do to amp ratings after you’ve won a big victory at the polls and the public has wandered off to start celebrating the holidays? At Fox News, the answer is obvious: you up the ante.

Nope. It’s a distractor from how badly the lower and middle classes are getting screwed and a ramp up to the 2012 elections.

The focus is on the fight, not the reasons why there’s a fight in the first place.

Freedom of speech is essential. It allows Roder Ailes to be a scumbag and it allows me to point out that he’s a scumbag. The willingness of people to beleive lies isn’t the fault of the folks who sell it to them. But the ones who run and hide from the responsibilty of correcting them also share significant blame.
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On a related note I hear thjat JNS will be on TeeVee discussing Sarah Palin!

Um your reference is a conservative group which in their “about us ” section proudly states

“On October 1, 1987, a group of young determined conservatives set out to not only prove — through sound scientific research — that liberal bias in the media does exist and undermines traditional American values, but also to neutralize its impact on the American political scene.”

Their “what others think” is, not a link to a scholarly analysis of their work but to “Read what Rush Limbaugh, Bill Bennett, Bob Novak and other leading conservatives say about the Media Research Center.”

oh and here what you get if you become a member

“MRC Membership. By joining the MRC members gain many benefits, including discounts on all MRC products and novelty media bias items such as “Don’t Believe the Liberal Media” pens, bumper stickers and magnets, and tools to fight to correct the media’s liberal bias. Members receive a special monthly report, Flash, which keeps them up to date with all of the MRC’s activities, special reports and projects to combat liberal media bias. ”

So you have an organization that a priori claims a liberal media bias, and is devoted to combating this perceived bias as your “proof” that the media is slanted. Thats like saying you take PETA at its word on the omnivorous diet of humans. They present no data, just anecdotal quips. The ” comprehensive research” is just a compilation of all case they think show the media not giving enough deference to their pet causes. This is no more a valid reference site to show media bias than the huffington post is on information on the Tea Party.

Next time before you spout off about Bias in the media, please take the time and look through actual research (you know the kind published in peer reviewed journals and done by people who have doctorates in the field of political science or media studies) and, if you can then show a concerted effort on the part of the western media to inject “liberal” thinking into the populace (and not just the idea of educating them about the world, which I will admit is a liberal tenet) I will listen to you. If you can’t, please stop making yourself look like a fool by accusing places like ESPN of trying to turn us into Socialist.

“Isn’t it great to have all the fine upstanding liberals decide what we can eat, what to purchase and now what to watch.”
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And isn’t it great that most liberals don’t agree with the senator.

http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2010/11/16/critical-mass/

Re: ilikechips, textee, etc
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I think I finally figured out why they list ESPN on their lists. At first, I thought it must be because ESPN is owned by ABC, which is a part of Disney, which is <obviously indoctrinating our children. But, I said to myself, that’s far too simple; surely there must be a much more convoluted and complex reasoning behind this. Then it dawned on me.
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Watch ESPN for a length of time. Most importantly, watch Sportscenter and their various sport-specific highlight shows. What do you see? Black and hispanic people. By and large, for a national “news” network, ESPN employs a much larger percentage of minority reporters/anchors/”pundits” than any other network. As a result, they must all obviously support the facist socialist Kenyan in the whitehouse.
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Nothing else makes sense. It’s all so clear now. Hardcore conservatives don’t like black (and brown) people. Just like Kanye said!
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Case closed

You’d also believe that current Republicans are fiscally responsible and want to cut spending and decrease the size of government- and that current Dems are liberals.

rahon- if i look like a fool then you look like a semi retarded horsed to jackass. Typical liberals with the name calling, Your long essay didn’t actually refute what you see and hear day in and day out on liberal networks such as NBC, CBS ABC. How many media members have quit to join their messiah Obama’s political team? wonder how TIME’S Jay Carney is fairing over there.

Like the moth to the light. Joe just can’t help himself. it is very cool being a conservative and catching Joe’s regular rants against Fox and Rush. 15 years ago he thought that right now he’d be a senior member of a revered group of wise and widely respected elite media treasured by the great unwashed for their insights and guidance. Instead Dan Rather has come to represent what the MSM are and as a polling issue that’s in the toilet.

Go ahead and vent twits. You got nothing else to do!

calling the teapartiers and the majority of Americans “nuts” has really advanced the liberal/progressive cause. Please keep up the good work.

A quick question for those defending Fox News:

Earlier this year President Obama gave an address at West Point and when Fox News ran clips of his speech, they edited out the applause the President received from the cadets.

Can any of you provide an example of MSNBC doing anything remotely like that?

I know you will likely completely ignore what I say here, or at least only pick out one sentence to reply to but here goes:
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People don’t complain that Fox News is conservative, at least most people don’t. Most people also realize that some networks, notably MSNBC, lean more liberal. What people do complain about, however, is that Fox News outright lies. Not muddles facts, not glosses over minor details, outright lies.
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Death panels, Obama is a Kenyan, Obama is a Muslim, etc, you only hear on Fox News, and absolutely none of it is true. Obama is a socialist, NPR is run by Nazis, not true.
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The fact that you bring up Dan Rather is kind of funny, as it illustrates why Fox News is not journalism, but sensationalism. When it came to light that something he had reported was false, he resigned. How often does an anchor on Fox News report some egregious lie and then essentially be celebrated for it? It was the chairman of the network stating these lies too, and nothing will become of it, except perhaps a half-a$$ed apology. If it was a liberal making these remarks, you’d be on here screaming for blood.

Last year there was a rally on the Mall. It was in the fall, the leaves were changing, and it was a bit overcast. Guess what Fox News did when the turnout wasn’t as high as expected?
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They spliced in footage from a larger, more well-attended rally three months early, with clear skies and fully green trees.

How many media members have quit to join their messiah Obama’s political team?

As opposed to elected officials who left their office halfway through their term to become pundits on cable news?

“And isn’t it great that most liberals don’t agree with the senator”
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Ah no Hippo (BTW,is that a species or a body type?). The left here, you included just rant about Fox, an dI am having trouble finding a word about MSNBC. Come to think of it I don’t see anyone disagreeing with the Senator.

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Just another delusion you are having

Just watch a week of Beck. I personally can’t watch an hour without wanting to jump off my roof. There is enough looniness to keep a TPer happy for a lifetime.
Here is some explanation of the Beck syndrome:
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dana-milbank/post_996_b_749750.html?ir=Media

Did anyone else, after reading Jacob’s post, feel the need to sing “It’s the end of the world as we know it”

freeper: I witness you cowardly essence here since you wont honorably remove yourself.
I know you probably hate Keith Olbermann, but he put Rockefeller on his worst list last night.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dana-milbank/post_996_b_749750.html?ir=Media
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He along with other liberals find Rockefeller’s remarks abhorrent. Rockefeller is not a liberal and does not represent liberal beliefs.

We rant about Fox but that’s not the same as saying we want to censor Fox. We think Fox is repugnant and disgusting and anti-American…..which is about the same sentiment you have expressed many, many times about us. Therefore, fair game! Free speech gives us the right to rant about Fox just as much as it gives you the right to rant about Liberalism. Free speech doesn’t give us the right to censor you or Fox any more than it gives you or Fox the right to censor us

“He along with other liberals find Rockefeller’s remarks abhorrent. Rockefeller is not a liberal and does not represent liberal beliefs.”
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By claiming the Rockefeller is not a liberal can only be explained in one of 2 ways: how extreme your views are or you just lie to yourself. I think it’s both.

ilikechips: Do you know who Roger Ailes worked for? Try Richard Nixon. Tony Snow went from the Fox Propaganda Network to the Bush administration. Then there is Hannity campaigning and raising money for Republicans. Van Suestren’s husband works for Palin. Beck…well he is just nuts.
In any case, the Fox Propaganda Network, through the TPers and other cult members, now run the Republican Party to the pleasure of Rupert Murcoch.

Whoops, Fruedian slip. That is Rupert Murdoch.

If his views are in line with the majority of Liberals….then that wouldn’t make him that extreme. Since Liberalism is a “moderate left” concept on the political spectrum (with Socialism as “far left” and Communism as “extreme left” – oh, and Naziism as “extreme right” (LOOK IT UP, though one teacher I had once noted to me that the spectrum is almost circular in a strange way), and traditional, small-government Conservatism “moderate right” (as opposed to the more far-right small government, traditional social values, chicken hawk tea-partiers who don’t really have an ideological position to describe that group – and technically you are a part of), no…..I don’t think apr is that extreme. It’s just when you go from -40 to 0 to 10 (0 being left), it looks like a long way.

I have to admit that I would like to introduce the Fox Fans to rational thought, like PBS News Hour. How to do that, I don’t know. Like dealing with a fussy child. But I would never force it. That’s a right wing thing, forcing your personal preferences.

Challenge them to be “man enough” to listen to the views of the opposing side for an hour and offer, in exchange, that you’ll watch a show of their preference. Then research what you just watched, and go debate both shows with them and enjoy as you completely outmaneuver your friend’s positions.

Those “Democratic authors” of the one-term-prez article to which Meathead Shannity referred, um, uh….
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wait for it….
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WORK FOR FLOX.

Maybe, Rust, YOU did your “decoding” work with the Neocon Marx Brothers – Grouchy (O’Really), Cheapo (Ailes), Hippo (Rush) and Zippo (Shannity).

“…Just watch a week of Beck. I personally can’t watch an hour without wanting to jump off my roof. There is enough looniness to keep a TPer happy for a lifetime.”
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How could I forget Sobbo?

Free, rdw, Rusty, chips et al
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This is what I referenced in an earlier post (4.1). This is one of the main reasons I (and most) people despise Fox.
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http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-april-20-2010/bernie-goldberg-fires-back?xrs=share_copy

Hey, it’s freeinpa — the loser and liar who won’t leave!

Isn’t it great to have all the fine upstanding liberals decide what we can eat, what to purchase and now what to watch.
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Right, because the FCC under George W. Bush’s administration never bothered to tell Americans what they could watch. They never had a massive freakout over Janet Jackson’s nipple or went on crusades over potty mouth.
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You’re right that Bush let us eat anything we wanted — and let corporations sell us anything they wanted, no matter how unsafe it was. “E.coli conservatism” brought us eggs that killed us, spinach that killed us, hamburger that killed us, and on and on. Gosh, what glorious freedom.
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I’d tell you to eat your words, but we all know you have no integrity and no spine.

Remember the coverage of disgraced Republican Representative Mark Foley? On Fox News, he was shown as “Mark Foley (D-Fla.)
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If you watch Fox, you’re being lied to. Repeatedly. There’s ample proof of that.
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If you’re fine being lied to, congratulations. But don’t expect the rest of us to believe the lies or, moreover, feel anything but contempt for your fantasy world.

Remember the coverage of disgraced Republican Representative Mark Foley? On Fox News, he was shown as “Mark Foley (D-Fla.)”
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If you watch Fox, you’re being lied to. Repeatedly. There’s ample proof of that.
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If you’re fine being lied to, congratulations. But don’t expect the rest of us to believe the lies or, moreover, feel anything but contempt for your fantasy world.

Dan Rather was fired.

You think Keith Olberman leans liberal. Leans?

“Isn’t it great to have all the fine upstanding liberals decide what we can eat, what to purchase and now what to watch.”

Unlike the far right who want to monitor my uterus, take away my birth control, tell me who I can marry, wants my kids to pray to their God in public school and would like science taken out of school curriculum. Actually that is a little scarier to me than someone telling me what to eat.

I don’t think most people despise Fox and I don’t care. They are by far the highest rated network. I watch what I want to watch. If you don’t like it that’s your problem.

It’s clear your bitterness is due to the fact you no longer control the narrative. I think most liberals are still pissed the SBVs got to tell their story. The MSM actually told Kerry not to respond because they were not going to cover the SBVs ergo no one would know about them. Didn’t work out well. There’s little question Kerry’s malfeasance regarding his service cost him the election and it was Fox who did as much as anyone to see the SBVs had a voice.

This is why you lose arguments. You make whacky statements that have nothing to do with reality.

Oh please you can’t tell me that the far right aren’t always trying to get Roe overturned, or voting against gay marriage or trying to get prayer reinstated in schools. They hate the decision of the Supremes in Griswold . And I don’t know of one crazy right that believes in evolution. They want creationism taught in science.

“Ah no Hippo (BTW,is that a species or a body type?). The left here, you included just rant about Fox, an dI am having trouble finding a word about MSNBC. Come to think of it I don’t see anyone disagreeing with the Senator.”
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Aren’t you the cutest little bully ever. Not only do you like to insinuate that I’m female or not man enough, but now like with Patrick that used to post here I’m a fatty. So when are you going to call be four eyes? Isn’t that the last bully-pathetic poor man’s insult on your list?
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First off I thought this blog post was about Fox? You of course had to include the senators what he said Fox and then making a lame all inclusive regular generalization about how all liberals think so. But we don’t and I don’t think we should try to yank anyone off the air. And if you don’t see anyone disagreeing with the senator it’s because A) your blind and unable to notice that we don’t just walk in lock step like you on the fringe and B) most here ignore you since you’re a spiteful troll. Or C) Both.
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But we don’t ignore you for not having any integrity, that’s just understood.

Ginger, you don’t know one person from the right, do you? Your completely stereotypical person on the right only exists in your little paranoid liberal knee jerk fantasy world.

What a bunch of coconuts.
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Easy there, Joe, you might upset some old ladies with this sort of rough language.

Hate to point this out to you Joe, but Obama is obsessed with critics, Fox News in particular. Remember the war on Fox News last year? He certainly has lost a lot of zip and zing. His summer of recovery was a joke. He cannot comprehend why the stimulus didn’t work and still insists that it did. You telling me he likes Biden? and the Clintons, sure.
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By the way, the Clintons don’t like Obama, either. Hillary will challenge in 2012.

“Your completely stereotypical person on the right only exists in your little paranoid liberal knee jerk fantasy world.”
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Astounding. You really do live from moment to moment, don’t you?

The thing about Roe you don’t understand is the effort to overturn it has nothing to do with banning abortion. The problem with Roe is 9 guys in robes decided to change the constitution. As Scalia will explain there isn’t a right to abortion in the constitution. He will also tell you there isn’t a right to ban abortion either. It’s a decision for the states. Meaning if Congress passed a law banning abortion Scalia would rule it unconstitutional.

As a political issue it’s clearly been a net negative for liberals who will bartardize the courts in a heartbeat to get their way. This is why Bush faced a palace revolt on Myers. Conservatives wanted an authentic originalist of the highest credentials expecting they’d be a shoe-in. Roberts and Alito were easy nominations. You just saw major reversals for the left on campaign finance and gun control and will see all affirmative action programs rejected. You will continue to see judicial activism limited.

Had the Roe decision been decided properly there is no doubt in my mind 1st tri-mester abortions would be legal in all 50 states and judicial activism a non-issue. Americans do not want the living constitution espoused by left wing lugnuts. It lives via the amendment process.

Yes, Dan Rather was fired if you consider working at the network for another year after retiring as anchor. That’s definitely being fired. But don’t let facts get in the way there. The point being that nothing of the sort would happen to anyone on Fox News and they routinely lie, distort, and make up facts.
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Also, did I mention Olberman? No. I said MSNBC. You seem to be forgetting that Scarborough, a conservative, is also an anchor. Please show me any useful equivalent on Fox News.

I like how you’ve responded twice to someone who stated their problems with Fox(npo, at 10.1) and then you voice this ‘theory’.
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But no, you’re probably right. We care so much about Kerry. He’s all we ever talk about!

It’s ok Ash, that’s their strategy: change the subject and stop responding whenever a discussion turns against you. That way, you will always have the upper hand.
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For instance, not once have I stated I dislike Fox News for being conservative. In fact, I believe that having a conservative-leaning news outlet is good, as long as it is balanced by a liberal-leaning one. It also requires that the so-called “balanced” or “neutral” news outlets call both of them out on their bs. This doesn’t happen. My biggest problem with Fox News is the lies, distortion, and propaganda that is head and shoulders above every other network.
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And to a lesser extent, Glenn Beck. After all, he has yet to deny that he raped and murdered a girl in 1992.

Forgot to add that I’m not saying he did it. I’m just saying he never denied it. You never know. Someone has to answer these questions. Maybe Obama is a fascist Muslim commie, maybe Glenn Beck is a murderer, you never know. Someone has to ask the hard questions.

Ah. My 14.6 should have gone here.

I like rightwing logic. Rantings equal something, majority equals true etc. Did I say rantings, I mean ratings. Except for when a majority happens to think the opposite, like in 2008 when they were duped.
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It’s simple. There’s true. And then there’s false. Despite if a majority happens to think slavery is good, the earth is flat etc. The constitution wasn’t written as a majority concent to make sure the majority always had their way; it was written to safeguard the rights of the minority despite whatever the majority thinks.
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I’m happy that you like Fox. It’s telling since most of the stuff is off the wall wrong, but it’s good that you like something. No one ever said being wrong is also against the law as long as you’re not trying to infringe on my constitutional rights. Whatever floats your boat man. You can think for example that nazis and socialists are the same. Not because they are but because you can cornhole whatever facts to fit your view point. And that’s cool. Just as Fox can lie, distort and make sh!t up so you can uncritically lap it all up. No one said that being a useful idiot and walking in lock step like a drooling zombie is against anything in the constitution. It only says something about you.
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Go ahead and defend the outright lies that Fox tells you. Don’t ever let facts slam you in the face over and over. You have the constitutional right to ignore them and pretend they’re opposite. And I support it. I fully support your right to be uninformed, ignorant and ultimately out of touch with reality. ‘Cause in the end, even if it takes 200 years or so I will be proven right. See that’s was truth does – there’s always someone that will eventually dig it out, drag the cr@p out in the sunlight and see it dry up.
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Stay on target.

Dan Rather was F I R E D!!!! He sued the network for it.

The Fox magic is the MSM. Joe Klein and Time will tell you they’re middle of the road and objective. Their blog looks like it’s managed by the DNC. I don’t watch Fox after 7. I love the round table. CK is the best and MARA and Juan are without question and without apology liberal. I know for a fact Krauthammer likes and respects both and it’s returned. I know Mara and Juan have stated repeatedly they’ve never been pressured in any way to ‘adjust’ their views. Both Juan and Mara claim they’ve never discussed politics with Ailies or Murdoch.

This is your problem. Americans don’t trust liars. Joe Klein claims to be a centrist and to be objective. He is either a liar or delusional. CK- Charles Krauthammer doesn’t make any such claims. He is honest about his conservatism. CK gets pretending otherwise is stupid. Joe has a ways to go.

. Maybe Obama is a fascist Muslim commie, maybe Glenn Beck is a murderer,

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You miss the forest for the trees. Whatever the claims are, there has to be an element of plausibility. Glenn is by all measures a serious christian. He’s very pound of it. Obama is the exact opposite. He seems embarrassed to admit to his faith and then when you consider what a racist prick his pastor was, it’s impossible to see him as a Christian.

There is a great saying: if you believe in nothing you’ll believe in anything. Obama believes in nothing.

You can think for example that nazis and socialists are the same. Not because they are but because you can cornhole whatever facts to fit your view point

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No one said they were the same. They do share something core. Both are totalitarian. Both are left. Reagan is by definitions mall govt. We are the heirs of small govt, hume.

. My 14.6 should have gone here.

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Look Kerry is a horses ass but he was your nominee. We do not obsess over lurch but he’s a great target. Less because of anything about him and more about media. You defended a loser.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/21/business/media/21rather.html

Dan Rather and CBS News announced yesterday that they had agreed to end his career at the network, 44 years after he first went to work there as its bureau chief in Dallas and five months before his contract as a correspondent on “60 Minutes” was scheduled to expire.

Yes, he was totally fired. The point remains; there was sketchy journalism and both the anchor and the network took steps to rectify that. Please point to me any time Fox has retreated from publishing known falsehoods.
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Also awesome that you can list off the token liberals of Fox News. Do any of them have their own show?

Why does it matter what religion Obama does or does not belong to? In this country religious affiliation should have no bearing on politics. Obama has also taken steps to distance himself from his former pastor, never mind that you apparently have an inside track to what Obama believes. Personally, as a religious person, I’m happy that Obama keeps his religion out of his politics and I wish more politicians would do the same.
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FYI, Glenn Beck is a mormon, which some people do not consider to be Christian, alongside Catholics and the like. Regardless of whether you think mormons qualify as Christians, there are vast doctrinal differences between them and the mainstream Protestants.

For crying out loud, fascism is not left-wing.
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From wikipedia:

Fascism (pronounced /ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a radical and authoritarian nationalist political ideology. Fascists seek to organize a nation according to corporatist perspectives, values, and systems, including the political system and the economy. Fascism was originally founded by Italian national syndicalists in World War I who combined extreme right-wing political views along with collectivism. Scholars generally consider fascism to be on the far right.

Socialism is also not necesarily totalitarian. Totalitarian socialism is communism. Fascism came about as the opposite of communism. Educate yourself for f@ck’s sake.

Whatever the claims are, there has to be an element of plausibility.

So do you admit that there is an element of plausibility that Glenn Beck raped and murdered a girl in 1990? (got my year wrong originally)

Tell you what, rdw. Learn the difference between what ‘liberal” and “conservative” mean, and then some back. It might hurt your head, but you;ll be the smarter for it.

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I remember that thread. You did, indeed, say they were the same.
And in the face of repeated posts informing you of the truth, you continued to say that, since they are totalitarian, they are the same.

Communism is far left; fascism is far right; you are obtuse.

Communism and Fascism are very similar when is comes to how they are applied to business, freedom, rights, and the individual. That’s why it was Mussolini, a communist, that gave birth to modern fascism. When you compare the two, besides the few nuances of how they accomplish totalitarianism, the end results are the same.

Communism:
A system of government in which the state plans and controls the economy and a single, often authoritarian party holds power, claiming to make progress toward a higher social order in which all goods are equally shared by the people.
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Fascism:
A political regime, having totalitarian aspirations, ideologically based on centralized government, government control of business, repression of criticism or opposition, a leader cult and exalting the state and/or religion above individual rights. …
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Note that both have a authoritarian or oppressive big central government. From history we know the both repress freedom, religion, speech, liberty, insist on sacrifice of the individual for the good of the state, and use propaganda. The particular use of class warfare, (that’s just for you Herby) to the point of genocide of the Jews, is a staple of both.
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I cannot think of any political leader that considers themselves a Facist, while their are numerous Communists, many of the czars in this administration are Communists, by their own admission.
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They hold extremist views including the wish to disband the US military, confiscate all private weapons, the US is to blame for everything from Global warming to terrorism. They are extremists that hate the Constitution and want to “fundamentally change” America.

From wikipedia once again:

They advocate the creation of a single-party state. Fascists reject and resist the autonomy of cultural or ethnic groups who are not considered part of the fascists’ nation and who refuse to assimilate or are unable to be assimilated. They consider attempts to create such autonomy as an affront and a threat to the nation. Fascist governments forbid and suppress opposition to the fascist state and the fascist movement. They identify violence and war as actions that create national regeneration, spirit and vitality.

What does that look like to you? Yeah, you could apply it to the Jews in WWII. Or you could apply it to hispanics (and to a lesser extent Muslims) in today’s world. What party does that sound like to you?

Italian Fascism and most other fascist movements promote a corporatist economy

Oh look, at that, what party is this again?

Fascism promoted principles of masculine heroism, militarism, and discipline and rejected cultural pluralism and multiculturalism.

What was the political ideology of that guy who claimed the Medal of Honor was being feminized?
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When you compare the two, besides the few nuances of how they accomplish totalitarianism, the end results are the same.

No one is denying that (especially in their extreme forms) socialism and fascism both lead to totalitarianism. However, the crux of the argument is that despite this, socialism is on the left of the political spectrum, fascism is on the right. No matter how much you deny this, you cannot change this fact. You can stick your fingers in your ears and go “la la la la la can’t hear you can’t hear you!” all you want, but that doesn’t change the fact that you are straight-up wrong when you claim that fascism is an extreme left ideology. It’s just patently false to claim that.
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They hold extremist views including the wish to disband the US military, confiscate all private weapons, the US is to blame for everything from Global warming to terrorism. They are extremists that hate the Constitution and want to “fundamentally change” America.

[citation needed]
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All this information is readily available on the internet. However, if you only go to sites that cater to your specific worldview, to your ideology, then you won’t get the whole, if any, of the truth. I’ll say it again, educate yourself for f@ck’s sake!

To be Paul’s age and see all your deepest held beliefs and desires begin to be implemented only to be abject failures finding rejection at every corner. I mean this has got to hurt. All he gets now is some echo from basement dwelling live at home trekkie wonks and HoPo blog wanna-be’s. So on he goes talking about (you fill in the blank) and “they are deranged” and” they are calling the President names” and on and on. Best of all he does it from a deranged perspective as angry name calling.
Take a break Paul. Some holiday time if you like. You do have more to offer but you gruel is so thin!

By your comment Elvis and by those supporting you, which includes someone providing a link to huffington post (great source of fair and balanced!!), you probably believe that big government grows the economy, that unemployment was kept under 8% by the stimulus package, that Health Care bill will improve health care, will lower premiums, will add thousants of people at no cost, and you probably blame Bush for the over 3T (reported on ABC by the way) deficits spending of the last 2 years (though Congress has been run by progressive/liberals/leftwing/socialists for the last 4 years and the WH the last 2 years). And you probably believe it is a great thing that in the times we live, government employees have reached paychecks that double of the paycheck of private sector employees. And do you watch? NBC, ABC, CBS, MSNBC and CNN? Yest, those are great sources of “fair and balanced!!!” And by the way, how about Time and Newsweek, are they “fair and balanced?”

you’ve confirmed my point liberalism is by definition totalitarinism. They’re all lefty religions. They’re all losers

Did you even read anything I wrote? Or is your head so far up your @ss that you’re seeing things?
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And for the record, I’m not a liberal, I just can’t stand people who apparently celebrate being clueless and ignorant.

you’ve confirmed my point liberalism is by definition totalitarinism
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No, that’s something yourself and the other paranoid ignoramuses made up because hey, who needs facts when you’ve got conservatism?

You are giving textbook definitions that never translate to reality. Socialism in practice is always totalitarian. Fascism in practice is totalitarian. That puts them definitively on the left. It’s about total government control either directly via state ownership or indirectly via state management. Conservatism is defined by minimum govt.

You are giving textbook definitions that never translate to reality. Socialism in practice is always totalitarian. Fascism in practice is totalitarian.That puts them definitively on the left.

Really? I’ll ask again, did you even read what I wrote? All three quotes applied directly to something that is being espoused today by people on the right. I’ll rephrase what you said: “Textbook definitions never translate to your (rdw) reality.” Or, to quote Stephen Colbert,

In order to maintain an untenable position, you have to be actively ignorant, … One motto on the show is, ‘Keep your facts, I’m going with the truth.’

So, keep ingoring facts as they are presented to you. By all means, truthiness is much more important. That does not change the fact that you are flat out wrong.

Who is Paul, and how do you know what you say you know about him?

Or are you just spouting insults because you can?