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Obama Bombs in Asia–or Maybe Not

The President’s Asia trip doesn’t seem to be going well. The Times says he’s lost his overseas mojo–and it’s true that much of the rest of the world seems to be turning against the Keynesian path of deficit-spending as a ladder out of a recession, even Keynes’ homeland which saw French-style rioting yesterday as the result of increased college tuitions proposed by David Cameron’s Tory government.

I’m in a very on-the-other-hand mood about this. Certainly, Keynes has been used as a fig leaf for fiscal slovenliness for the past 50 years (and in the U.S., ever since Lyndon Johnson decided not to pay for the war in Vietnam). That’s why long-term deficit reduction is so important. But we’re in a short-term crisis, with an immediate risk of deflation. The idea that less government spending will solve this crisis seems fanciful (and there should be a good debate about whether a temporary reduction in certain taxes would be more efficacious than, say, a major infrastructure plan). In the best of all possible scenarios, Obama has said, he’d like to see a two track approach: stimulus now, long-term deficit reduction fixed now as well. Thus, his deficit reduction commission–which produced a flawed, middle-class bashing initial report this week (I’ll have more to say about that in days to come). Obama’s approach makes sense, but given the fecklessness of the Congress, it also has been traditionally impossible. I’d guess that the same old baloney will obtain in the new Congress, but the new global mood–and the U.S. election results–will provide a gentle nudge toward the path that Obama wants.

On a second front, Obama’s inability to get a trade deal with South Korea is frustrating, but the right thing to do. The Koreans are balking on lifting various non-tariff measures that make it harder to sell American cars and beef over there. Obama wants those measures lifted and he’s absolutely right: a level playing field should be a level playing field. In the past, we’ve allowed the allure of lower prices to divert us from a more important goal: truly opening the world to American exports. If we don’t have the latter–and the jobs that come with it–the latter is a hollow achievement and perhaps a retreat. It’s good that the President is hanging tough on this one.

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  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    Jane Hamsher on the “free trade” agreement:
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    http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2010/11/10/korea-free-trade-here-we-come/
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    Scare quotes because these deals are invariably referred to as such, or, as Joe does here, as “leveling the playing field. In fact, they are exchanges of concessions for particular industries. The Doha WTO round failed because the OECD refused to level the playing field on “intellectual property” and agricultural exports.
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    (Scare quotes on IP because it is, IMO, the single most brilliant bit of marketing I can think of. The Founders’ idea of copyright and patent had nothing to do with creating a new class of “property.”)

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    Adding….
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    It is also telling that Joe’s “level playing field” is equivalent to ” truly opening the world to American exports.”

  • jimpinter

    Can’t go over there anymore and just vote “present”, can you?

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    Having declared fiscal policy to be synonymous with communism and placed all our bets on the Fed, the rest of the world has decided they don’t want to be paid back with 50 cent dollars.

    “(and there should be a good debate about whether a temporary reduction in certain taxes would be more efficacious than, say, a major infrastructure plan)”

    If the nation is prepared to have 20 or 30 million unemployed, for the next decade, rule out infrastructure spending. Middle class tax cuts at least flow back into consumption. The tax cuts for the rich do next to nothing for the economy. They also make a mockery of the “fiscal conservatives” who are demanding them.

    Tax cuts tied directly to job creation are another matter.

  • Alex Vallas

    South Korea has become a very, very prosperous country. I would tell them – our military is out — you are on your own. With our financial crisis,we should look carefully at where we have troops, i.e, South Korea, Japan (Okinawa) Germany and several other smaller countries. Time to get out of Afghanistan – which is not even a country but an area ruled by war lords, drug lords, crooks and a two faced government. Further, we should cut aid to Israel since they are constantly violating our agreements. Think about it. Ben Net had the audicity to tell our government to take a harder stand against Iran. B.S. We don’t need another war to protect Israel. Let me also fend for themselves and noit hide behind AIPAC. /////////////////.

  • Alex Vallas

    Correction: let them fend for themselves and not hide behind AIPAC.

  • liberalmeltdown

    The bloom is off the rose; the gold dust has fallen off the fairy; the emperor has no clothes, and on and on. Mr Hopey Changey ain’t got much.
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    Keynesian economics is a failure. You cannot continue to borrow and spend your way to prosperity. There are economies all over Europe that are proving that very principle.

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    No one has tried Keynesian economics yet. Keynes would not have supported the type of tax cuts that were included in the stimulus and are being discussed now and would have argued for far more infrastructure spending.
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    Calling Obama a Keynesian is just as much an exaggeration as calling him a socialist.

  • liberalmeltdown

    Obama spends trillions and he’s not a Keynesian, because he included a piddly little tax cut? Come on. I suppose you think he’s a classic economist. He’s the guy who ran on “shovel ready” jobs, sold the stimulus on shovel ready jobs. So, if you want to call him a liar, that’s fine. But, he was selling Keynesian snake oil.

  • earljr1

    Our progressive friends will never accept this premise, liberalmeltdown, they never met an entitlement program they did not like. The collapse of the housing market sent many of them scurrying home to their parents, but their belief in the tooth fairy never faltered, “Blame it on Bush” they cry and just you wait…the “chosen” one will lead us yet to the promised land. With his trusty teleprompter and reams of empty rhetoric, he will prove Nov. 2nd was just a bump in the road…after all, the American public is ignorant and woefully misinformed, Keith Olbermann told us so.

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    Sure. He’s a liar. The HAMP program was a lie, pretend and extend. He’s not a liberal, not a progressive, not socialist. He’s a centrist, who believes in protecting banksters, not consumers.
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    Read Krugman if you want to explore what a Keynesian approach would have looked like. There were no Hoover dams, no CCC, no surge in public sector jobs.

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    He is a spineless liar. How’s that? He was happy to see Wall Street get 100 cents on the dollar and forgot about the rest of the world. Surrounding himself with nothing but centrists was his greatest mistake, a mistake he can no longer dig himself out of because of the political change his weakness has brought him.

  • koabd

    He’s a centrist, who believes in protecting banksters, not consumers.
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    I guess that’s one more unproductive way of describing POTUS…

  • ohiolibb

    LM, do you even know what keynesian economics is? Or do you just believe whatever beck et al tell you?

  • newfreedomblog

    “Read Krugman if you want to explore what a Keynesian approach would have looked like. There were no Hoover dams, no CCC, no surge in public sector jobs.”

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    Well not exactly. You might want to read this…
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    http://www.ocregister.com/articles/workers-235701-federal-percent.html
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    “The Obama boom is essentially a government employee boom.
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    Consider the federal government, now completely controlled by the Obama administration. This year, we will have officially the largest federal workforce in the country’s history. It will reach 2.15 million – and that doesn’t count nearly 650,000 postal workers, who, technically, work for a separate “corporation.”

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    Of the 800 billion spent so far on the “Stimulus Bill”, roughly 1/2 or 400 billion has been spent on “Hoover Dam-like projects”. The difference is we do not have a dam to show for it. Transportation alone makes up $20 billion of the spending in new or refurbished roads. You cannot drive anywhere in this country right now without seeing one of the $25,000 dollar signs that read, “Project Funded by the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act”. CCC anyone?
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    The only argument you can possibly make is if 800 billion was or was not enough stimulus by Keynesian standards. Krugman simply states in all of his articles there wasn’t enough spending done. That’s it.
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    This is a good chart of all the breakdown in spending by department.
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    http://projects.propublica.org/tables/stimulus-spending-progress
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    Suffice it to say, we have spent nearly 400 billion, and we are still deep in the ditch. Unemployment remains at nearly 10%. No forecasts call for any change anytime soon. We have just merely stopped the flow of blood. We no longer move forward out of the ditch, but we are still spinning our wheels digging deeper each and everyday.

  • diecash1

    You can’t tax cut your way to solvency or job growth either not matter how much Repubs repeat it.

  • http://shortplaysaboutrealpeople.wordpress.com Michael Maiello

    Aren’t people protesting against a state mandated rise in tuition fees an example of support for Keynesianism rather than an example of people turning away from Keynes?

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    The administration says 79 percent of the increases in recent years are from departments related to the war on terrorism: Justice, Defense, Homeland Security, State and Veterans Affairs.
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    After years of decline at the end of the Cold War, the Defense Department is restaffing. Mr. Obama estimated that the Pentagon will have 720,000 employees this year and 757,000 employees next year – up from a low of 649,000 in 2003.
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    The data also show that the Department of Homeland Security will grow by 7,000 a year in 2010 and 2011, and the Veterans Affairs Department will grow by 12,000 in 2010 and an additional 4,000 in 2011.
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    Peter R. Orszag, Mr. Obama’s budget director, also said more people have been hired to oversee outside contracts.
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    “Over the past eight or nine years, those contracts have doubled in size. The acquisition work force has stayed constant. It’s not too hard to figure out that oversight of those contracts has not kept pace with what it should be,” Mr. Orszag said.
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    Even as the total number of federal employees rises, the ratio of employees to Americans has declined steadily, from one employee for every 78 residents in 1953 to one employee for every 110 residents in 1988 to one employee for every 155 residents in 2008.

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    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/feb/02/burgeoning-federal-payroll-signals-return-of-big-g/?page=2
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    1) Employment went down under Bush because employees were replaced with (more expensive) contractors, contractors with an incentive to rip off taxpayers who have not been closely supervised.
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    2) As this article points out, most of the growth is in response to the fearmongering nonsense related to Terrah! Terrah! Terrah!, paying for feds to grope people who have to use insulin pumps.
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    3) Note that the ratio of fed employees to citizens continues to decline.

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    How else do you interpret the extend and pretend HAMP policies? Why have there been no fraud charges filed against the money center banks (which now includes Goldman)? How can you justify usurious credit card interest rates, and bankruptcy laws that essentially create a state of permanent debt that can never be paid back?
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    http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2010/11/04/neo-feudalism-and-the-housing-crisis/

  • liberalmeltdown

    Ohio, I don’t believe that you have a clue what Keynesian economics is; otherwise, you would have defined it.
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    Investopedia explains Keynesian Economics
    A supporter of Keynesian economics believes it is the government’s job to smooth out the bumps in business cycles. Intervention would come in the form of government spending and tax breaks in order to stimulate the economy, and government spending cuts and tax hikes in good times, in order to curb inflation.
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    What definition do you have?

  • stuartzechman

    The Founders’ idea of copyright and patent had nothing to do with creating a new class of “property.”
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    This is a factually true statement.
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    Here’s Thomas Jefferson on “intellectual property” in a letter he wrote to Isaac McPherson in 1813 about the nature of ideas:

    If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it.
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    Its peculiar character, too, is that no one possesses the less, because every other possesses the whole of it. He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.

    There is no foundation in the principles of the Founders for this perverted, rent-seeker’s ideology misnamed “property,” and it lessens the intellectual value of real, actual property for society to accept its pretenses.
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    Since movement liberals appreciate individuals and property rights, we tend to take a dim view of “intellectual property” dogma, much as Jefferson did.

  • ohiolibb

    Actually I would call that a good, if short, practical definition.

  • stuartzechman

    That seemed like an obvious mistake of Joe’s to me, too.

  • newfreedomblog

    “The administration says…., but the facts remain.
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    The number of Government employees has grown to the largest number of all time under Obama. Period. The government is entirely too big and bloated. We have more people now either working for the government or on some type of entitlement program.
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    It is estimated less than 45% of the workforce is in the private sector. How can you continue to pay all of this money out, when the money coming in is so limited.
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    You have the choice of either going to a Government system of economics, like socialism. Or, you begin to cut back on Government and allow capitalism to once again flourish.
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    History has proven time and time again that socialism sooner or later runs out of “other people’s money”.

  • shepherdwong

    Whether or not average citizens of France, Britain or the US understand Keynesian economics, it is not they who are calling for austerity. That is the plutocrats’ desire because they see it as benefiting them and, being the sociopaths they are, they are inured to the suffering it will inflict on everyone else. The interesting thing to watch will be how far their servants in politics and political press will go to help destroy the world outside the oligarchs’ personal havens. Many of them won’t the have psychic shield of a complete lack of empathy for others.

  • liberalmeltdown

    9.1, exactly right. The money went to hire federal workers, prop up California’s pensions and keep State employees employed. A total waste of money.
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    But, you have to wonder where did all those shovels go?
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    Maybe they are being used to continue to shovel the BS from the left.

  • liberalmeltdown

    die, when people have more of THEIR OWN MONEY they buy, they invest, they start new businesses, they hire. WTF are you talking about?

  • liberalmeltdown

    IF, and it’s a big IF Obama had the huevos he would build nuclear power plants. THAT would jumpstart the economy, because a future with cheap energy would wake up all kinds of industry right here in Rivercity, but instead we got trouble.

  • herby002

    Alex,

    I agree with you in principle, but Korea is another matter. With a militaristic, half-deranged regime in North Korea threatening to surge across the border, we need to stay in the South.
    That is a “government” that condemned millions of its citizens to starvation. If it saw a way to take over the South, no matter the cost, if the American troops were not there as a deterrent, it would do so… and even the Chinese would not be able to hold them back.

  • herby002

    - February, 2010:
    “THE NUMBERS are in, and there can no longer be any doubt that President Obama’s stimulus bill, passed just over a year ago, helped pull America from the brink of economic catastrophe, in part by creating millions of jobs that would not otherwise have existed. All of the major economic research firms that have studied the stimulus’ effect have come to this conclusion. The specific estimates vary, but it’s clear that the stimulus created somewhere in the neighborhood of 1.6 million jobs so far, and will generate around 2.5 million in the long run. (The administration’s generous estimate is 3.5 million.)”

    http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/editorials/articles/2010/02/21/a_fact_stimulus_created_jobs/

    - “61,000 jobs created in Florida by stimulus leads nation in 3rd quarter, report says”

    http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/61-000-jobs-created-in-florida-by-stimulus-1014259.html

    - “Stimulus created millions of jobs” – “Much confusion prevails about the stimulus, officially called the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act.
    Republicans, tea partyers and their allies in the media launched from the onset a well-coordinated campaign of falsehoods and misinformation about its necessity and impact on the economy.
    This article intends to inform and use facts and figures to set the record straight: The stimulus act created millions of jobs and averted the pain and misery of another Great Depression.”

    http://www.goerie.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20101015/OPINION08/310159994/0/OPINION

  • diecash1

    I’ll say it s-l-o-w-l-y for you this time: Tax cuts do not lead to a balanced budget and tax cuts do not generally produce more jobs. If this belief were true, the diaster that was W would not have happened. The massive tax cuts devastated the Federal budget and led to the weakest job growth since the Great Depression.
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    http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3036
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    Republican dogma asserts the opposite and empirical evidence points out the falseness of their views. People do not automatically spend more when they receive a tax cut. They spend more when they feel that they are secure in their jobs and health care.

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    It would be nice if they had the word “anti-cyclical” in there.

  • http://abstractcommentator.wordpress.com abstractcommentator

    I agree that it was best for Obama to hang tough on this one and I don’t view his mission abroad as a failure. The press is beating up on him now. Hopefully, they will get bored with that after a while. He needs to frame it for them in a way that will give them a different narrative.

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