Will the Tea Party Help Obama Exit Afghanistan? Probably Not.

Interesting tidbit from a HuffPo chat with Axelrod*:

A student of history and a onetime political reporter, Axelrod expressed curiosity and even some optimism about the tea party, suggesting that Obama could work with them on matters such as a ban on spending earmarks and on winding down the war in Afghanistan.

This comes at a moment when the administration is sending a signal quite different from “winding down” in Afghanistan. Although the White House still says troop withdrawals will begin in July of 2011, as Obama promised last December, the U.S. is now telegraphing a determination to remain in the country until at least 2014 (a message intended for Taliban leaders who may think they can simply wait us out and probably also a Pakistani government convinced we’re going to cut and run, leaving them to clean up behind us). Still, that doesn’t mean Obama won’t bring troop levels down substantially over the next couple of years.

But would the the Tea Partyers really be there to cheer him on? I know some smart Democrats who think the far right’s isolationist tendencies could give Obama cover for troop withdrawals. And a lot of political commentary has fueled that notion. But I’m not so sure.

When you consider the new Tea Party class of 2010 in Congress, it’s not easy to identify more than a small handful who have questioned the mission with any real bite. Yes, Rand Paul–who often anchors discussions about Tea Party foreign policy in a disproportionate way–appears to believe we’re bogged down in a fruitless nation-building exercise. But even he has hedged in a way that suggests fear of offending conservative, pro-military Kentuckyans. But that other–and probably more influential–Tea Party hero, South Carolina Senator Jim DeMint, has criticized Obama’s July 2011 withdrawal trigger as foolhardy. (DeMint even demanded that Michael Steele apologize for his off-message criticism of the war in July.)

Meanwhile a lot of Tea Partyers simply don’t have clearly formed views of foreign policy. Their campaigns were inspired and animated by the economy, the budget, and the bailouts. Generally speaking, Michael Bloomberg probably has a point about their worldliness. Thus, some of these new members will likely turn for tutelage to the usual suspects of the Republican foreign policy establishment, much as Christine O’Donnell did, and emerge towing a fairly hawkish line. And then there are a handful of military veterans new to Congress, like Florida’s Allen West, whose campaign website called the U.S. “a nation at war against a totalitarian theocratic political ideology,” adding that “[t]o defeat it, we must stay on the offensive.”

And then there are the polls. It’s certainly true that the war is broadly unpopular, and no member of Congress can fail to notice that. But most of that opposition comes from liberals especially, and also independents. As with the Iraq war during its darkest days, conservatives are still largely on board: A late September CNN poll found that about six in ten Republicans continue to back the fight in Afghanistan.

All of which leads me to think that Axelrod, and liberal critics of the Afghanistan war, may find themselves disappointed if they’re expecting the Tea Party to give them political cover for scaling back the war effort.

* See also Michael Scherer’s even more interesting talk with Axelrod from our new issue.

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  • luckyjackaubrey

    I think offending Tennesseeans shouldn’t bother Rand Paul that much, considering he is the Senator from Kentucky.

  • piper1

    “But even he has hedged in a way that suggests fear of offending conservative, pro-military Tennesseeans”
    .
    Mr. Paul is the Senator-Elect from Kentucky, so I assume you meant “pro-war Kentuckians.” (is seeking to fight wars indefinitely while proposing to cut veterans benefits really “pro-military??)
    .
    To the topic of this post- umm, no. Teabaggers are simply ultra-conservative Republicans, not “libertarians” if that word still has any meaning beyond “Republicans who don’t like to call themselves “Republicans.” There is no appetite in the Republican Party to end the wars, balance the budget, or promote the general welfare, and the Teabaggers will be promptly co-opted (some clearly have already) by the GOP establishment that views the wars as both an endless gravy train (Keynesian economics on steroids) and a source of political power.
    .
    And of course, this is also a predominantly anti-Obama hissy fit being thrown by the rump end of the Republican Party, so the idea that the people screaming to “keep government out of their Medicare” and questioning the birth certificate of the duly elected President of the United States are going to assist Obama in anything whatsoever is simply fantasy-land dreaming.
    .
    There is not going to be any cooperation from Teabaggers for anything that the Democratic base wouldn’t find repugnant. You can book it.

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    God forbid a Liberal would ever bring war-mongering to an end on his own.

  • Michael Crowley

    my bad! fixed

  • http://shortplaysaboutrealpeople.wordpress.com Michael Maiello

    What liberal? I don’t see one anywhere.

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    Didn’t you know Obama is a Liberal? In fact, during the last election all his “Liberal” ideas were rejected by the whole country, who now want him to move even further to the right, not that he is on the right because he is really a radical socialist.

  • formerlyjames

    I had a comment formed in my head, ready for launch, but it would add nothing to your excellent observations. Just this from the post: “Meanwhile a lot of Tea Partyers simply don’t have clearly formed views of foreign policy.”
    I haven’t seen clearly formed views on anything, foreign or domestic, from TPers other than undefined anger, worn platitudes (take our country back), and hatred (again, not very well defined) for Obama. No help in that quarter forthcoming on anything other than fun rallies.
    .
    And you would have to go back a long,long way (the 2 Great Wars?) to find “the far right’s isolationist tendencies”. That far right wing is dead and buried.

  • formerlyjames

    Simple mistake, Mr. Crowley. You were probably thinking of Al Gore who to our great misfortune did loose his home state in his bid to be president.

  • kbanginmotown

    But would the the Tea Partyers really be there to cheer him on?
    .
    No.
    .
    This has been another edition of short answers to … questions.
    =============
    On a related note:

    Axelrod expressed curiosity and even some optimism about the tea party, suggesting that Obama could work with them on matters such as a ban on spending earmarks and on winding down the war in Afghanistan.

    Did pot get legalized in D.C.? Or, has Axelrod got a medical condition that we don’t know about…?

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    If the rumors about Obama folding yet again, this time on extending tax cuts to the rich, are true, then we know neither the Republicans or the Democrats really care about deficits or stimulating demand in the economy.

    Can the tea baggers help with that?

  • certifiablylazy

    It’s legal, we just don’t have dispensories (sp?) yet.

  • Paul-no not that one

    “Although Mr. Obama and administration officials have repeatedly said that July 2011 would be only the start of troop withdrawals, the Taliban have successfully promoted the deadline among the Afghan populace as a large-scale exit of the 100,000 United States troops now in the country.
    .
    “There’s not really any change, but what we’re trying to do is to get past that July 2011 obsession so that people can see what the president’s strategy really entails,” a senior administration official said Wednesday.”
    .
    So don’t obsess on a position they have repeatedly staked out?
    .
    This continuing theme of “People are just not understanding us” sure is getting tedious.
    .
    Either people don’t which suggests the administration is terrible at communications or people do which makes the administration something worse.

  • GivenUp

    The assumption that the tea party has a coherent set of views and ideas that is anything beyond the standard republican line amuses me greatly.

  • shepherdwong

    Will the Tea Party Help Obama [...]? Probably Not.
    .
    You really get paid for this. Sweet gig.

  • ohiolibb

    The assumption that the tea party has a coherent set of views at all amuses me greatly.

  • Joe Bftsplk

    A note from the Grammar Police…

    “…and emerge towing a fairly hawkish line.”

    You “toe” a line, not “tow” it. You might tow a boat using a line. But “toeing the line” is akin to walking the straight & narrow, or sometimes waiting ’til your’re called (anyone remember “Joliet Jake” Blues’ release from prison?).

    And now, back to our regularly-scheduled argument.

  • http://erieangel.wordpress.com erieangel

    ” (is seeking to fight wars indefinitely while proposing to cut veterans benefits really “pro-military??)
    .
    No. Rand and those like him are simply pro-war.

  • http://erieangel.wordpress.com erieangel

    I am simply amazed everytime I hear or read somebody calling Obama a Liberal. Liberals no longer like nor trust Obama. If Obama were a Liberal he’d not have given up on the Public Option even before any negociations had taken place in the health care fight. If Obama were a Liberal, he’d have ended both wars immediately upon taking office, closed Gitmo, ect., and damned the torpedoes. If Obama were a Liberal, he’d have ordered investigations into Bush’s war operation instead of keeping many of the same policies.
    .
    But you see, Obama is in no way a Liberal. He doesn’t fight for, proposal or even talk about a single Liberal agenda item. He’s just given more of the same, only in a different package. But unless the republicans come up with a strong candidate for 2012 (no Palin or any of the “old guard who’d lost in the past) he will be reelected to a second term.

  • michaelfury

    The real Tea Party would have ended the occupation of Afghanistan long ago.

    http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2010/11/04/a-tea-tray-in-the-sky/

  • apr2563

    http://www.pollingreport.com/afghan.htm
    .
    Since it is the sons and daughters of “real” Americans and their allies, may be we should listen to those “real” Americans.
    They want out of Afghanistan!

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