Deficit Commission Co-Chairs: “The Solution Is Painful”

In Washington, when problems can’t be solved they are given to bipartisan blue-ribbon panels. Then a report is produced that is long, complicated and boring. And the problems generally remain.

Today, the co-chairs of the bipartisan deficit commission put forward a draft proposal with a thesis that no one will like: “The Solution Is Painful.” This is not a surprise, since structural budget deficits of the scale we now have can only be solved by taking money away from people, either through increased taxes or reduced spending. The co-chairs, Republican Alan Simpson and Democrat Erskine Bowles,  put forward a broad sweep of proposals that are unlikely to please anyone. (You can read it here.)

There are significant cuts to military and non-military discretionary spending, a gradual reduction in Social Security benefits through cost of living adjustments and retirement age changes, cuts to Medicare, which Kate looks at below, and dramatic tax reform, which would target everything from the mortgage interest deduction to the charitable deductions. The solution is painful.

This is a plan that will never be enacted. Not only did members of the panel leave the briefing today saying they would not support the plan (14 of the 18 must support the plan for any commission report to be recommended), but it includes the slaying of sacred cows, like cuts to farm subsidies and an end to mine reclamation grants, that are protected in the House and Senate like Fort Knox.

But if this report does have an impact it will be psychological, and it could be positive. The American people are by growing and alarming margins concerned about deficits, but they are at the same time unwilling to support giving up the things that would be required to solve the problem. Everyone supports taking something away from someone else. But by putting all these things on the table, people may begin to price in the possibility of actually giving up some things. If you are on the market for a house, you might start to consider the fact that Congress is floating the idea of a mortgage deduction that tops out at $500,000 loans, for instance, instead of the current $1.1 million loans.

One other cautionary note: Even if a magic wand appeared in Obama’s hand that allowed him to pass this entire package as presented, it is not clear that it would be fully binding. It sets as a goal federal spending that is capped at 21 percent of GDP, but it is not clear if the binding mechanisms to enforce this would hold. It sets medical spending inflation at GDP+1 percent, even though it is entirely possible that the discussed cost saving approaches fail to contain the cost of health care sufficiently.

The only thing we know for sure is, barring a miraculous economic expansion, the thesis is right: The solution is painful.

UPDATE: Jonathan Chait has more thoughts here.

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  • newfreedomblog

    OMG there is a deficit? No way.
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    http://www.usdebtclock.org/

  • Ivy_B

    I thought there was also a cut in taxes for the rich in order to balance the cuts to Medicare? After all it’s their money.

    Alan Simpson is a hack.

  • Ivy_B

    Digby points out –

    Oh, and by the way — they are recommending this even though they agree that social security is not part of the general treasury and should not be counted as part of deficit reduction. They’re just doing this out of the goodness of their hearts.

    As for real debt reduction, one of the more curious aspects is their odd proposal to drastically cut income taxes and repeal the mortgage income deduction. Supply side is back!

    The proposed simplification of the tax code would repeal or modify a number of popular tax breaks — including the deductibility of mortgage interest payments — so that income tax rates could be reduced across the board. Under the plan, individual income tax rates would decline to as low as 8 percent on the lowest income bracket (now 10 percent) and to 23 percent on the highest bracket (now 35 percent). The corporate tax rate, now 35 percent, would also be reduced, to as low as 26 percent.

    That is the reduction I refered to above.

  • kevin
  • anon76

    If Digby’s link is correct, then the ‘Thesis’ is a bit off. It should read ‘The Solution is Painful, unless you are already obscenely wealthy, in which case the good times will roll’.

  • newfreedomblog

    “Yes, there is a deficit. And it’s overwhelmingly due to Republican policies.”

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    And they call me an ideologue. Go figure. Good try little kevie. But, wrong once again.

  • newfreedomblog

    In other news. Dobbs goes to Fox.
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    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/lou-dobbs-signs-with-fox-business-network/
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    Do the libtard sites of CNN and MSNBC have anyone left now?

  • grape_crush

    Loud Obbs hasn’t been on CNN for a year, FreeDumbLog. Not only are you off topic, you’re pointless (as usual).

  • charlieromeobravo

    Ideologue is the nicest thing you’ll be called around here. Bush increased the deficit massive during his 8 years and the deficit actually decreased slightly this fiscal year according to the CBO.

  • hippooath

    Are you surprised that a xenophobe signs on with Fox?
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    Did you write this as a ‘HAH in your face – we got another good guy’ then it’s a instant fail. Keep him. Fear and unbalanced scored another one.
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    “Do the libtard sites of CNN and MSNBC have anyone left now?”
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    Soon they’re down to only news again. I rue the day.

  • grape_crush

    Everyone supports taking something away from someone else.

    What’s unsaid is that some ‘ones’ can weather having something taken away better than some other ‘ones’.

    It’s time for the American people to have a gut check and some serious discussion about what we are all about and what our priorities really are…are we a dog-eat-dog country of bigots, one where the concept of freedom is defined as the ability to take whatever you can from whoever you are strong or devious enough to rip it from?

    Or are we a country that – in good times and bad – have each others’ backs, believe in equality; equal starts, equal opportunities, equal protections, and not-too grossly unequal outcomes?

    I believe we should strive to be the latter. I know I’m not alone.

  • nflfoghorn

    “More people watched Flox on election night than CNN and MSNBC combined! We even beat out the networks! All hail the chieftains of lower education!”
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    And JK thought test scores among black males were bad….

  • http://shortplaysaboutrealpeople.wordpress.com Michael Maiello

    Michael says that the benefit of this is that it’s going to start a discussion. But I don’t see a lot of new ideas here. I see a lot of things that have already been discussed. Social Security benefit cuts and radical changes to the Social Security system, for example, were discussed at length and in great detail during Bush’s second term. The people resoundedly decided in favor of the current system. So why keep beating this horse?

  • Ivy_B

    The link from Ezra Klein that Katy referred to is also appropriate here. No point in getting into a huff about this, this particular report isn’t going to do anything.

    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/11/there_is_no_report_from_the_fi.html?hpid=topnews

    That said, grape_crush is right. We should have a serious conversation in this country about what we really believe and wish to strive for.

  • bcinaz

    The framers screwed up. They should have reversed the order of the stated goals in the preamble to the Constitution: “provide for the common defense and promote the general welfare” are in the wrong order.

    If tax cuts really created jobs, we’d have more jobs than people to fill them; we’ve been living with the Bush tax cuts for a decade and all we have to show for it is 9.6% unemployment and a great big hole where the surplus used to be. There is no evidence to support the tax cut theory.

    I’m beginning to think there really is a vast right wing conspiracy and it’s fighting with all it’s might to prevent any kind of economic recovery.

  • nflfoghorn

    I’d say the GOP is fighting for a recovery…just not yours or mine.

  • mjshep

    I thought it astounding that they wanted to take away tax breaks for the middle class in order to give the rich a huge tax cut.
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    Why would a “deficit reduction” commission be proposing significantly lowered tax rates on top earners in the first place? Then to balance that by hurting the middle class? Something really stinks. Sure there’s pain here, but not for the corporations or the wealthy, just for everyone else. It reads more like a plan for the destruction of the American society and the social safety net as we know it than a serious attempt to set the country on a sustainable path.
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    Oh, and have these geniuses figured out what an elimination of the mortgage interest deduction would do to the already battered and frail housing market?
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    The Wyden plan, which at least keeps the top rates in place, seems much more sensible.  All the “Chairman’s mark” proves is that Simpson is an unmitigated, privileged, uncaring, elitist ass who under no circumstance should be listened to about anything.

  • kevin

    Oh, I’m sorry, Rusty, do you have a different report from another set of economists that suggests the deficit comes from some other sources than those outlined in my link?
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    No?

  • Ivy_B

    A former Swampland commenter TeresaKopec just tweeted –

    Michelle Malkin & Nancy Pelosi both hate the Deficit Commission proposals which means they just sent a thrill up David Broder’s leg.

  • nflfoghorn

    Slightly OT:

    Dow 11,357.04, up 10.29 (+0.09 %).
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    Rusty, care to apologize for this morning?

  • kbanginmotown

    Thanks for the update, Ivy.
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    *sigh* Those were the days.
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    Ivy, Is there a one-stop forum you visit that compares to Swampland circa 2007? Or, do you graze around like the rest of us?

  • Ivy_B

    No, I graze around. Apart from Swampland I follow a good group on twitter – many former Swampies – who post a lot of good links.
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    I’m sure I haven’t found everyone, but folks I have–
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    jarias, joyomama, Teresa Kopec, trifecta, pourmecoffee, and of course the pros – KT, MSherer, and JNSmall.
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    They really were the days.

  • Ivy_B

    I noticed that as well. Of course the months of upticks have had no fuss.

  • http://forgottenlord.livejournal.com forgottenlord

    Agreed!

  • rover27

    The Republican Party has devastated the country’s finances, and the greatest middle class in history in the process. After WWII, the National Debt went down under every president from Truman to Carter. The middle class prospered like no other time. Then we got Reaganed. After 12 years of “trickle down economics”, the Debt exploded from $700 billion to $5.5 trillion.

    Clinton came in, raised taxes on the top 1%, and the economy soared. He left with 3 years of increasingly large surpluses, to the point the CBO projected in 2000 that under current policies the National Debt would be paid off in 10 years.

    Then we got Bushed. Tax cuts for the wealthy, unpaid for wars, unpaid for Medicare drug program, deregulation-mania that led to the financial meltdown that almost led to the second Great Republican Depression in 80 years. And an additional $5.8 trillion in Debt. Leaving the country buried in close to an $11 trillion National Debt.

    And now the chickens have come home to roost and what do the American people do? Reward the people that trashed the country in the first place.

  • formerlyjames

    Social security is a problem? Medicare? Remember Gore’s “lockbox” proposal? That became a joke, but it was to prevent Congress from stealing from what would otherwise be ok. All of this discussion and no mention of the giant elephant in the room, the war machine. Gushing money everyday, every hour, every minute, every second. Tick, tick, tick. The Reaganphiles are so quick to point to their hero”s destruction of the Soviet empire by outspending them on war machines (which is another Republican right wing myth). Now we are doing that to ourselves. China, India, Russia are sitting back laughing at this Blue Ribbon Commission drivel.

  • shepherdwong

    The American people are by growing and alarming margins concerned about deficits, but they are at the same time unwilling to support giving up the things that would be required to solve the problem.
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    Sort of makes you wonder, if your industry had been telling the public the truth about Republican lies about taxes and job creation for the past thirty years, if they would be less confused. For that matter, you could be telling them the truth now that: 1) short-term deficits aren’t important, 2) we can’t cut our way out of our fiscal mess and 3) if we don’t take some of the $trillions stolen by the most wealthy two percent of the population and put it into the long-term fiscal health of the nation by rebuilding infrastructure and investing in future technology, creating millions of jobs in the process, “the greatest nation on earth” is nearing it’s end. But you can’t tell them the truth about that, can you?

  • superfly47

    Big reform and cuts to entitlements must take place. No alternatives exist that can long-term fix the debt. Entitlements are raising faster then inflation, so taxes can’t fix it alone. Doing tax hikes helps to ease the burden, but reforms must be made to fix broken programs. At some point big cuts will take place, it is inevitable. You can’t bring up balancing the budget without bringing up entitlements.

  • morristhewise

    Forget cutting the military budget and Social Security. Lets roll out the printing presses and slice the value of the dollar in half, it might get China angry but it would also slice the national debt in half and increase production in US auto plants. The Ford Escape would be selling at half of its present price in Europe along with most domestically manufactured items. Lets drown the world in low cost products and give them a taste of how we once felt without jobs and self esteem.

  • diecash1

    Entitlements are raising faster then inflation

    Exactly which entitlements are rising “faster than inflation” and therefore must be cut?

  • stuartzechman

    Deficit Commission Co-Chairs: “The Solution Is Painful
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    Not to them.
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    Not yet, anyway.
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    Americans are not going to take that much more of this.

  • http://www.theneuswoman.com thenewuswoman

    They meet for months only to determine that women and children and the elderly are not worth keeping alive and educating. You are some of the most rotten men ever to have set foot in Congress. I truly believe there is a special place in hell reserved for MEN who focus on mammon and war above all else. A 10% cut of the military budget is such a pittance as to be laughable. I hope your mothers are ashamed of you.

  • stuartzechman

    The cost of medical care in the US, both private and public, is rising faster than inflation.
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    Entitlements are not.
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    Health care is.

  • herby002

    Because it ain’t dead yet. I was listening to AM radio today (the NPR station is on Fund Drive schedule) and Limbaugh was pushing Bush’s SS “privatization” scheme again as a way to fix the budget.

  • herby002

    Just a aside -
    The first time I remember that the US dollar was officially devalued was during the Nixon administration, announced on TV by Tricky Dick himself.

  • herby002

    Should we call them the TRUE “death panel”, then?

    (Sorry. Couldn’t resist.)

  • allthingsinaname

    It is painful for whom? Isn’t that the question?

  • newfreedomblog

    Deficits and debt. Without a shadow of a doubt, deficits and debt under Obama have skyrocketed.
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    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/72404
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    Yes, Republicans did add to the national debt, but not at the record pace Obama has done in the past 2 years. Obama has amassed more debt in the past 2 years than the combined debt passed on by all Presidents from George Washington to Ronald Reagan combined.
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    So far as the Bush II years, yes deficits and debt did increase, but not until after the Democrats took control of the House and Senate in 2006. Bush as President should have vetoed all of the spending the Democrat controlled House and Senate passed through to him, but he didn’t. That is why Republicans paid a price and lost so badly in 2008. 2010 we saw the exact opposite and as great of a swing in how voters, voted.
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    We can argue all day long as to who is and who is not responsible. The fact is they ALL are responsible. One group padding the pockets of the rich with tax cuts, the other paying off their base of support with entitlement programs.
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    This debt commission is right on track, but we shall never see any of the major changes they are promoting, especially a re-vamping of our tax system. The only way this will be fixed and become fair is to rid ourselves of all of the give-aways to special interest groups. We need to simply throw out all deductions and everyone pays a flat % of their income no matter how much or little they make. No more loop-holes or deductions, period.
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    We need to cut spending and reduce the size and scope of our government. When you start talking the numbers at this size for these budgets there is no way that anyone can know what is waste, fraud or abuse. There is no longer a review of programs that no longer work and have run their course so to speak. The bureaucrats continue to ask for their budgets, and Congress / Presidents keep giving it to them. They simply pay it out with a 10 – 30 % increase each and every year. It has become totally unmanageable.

  • jlbrumb

    “We need to cut spending and reduce the size and scope of our government. When you start talking the numbers at this size for these budgets there is no way that anyone can know what is waste, fraud or abuse. There is no longer a review of programs that no longer work and have run their course so to speak. The bureaucrats continue to ask for their budgets, and Congress / Presidents keep giving it to them. They simply pay it out with a 10 – 30 % increase each and every year. It has become totally unmanageable.

    Read more: http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/11/10/deficit-commission-co-chairs-the-solution-is-painful/#ixzz151DhqMiA

    SUMS UP MY FEELINGS EXACTLY!

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