In the Arena

The Wages of Ignorance

It is in the nature of politicians, and political observers–mea culpa!–to overread election returns. The Democrats certainly did this in 2008: their mandate was to focus on an economy that Republican-style deregulation had brought crashing down (with a major assist from Larry Summers, Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac), and also to bring an end to the era of Bushian arrogance overseas. The mandate didn’t include an across-the-board imposition of the perennial Democratic wish list, even though health care reform and energy legislation, including a price on carbon, are very much in the long-term interests of this country. There was an economic crisis; Barack Obama was hired because he seemed cool and rational dealing with it during the fall campaign and John McCain did not.

This time, the mandate is more ephemeral. The national vote was probably no more than strong disapproval of the President’s inability to get the economy moving again, aided and abetted by a general bedfuddlement about why Obama wandered off into health care and cap-and-trade when there was so much meat-and-potatoes work to be done. But the Republicans, especially the loonified precincts of the party are taking these results are an indication that the public wants to do everything from repeal health reform to privatize social security. In such moments, clever politicians retreat to the ancient tactic of jujitsu–use your opponent’s momentum drive him off a cliff.

Frank Rich has a good jujitsu idea for the President in his column today. Put the spotlight on the Tea Party leaders, bring them to the White House, ask them to make specific proposals, publicize just exactly what people like Jim DeMint and Michelle Bachmann want to do. Bill Clinton did a version of this in 1995: he let the Republicans try to set the budget agenda during the first nine months of the year, let them overreach, which they did, culminating in their disastrous shutdowns of the government in September and again in December.

Meanwhile, Peter Baker has a sobering piece about how the Republicans might mess up one of the President’s most successful foreign policy initiatives–the reset with Russia. The President has moved wisely in a number of foreign policy fields–the strategic value of his current non-China visit to Asia is a good example–and one hopes that the Republicans understand that their victory had absolutely nothing to do with international issues, and that the martial agenda of the neoconservatives is best left on the shelf at this delicate moment.

Also: I think Jonathan Cohen is on the right track here, with his proposal that the Obama Administration find work for these four unemployed governors. I’d especially like to see Ed Rendell and Ted Strickland assume major roles in the Administration–as a part of the President’s White House inner circle. They’re grownups, they’re terrific executives, they’ve had recent experience outside the bubble, in  the real world.

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  • allthingsinaname

    As I have mentioned on a nu,ber of posts since the election, TX faces a $25 billion short fall in it’s budget. Yet in the year of hate and ignorance this state put even more Rep in office. We are 28th in education and near the bottom in health care and what are our solutions?

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    Some Republican lawmakers — still reveling in Tuesday’s statewide election sweep — are proposing an unprecedented solution to the state’s estimated $25 billion budget shortfall: dropping out of the federal Medicaid program.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/07/us/politics/07ttmedicaid.html?_r=1

  • formerlyjames

    I expected Repub dominance in Texas, but was shocked at the extent of it. It was beyond dominance, more like slaughter. Attributable to relative economic prosperity compared to the rest of the country.
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    Mr. Klein, the Rich hyperlink is off…goes to youtube, something about baseball.

  • newfreedomblog

    “The mandate didn’t include an across-the-board imposition of the perennial Democratic wish list, even though health care reform and energy legislation, including a price on carbon, are very much in the long-term interests of this country.”

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    Doh!! Yes it did!!
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    Cap and Crap was re-soundly rejected by voters and was a major part of this election cycle coming in as number 3 or 4 of top reasons why Democrats where thrown out of office. It was the NUMBER 1 reason Joe Manchin had to completely abandon his political stand on the issues, and become a center-right candidate just weeks before the election.
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    This election no matter how you attempt to spin it Klein was a referendum on Democrat wish-lists. The country made an abrupt U-turn in the direction Democrats were taking this country. We shall now head back in the opposite direction. Any idiot or HONEST person would acknowledge that FACT. But, as you are one of the multitude of perennial liberal shills, this is not surprising at all.
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    But, even with the election resulting in just the House being taken over by conservatives. You still have the fact that the vast majority of Governors were Conservative Republicans. The majority of State Houses and Senates are now conservative controlled. You will see elections won going forward by conservatives for the next 10 years or until the next census is taken in 2020. Redistricting will become a major factor deciding the direction of Democrat wish-lists going forward. I can confidently state that any liberal agenda for this country is now D-E-A-D!

  • formerlyjames

    rusty, the mandate referred to was for the 2008 election, not 2010. I’m sure that won’t matter in regard to you stating your points, just pointing out a slight oversight on your part, not Klein’s.

  • gysgt213

    Governor Perry is also pushing opting out of Social Security which would also seem to mean opting out of Medicare for the senior citizens of this here great state too. Mean while buy his book.

  • gysgt213

    “They’re grownups.”
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    Joe-The grownups in the democratic party got the democrats screwed on Nov 2nd. Please retire the term.

  • gysgt213

    A Kenyan won the NYC marthon today. Proving that is and always has been a socialist communist foot race.

  • allthingsinaname

    Relative economic prosperity? With a $25 billion short fall? If you are looking at the unemployment number, you have to be aware that TX leads the nation in the number of minimum wage jobs. You also have to take in account of the number of those without health care, and the education situation, our numbers do not suggest prosperity at all.

  • newfreedomblog

    You are correct that the “mandate” Klein refers to was in 2008. My point that I apparently did not make clear enough is that the supposed “mandate of 2008″ was followed through with by all Democrats from 2008 to election day 2010. It is directly the result of this major swing in the opposite direction now so far as the voters are concerned.
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    There is a clear mandate now with this past election. My point also that the mandate from the November 2nd election will be felt for the next 10 years. If you are a fan of the “Democrat wish-list”, you will have a long long time to wait for any change in election results going forward.

  • formerlyjames

    allthings, the key word is relative. The Texas economy as a whole has not suffered the decline felt in the rest of the country. I don’t comment on the merits, and my observation is mostly anecdotal and what I read about other places. In fact, I am ignorant of the budget shortfall which you mention, but I do know that such shortfalls have occurred in the past and been dealt with by the legislature, resulting in the diminished public services which you mention. I guess it would be more accurate to say prosperity in a Republican, right wing sense, both fiscal and moral.

  • rdw56

    Ed Rendell was a terrific mayor and a good governor for 4 years but he raised spending and taxes too much. He ended up fairly unpopular setting the table for the easy Corbett victory and GOP sweep of PA. Obama should appoint him to something but will not. He backed Hillary, is still close to the Clintons and is far too blunt for Obama. I don’t agree with his politics but he is an exceptionally likable man and very competent administrator.

  • rdw56

    “aided and abetted by a general bedfuddlement about why Obama wandered off’

    There wasn’t befuddlement. It was precisely the opposite. After running a content free campaign where the MSM did absolutely no vetting we found out who Obama is. He’s a pretty far left, hyper partisan liberal. The election results aren’t ephermeral. They’re clear. The GOP may have underperformed in the Senate do to weaker candidates winning primaries but they vastly over-performed in the House, governorships and historically in state races. This was a total butt-kicking.

    That’s not to say the GOP congress will be effective but the competition isn’t anywhere the level of 1996. Obama is no Clinton while Reid and Pelosi are disasters.

  • Paul-no not that one

    “They’re grownups.”
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    (Read: “They agree with me”)

  • apr2563
  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    “The national vote was probably no more than strong disapproval of the President’s inability to get the economy moving again, aided and abetted by a general bedfuddlement about why Obama wandered off into health care and cap-and-trade when there was so much meat-and-potatoes work to be done. ”

    Should be:

    “The national vote was probably no more than strong disapproval of the President’s inability to get the economy roaring again, settling as he did for a half hearted attempt to stop the bleeding, based on the poor advice and obstruction he faced from centrist and right-wing Democrats. Given the modest recovery of the economy, people wondered why Obama wandered off into health care and cap-and-trade, dropping the only thing that might have lowered health costs, the public option, when there was so much meat-and-potatoes work to be done.”

    I’m sure what Obama needs to do now, given that half his base is demoralized and uninterested, is hire more centrists to compromise with obstructionists, who have already stated they are not interested in working with Obama.

  • gysgt213

    “we found out who Obama is. He’s a pretty far left, hyper partisan liberal.”
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    And you have to be a pretty far right hyper partisan winger to give a cluess and blind observation like this.

  • apr2563

    Ed Rendell is down to about 20% popularity in PA and is lucky he couldn’t run again.
    Joe just loves him his centerist pols. He just refuses to acknowledge the centerism and trying to placate the right is what caused the loss the Dems suffered.
    It would be nice if Joe, in his kumbaya moments, could tell us how you can work with the Republicans unless you totally capitulate.

  • http://teacherreaderwriter.wordpress.com/ Shakespeare in GA

    He’s a pretty far left, hyper partisan liberal.
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    Have you been paying attention to the past two years? What has Obama done, exactly, that is “far-left”? He’s kept most of the Bush-era provisions regarding the war on terror. He’s moved slowly on such liberal items as the repeal of DADT. During his campaign he called for a withdrawal from Iraq and an increase in troops in Afghanistan, both of which he has delivered on and both of which, especially the former, were and are supported by a majority of Americans. This is hardly the record of a “far-left, hyper-partisan liberal.” (And before you say “health care reform,” remember that the current law is similar to a bill proposed by Republicans in the ’90s, including the individual mandate, and does not include any “liberal” items such as a single-payer system or a public option.)
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    Calling Obama a “far-left, hyper-partisan liberal” is just another example of the way “liberal” has been used as a pejorative term, rather like “witch” or “shark.” It has little to do with reality and much to do with describing a politician you do not like as stupid, immoral, un-American, or all three.
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    Obama had a record as an Illinois state legislator, wrote two books, and was a US Senator. His record was pretty clear and vetted. I think you’re confusing Obama with a certain former governor from Alaska.
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    Disagree with Obama’s policies and/or his politics, by all means. Just do so without resorting to baseless labels that are generally used as red meat to hard-right conservatives.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    Rusty,
    What’s up? I’m in dire need an ideological diagnosis.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    *need of

  • hippooath

    There’s no point point out facts. Rdw and the gang heard, read and watched it. They don’t need no stinking facts or clues about reality since they build one for themselves.
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    Sean and Rush told em, Glenn cried about it. So it must be so. That’s why most of what they write doesn’t square with reality as we all live in.

  • lizziefromcanada

    “we found out who Obama is. He’s a pretty far left, hyper partisan liberal.”
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    Are you for real? Our conservative Prime minister would be, in the USA, a blue dog democrat.
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    Beware you citizens of the USA, up north, there is a socialist, communist, fascist country!
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    And for those who are wondering, it is called Canada.

  • shepherdwong

    The Democrats certainly did this in 2008: their mandate was to focus on an economy that Republican-style deregulation had brought crashing down…
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    Isn’t that “Republican-style” characterization a way to avoid denying what it really was: bi-partisan and centrist deregulation all the way (just the way you like it, right Joe?). It sure would be nice every once in a while to see our Very Serious Elites take some responsibility for screwing the public, you’re certainly getting paid enough for it.

  • shepherdwong

    And for those who are wondering, it is called Canada.
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    I wasn’t wondering. I also understand that your bankers, oil companies and defense contractors don’t run your government, most of your citizens know what a socialist is, you don’t go bankrupt from getting sick and you have decent jobs. Where do I sign up?

  • lizziefromcanada

    “I wasn’t wondering. I also understand that your bankers, oil companies and defense contractors don’t run your government, most of your citizens know what a socialist is, you don’t go bankrupt from getting sick and you have decent jobs.”
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    Yep! But we are still a socialist, fascist, communist country for some of your fellow Americans and I am sick and tired of reading and hearing this!

  • lizziefromcanada

    sheperdwong,

    As for signing up.

    http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/index.asp

    You are welcome.

  • stuartzechman

    bi-partisan and centrist deregulation all the way
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    That is a factually true statement:

    The Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act (GLB), also known as the Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999, (Pub.L. 106-102, 113 Stat. 1338, enacted November 12, 1999) is an act of the 106th United States Congress (1999–2001). It was signed into law by President Bill Clinton and it repealed part of the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933, opening up the market among banking companies, securities companies and insurance companies. The Glass-Steagall Act prohibited any one institution from acting as any combination of an investment bank, a commercial bank, and an insurance company.
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    The Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act allowed commercial banks, investment banks, securities firms, and insurance companies to consolidate. For example, Citicorp (a commercial bank holding company) merged with Travelers Group (an insurance company) in 1998 to form the conglomerate Citigroup, a corporation combining banking, securities and insurance services under a house of brands that included Citibank, Smith Barney, Primerica, and Travelers…
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    The law was passed to legalize these mergers on a permanent basis. It also allowed traditional investment brokers to create and sell high-risk investment products to traditionally low-risk commercial banks, which may have worsened the subprime mortgage crisis of 2007.
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    Democrats agreed to support the bill after Republicans agreed to strengthen provisions of the anti-redlining Community Reinvestment Act and address certain privacy concerns…
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    On November 4, the final bill resolving the differences was passed by the Senate 90-8,[13][14] and by the House 362-57.[15][16] This legislation was signed into law by Democratic President William Jefferson “Bill” Clinton on November 12, 1999.[17]

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gramm%E2%80%93Leach%E2%80%93Bliley_Act

    It is an indication of either ignorance or partisan dishonesty to blame the crash on “Republican-style deregulation.
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    The catastrophic mishandling of the US economy exemplified by these first steps toward repeal of New Deal protections was truly a bipartisan and centrist-enabled error –much like Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002, passed almost three years later.
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    Based on these facts, if the trend toward bipartisan and centrist policy continues, one can reasonably expect further disastrous mismanagement and economic folly –and further lowering of the standard of living of ordinary Americans– as a result.
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    Neither partisan denialism from both Republicans and Democrats, nor some superpower jiu-jitsu in the imaginations of Versailles pundits like Frank Rich can erase these failures or these facts.
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    The “grownups” will prove themselves inept at running the country, and the rest of us will surely suffer for their vanities, once again.

  • shepherdwong

    The “grownups” will prove themselves inept at running the country, and the rest of us will surely suffer for their vanities, once again.
    .
    The denial about the utter and perpetual failure of centrist policies is absolutely breathtaking, especially considering how long it’s been going on and how spectacularly the centrists have been proven wrong. Of course admitting that and rejecting the centrist/corporatist bread that feeds them is just not going to happen. They’ve already sacrificed too much to that vanity to come to terms with it now.

  • liberalmeltdown

    Now Joe, you know the progressive liberals on here aren’t going to like it if you keep pointing out that the housing meltdown was created by their very own progressive economist and neo Keynesian Larry Summers. But then, you also point out that Freddie and Fannie played major roles and that points to Freddie and Fannie cheerleader Barney the Frank who also had an affair with a Freddie Mac employee. Seems Barney was distracted from his fiduciary duties as overseer of the banking system. I guess he was busy pursuing his sexual interests.

  • shepherdwong

    The wages of (self-imposed) ignorance indeed.

  • liberalmeltdown

    lizzie, you have a post that you are attributing those comments to, or are you just making them up?
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    If you want Obama you can have him, perhaps we could make a free trade agreement.
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    Please recruit all these liberals from this site, take them to Canada and pay for their healthcare and other living expenses while they sit in their basement in pajamas and blog all day about how bad it is that they don’t get more from the government. Thanks for being a good neighbor.

  • lizziefromcanada

    liberalmeltdown,

    We have had single payer healthcare for 40 years and no one, even our conservative PM will take it away
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_health_care_systems_in_Canada_and_the_United_States
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    Our banks did not sunk.
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Canadian_and_American_economies
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    Our unemployment rate is at 7.9% in october.
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    http://www.steelguru.com/international_news/Macroeconomic_indicators_-_Canadian_unemployment_rate_down_in_October/173919.html.
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    What else do you want to know?

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  • doctorthunder

    Ed Rendell. Really. Are you aware of what he has done in Pennsylvania or is your opinion simply based on what you hear from Ed on the talk show merry-go-round. Check out his policy on drilling for natural gas on state land. Bad management, bad environmental policy, and a bad deal for taxpayers all rolled into one. Yes, he’s great on the talkshows – but its not matched by his record.

  • newfreedomblog

    Very well said. I live in Pennsylvania, and Rendell has always been more concerned with placating to his base in Philadelphia.
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    I am not an environmentalist in the sense that all things carbon or nuclear should be taken off the table to meet our country’s energy needs, but the natural gas debacle with the Marcellus Shale reserve needs further study before drillers are allowed to just willy-nilly go ahead with their drilling plans.
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    I recently questioned our own Representative in Congress at a meeting I helped sponsor. One of the major concerns was the Marcellus Shale project. I know of many people who own land next to current drilling sites who have lost their underground water reserves due to contamination with the extraction of the gas. The Representatives response was simply “that is not true, and I am for more drilling”. He also said more “studies” would be a waste of time and money. That in 34 years all of the hype with the risks have been unproven. I believe he is wrong.

  • Alex Vallas

    Governor Rendall would make an excellent Chief of Staff – a position he has expressed interest in. I am bewildered why Pa. voted in Toomey. Toomey worked for China and on Wall Street. Two areas that greatly damaged this country economically. Sestak is a retired Vice Admiral with no baggage yet he lost. Sadly, political ads, with all their lies and distortions, have had far too much influence on the American voter. Few bother to really check the facts. They can tell you more about Lindsey Lohan’s addictions and Brett’s sex life than their candidates qualifications.

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    Again with the “focus” and the “spotlight.”!
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    The voters rejected failed policies.
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    Unemployment is very high!
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    Many people are being foreclosed upon!
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    Health care bills went up double digits for their 2011 enrollment, or worse, if they were in the private or small biz marketplace!
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    We’re still at war for no reason!
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    The only thing they could do was try a new set of bums. Or, if they couldn’t hold their noses and vote for their particular new set of bums, stay home.
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    If Obama had said over and over again “Message, I care” about jobs, the same thing would have happened. Yes, consuming more than a year to pass HCR he could have passed in a month, with attendant opportunity for the Republicans create a socialist, communists, fascist death panel Medicare killing collection of lies, didn’t help. But if the bill hadn’t sucked, it wouldn’t have mattered that much.
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    “Focus” doesn’t matter when more than one in six people are under or unemployed. Results matter.

  • http://gingerfightback.wordpress.com gingerfightback

    Hello has anybody notices Obama’s new look as he struggles to regain popularity in America – looks like sarah Palin is joining in the fun – take a look at http://www.gingerfightback.com and make your own minds up.

    Ta Ta

  • morristhewise

    Restoring the cold war with China will be very profitable, it will open up their borders to more American enterprises and perk up the weapons manufacturing industry. The udder of the Chinese cow is ready to be milked, it will prove to be the best producer in the American barn.

  • chillycat88

    So Klein….JOURNOLIST MUCH…….is this the theme that all of you have gotten together and decided is the “story” that you are going to “report” on ….hahahahaha just writng the word report in an email about you makes me laugh!!!!

  • http://kjatexas.wordpress.com kjatexas

    What planet are you living on, Joe? Or, is your political bias preventing your brain from engaging in critical thinking.
    This election was a complete repudiation of the Obama/Democrat agenda. The American people DON’T want the government running their healthcare. The American people DON’T want cap and trade. And, the American people DON’T want their representatives refusing to listen to the will of the people, acting like authoritarians, and passing legislation the public loudly and clearly communicated it did not want.

  • firstpoppa

    Joe and Time didn’t have any problems about pushing a “mandate” after the 2008 elections.

    What’s changed guys?

  • tateofpa

    Joe you may want to go to Cal and help them pass their pot reform, because I think you may have been partaking of the herb. In 2002 President Bush and the Republicans said there was a pressing problem with fannie and freddie, and who was it that said there was no problems? If memory servers me will it was the likes of Franks and Dodd. Let see the new senator from Mass ran on repealing HC, and many of those coming in ran on the same addenda of repealing HC and getting the spending under control. So exactly where are they miss reading the election? Is it because you favor all this spending that you want them to be miss reading the election?

  • rdw56

    Sestak had all kinds of baggage such as supporting the stimulus, cap and trade, union baliouts, higher taxes and an anti-israel stance. Plus that dispute over Obama trying to buy him off didn’t help. This ain’t time to be a tax and spend liberal and he’s all that.

    Look for Casey to go next.

  • rdw56

    Obama is so over his head. Clinton had a ton more experience and was far smarter and he still knew he had to listen to the smart guys on economics and he knew socialism didn’t work. Had Obama listened to Larry Summers on the stimulus and crafted a bill that was front end loaded and dedicated toward economic activity he could have moved the needle a bit more. Bush get a great push on trade adding to GDP growth while Obama blocked trade.

    When you hear Obama say things like, ‘every economist agreed’ you know right away you are dealing with a hack. There has never been a time in history every economist agreed on anything. Obama has been and remains so sheltered he doesn’t know that.

  • rdw56

    You really are missing something quite important. Obama has blown a golden opportunity by his arrogance and ignorance. The stimulus was a disaster. Keynes has lost. There is no political support outside the fringe left. We just had about 40 elections for governor and 39 ran on cutting spending. This is a total repudiation of Keynes.

    There is a video of Christie on meet the press yesterday that’s gone viral that is just one example of bad news for lefties. Gregory and the MSM are trying to call Obama tax legislation new tax cuts. It’s the sort of absurd political construction that drives sane people crazy. People hate it when politicians and the press lie. They are extenions of the bush tax cuts. They are not knew tax cuts. No one on 1/1/2011 is going to pay less in taxes than on 12/31/2010. He called Gregory an advocate for the DNC which is of course what he is and David knew Christie created a headline for himself.

    Obama can’t raise taxes on the rich A DIME: He can’t reverse GWBs tax cuts. He can’t do what Clinton did. The greatest orator since Lincoln can’t raise taxes even 1% on the wealthiest 1%. It’s a total repudiation of liberalism

  • morganfrost

    “Republicans might mess up one of the President’s most successful foreign policy initiatives–the reset with Russia.”

    That was a success? Hillary gave Putin a fake button with the incorrect word for “reset” spelled out on it in English characters. The biggest success that this administration could claim with Russia is that Putin no longer takes us seriously enough to be worried.

    As to misreading mandates, what we have here is a desparately unhappy liberal who wishes the facts were other than they are. Yes, this sweep was more about rebuking the Democrats for misreading their mandate than handing the Republicans one. That said, the Republicans probably can’t do wrong if they take “undo this” as a pretty clear mandate.

  • http://elvisberg.wordpress.com Elvis Elvisberg

    “It’s highly unlikely — if not outright impossible — that CRA, Fannie, or Freddie to have had a hand in any of these now-sour loans.” http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2010/07/cra-fannie-freddie-coup-de-grace/

  • pelhamite1

    I’ll tell you what changed – the number of people of voted. The mandate of 2008 reflected the choices of the roughly 110 million people who voted in that year. The mandate of 2010 – if there is one – reflects the choices of the 75 million people who voted this year. The fall off was deepest in those categories – the young, the female, the most progressive – in which the Democrats are strong while there was hardly any fall off at all in the older, whiter voters that provide the strength of the Republican Party. Now, all credit to the Republicans for getting their people to the polls and winning a number of very close elections. But, except for the state of Texas, which seems to have completely lost its mind, this is not a full throated mandate about anything. There is a base of roughly 40% that opposes everything the President does, hell or high water, an equivalent 40% roughly that supports and very confused, and quite inattentive “mushy middle” that slides uncetainly, and a little desperately, between the two. This group, this year, got frustrated by the economy and also, perhaps, influenced by the torrent of lies they were subjected to in the Republican attack ads, but I refuse to believe that they really want to, say, go back to a system that denies millions of American children health care. I think there are a lot of reasons to believe that the Republicans will demonstrate to thee independents just how devoid of answers (and hostlle to the working class) they really are.

  • rdw56

    been away a bit:

    Most of these criticisms are fair and I should have explained myself better. There’s no question he’s been hyper-partisan. He didn’t talk to the GOP on anything. The left s/b pissed on things like national security and defense when it’s pretty clear his actions on the Senate were pure political partisanship to position himself opposite Clinton and Bush. Quite successfully I might add. I do think it’s fair to say he lied to you.

    His passion is domestic policy and he is absolutely far left. Cap and Tax is a liberal wet dream. He went as far left as he could on healthcare and further than anyone reasonable person could expect. He’s not a king. He needed 60 votes in the Senate. He issued an order to close Gitmo day one. It’s not his fault. congress would not pay. That’s another liberal dream. He’d like to be able to redistribute wealth more and is trying. He nationalized GM. His stimulus was primarily a union bailout. He’s appointing lefty judges. I think he appointed weak justices but they are very left. His policies on Israel are very far left. This guy is the most liberal president since LBJ and before that Wilson.

  • herby002

    20 – tat,

    “President Bush and the Republicans said there was a pressing problem with fannie and freddie, and who was it that said there was no problems?”

    I’m sorry. I missed that. Care to cite something specific (& truthful) that said there was a pressing problem?
    ???

    While you’re at it, please state what the Repub President, the Repub House of Representatives, and the Repub Senate did to address that supposed pressing problem in the next four years.
    ???

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