MSNBC Suspends Olbermann

MSNBC has suspended Keith Olbermann “indefinitely and without pay” for making financial contributions to three Democratic congressional candidates. Per MSNBC.com:

The announcement came in a one-sentence statement from msnbc TV President Phil Griffin: “I became aware of Keith’s political contributions late last night. Mindful of NBC News policy and standards, I have suspended him indefinitely without pay.”

The donations were first reported by the Politico website earlier in the day.

Olbermann acknowledged the donations in a statement to Politico, saying he gave the maximum legal donation of $2,400 to Arizona Reps. Raul Grijalva and Gabrielle Giffords and Kentucky Attorney General Jack Conway, who waged an unsuccessful campaign for the U.S. Senate against Tea Party standard-bearer Rand Paul.

Olbermann’s donations are a violation of company policy, and obviously MSNBC has the right to deal with personnel as they wish. But nobody is confusing Olbermann for a nonpartisan reporter, and the network knows that. They’ve made a pile of money by positioning themselves as the liberal foil to FOX, an effort in which they’ve made Olbermann arguably the central figure. New York mag’s Dan Amira sums up the hypocrisy well:

Olbermann is a political commentator and demonstrates his liberal and Democratic bias every night on his show. Why should his employer hold him to a standard of impartiality in his personal life when they encourage partiality on his nightly broadcast?

Update: Greg Sargent wonders whether Olbermann, who makes no pretense about being an “impartial journalist,” even violated company policy.

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  • http://gum0nshoe.wordpress.com gumOnShoe

    Maybe Fox will hire him. :D
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    I don’t think news anchors should be prohibited from donating, I think they should keep their bias to their personal life. And yeah, this is NBC’s decision, and at least they have standards, but all the same there’s a level of hypocrisy here.
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    It is unfortunate Fox does not have the same standards as MSNBC.

  • allthingsinaname

    Well FOX is for it, or is that against it, or is that it depends on who he gave it to? We will have to wait and see. Freedom of speech and all.

  • http://elvisberg.wordpress.com Elvis Elvisberg

    Tough to muster much sympathy for KO, if that was in fact the policy.
    -
    But…

    Joe Scarborough, host of the “Morning Joe” talk show and the evening newscast “Scarborough Country,” $4,200 in March 2006 to Derrick Kitts, Republican candidate for the House from Oregon. Scarborough was a Republican member of Congress from Florida from 1995 to 2001. He also provides political commentary for MSNBC, CNBC and NBC’s “Today Show.” A spokesperson for NBC, Jeremy Gaines, replied to questions sent to Scarborough. “Yes, he did make a donation to Derrick Kitts. Kitts is an old friend of Joe’s. Joe hosts an opinion program and is not a news reporter.”

    -
    The double standard is the story here, if that holds up. Did KO just irritate higher ups at MSNBC (he sure did at ESPN)? Or is there something else going on?

  • deconstructiva

    Well, if MSNBC wants to be consistent they’ll need to check out Buchanan’s and Scarborough’s activities too.
    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/11/keith_olbermann_suspended.html
    (Greg Sargent provides more links)

  • nflfoghorn

    “It is unfortunate MSNBC does not have the same standards as Flox. Then we can be unethical as well as hypocritical.”
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    There.
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    Does seem odd that allasudden Ms.NBC wants to be like its big brother and feign objectivity ’cause he gave a coupla Dems some $. Guard Duck is probably the most unobjective people on cable news, for better or worse.
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    AA, surely you’re not confusing his bias with Flox’s flat-out lying, are ya?

  • hippooath

    Or maybe the winds are changing and the leftward tilt isn’t paying off?

    It’s dumb. But it’s their rules. Somewhere fox is laughing their @ssess off.

  • nflfoghorn

    Should read:
    …Worst…Objective…PERSON…in the Worrrrld. :)

  • nflfoghorn

    Insert Phony Flox Sincerity Notice: “We wish Mr. Guard Duck every success during his involuntary vacation.”

  • jsfox

    While I am no fan of Keith’s I do find the double standard here a bit stunning.

  • Paul-no not that one

    Seems pretty black and white to me. He gets paid by, and is beholden to the policies of, MSNBC.

  • http://gum0nshoe.wordpress.com gumOnShoe

    No, what I meant is what I meant. It’d be great if a lot of the reporters on Fox were out of jobs. :D

  • bobcn1

    IOKIYAR

  • Ivy_B

    I think MSNBC got into a panic and decided they wanted to seem more objective.in case the Repubs came after them. After all, Scarborough isn’t sufficient to hold up against Fox. Of course they have Buchanan who also gave to candidates after the policy came out, but…

    Better to have the network give a million to the RGA.

  • diecash1

    The policy may be “pretty black and white” but, as noted by Dan Amira, the hypocrisy of MSNBC is rather stunning.

  • liberalmeltdown

    An excuse to get rid of a dope.

  • filmnoia


    The double standard is the story here, if that holds up. Did KO just irritate higher ups at MSNBC (he sure did at ESPN)? Or is there something else going on?”

    My guess is that there IS something else going on here.
    We need MSNBC as a counterweight to Fox, and I think that once GE completes the sale of NBC to Comcast people like Olbermann, Schultz, Maddow, and maybe even O’Donnell ,are going to be dumped like Phil Donohue was.

    We would be better off if the news in this country had more of a BBC flavor and added some depth and content to their stories, but “news” entertainment of the he said/she said variety always wins out.

    The polarization in our politics in the last 15-20 years is a direct result of the in your face nature of talk radio and the advent of FOX with their list of enemies. Even Right Wingers can’t escape that fact.

  • hippooath

    I don’t know why so many are so darn scared of republican propaganda and a bunch of red faced blow hard tea partiers? Democrats need to grow a spine. These are the people who p!ss their pants when someone builds a prayer place somewhere or they see a guy with a different garb? It’s perpetual fear and outrage and they can’t go to sleep unless they have a machine gun under their pillow.
    .
    Geez almighty – can democrats please stop excusing for having ideas other than asking everyone to bend over and give it to the rich guy?
    .
    All it does is feeding the narrative that conservative are the bad boys – some kind of flood of real Americanism. My conservative dad think they’re a bunch of idiots flocking around a intellectually incurious Sarah Palin like she’s the second coming of Lincoln and the cry baby Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh.
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    He might not agree in my personal political view, but he’s not a big fan of the current crop of spoiled children.

  • apr2563

    There is no Fox News. It is the propaganda arm of the Republican party.
    Case in point, the phony story about Obama’s trip to India costing over $200 million a day. The story went to Drudge, Limbaugh picks up, rw internet sites push the meme, Bachmann brays about it, and Fox features it all day long. No one bothered to get the facts. And, no one will apologize about the hyperbole. Just throw the dirt and what sticks will stick.
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    http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/11/bachmann-outraged-over-made-up-cost-of-obamas-india-trip-video.php?ref=fpb
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    And the Fox/Republican echo chamber just keeps reverberating and the traditional media continues to be amused by it.

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    Ok aper, here’s your chance to gives us the real facts and figures on B.O’s trip then.
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    We’re waiting.

  • Paul-no not that one

    I don’t find network hypocrisy stunning. Ever.

  • charlieromeobravo

    “We need MSNBC as a counterweight to Fox,”
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    No, we don’t. At least not in the way MSNBC is trying operate, at the more liberal alternative to Fox. The counterweight we need is a network that doesn’t actively lean one way or the other, fact checks both sides loudly and regularly, and is dedicated to getting to the news beyond repeating politicians’ and pundits’ statements. Another partisan warrior is the last thing we need at the moment.

  • nflfoghorn

    “…here’s your chance to gives us the real facts and figures”
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    You obviously know that exact #s aren’t available for security reasons. But the figure is more like $20M/day, minus the boats, planes and harems. For a president to spend $200M on a nine-day trip–roughly the same amount that we spend in Iraq every day–would be way out of line if it were true. Who started the war in Iraq anyway?
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    Proving a negative doesn’t make you smart, “1/2.’

  • apr2563
  • hippooath

    2third.
    “”probably false.” Snopes traced the rumor back to an anonymous Indian government official, quoted in a Press Trust of India article published on Tuesday. Factcheck.org calls the claim “highly doubtful,” and points out that the entire war in Afghanistan currently costs about $190 million a day (h/t AJC).”
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    So you’re saying with a straight face that 2000 (or whatever made up number we go with) people staying in a 5 star hotel cost per day more than all our troops and equipment in Afghanistan?

  • hippooath

    “The numbers evidently originate with the Press Trust of India, whose report was linked on the Drudge Report and picked up by Fox News host Glenn Beck. The news agency also wrongly said that the White House had blocked off the entire Taj Mahal Palace hotel for Obama’s visit and that the U.S. was stationing 34 warships—roughly 10 percent of the naval fleet–off the coast of Mumbai for security reasons.”
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    Man – rightwinger and reality.
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    “That is not to say that some of the precautions for Obama’s first presidential visit to India aren’t possibly a tad over the top. As the BBC reports, Indian officials have been removing coconuts from any trees that Obama might walk under, to prevent anything from falling on the presidential head. And as London’s Daily Telegraph notes, the country has deployed trained monkey catchers to prevent any “simian invasion” (a measure that Indian officials also took when President Bush visited in 2006).”
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    I don’t know whats more absurd – the coconut catcher or Michelle Bachman.

  • deconstructiva

    apr, 2/3 is trying to hijack the thread. Don’t indulge him.

  • newfreedomblog

    Is Scarborough a contributor or an employee like Olberman?
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    Big difference.
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    Contributor means I am an individual with an individual opinion.
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    Employee means I represent the establishment I work for.
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    Talk about double standards indeed.

  • newfreedomblog

    “Ok aper, here’s your chance to gives us the real facts and figures on B.O’s trip then.”

    .
    If you are expecting a truthful response from dear April2563 you will be sadly disappointed.
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    April is just like another far left liberal extremist I have regular local newspaper “discussions” with, they always cite “news” and “facts” by using far left liberal sites like Huffington Post, TPM, and other assorted highly biased opinion groups.
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    Facts are facts. We are in a deep recession. Both Obama’s have basically used our treasury and tax dollars to fund expensive overseas trips for friends, family and other assorted groupies to have a good time on our dime.
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    As it all begins to add up, people will realize how this President and his jet-setting wife are nothing short of a sham.

  • filmnoia

    charlieromeobr -

    Let me be more specific. In the PRESENT news environment we are in, MSNBC acts as a counterweight. Your idea of an impartial news gathering organization, while noble sounding (and, which in theory, I agree with) is about 20 years out of date. With blogs and cable news-like entertainment, it’s doubtful you will see the type of news progamming you mention ever in our lifetime. You can thank talk radio and Fox for that. Not only are we getting nastier as a country, but dumber too. Nasty, dumb and median age of 65 is the Fox demographic.

  • nflfoghorn

    So, Rusty, Richard Nixon’s foray into China was no less a waste of our tax dollars, right?
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    You hate Obama. YOU HATE OBAMA! You….hate….Obama.
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    That’s your opinion in a nutshell. Now begone!

  • nflfoghorn

    “I don’t know what’s more absurd – the coconut catcher or Michelle Bachmann”
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    The coconut catcher honorably fufills his/her duty.

  • nflfoghorn

    BTW using your logic Condi should’ve pretended to be Mary Richards and Hillary should just stay on the porch and pour you tea.

  • apr2563

    If 2thirds had any desire to be informed he would have read my links. He prefers his own version of reality.
    And Newrusty is Yahoo another of the “libtard”, “lamestream” media that you hate. The reactionary right has so isolated themselves from the truth that they block out any reasonable dialogue.

  • apr2563

    FTW

  • hippooath

    “The reactionary right has so isolated themselves from the truth that they block out any reasonable dialogue.”
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    It’s basically down to fox news, joe the plumbers (@ss)crack reporting blog, Sarah Palin Facebooks and Michelle Bachmans many voices.
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    Sooner or later someone have to wake up and say; this just doesn’t sound right, but I won’t hold my breath.
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    Or as another wingnut wrote in a different forum I read – Obama won’t release the cost and it’s probably because it’s more than 2 billion. Reality isn’t what hits you in the face – it’s what you make out of it.

  • hippooath

    Would India hire a coconut catcher for Michelle Bachman or would they just assume no harm no foul would it ever happen? I don’t wish her harm of course, but should it happen how can anyone tell?

  • diecash1

    I probably shouldn’t either. Sometimes you think you’ve reached the bottom of the barrel and someone comes along and knocks it over………..oh well.

  • earljr1

    So much angst from our progressive friends. I think they are still smarting from Tuesday’s shellacking and now this….Olberman gets canned! …..Just how much heartbreak can these crybabies stand? It makes for amusing reading, though and I expect, newfreedom, the lashing out to continue. This is status quo for spoiled children.

  • shepherdwong

    No, we don’t. At least not in the way MSNBC is trying operate, at the more liberal alternative to Fox.
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    Any organization that approximately told the truth would be a “more liberal alternative to Fox.” Telling the truth about public lies used to be called “journalism.” The fact that so many now see telling the truth about right wing lies as liberal partisanship tells you exactly how corrupted establishment journalism has become.

  • formerlyrainbow68

    Olbermann leaves no doubt what his political leanings are. He’s not the main anchor (Brian Williams). Why can’t he donate money to candidates?

  • bryanfromhouston

    I believe that this is the right decision. TV anchors and pundits should be allowed to say what they want to say, but contributions should be either fully disclosed or prohibited. And if they don’t like it, then they are permitted to do something else. But a deal is deal. Keith needs to honor his contract.

  • James McPherson

    True, Olbermann shouldn’t have done it. But it’s accepted practice at Fox News: http://mediamatters.org/research/201010270005

  • ogliberal

    Shorter Rusty:
    ++++
    “Uppity Negro.”
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    Which reminds me of a great line from Eddie Murphy’s “White Like Eddie” SNL skit:
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    “What a silly Negro!”
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    One of my favorite SNL skits ever.
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    That said, I think Obama and Michelle should ditch their Secret Service detail, forget about bringing aides, and book a flight on ValuJet with Sasha and Malia – coach, of course – and stay at the Red Roof Inn in Bangalore, and eat at the local Bob Evans (no arugula, thank you…just pour on the curry sausage gravy) just to show Real Americans (TM) that they get “IT”. And if the wait at Bob Evans is too long, they can always chow down at the Applebee’s salad bar. (speciality – scrapple masala) When they meet with PM Singh, Obama should wear overalls with no shirt, go shoeless and ask the PM, “Youse called Mistah Sing – is that because you so good at singing? And did you just get out of the shower, Mistah?…that why you have a towel on you head?”
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    That trip would probably only cost about two thousand bucks…but would return a lifetime of memories.

  • http://erieangel.wordpress.com erieangel

    Even the WSJ called the rumors false.
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    The Pentagon and WH have both said that 34 (or whatever number Glen Beck pulled from his hat) warships are not off the coast.
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    Journalists pay their way, at a projected cost of about $20,000 for the ten day trip.
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    What I find hilarious is that the RWers never bothered to bray about the cost when Bush went on State Trips abroad. It’s what presidents do.

  • marvyt

    If that’s the case, then NBC should also be firing Joe Scarborough and Larry Kudlow. Both of them made contributions to Republican candidates. Scarborough even headlined a fundraising event for a Republican candidate. Is this a case of selective enforcement?

  • newfreedomblog

    Taj Hotel has 560 rooms and 44 suites. Figuring $100.00 per hotel room, and $1,000 per suite to get round figure averages that is $100,000 per day. I believe he and the entourage are staying at least 3 days in India. That would then equal $300,000 JUST for the stay in India for rooms only. Add food, security and all the rest we are easily talking $1,000,000 per day or $3,000,000 just for the India excursion.
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    But, let’s not define the trip in just those terms, as other Presidents in recent past have done somewhat equally with the exception of “renting” out an entire hotel.
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    Let’s examine the trip itinerary itself. Exactly what is it that Obama will be doing there.
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    Friday, Nov. 5 — Obama leaves Washington.
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    Saturday, Nov. 6 — Arrives Mumbai, India; “holds meetings with business leaders, others.” (give awards out to all of the out-sourced jobs to Indians who are very difficult to understand when we attempt to call customer service for our Dell products)
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    Sunday, Nov. 7 — “Travels to New Delhi.” (to gawk at a Budda and look at recently stripped coconut trees)
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    Monday, Nov. 8 — “Meetings with Indian government officials in New Delhi.” (To acknowledge all of the jobs out-sourced to India by all of our technology and customer service oriented companies to people who barely speak English)
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    Now, no special arrangements, agreements of State, no special trade deal or concessions. A basic “trip” to India to present a gift of some sort to some obscure Indian at an Indian temple is the highlight of these 4 days. Cost to tax payer, again $4,000,000 dollars.
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    Tuesday, Nov. 9 — Travels to Jakarta, Indonesia.
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    Wednesday, Nov. 10 — Speech in Indonesia; travels to Seoul, South Korea.
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    Indonesia. Again an obscure trip to his once boy-hood home. Nostalgic perhaps for him, but of what value to the American tax payers? A speech to thank the people of Indonesia for provided his education in the Madrassa he attended as a child perhaps?
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    Another $2,000,000 at least for these two days.
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    Thursday, Nov. 11 — In Seoul, speaks to U.S. troops for Veterans Day; Opening ceremonies for Group of 20 economic summit.
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    Friday, Nov. 12 — G20 working sessions, news conference; Departs Seoul for Yokohama, Japan.
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    Saturday, Nov. 13 — Attends meetings for Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation forum in Yokohama, Japan.
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    Sunday, Nov. 14 — Visits Great Buddha statue before departing Japan and returning to Washington.
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    One could argue that 3 out of 4 of these days would potentially be beneficial to the American tax payer. 1/2 day for recognition of our military past and present. 2 1/2 days to rub elbows with the 20 richest countries in the world and accomplish exactly jack squat.
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    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/A-look-at-the-itinerary-for-apf-2049147615.html?x=0&.v=4
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    Total cost – $20,000,000 (yes that is million) at minimum. Probably more realistically close to the $200,000,000 million figure as quoted before. But, for the entire trip.
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    Now I would agree that $200,000,000 / day is way off for such a trip, and those who portrayed such should retract it all. But, again the question is, what value is this trip other than a very expensive sight seeing excursion of about 250 close and personal “CEO’s” and assorted government employees?
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    Let’s just note all of this, and then decide in 2012, “was it all worth it?”
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    Now doesn’t this sound better April2563?

  • hippooath

    “So much angst from our progressive friends. I think they are still smarting from Tuesday’s shellacking and now this….Olberman gets canned! …..Just how much heartbreak can these crybabies stand? It makes for amusing reading, though and I expect, newfreedom, the lashing out to continue. This is status quo for spoiled children.”
    .
    Reality smacks you in the face and you go on pretending we’re the ones with angst? Michelle Bachman went on TV pulling a a complete farce out of her rectum and we’re the one smarting?
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    Please show me on the doll where you hit yourself?

  • hippooath

    So much ‘figuring’ out to basically agree that you and Michelle is wrong. Are you writing her a letter to turn it down a noch?

  • charlieromeobravo

    What we need from our news organizations is not about liberal or conservative, left or right. We need credibility, thoroughness and trustworthiness. those are qualities that would provide a counterweight to any biased media outlet.

  • maurice2u

    It may be what we “need”, but it is demonstrably not what we “want”. The (media & entertainment)businesses that choose to call their products news are providing the masses with what they ask for. If people were not watching, they would not be showing it, plain and simple.
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    Glenn Beck >> CSPAN in the United States of America. We value being entertained over being informed. This is coincidentally exacly why the NFL is the powerhouse it is and teachers (and education in general) is barely in the top 10 of the average American’s day to day conversation. Yet I bet 9/10 people on here know what happened with the Patriots/Vikings/Cowboys last week.
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    People get the government (society) they deserve. Primarily because people “are” the government, the media, wall street, republicans, democrats, elites, and any other group of “other” one wishes to toss out. There wasn’t any alien invasion that implanted a group of robots that make up all those entities that are “ruining our country (world)”. It is just us screwing it up. There is nobody else to blame no matter how many labels we might want to utilize to help us shed responsibility.

  • sasquatch08

    “What we need from our news organizations is not about liberal or conservative, left or right. We need credibility, thoroughness and trustworthiness.”
    .
    You mean like Fox? You can yell and scream all you want about Fox, but they’re whooping MSNBC and CNN in the ratings as well as NBC, CBS etc. In some cases you can add the ratings of everyone else together and STILL not beat Fox.
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    I’d say America has spoken in the ratings and if it was a “straight up or down vote” the way the President wants it there wouldn’t be any news organization on TV except Fox.
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    And about that double standard? Where were all you people to defend Juan Williams? Oh, wait he was a “fake liberal” not worthy of defending. Only the “real liberals” that make vile personal attacks on non-liberals are worth defending. Sorry, I forgot.
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    Reality sucks huh?

  • sasquatch08

    “But it’s accepted practice at Fox News…”
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    Maybe, personally I think if you trust anything from Mediamatters you’re at LEAST half braindead, but does it matter?
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    No.
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    Does FOX have anything in their contracts that says you can’t do what Olberman did? Apparently not, therefore no problem.
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    Olberman was suspended for breaking his contract, not the law. Therefore your anti-Fox comment is not relevant.

  • sasquatch08

    And Bush II, Clinton and Bush I all spent between $2 million and $5 million a day on visits to places like India or Africa.
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    There’s no real story in how much it costs to send Obama to India, other that “It’s really expensive for the President of the United States to Travel ANYWHERE”.

  • kathy

    Glad that NBC has standards and is sticking to them – except that if the purpose is to maintain a stance of neutrality, MSNBC has endorsed Olbermann as a commentator with a point of view, not an objective journalist. So the suspension doesn’t pass the smell test, and it’s not clear to me that KO violated the policy – though clearly he should have checked.

    That said, KO has become more vituperative and over the top in the last few months – which he perhaps acknowledged by pulling back from Worst Persons after Stewart’s show. I find I don’t watch him lately, and I’ve been a faithful viewer since at least 2004 (when I was a Neilsen family, and KO was not well known. I like to think I set him on his way).

  • charlieromeobravo

    It’s not 20 years out of date. It *is* NPR. It was Bill Moyers until he retired recently. You can still see examples of good journalism in the WaPo, NYTimes, and other news papers occasionally though not consistently. NPR is the only news organization that I can think of at the moment that is consistently solid and trustworthy. That’s probably why the right would love to kill it.

  • charlieromeobravo

    “In the PRESENT news environment we are in, MSNBC acts as a counterweight.”
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    and I still disagree with this. One right slanted BS network and one left slanted BS network do not create the truth on average, nor do they zero each other out. They each just add more noise for us to sort through. Neither of them generally provide us any useful information.

  • michaelfury
  • hippooath

    ratings don’t equal accuracy. I don’t know where you got that from.

  • maverick2k9

    Rustydog, you lie !!
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    http://profit.ndtv.com/news/show/obama-arrives-gets-over-50-000-jobs-118443
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    With unemployment hovering at 9.6 per cent, creation of more jobs for Americans tops Obama’s agenda in India.

    20 deals have been signed between the US and India worth $10 billion and these are expected to create over 50,000 jobs in the US. The deals range from gas and steam turbine engines to oil and gas equipments.

    Aviation giant Boeing has got an order for thirty three 737s from Indian carrier Spice Jet. The deal is pegged at $2.7 billion and is likely to add 12,000 US jobs. The company has also reached preliminary agreement on the sale of C-17 engines. That transaction is valued at more than $4 billion and is likely to support 22,000 jobs.

    Global engineering firm, General Electric is likely to get the contract for 100 engines to power India’s indigenous Light Combat Aircraft (LCA). The $800 million deal will lead to 44, 000 jobs in the US.

  • gysgt213

    This is a pretty strange standard MSNBC has and does not make too much sense. You can give as long as you ask permission. Okay, is there ever a time when premission is not granted? If so, would they not be deciding for an employee who they can and cannot contribute too? If not, are they not co-endorsing any and every candidate? If its automatic what is the point?

  • abdullah69

    Trip to India three million dollars. Trip to Indonesia two million dollars. Seeing newfreedomblog make a complete ass of himself again. Priceless.
    The Republican Party. It says more about you than simply drooling out the side of your mouth ever can.

  • sasquatch08

    @hippo:
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    You’re right they don’t… but it’s all about perception. And the perception of the VAST majority of American’s is that MSNBC and CNN lie for a living, as do liberal politicians and conservative politicians.
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    Personally watching both CNN and FOX I see FOX regularly attack conservative politicians for their policies… in the the last ten years I’ve rarely seen CNN do that to liberals, even when what they say is obviously INSANE.
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    Either way, just like politicians, it’s all about perspective, and the perspective appears to be that FOX is telling the truth, while MSNBC and CNN lie.
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    Sorry man. You can’t fight reality. And reality is MOST people just Fox, sad as that is.

  • kathy

    Well you see this is the problem. It’s not the job of a NEWS organization to “attack” politicians for their policies. So CNN does not to that, and FOX, having a point of view, attacks politicians of all stripes who don’t toe their line.

  • kathy

    Rachel Maddow’s comment on this (via Sullivan):

    “There are multiple people being paid by Fox News to essentially run for office as Republican candidates. If you count not just their hosts but their contributors, you’re looking at a significant portion of the entire Republican lineup of potential contenders for 2012. They can do that because there’s no rule against that at Fox. Their network is run as a political operation. Ours isn’t. Yeah, Keith’s a liberal, and so am I. But we’re not a political operation — Fox is. We’re a news operation. The rules around here are part of how you know that,”

  • apr2563

    I agree gunny. Either you allow or do not allow political contributions.
    So, if Olbermann had asked for permission it would have been ok for his boss to make the political determination?
    How is that being objective?

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