In the Arena

Heckova Job?

I just can’t get over this. As Brother Scherer says below, the President had, well, a sort of, hmm, well, it wasn’t exactly clear sailing on the Daily Show last night. And the “Heckova job, Larry” line is haunting–in large part because of the symmetry: The Bush presidency was deemed a failure because of its disastrous prosecution of the war in Iraq and, on a more accessible level, its disastrous handling of Hurricane Katrina.

The Obama presidency is nowhere near the dire state of George W.’s was at his “heckofa” moment, but if there is a coherent narrative about the President’s economic performance among the public right now, it’s that his antennae were more fixed on Wall Street than they were toward Main Street. He was focused on bailouts and health care, but not on jobs. And Larry Summers–the guy who presided over the deregulation of the banks as Clinton’s Treasury Secretary (and the tail end of the banks’ bailout this time around)–would seem the poster child for the financial depredations that crushed the value of most American homes and caused the market despondency that now prevails.

No doubt, Summers’ expertise was necessary to get the country through the terrible winter of 2009. No doubt, the economy would have collapsed if the banks had not been bailed out (though I’m pretty sure that Goldman, Sachs didn’t need to be made whole in the more questionable AIG bailout). No doubt, Summer and Timothy Geithner did yeoman service during that time. But the source of Summers’ and Geithner’s expertise was a ruinously immoral financial system they help to create and nurture, even though they didn’t profit from it as obscenely as, say, Bob Rubin did. So Obama’s placing the heckova collar on Summers has deep resonance.

And, fairly or not, the President’s association with such people is a political burden that he will have to mitigate if he wants to regain the public’s trust on the economy once more.

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  • http://shortplaysaboutrealpeople.wordpress.com Michael Maiello

    You say there’s no doubt that we needed Summers and Geithner at that time. I have to wonder why. Other people were available. Krugman, Stiglitz and Baker could have done the job as well. Which brings me to my second point…

    Thanks for acknowledging that AIG’s counterparties didn’t deserve 100% do-overs on their investments but that doesn’t go far enough. Of the three economists I mentioned, 1 doesn’t believe that the bank bailouts were necessary to prevent a Depression and the other two would have, at the very least, demanded more taxpayer control in exchange for such massive support. So the banks either didn’t have to be bailed out or didn’t have to be bailed out in that way.

    Did they do yeoman’s work? I think the jury’s still out. A lot of people outside of the financial and auto industries suffered because they didn’t receive any love from the government while those two industries did. Deciding to help some and not others was part of their work and they should be held accountable to those that were left behind.

  • apr2563

    Nice to see you signing onto the Villagers cw regarding last nights Daily Show interview. It will be interesting to listen to Stewart tonight to see if he agrees with your analyses.

  • Ivy_B

    From the Adam Serwer blogpost I linked in Brother Scherer’s post.

    To the extent he irritates journalists, it’s both because the criticisms Stewart makes ring true, but also because some consumers of media can’t actually tell the difference between reporting and aggregation. That’s all well and good, but holding him to a standard he isn’t actually trying to meet so he can be seen as falling short isn’t very honest. It’s actually sort of passive aggressive — the ultimate point is to remind the audience that Stewart is not a journalist by pretending he is or is trying to be.

    The sad fact is that the reason people make that mistake is the same reason Stewart is popular — his interview with Obama was more adversarial and critical than just about any exchange you would have seen between someone at Fox News and a member of the Bush administration, even towards the end, when Bush’s popularity had hit rock bottom. Even so, the president’s appearance was meant for his base — those disillusioned liberals who flocked to Stewart during the Bush years for confirmation that they were not alone in believing something was very wrong in America.

    That base finds itself, after the euphoria of victory in 2008, wondering what went wrong. Stewart, at the expense of discussing issues like the war in Afghanistan, the ongoing existence of Gitmo or the expanding national security state, was focused on this question, with the president making his case for why their present disillusionment is misplaced.

    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/10/obama_was_right_to_go_on_the_d.html

    So much easier to riff on a something the media has made a gotcha line than to evaluate substance.

  • http://forgottenlord.livejournal.com forgottenlord

    It really depends on whether it was big enough to be played on, say, CNN. Obama did a reasonable job of stipulating what he meant by that and made arguments that should mitigate any potential damage from the viewers watching at the time. Fox won’t play it because I doubt it resonates with their audience as well as it would resonate with independents or liberals. The interview was mostly direct and well mannered so there’s very little for them to spend a lot of time on….so yeah. It was a stupid line and you could tell Obama realized the mistake almost as soon as he said it, but it might not be fatal in the way Katrina is fatal.
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    Plus, it’s got a considerably different context for someone who’s departing the job than it does for someone doing the job. In the former, it’s a eulogy for his work thus far. In the latter, it’s a statement of his competence and thus you tie your fate to his competence.

  • square1

    Mr. Klein may be unaware that Bob Rubin’s “obscene” profits came after he left Treasury. No doubt Summers and Geithner will be in line for similar kickbacks just rewards when they head through the revolving door to Wall Street.

    No doubt, Summer and Timothy Geithner did yeoman service during that time.

    Look, NOBODY benefits if the entire economic system implodes. So I don’t think it is necessary to cheer Summers and Geithner for participating in self-preservation.

    The reality is that a very strong argument can be made that Summers and particularly Geithner, along with Bernanke and Paulson are guilty of criminal securities fraud. From Paulson pushing the BofA/Merrill deal and deliberately keeping BofA shareholders (and other market participants) in the dark about the true state of the MBS market, to the NY Fed signing off on the AIG bailout, to the Fed buying up the banks’ troubled assets at face value, we are talking about criminal fraud.

    As the current mortgage scandal continues to play out, important questions to ask are when did the key players know that, as bad as the banks were doing, there was a good chance that rampant fraud in transfers and assignments in the mortgage industry would push down bank values even more? And was the HAMP program little more than a smokescreen to buy insiders’ time to exit the market before it collapsed?

  • liberalmeltdown

    What Larry Summers has done to our economy is criminal. He should be forever remembered as the architect of the whole banking, housing and securities meltdown. Summers and Rubin are guilty of engineering the biggest financial disaster of modern times. And, it started with the Clinton administration.

  • square1

    Shorter liberalmeltdown: Democrats in the Clinton and Obama administrations were entirely to blame for joining with GOP deregulation zealots like Republican (and former Swampland contributor) Dick Armey to deregulate Wall Street. Once deregulated, unfettered fraud combined with amoral profit-seeking created a massive debt-fueled mortgaged-backed economic bubble that popped and threatened to destroy the entire economy.
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    Fortunately, rank-and-file Republicans, funded by Dick Armey, have rebranded themselves as teabaggers and are now joining forces to undo the horrors of the Democratic administrations…by demanding further deregulation and zero criminal accountability.
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    Okay, that wasn’t shorter. But it was a pretty accurate summation of his tortured logic.

  • kevin

    He should be forever remembered as the architect of the whole banking, housing and securities meltdown.
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    Only by people suffering from some sort of brain trauma.
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    You, for instance.

  • maverick2k9

    Well, Only yesterday, Brother Scherer had one two blog posts on Obama’s Big Mistake
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    Nowhere were Messers Larry Summers or Geithner mentioned in the blog posts. (Let me blow my vuvuzela – I mentioned both of them in the comments :P )
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    It is only today that Brother Scherer’s narrative is catching up with the reality.

    IMHO, Washington pundits need leave their desks and go out for a walk sometimes.

  • constantweader

    Every one of you professional pundits completely missed Obama’s point.

    After Stewart said, “You don’t want to use that phrase, dude,” the President said, “Pun intended.” OBAMA IS DISTANCING HIMSELF FROM SUMMERS & he used the “heckuva job” meme to do so. See, “heckuva job” has come to mean “incompetent” or “shoulda been fired sooner.”

    I guess somebody should tell Obama that pundits don’t get wry humor even when delivered on a Fake News show.

    The Constant Weader at http://www.RealityChex.com

    P.S. I am still waiting for him to get rid of Geithner.

  • anon76

    Any guess on when Klein hopped on the anti-Summer/Geithner bus? Anybody have time to look up Klein’s response to the announcement of his economic team? My guess: Klein wrote a beautiful ode to the virtues of economic centrism.

  • liberalmeltdown

    The usual liberal response is blame Bush. But Bush really had nothing to do with the setting up of the financial system structure that led to financial disaster. Yes, republicans and democrats worked together to create this mess. And you were fooled big time by Mr hopey changey.
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    And if Obama is now trying to distance himself from Summers “heckofa job Larry,” it’s way too late. Obama knew who Larry Summers was and what he did, but still put him on his economic team along with Turbo Tax Timmy. These people all need to go, including Obama. McCain would have been just as bad, if not worse. I want all the crooks out, and I don’t care if they have a D or an R after their name.

    http://www.infowars.com/who-are-the-architects-of-economic-collapse/

    What happened in October 1999 is crucial.

    In the wake of lengthy negotiations behind closed doors, in the Wall Street boardrooms, in which Larry Summers played a central role, the regulatory restraints on Wall Street’s powerful banking conglomerates were revoked “with a stroke of the pen”.

    Larry Summers worked closely with Senator Phil Gramm (1985-2002),chairman of the Senate Banking committee, who was the legislative architect of the the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Financial Services Modernization Act, signed into law on November 12, 1999 (See Group Photo above). (For Complete text click US Congress: Pub.L. 106-102). As Texas Senator, Phil Gramm was closely associated with Enron.

    In December 2000 at the very end of the Clinton mandate, Gramm introduced a second piece of legislation, the so-called Gramm-Lugar Commodity Futures Modernization Act, which paved the way for the speculative onslaught in primary commodities including oil and food staples.

    “The act, he declared, would ensure that neither the sec nor the Commodity Futures Trading Commission (cftc) got into the business of regulating newfangled financial products called swaps—and would thus “protect financial institutions from overregulation” and “position our financial services industries to be world leaders into the new century.” (See David Corn, Foreclosure Phil, Mother Jones, July August 2008)

    Phil Gramm was McCain’s first choice for Secretary of the Treasury.

    Under the FSMA new rules – ratified by the US Senate in October 1999 and approved by President Clinton – commercial banks, brokerage firms, hedge funds, institutional investors, pension funds and insurance companies could freely invest in each others businesses as well as fully integrate their financial operations.

    A “global financial supermarket” had been created, setting the stage for a massive concentration of financial power. One of the key figures behind this project was Secretary of the Treasury Larry Summers, in liaison with David Rockefeller. Summers described the FSMA as “the legislative foundation of the financial system of the 21th century”. That legislative foundation is among the main causes of the 2008 financial meltdown.

  • rdw56

    I’ve seen a dozen reports on this and no one is reporting he said pun intended. And heckuva job still means what it always did. It’s amazing how many liberals posting here understand the financial collapse was designed under the team of Clinton yet still blame Bush. For all of your constant beating on him he’s been very classy in his ex-Presidency and his polls are moving above Obama’s.

  • Paul-no not that one

    We DVR TDS and Colbert and just watched it now.
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    BHO winked for goodness sake. And then said “Pun intended”
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    Anyone trusting the media on any topic they can view/read first hand is not very bright.

  • rdw56

    Larry Summers warned Obama and Congress any stimulus had to meet the 3 T’s – Be timely, targeted and Temporary and it hit on none of them. Well the tea party will take care of temporary. Obama let Harry and Nancy construct a xmas tree of gifts to unions and other contributers and it did nothing for the economy. The ideological cost will be daunting. Americans by a wide margin don’t want another dime of stimulus and see tax cuts as the way to add stimulus to an economy. This will be a generational impact. Think of it. Reagans tax cuts set off a nearly 3 decade economic and investment boom. To have been 20 in 1970 is to be 60 now. You lived thru the high tax, high inflation low stock return 70s and this boom. To have been 20 in 1980 is to have seen the early recession and then only boom. So if you are now under 60 everything you’ve seen in life says high taxes and big govt don’t work. Obama tried to get out of a recession using stimulus and extended the jobs recession. He’s got spending so high to keep we’d need massive tax increases. No one under 60 can conceive of the rates he’d need. And he’s such a rotten salemen he’ll never change their minds

  • rdw56

    I am not doubting you. I haven’t seen the clip. I’m just saying that’s not how it’s getting reported. Dana Milibank wrote a pretty sarcastic piece on the interview. Obama is not coming off well.

    To be honest, your version would be worse. Because it’s classless. Regardless of your view of Summers, he was hired by Obama and by all measures was a serious and sober fellow giving his best advice and efforts. You don’t kick a man in the teeth after he leaves by publically humiliating him on a comedy show.

  • Paul-no not that one

    A) Couldn’t care less what Dana Milbank thinks about anything.
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    2) It’s not my version, it’s what happened
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    III) BHO praised Summers work, which when you take the time to watch you will see. Kind of my point of not trusting the media (or me) to tell you what happened when you can find out for yourself.

  • rdw56

    Paul, as I said I am not doubting you. I don’t care about Dana either but the Wash Post is authorative, at least on the left and they focused on the fact he called Obama ‘dude’ as if he was serious. When the MSM intentionally misreports a story on a Liberal President the love affair is so over.

    You are very inconsistent here. The 1st point was that he was using ‘heckava job’ as an insult and then went on to praise. Which one is it?

    Doesn’t matter. The news cycle has moved on and this story was a negative for Barak Obama. It didn’t help Stewart either.

  • Paul-no not that one

    “(T)he Wash Post is authorative, at least on the left”
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    That holds as much water as the old “Even the liberal New Republic”
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    “You are very inconsistent here. The 1st point was that he was using ‘heckava job’ as an insult and then went on to praise. Which one is it?”
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    Where did I say he used it as an insult?
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    “Doesn’t matter.”
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    Agreed.
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    I will say that the interview was more sober and in depth than 99% of what one sees on (for example) the Sunday morning shows I’m not shocked on what the Beltway focusses on.
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    Stewart’s mugging drives me crazy but when he is serious he is dang good.

  • kevin

    The usual liberal response is blame Bush.
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    If by “liberal” you mean “sane,” then sure.
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    I’m not sure why conservatives cry so much when people point out that Bush f*cked everything up. Because guess what? He f*cked everything up.
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    When Obama said he didn’t want to litigate the past by exploring the very real criminal charges in issues like illegal warrantless wiretapping, the firing of the U.S. Attorneys who wouldn’t do Rove’s bidding, Cheney’s secret energy meetings, and all the rest, that just meant he wasn’t going to sic the DOJ on Republican criminals.
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    It didn’t mean the whole country was ordered to forget what a group of colossal f*ckups they were.

  • kevin

    “(T)he Wash Post is authorative, at least on the left”
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    I nearly did a spit-take on that one.
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    And yeah, as a liberal, let me second the idea that Dana Milbank is worthless.

  • liberalmeltdown

    Kevin, you are a sterling example of liberalism.

  • liberalmeltdown

    Having watched the video, Obama was corrected by Stewart: “you don’t want to use that term, dude.” Obama
    WAS praising Larry Summers, and continued to praise Summers after his “heck of a job Larry” blunder. History repeats.
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    Heck of a job Larry. You should be in chains. You have destroyed the greatest economy of the western world. Heck of a job.
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    Neither one of these fools should be anywhere near managing our economy. One is a crook and the other is a clown.

  • 53_3

    liberalmeltdown:
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    Um. I have a teensy task for you:
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    Recall for us the events of August, September, and October of 2008.
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    Don’t cheat now…

  • 53_3

    Joe:
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    I think that it is the media that deserves the comment.
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    At the very least, and most deserving, the journalistic sectors…

  • rdw56

    Kevin ,

    Jonah Goldberg and others are reporting Obama tried to act as if it wasn’t a slip BUT only because he immediately realized it was a gaffe and could not let the idea he was less than perfect become known. The man has a gargantuan ego. In any event he came off really bad. Even those defending him for the ‘Dude’ thing have two other lines of attack. Your guy has had the easiest road to the Presidency of any man ever and for the 1st time in his life is being challenged. He’s been surrounded by white liberals like Joe Klein his entire life blowing smoke up you know where. He’s never dealt with criticism. He is vain, arrogant, thin skinned, prickly and angry. I can imagine how he deals with the worst mid-term rebuke since 1938.

  • rdw56

    Dana is worthless but so is Joe Klein. These guys came of age when the MSM was dominant and there weren’t any search engines. When these guys are fact checked or compared with previous reporting they often come off as buffoons. Joe thinks he was the best reporter on Iraq. He was wrong on everything. He was a bitter critic of the surge and attacked it at every opportunity. If it wasn’t for the blogs and embeds like Michael Yon and Michael Totten we would not have known how well it did work, how brilliant the planning and how brave the soldiers. Because these people are so biased and ideological they’d rather report in Abu Grahib than the 1,000 acts of valor. Abu Grahib was about 8 national guardsmen. They used it to smear the entire military. They are elitists and it drives them batty the military is by far the most respected institution in America while the MSM is in the toilet. We are supposed to know they are out betters. Look at his prior post on Rove. Joe is driven by hatred. Rove is a dime a dozen political strategist and they’re all the same. They use the same tricks. Joe is a far left ideologue and his reporting is dedicted to supporting those causes. That’s why Newsweek sold for $1 and the MSM is collapsing. I don’t watch and of the cable shows but Joe is no different than Olbermann or Oreilly except more sedate. His attacks on Rove for stunningly mean-spirited for someone trying to sell himself as objective and unbiased. The folks at Fox are having such a good time poking their finger in the liberal eye because as Krauthammer pointed out, “Ailes discovered a niche market, a majority of the American people”.

  • rdw56

    “if he wants to regain the public’s trust on the economy once more.”

    When did Obama have the public trust on the economy? He came into office without a shred of private sector experience. He’s never so much as run a cool-aid stand. He had no executive or administrative experience his entire life. The buffoons who said the campaign itself was adequate experience were being buffoonish. That was always preposterous. He is in fact NEVER had the public trust and never will have it. His idea of tax and spend will be rebuked in the clearest terms next Tuesday such that he won’t be able to get his own party to support tax and spending increases. What happens next won’t be anything like he’s tried before.

  • pelhamite1

    Coming in late, but there is so much here that is so wrong:

    1) “His antennae were fixed more on Wall Street than on Main Street”

    The

  • pelhamite1

    Let’s try this again:

    1) “his antennae were fixed more on Wall street than on Main Street”

    The Wall Street action was the TARP program, the Main street action was the stimulus. The reason one “worked” and the other was percieved not to, was that the Republicans fought to kill it.. They, along with (to be fair) the more moderate Democrats ensured the first package wans’t bigger and also ensured that the much needed follow up never got off the ground. As a result, the first stimulus saved more jobs than it created, which does not seem to count with the short sighted media and those who use the highly arbitrary unemployment rate as the only way to score.

    What was the assistance of the auto industry, if not the most massive aid to “Main Street” in the history of the post-war period? Thanks to the Republican determination to pull Obama down by making the economy as ruinous as possible, aid to “Main Street” in the form of demand enhancing measures is virtually blocked.

    Jamie Dimon, head of JP Morgan Chase has said several times over the past few months that his bank at least, is quite willing to lend, but that borrowers are relatively few. And we see from other indicators that what borrowing that is going on is largley companies “re-financing” (i.e. getting out of the crippling debt load they were carrying) rather building new plants and hiring more workers. That is all inidicative of the point that the good ol’ U s of A was, in fact, in a far deeper hole than anyone realized and the journey out of that hole was always likely to be longer, slower and more incremental than governement officials and the lazy journalists were willing to admit.

    2) If you watched the Daily Show what you noticed was the audience was completely behind the President, and did not seem all that horrified at the “gotcha” moment of Obama using the word “heckuva”. And, really, isn’t focusing on Obama’s use of that word precisely the kind of idiotic, puerile journalism that Joe is ususally bemoaning?? Is going to change the vote of a single person out there confronted with a choice of, say, Russ Feigold vs. whats-his-name?? It seems to me that the lessons Joe learned out on the hustings (namely that people do not care about the gotcha stuff, like, at all) have worn off and he is once again in the safe cocoon of the Beltway bubble.

  • rdw56

    Of course they were behind the President. Guess what? So is Bill Maher’s audience behind the President. And those college campus visits? dem too!!! Why do you think he goes there?

    The problem with the stimulus wasn’t it’s size but how it was spent. It did N O T H I N G. Some of it still isn’t spent. Summers is taking a lot of heat but he warned it had to be targeted, timely and temporary. Targeted not to Harry and Nancy’s and Obama’s union pals but to productive business operations. You voted for a President without a shred of real world business experience and virtually no executive or administrative experience. They did a thoroughly rotten job designing the stimulus and it’s a total loss for the keynsians. Americans by large margins prefer tax cuts over govt spending and that is remarkable when 40% of Americans don’t pay taxes.

    You made a critical mistake in electing an extremely smooth talking but totally inexperienced incompetent. It’s also nice you are getting a clue the MSM is also incompetent. They’ve been smearing Republicans for 100 years and you were OK with that. It’s how Joe got his perch. GWB pursued a difficult war in Iraq for 5 years with these guys working overtime to smear him and the troops and you were fine with that. Joe was especially egregious. But so much so the competition was able to expose hm as a clown. He hated the surge, predicted it’s failure and still refuses to report it’s success. To bad for him. We found out it was one of the most successful military operations in US History and 70% of Americans think the soldiers, not Joe, Not the Press, are God gift to creation and the reason America is so exceptional.

  • rdw56

    pel,

    The GOP wasn’t trying to bring Obama down. What you witnessed was an ideological battle between left and right, between big govt and small govr, between supply-side and Keynes and your side lost. Weep my friend because it’s a total rebuke and it is generational. Even the Europeans have finally figured it out. Remember your guy going to Europe and telling them they needed to spend more? Remember Merkel telling him to cram it? Remember the decision? Obama is so friggin inept he could not get the socialist in Europe to spend more. How cool is that? We are not going to get more stimulus nor tax increases. The GOP probably won’t get the Senate but every Senator up for reelection in 2012 is looking at a wave election that will still be there in 2012. Ben Nelson will NOT be supporting more pork.

    BTW: keep an eye on McCain. He is setup beautifully. At the economic summit Obama publicly humiliated him essentially telling him to shut up. John’s ego is almost as large as Obama’s. McCain is going to make him pay.

  • liberalmeltdown

    A violent bank robber enters the largest bank in town, takes over smashing the windows and all the cash drawers but one while emptying them. He then blows the vault and ransacks the safe deposit boxes. Having made a deal with the security company, the police, and the Bank CEO nobody stops him…before leaving he plants c-4 explosive in crucial areas known only to him.
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    The next day he changes into a suit and is hired to “fix” the bank since he is the only one that knows where the bombs are and has changed the combination on the vault, so he is the “only one qualified.” He puts plywood in the windows, and gets two teller windows open out of the 15 that used to operate. He then borrows money from all the other banks in town using the same assets as collateral leveraging the bank beyond what it can repay.
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    After two years he quits. C-4 is still in place and he retains the keys and the combination to the vault. For his service the bank CEO says to the crook: “heck of a job Larry.”

  • liberalmeltdown

    Why? Do you have Alzheimer’s?

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