Morning Must Reads: Closing Arguments

President  Obama speaks at a rally at the University of Southern California in Los Angeles October 22, 2010. (REUTERS/Kevin Lamarque)

The early vote is showing that highly touted Republican enthusiasm. Democrats are happy with what they’re seeing in Iowa, Ohio and Indiana; incidentally, those are all places Democrats are poised to lose statewide races.

–Whitman and Fiorina slip in the polls. A big problem for the former: “Among Latino voters, Brown led Whitman by 36 percentage points, 59 to 23.” That’s about 15 points shy of where she hoped to be at this point. What she has resorted to:

“I know many of you see this election as an unhappy choice between a longtime politician with no plan for the future and a billionaire with no government experience.”

–Harry Reid converges his two narratives, 1) Angle is “extreme” and 2) “no one can do more” than the majority leader, in a closing spot chocked full of testimonials:

–Bill Clinton is “ticked off.” Josh Marshall remembers ’94 and doubts his midas touch.

–Part of Obama’s closing message is warning about Dodd-Frank’s repeal.

–Jilted Rhode Island’s Democratic gubernatorial candidate Frank Caprio tells the president where he can put the endorsement he’s not getting.

–George Will profiles Tim Pawlenty.

–John Heilemann imagines a Palin run.

–Michael Steele self diagnoses.

–Jesse Walker puts that whole defunding public broadcasting thing to rest.

–Andrew Exum doesn’t make much of the Taliban talks.

–And inflation can be very uncomfortable.

What did I miss?

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Related Topics: 2012 Election, Barack Obama, Democratic Party, Economy, Harry Reid, Miscellany, Republican Party, State Governments, White House
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    Obama’s Persuasive Powers on Gay Marriage Manifest in Maryland

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    Cherokee Zero

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  • grape_crush

    What did I miss?

    “…incidentally, those are all places Democrats are poised to lose statewide races”

    (really?)

    “I was looking at the latest poll in the Ohio governor’s race. I wasn’t surprised that the race appears to be tied. Despite media’s best efforts to call it for Kasich, Strickland has been saying for weeks that it’s close.

    I was surprised at the income distribution of people who plan to vote for Strickland. They’re middle class. The median household income in Ohio is about $48,000…Sherrod Brown defines “a middle class household” in Ohio at $43,000.

    In the $40,000 to 59,999 income level, Strickland beats Kasich by 16 points. In fact, Strickland beats Kasich by double digits at each and every income level until we get to the highest income level, which in this poll is ‘$60,000 and over’, and that’s where we finally see John Kasich pull ahead.”

  • m0mentom0ri

    Thanks, media!
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    Eight False Things The Public “Knows” Prior To Election Day
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    Summary:
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    1) President Obama tripled the deficit.
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    2) President Obama raised taxes, which hurt the economy.
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    3) President Obama bailed out the banks.
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    4) The stimulus didn’t work
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    5) Businesses will hire if they get tax cuts.
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    6) Health care reform costs $1 trillion.
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    7) Social Security is a Ponzi scheme, is “going broke,” people live longer, fewer workers per retiree, etc.
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    8) Government spending takes money out of the economy.
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    Read the whole thing.
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    http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2010104222/false-things-public-knows-they-go-vote

  • grape_crush

    James Fallows on “Why NPR Matters”.

    “To hear the Fox/DeMint attack machine over the past week, NPR is simply a liberal counterpart to Fox — a politically minded and opinion-driven organization that is only secondarily interested in gathering news. I believe that the mischaracterization is deliberate, and I know it is destructive and wrong.[...]

    NPR, whatever its failings, is one of the few current inheritors of the tradition of the ambitious, first-rate news organization. When people talk about the ‘decline of the press,’ in practice they mean that fewer and fewer newspapers, news magazine, and broadcast networks can afford to try to gather information. The LA Times, the Washington Post, CBS News — they once had people stationed all around the world. Now they work mainly from headquarters — last year the Post closed all its domestic bureaus outside Washington — and let’s not even think about poor Newsweek and US News.[...]

    In their current anti-NPR initiative, Fox and the Republicans would like to suggest that the main way NPR differs from Fox is that most NPR employees vote Democratic. That is a difference, but the real difference is what they are trying to do. NPR shows are built around gathering and analyzing the news, rather than using it as a springboard for opinions. And while of course the selection of stories and analysts is subjective and can show a bias, in a serious news organization the bias is something to be worked against rather than embraced. NPR, like the New York Times, has an ombudsman. Does Fox? [I think the answer is No.]“

  • grape_crush

    Who really supports the troops (and who’s just giving lip service).

    “The IAVA Action Fund Report Card is the result of a two year process. Beginning with an annual survey of our members every December, the legislative agenda is formulated directly from those issues they deem is a priority. IAVA then delivers these priorities during the annual Storm the Hill event in February when IAVA member vets meet face-to-face with lawmakers. IAVA and IAVA Action continue to advocate for key legislation, which address our legislative priorities, throughout the year through direct outreach to members of Congress, Congressional testimony, and media appearances.

    Finally, when a Congressional session concludes, we produce the Report Card based on key veterans’ legislation that came to a vote during that session, grading every Senator and Representative on their level of support for Iraq and Afghanistan veterans.”

  • grape_crush

    “A movement without a compass”.

    “The results come from a months-long effort by The Post to contact every tea party group in the nation, an unprecedented attempt to understand the network of individuals and organizations at the heart of the nascent movement.

    Seventy percent of the grass-roots groups said they have not participated in any political campaigning this year. As a whole, they have no official candidate slates, have not rallied behind any particular national leader, have little money on hand, and remain ambivalent about their goals and the political process in general.[...]

    The local groups stand in contrast to – and, in their minds, apart from – a handful of large national groups that claim the tea party label. Most of those outfits, including FreedomWorks and Tea Party Express, are headed by longtime political players who have used their resources and know-how to help elect a number of candidates.

    The findings suggest that the breadth of the tea party may be inflated. The Atlanta-based Tea Party Patriots, for example, says it has a listing of more than 2,300 local groups, but The Post was unable to identify anywhere near that many, despite help from the organization and independent research.

    In all, The Post identified more than 1,400 possible groups and was able to verify and reach 647 of them. Each answered a lengthy questionnaire about their beliefs, members and goals. The Post tried calling the others as many as six times. It is unclear whether they are just hard to reach or don’t exist.”

  • grape_crush

    That explains the uptick in BofA’s PR activity.

    “Mainly, they are saying that Bank of America was servicing loans in these bonds that the bank knew violated the underwriting standards that the investors had been led to believe the bank was conforming to. What’s more, they said, the bank had never come clean about all the bad loans, as it was required to do. Therefore, say the investors, the bank has a contractual obligation to buy back the bad loans.

    During the conference call, Mr. Moynihan and Mr. Noski made it clear that Bank of America was going to use hand-to-hand combat to fight back these claims. ‘We’re protecting the shareholders’ money,’ Mr. Moynihan said. Mr. Noski questioned whether the investors even had the right to bring the case. “We continue to review and assess the letter and have a number of questions about its content including whether these investors actually have standing to bring these claims,” he said.

    So there you have it. Having convinced millions of Americans to buy homes they couldn’t afford, Bank of America is now revving up its foreclosure efforts on these same homeowners. At the same time, having sold tens of thousands of these same terrible loans to investors, it is going to spend tens of millions of dollars on lawyers to keep from having to buy back their junky loans.”

  • grape_crush

    Running on the pro-salmonella platform.

    “The voter asked if [GOP House candidate Jesse] Kelly, if elected, would he help pass a law that would allow the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and other government agencies to shut down companies that have too many safety violations, such as the companies that allowed millions of eggs that sickened people to be sold to the public. Kelly responded that he doesn’t ‘believe what we’re lacking right now is more regulations on companies,’ complaining that ‘you could probably spit on the grass and get arrested by the federal government by now.’

    When the voter followed up by asking, ‘Who’s protecting us?’ Kelly responded, ‘It’s our job to protect ourselves.’ The exasperated voter asked once more, ‘Am I supposed to go to a chicken farmer and say I’d like you to close down because all of your birds are half dead?’”

  • grape_crush

    And here in the US, this sort of public anger has been successfully co-opted and misdirected by big business and the wealthy elites.

    “The strikes and shutdowns are a COST. The benefit of raising the pension age is that it pays for bailouts, bonuses and high salaries for the elites (since it helps pay to continue the financial casino.) Unless the cost is clearly going to be higher than the gain, they will do it. The strikes and other actions must continue until the elites who run Sarkozy realize the cost is higher than the benefit to them. [...]

    At this point in time, France is the only nation in the first world where there is meaningful resistance to the rush of Austerity (aka. Hooverism) and the attempt by elites to permanently break the power and wealth of the middle and working class.

    Pray for France. Because if they fall, no one is even trying, and if they fall the elites will know they can take anything away from any first world’s nation’s population.”

  • freeinpa

    MoronMom: I see you have gone to a comedy web site to “get facts”.
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    Bush’s Budget deficit. That’s a red herring since the budget does not in most years bear any relationship to spending bills and guess who controlled Congress.where spending originates.
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    I do love how he argued the tax cuts which were mostly tax credits or adjustments to withholding that was worth–wait for it–$8/wk. But then goes on to whine about how these “low and middle class tax cuts” was a waste and only added to the deficit but later on argues how well government spending worked? Liberal psychosis.
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    Bush bailed out the banks- yes and saved the economy. Obama bailed out the autos and transferred wealth to political allies.
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    The stimulus worked it added somewhere between 0 and a zillion jobs (the stimulus raised employment by between 1.4 million and 3.3 million jobs.). There is a 135% range from the CBO which is a political way of saying they don’t know and its not a fact but a lousy estimate, at best.
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    Businesses want tax cuts? Until I read this idiot blog I had not heard that. I have heard businesses want clarity on the extension of the Bush tax cuts and they worry about health care reform and other onerous legislation. More pure liberal fiction.
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    The health care argument they provide is a joke and has been discredited over and over.
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    Social Security more nut job nonsense. Here is from the Brookings Institute not exactly a conservative bastion “Henry J. Aaron, an economist at the Brookings Institution, who has defended the program against deep cuts or privatization but acknowledges that it is not sustainable without some combination of benefit cuts or tax increases.”
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    The government spending argument is maybe the most comical. Christine Romer and her husband produced research in 2007 that argued against stimulus and that a $1 increase in government spending reduced private spending by $3.
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    Liberal facts are a funny things they are more akin to mental dysfunction than reality.

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    FOIA Fail

    The late Bloomberg News reporter Mark Pittman asked the U.S. Treasury in January 2009 to identify $301 billion of securities owned by Citigroup Inc. that the government had agreed to guarantee. He made the request on the grounds that taxpayers ought to know how their money was being used.

    More than 20 months later, after saying at least five times that a response was imminent, Treasury officials responded with 560 pages of printed-out e-mails — none of which Pittman requested. They were so heavily redacted that most of what’s left are everyday messages such as “Did you just try to call me?” and “Monday will be a busy day!”

  • freeinpa

    A new entitlement program is born. I guess when you can’t win through the electoral process you look for agency rulings not subject to law. Best part of this job you need no actual experience in any real discipline, no college degree and have the opportunity to play Monty Hall with taxpayer dollars.

    Environmental Protection Agency is looking to hire an environmental protection specialist who will help the agency accomplish its “environmental justice goals.”

    The job, in New York City, pays up to $84,146 a year, and according to the job listing on the government Web site, “You do not need a degree to qualify for this position.”

    The EPA says the ideal candidate will have at least one year of experience related to the position, which comes with a salary range of $53,500-$84,146 a year. Any U.S. citizen may apply, and a background check is required.

    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/epa-looking-hire-environmental-justice-c

  • freeinpa

    Gaffe-a minute Biden delivers another clueless rant

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    ““I was amazed at the amount of money, this $200 billion of money that is — where there’s no accountability,” he said. “When I say accountability, we don’t know where it’s coming from. There’s no disclosure, so the folks watching the ad can’t make a judgment based upon motive when you say it’s paid for by so-and-so.”
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    And he repeated it twice in the interview. Maybe he needs a teleprompter? Or duct tape!

  • freeinpa

    “NPR shows are built around gathering and analyzing the news, rather than using it as a springboard for opinions.”
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    Nina Totenberg wishing Sen. Helms or his grandchildren got AIDS. Was that gathering or analyzing?

  • freeinpa

    “The Atlanta-based Tea Party Patriots, for example, says it has a listing of more than 2,300 local groups, but The Post was unable to identify anywhere near that many, despite help from the organization and independent research.”
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    Sounds like they took a page from ACORN voter registration drives

  • m0mentom0ri

    If a liberal said the sky was blue, Freepy would spend the next fifteen posts telling us all how libtards make up their own facts and they sky is really green and only socialists and Democrats actually believe its blue.
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    You are the perfect Republican, Freepy. Loyal to the end. Easy to deceive. The GOP’s favorite rube.

  • grape_crush

    Also, too:
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    [Spreading the losses.]
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    Today’s Times’s story on banks reluctance to permit short sales (selling a house for less than the outstanding loan balance) contains this nugget:

    Some advocates and real estate agents also point to an April 2009 regulatory change in an obscure federal accounting law. The change, in effect, allowed banks to foreclose on a home without having to write down a loss until that home was sold. By contrast, if a bank agrees to a short sale, it must mark the loss immediately.

    When you look at bank opposition to cramdown, programs like HAMP that did little more than raise false hope, and the reluctance of banks to allow short sales, there’s a common thread: all of these efforts delay the bank’s declaration of loss. If bankruptcy judges could cramdown, if HAMP really did result in modifications, and if banks embraced short sales, banks’ balance sheets would be in much worse shape today. Banks are slow-playing anything that makes them re-value their mortgage portfolios, no matter what it costs mortgage holders or the how badly it delays the recovery of the housing market.

  • freeinpa

    “At this point in time, France is the only nation in the first world where there is meaningful resistance to the rush of Austerity (aka. Hooverism) and the attempt by elites to permanently break the power and wealth of the middle and working class.

    Pray for France. Because if they fall, no one is even trying, and if they fall the elites will know they can take anything away from any first world’s nation’s population.”
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    Instead of a flower at the top of that website it should be a tin foil hat! A rush to austerity by taking retirement age from 60 to 62? Get a grip!

  • constantweader

    Thanks so much. A terrific post from Jim.

  • m0mentom0ri

    The full quote of the Nina Totenberg comment:
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    “I think he ought to be worried about what’s going on in the Good Lord’s mind,” she said of Senator Jesse Helms in 1995, “because if there is retributive justice, he’ll get AIDS from a transfusion, or one of his grandchildren will.”
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    That’s right its from 1995. Freepy’s got a long if somewhat selective, memory.
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    I wonder why Freepy’s so enamored with Helms? Why is he so quick to defend someone who described the civil rights movement thusly, “The Negro cannot count forever on the kind of restraint that’s thus far left him free to clog the streets, disrupt traffic, and interfere with other men’s rights.”
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    Or who said this about AIDS, “There is not one single case of AIDS in this country that cannot be traced in origin to sodomy.”
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    Or who in 1993 sang “Dixie” in an elevator to Carol Moseley-Braun, the first African-American woman elected to the Senate, bragging, “I’m going to make her cry. I’m going to sing Dixie until she cries.”
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    Why would Freepy defend Jesse Helms so vociferously 15 years after the fact?
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    I’ll let you all decide.

  • grape_crush

    Extortion, or: “Why I think getting the money out of politics is essential for retaining our democracy”.

    “When Republican Rep. Spencer Bachus of Alabama stepped in front of 100 financial services lobbyists at the Capitol Hill Club last month, he asked for an equal chunk of their campaign cash — and made clear he was watching closely.

    It is hard to believe, he told the crowd, that some in their industry were still giving more to Democrats than Republicans after, he said, Democrats hammered them with over-reaching Wall Street reform legislation, people familiar with the presentation said.[...]

    Bachus told the group, for instance, that the Independent Community Bankers of America had given 68 percent of its contributions to Democrats, according to a lobbyist who was present.[...]

    Bachus, who is in line to become the next chairman of the Financial Services Committee should Republicans take control of the House, made an example out of the community bankers that September morning — and it appears to have worked.”

  • grape_crush

    A rush to austerity by taking retirement age from 60 to 62? Get a grip!
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    And, as usual, Freeper misses the point entirely.

  • anon76

    For any who want a more sober analysis of early voting than Politico seems able to provide, check out Nate Silver: Linky

  • freeinpa

    While it is true if a liberal said the sky was blue I would check as they pretty much lie about most things. Which is interesting because the left spends the majority of its time whining about everybody but them lying.
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    I assume that rather than disapproving my response you chose to attack the messenger, another liberal favorite when caught being full of crap.

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    And you are the perfect liberal, full of crap peddling liberal lies without a clue other than denigrate or attack the person with the temerity to question your liberal psychosis.

  • http://gum0nshoe.wordpress.com gumOnShoe

    I assume that rather than disapproving my response you chose to attack the messenger

    After spewing a barrage of insults and generalizations about liberals, this is nothing more than the most ironic thing written on Time in the last week, at least.
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    I would like to disprove what you’ve said, but you haven’t provided any solid argument which I could disprove. You’re one claim, liberals lie a lot is not backed up by any evidence, sources, or anything but personal anecdote and opinion. Even if I wanted to refute your message, I couldn’t begin to as you haven’t made a solid argument.
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    In the words of a scientist: if you want to propose a hypothesis, you must then test it and report your results as backed up by your experiment. In this case you’d need to find every liberal in the world and catch them in a lie.
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    Since I don’t believe you have the time to do this, and you’ve not provided any evidence, as a reasonable observer I must conclude that you don’t know what you are talking about. If you feel this is me attacking you, then I will apologize once you present irrefutable proof that ALL liberals are horrible liars.

  • m0mentom0ri

    “MoronMom…[blah blah blahity blah]”
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    Actually, I stopped reading at that point, assuming you were your usual knee-jerk, insult-fueled, reactionary self. You are utterly predictable at this point. You’re sycophant, Freepy. Nothing can be proven to you, your beliefs are unmoving. I don’t post items just for you, so I’m not going to waste my time trying to disprove points made by someone who has to check if the sky is blue based on who told them. I’ve a better chance of teaching a pig to whistle.
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    You want a debate? Fine. Don’t open with an insult. You want to make fun of people and have a good time with your punny little insults? That’s fine, too. Go find a playground. But don’t expect me to care, I get better insults from 12 year olds on Xbox.

  • nflfoghorn

    “…NPR, like the New York Times, has an ombudsman. Does Fox? [I think the answer is No.]”
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    Flox has paid liars instead.

  • freeinpa

    GumonShoe and MoronMom:

    2 minds without a single thought. Both of you go go on for paragraphs addressing everything but the post I made disputing the wonderful link from “ourfuture.org”.
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    “In the words of a scientist: if you want to propose a hypothesis, you must then test it and report your results as backed up by your experiment. In this case you’d need to find every liberal in the world and catch them in a lie.
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    In the words of a scientist you don’t test an entire population to prove a hypothesis. In addition to your 5th reading comprehension you have a 5th grade science comprehension as well. But since you so vociferously want statistically tested statements I await your award winning work on the claims here posted by liberals about conservatives. Take your time I will wait. You can start with anyone of MoronMom’s. In the mean time we can be spared your irrelevant rantings.

  • freeinpa

    “Why would Freepy defend Jesse Helms so vociferously 15 years after the fact”
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    Only a knucklehead like you would twist this into a false assertion of my supporting Jesse Helms instead of the double standard that NPR has.

    But it does put a light on the false compassion you like many liberals have.You seem to be OK with wishing harm and catastrophic incidents befall conservatives if they don’t toe liberal dogma. You post says more about your hypocrisy than anything I said.

    The list of similar liberal rants that seem to qualify as “gathering and analyzing” goes beyond Nina Totenberg to Cokie Roberts among others. You have no interest in discerning the difference because it doesn’t fit your failing philosophy of liberalism.

  • freeinpa

    What exactly is the point? You should riot in the streets for the “right” to continuously spend other people’s money regardless of the cost too the taxpayers and the impact on the economy?

    No I didn’t miss that point, I applaud the effort of a politician with a spine.

  • freeinpa

    “.NPR, like the New York Times, has an ombudsman”
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    So your OK as long as the liars are sanctioned. Good to know.

  • asharaxx

    Oh, yes. They(The Tea Party) took a page(your reference to registration fraud) out of ACORN(Those guys you hate)’s book.
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    Burn! Take that, uh, Tea Party? That’l show them… That you’re not any better than they are?
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    Whose side are you on, again?

  • m0mentom0ri

    Ok, let’s be ‘scientific’. I put that in quotes, because based on your views that global warming is a wealth redistribution scheme being set forth by a conspiratorial cabal of scientists, I’m guessing that you don’t actually believe in the scientific process.
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    But let’s take a look at your rebuttal.
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    “Bush’s Budget deficit. That’s a red herring since the budget does not in most years bear any relationship to spending”
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    That statement makes no sense. You’re attempting to spin Bush’s budget as not being spending simply because a Republican spending more than a Democrat doesn’t fit your narrative. You must be some sort of financial genius if you’ve managed to separate you bank account balance from how much you spend from that account.
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    “But then goes on to whine about how these “low and middle class tax cuts” was a waste”
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    Whining? Where?
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    “Bush bailed out the banks- yes”
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    Agreed. Next.
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    “The stimulus worked”
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    Agreed. Next.
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    “I have heard businesses….”
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    I’ve heard the world is flat. Doesn’t make it true.
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    “The health care argument they provide is a joke and has been discredited over and over.”
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    Rush Limbaugh does not a discredit make.
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    “Social Security more nut job nonsense. ”
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    Good argument. Nothing says I’m in a factual debate more than the phrase “nut job”.
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    “Christine Romer”
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    Its Christina Romer.
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    Now, Freepy, please regale us all on how I’ve missed the substantial facts in you awesome rebuttal to pick on you over grammatical errors and absurd rhetoric. Lecture me again on comity or how to properly and politely settle a factual dispute.
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    Or just see if you can make up another pun. Those are always entertaining.

  • hippooath

    “But since you so vociferously want statistically tested statements I await your award winning work on the claims here posted by liberals about conservatives. Take your time I will wait. You can start with anyone of MoronMom’s. In the mean time we can be spared your irrelevant rantings.”
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    YOU are proposing a purity test? You?
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    The irony

  • m0mentom0ri

    Only a knucklehead like you, Freepy, would quote Nina Totenberg out of context to imply she wished violence on the execrable Jesse Helms.
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    Only a knucklehead like you, Freepy, would come to the defense of one of the worst racists to serve as a Senator in the history of the institution.

  • freeinpa

    “Now, Freepy, please regale us all on how I’ve missed the substantial facts in you awesome rebuttal to pick on you over grammatical errors and absurd rhetoric. Lecture me again on comity or how to properly and politely settle a factual dispute.”
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    No need to regale you with anything. You have proven with your pathetic responses you do not want answers you want to celebrate your stupidity. You have have succeeded.
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    If you want anyone to omit the insults pretend you have a brain when you respond. Your responses show the insults are not only justified but true.

  • freeinpa

    I came to the defense of no one. I pointed out the double standard of NPR. Your stupidity is on full display once again MoronMomas you lack any reading comprehension whatsoever. Amazing you keep living up to your name.

  • freeinpa

    America’s side. How about you?

  • freeinpa

    “YOU are proposing a purity test? You?”

    I didn’t think you could respond with anything but obfuscation.
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    “The irony”

    That is about the 5th time in 3 days you have you this word. Please flip your vocabulary calendar to the next day so you get a new word to overuse.

  • grape_crush

    What exactly is the point?
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    Like I said, you’ve missed it…and you seem to have made up your own bogus point instead.

  • m0mentom0ri

    “Your responses show the insults are not only justified but true.”
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    I know you are, but what am I?
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    Phthbthbthtbthbtht!*
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    *(Bronx cheer)

  • grape_crush

    America’s side. How about you?
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    I imagine that Asharaxx would answer the same, only doing it without questioning the respondent’s patriotism.
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    That’s a particularly nasty debate habit, Freeper…implying that a person is a traitor if they don’t agree with your nonsense.

  • freeinpa

    MoronMom:

    Once again thank you for proving my points, both in your inability to defend your own post and your continual display of stupidity.

  • freeinpa

    Once again you make a statement without any proof. I never questioned his patriotism, I simply answered a question he posed .
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    Why are liberals soooo touchy about patriotism but use it like a cudgel when convenient?

  • m0mentom0ri

    “I came to the defense of no one.”
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    You’re upset that Nina said something bad about Jesse Helms. You’re so upset, you’re using a 15 year old out-of-context comment to castigate her. You obvious think Jesse Helms was wronged by Nina Totenberg in some way.
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    That is the very definition of defending someone. The alternative is that you’re not actually bothered by Nina Totenberg’s comment and just want to use that comment to flog NPR. That can’t be right, because that would mean you’re disingenuous.
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    So which is it Freepy? Are you defending a racist Senator? Or are you using a disingenuous argument in a misguided attempt to paint Juan Williams commenting that he’s afraid of Muslims as equivalent to Nina Totenberg wondering if Jesse Helm’s comments regarding AIDS victims will negatively impact the Lord’s judgment of him?

  • freeinpa

    Mr. Know-it-all please enlighten those of us less fortunate than you, since you seem to be the only one who can have a point. But then that is the essence of liberalism isn’t it–unadulterated arrogance!

  • m0mentom0ri

    I almost forgot…
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    “Amazing you keep living up to your name.”
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    damnant quodnon intelligunt

  • m0mentom0ri

    “America’s side. How about you?”
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    “I never questioned his patriotism”
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    The Word Of The Day is ‘irony’.

  • freeinpa

    “Or are you using a disingenuous argument in a misguided attempt to paint Juan Williams commenting that he’s afraid of Muslims as equivalent to Nina Totenberg wondering if Jesse Helm’s comments regarding AIDS victims will negatively impact the Lord’s judgment of him?”
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    So what are you defending now MoronMom? You using a portion of what Juan Williams actually said or hate disguised as analysis on NPR by NinaT..

    .
    Since you are using the time frame (15 yrs ago) as a pathetic attempt to believe that such nonsense is a rare occurence for NPR people, try this one from MArch of 2010 from Cokie Roberts.
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    “Cokie Roberts: Glenn Beck ‘Corrupting’ Democracy, a ‘Traitor’ to American Values ”
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    Tell me the gathering and analysis of her comment. Notice there is another liberal using patriotism as a punch line.
    .

    Maybe when you can provide a rational argument above your current 5th grade level try again. You are becoming more incoherent with each post.

  • freeinpa

    Again reading comprehension, Mom. I think you really need to repeat the 5th grade.

  • m0mentom0ri

    “inability to defend your own post”
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    Inability to defend it to you, Freepy.
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    And still haven’t got that pig to whistle, either.

  • m0mentom0ri

    “Cokie Roberts: Glenn Beck ‘Corrupting’ Democracy, a ‘Traitor’ to American Values ”
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    Glenn Beck: “Obama Has A Deep-Seated Hatred For White People”
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    Given Glenn’s own words, I’m inclined to agree with Cokie.
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    And is that really the best you can do? An NPR commentator doesn’t like Glenn Beck? You’ll have to shut down everyone but Fox, if that’s the measure.

  • grape_crush

    I pointed out the double standard of NPR.
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    Except, of course, the comment you used while attempting to do that was taken out of context and was from a decade and a half ago. As usual, you have no point.
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    Even more so than that, what does that have to do with Fallows’ point about the right-wing attempt to de-legitimize NPR? If anything, your use of selective, out-of-context quotation just underlines Fallow’s argument.

  • m0mentom0ri

    Oh, what the heck, I’ll bite, Freepy.
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    If you weren’t questioning someone’s patriotism, then what answer were you looking for when you asked “What about you?”
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    Were you asking if he’s on “America’s side”?
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    What does asking someone if there on “America’s side” mean?
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    If you’re not on “America’s side” are you not a patriot?
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    If you’re on “America’s side” are you a patriot?
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    For someone’s who’s indignant over the use of the word ‘irony’ and is constantly questioning folk’s intelligence, you’re having a lot of difficulty making your points today without coming off as a friend of Jesse Helm’s who’s demanding statements of patriotic purity.

  • apr2563

    http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/10/jihad_alarmism_proves_quite_lucrative.php?ref=fpb
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    A growing career opportunity. Jihad alarmist industry is lucrative.

  • grape_crush

    Mr. Know-it-all please enlighten those of us less fortunate than you, since you seem to be the only one who can have a point. But then that is the essence of liberalism isn’t it–unadulterated arrogance!
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    So we’re ‘clueless’ and ‘reading-impaired’ yet ‘know-it-alls’, ‘traitors’ when we don’t agree with you, and ‘arrogant’ when you’re told that the points you make up are flawed and driven by your rabid partisanship.
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    That about sum it up, Freeper? One wonders how you function in everyday life.
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    Think long and hard about why they’re striking over in France. It’s not just about raising the retirement age.

  • apr2563

    freeper accounts for almost 40% of the comments on this post so far. Has anything he said worth the space he has used?

  • earljr1

    You should actually make an attempt to read what freeinpa posts, april, it just might let a glimmer of light shine in your closed, socialist mind. (on second thought, it may be too much for you to comprehend) Go back and tune in to Rachel Maddow. Her simplicity is a better match for you.

  • rwbbinla

    @15.1 What news sources do you reference when you post? Also, what is the definition of “Socialism” that you use.

  • herby002

    free,

    Thanks for the link, for a change. Of course it’s one of your usual rightist sources, but… better than none, I guess.

    These folks provide a valuable service. For more info, check this link:
    http://www.doi.gov/oepc/ej_examples.html#coordinators

    BTW, I haven’t checked all the nine present people in various agencies who hold this position, but at least one is a PhD.

  • herby002

    free,

    Since you don’t provide a link, I can’t tell if your version is accurate or complete.
    But just for argument’s sake, suppose he meant to say millions instead of billions.

    Earlier you complained that someone was “killing the messenger” (you) instead of countering your argument. Now you are doing the same thing.

    Please argue against what Biden said, if you can.

  • herby002

    grape,

    Thanks for the effort you put in in posting these links. I can’t read every word of all of them, but I usually cut/paste them into another app, then print & read them later.

  • herby002

    15.2 – rwbbinla,

    He ain’t gonna answer. He just likes to stand on the other side of the room and throw darts.

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