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Afghanistan Exit: 2014

Les Gelb jumps the gun on the mid-November NATO summit by reporting that the allies will set 2014 as the real end date for the Afghanistan war effort. This conforms to Hamid Karzai’s stated deadline, which few took seriously when he announced it last July. More important, it conforms to the U.S. political schedule–Obama won’t be accused of bugging out of Afghanistan–and it gives General David Petraeus plenty of time to try to establish some sort of public security in the Pashtun lands (or, conversely, plenty of time to continue pulverizing the Taliban silly enough to remain on the Afghan side of the border). Of course, it’s hard to see how the essential Afghan problems will be “solved” by then:

First, what will be accomplished by “defeating” the Taliban and al-Qaeda in Afghanistan when terrorists bases now dot the global landscape?… Second, what effect will winning or losing in Afghanistan have on Pakistan? Washington insists that Pakistan’s fate hinges on the outcome in Afghanistan, but if that’s so, why do the Pakistanis continue to provide the Taliban with sanctuary and arms even as they urge us to fight on in Afghanistan?

The answer to the second question is that Pakistanis see Afghanistan in a completely different light: If their proxies, the Taliban, are defeated, then their enemies, the Indians, will have renewed opportunities to use Afghanistan to surround Pakistan. Which raises a third question: What does Pakistan really want? And a fourth question: What do we really want?

The answers are: Pakistan wants an India-free Afghanistan. We want a stable, civilian-led Pakistan (with no threat of an Islamist Army coup). There is a bit of overlap there: stability–a restult that, I suspect, is most likely if there are successful negotiations between the Karzai government and the Taliban for a power-sharing agreement. If an agreement is reached, we may see the end of major combat operations well before 2014. I am not holding my breath, though,

 

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  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    The $6 billion a month question is how military occupation advances these goals.
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    And, even if so (I don’t see how), these goals advance US security interests enough to justify that expense, pending the report of the cat food commission.

  • pneogy

    “The answer to the second question is that Pakistanis see Afghanistan in a completely different light: If their proxies, the Taliban, are defeated, then their enemies, the Indians, will have renewed opportunities to use Afghanistan to surround Pakistan.”

    That is a simplistic reading of the situation. You really have to ask what the Pakistani military, the dominant player in Pakistan, wants. The answer is: Every opportunity to stoke anti-Indian feelings so that its primacy as Pakistan’s protector is maintained and an ever larger share of the country’s resources are diverted to its use. Merely keeping India out of Afghanistan (which situation is essentially true today, and likely to remain so) is not going to satisfy the Pakistani military.

  • http://jeustor.wordpress.com jeustor

    Hey MR OBAMA, how many have died since you took office?

    That is how many you are directly responsible for. For
    not ending the wars (mistakes) immediately and pulling the troops out immediately.

    And holding Bush and his administration responsible for their murders, immediately after taking office. 8 years and 2 unnecessary wars waged on a pretense that they had weapons of mass destruction, that Iraq had something to do with 9/11 and that we were going after Bin Laden. All lies to wage wars for greed, and the control of the oil and heroin production in those regions.

    So how many will DIE between now and 2014? That is how many MURDERS YOU are directly responsible for.

    So far we have over 8,000 dead coalition solders and over 1,000,000 dead Muslims. That you and Bush are responsible for.

    Do you believe in a GOD sir? Well, do you really think if there is a GOD, you (and we that paid for it) will be “pardoned” for these murders? And if you don’t, then that says it all. So go ahead an keep killing in the name of LIES and GREED. And watch as the karmic backlash continues to devour this economy and our future.

    So was HITLER and SADDAM really any worse then YOU AND BUSH? Really sir(e)? How many deaths are they responsible for? And what makes what you do any better then when Germany invaded Poland or Iraq tried to invade Kuwait. An eye for an eye, gets you first in line for HELL and makes you no better then THEM. Remember, as Dr, King said, the hottest places in HELL are reserved for….people like YOU.

  • lyrik007

    I am glad to hear that you are not holding your breath. I believe that strategy will serve you well. Besides, what exactly are “major combat operations”? Didn’t those end in 2003?

  • lyrik007

    Can we really call these wars? They look a lot more like occupations to me. I’m not seeing a lot of organization from the “enemy” (brown people that dislike America).

  • pintortwo

    Mr Klein, you miss an essential truth wrt Afghanistan– a constant oversight on you part which renders your analysis almost useless.
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    We (ie the Administrations, Pentagon) want enduring bases in Afghanistan, like Iraq. We want them to be part of a network of bases to stretch from the Horn of Africa to S Asia; that’s it.
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    We do so because a small group of neoconservatives theorized that if we police this region, kill all bad guys, topple all bad governments and make it safe for capitalism- a 50+ year endeavor- it will usher in a New American Century of prosperity and unipolar-ness. We are willing, in the short term, to disregard Pakistan’s stability and our own national security, to kill thousands of civilians and spend trillions because some elites still believe the neocons are right.

  • herby002

    Interesting rant, there. You really should study history, then ask yourself your own questions.

    Conflating Poland, Saddam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Bush, WWII, Obama, Hitler – with an overlay of religion, is nonsensical.

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