Conservatives Heart Juan Williams

Who knew that conservatives loved Juan Williams so much? Williams, who was fired from National Public Radio this week for what the non-profit, quasi-government funded organization called bigoted statements against Muslims, was probably best known to conservatives as one of two liberal foils on Fox News Sunday’s weekly roundtable. That show must be much more popular than I’d thought.

Republicans have long sought to defund NPR and it’s television sister, PBS, loathing government-run anything competing with the private sector. Though, even when the GOP controlled both chambers of Congress and the White House back in 2005, a move to defund them failed after 87 House Republicans broke ranks and voted to reinstate money that had been stripped in committee.

Since Williams’ firing, Senator Jim DeMint has said he plan to introduce legislation to defund NPR. Sarah Palin and Mike Huckabee have called on the government to stop funding NPR, which receives any where from 1% to 6% of its annual operating costs in federal money, depending how you do the math. And today House GOP Whip Eric Cantor said he’ll propose cutting off NPR in his weekly YouCut program, where online voters bid on what cuts they’d like to see made from the federal budget. From Cantor’s statement:

“Whether it’s people walking off The View when Bill O’Reilly makes a statement about radical Islam or Juan Williams being fired for expressing his opinion, over-reaching political correctness is chipping away at the fundamental American freedoms of speech and expression. NPR’s decision to fire Juan Williams not only undermines that, it shows an ignorance of the fact that radical Islam and the terrorists who murder in its name scare people of all faiths, religions, and beliefs. In light of their rash decision, we will include termination of federal funding for NPR as an option in the YouCut program so that Americans can let it be known whether they want their dollars going to that organization.”

If only Republicans were so concerned about another First Amendment right — also involving Muslims — freedom of religion, ahem Ground Zero mosque.

Update: Williams lands a $2 million Fox News contract.

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  • http://gum0nshoe.wordpress.com gumOnShoe

    Shhhh, they don’t like it when you point out how hypocritical they are.

  • ricardo4max

    It’s amazing how liberals refuse to or are unable to see the truth. Juan Williams is just another left wing propagandist. He defends anyone of color. He expresses disgust and disdain for conservatives and traditional American values. True intelligent rational observant conservatives (which most are) are not suddenly enamored of JW, although once again the left wing state run media is trying to make you “useful idiots” believe that. I have never liked JW but I do like the idea that he can speak his mind freely. What we conservatives DON’T LIKE is that our tax dollars are going to fund an extremely biased and intolerant media outlet such as NPR. We may or may not like what Juan says, but we defend his right to say it. When govt interferes in the marketplace, this is what results.

  • arroznegro

    How many moments before someone pitches Juan for President?

  • beelkay

    I don’t like what Juan Williams said, but I do think NPR overreacted a bit in firing him. (That said, his statement probably would have colored listeners’ view of him.) I can’t help but feel that the conservative support for Williams is coming from a very cynical place, though.

  • charlieromeobravo

    This is basically the Dr Laura N Word fiasco with the added element of NPR’s involvement which makes it extra tasty for the radical right and the Fox News crew. Williams’ 1st Amendment rights are still intact. He’s allowed to say whatever he wants in the same way that NPR is allowed to disagree with him and not pay him to say it. Why does the right think is it OK to bash Muslims but if he had said the same thing about Jews or black people, NPR’s decision would be regarded as completely appropriate.
    .
    BTW, Cantor, the hosts of The View didn’t walk off on O’Reilly because he made a statement about “radical Muslims”, he just said “Muslims” and only amended that statement to radical Muslims a few minutes later.
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    What’s going on here isn’t a battle of political correctness, it’s a battle of factual correctness. It’s going to continue until the wing-nuts get it through their heads that 9/11 =/= Muslims, terrorist =/= Muslim, and disparaging Muslims as a group is no different than disparaging blacks, Hispanics, Asians, Christians, Jews, etc… as unified groups. We weren’t attacked by Muslims on 9/11. Muslims are not a problem. Religious extremists, radical Muslims, are the issue.
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    It’s not a subtle distinction. I realize that the right isn’t big on nuance but this doesn’t require much nuance to understand.

  • m0mentom0ri

    I’m sure the Dixie Chicks, Dan Rather, Rachel Ray, Kanye West, Rosie O’Donnell, and the dozens of other celebrities, musicians, artists and journalists the right-wingers have vilified and boycotted over the years are enjoying this brief moment of irony.

  • allthingsinaname

    Screw the GOP

  • ricardo4max

    BTW you all better read up on freedom of religion in the Constitution. No one is suggesting that muslims aren’t free to practice their religion (although, if it advocates violence/ jihad, it is probably violating other parts of the Constitution and federal law). What we are saying is that the site of the proposed mosque is hallowed ground to America and we should not allow a stick to be put into the eye of America and Americans.

  • ricardo4max

    Whoops, you can’t say “colored listeners’ ” (copied from your post) on this blog. Ms. Schiller will fire you!

  • ricardo4max

    Isn’t there an age minimum for this blog?

  • charlieromeobravo

    Canning Williams for making ignorant intolerant statements makes NPR an intolerant organization?
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    I defend JW’s right to say whatever he pleases. I also defend NPR’s right to disagree with him. I also defend their right to set their own policies to maintain their journalistic integrity however they see fit.
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    They also asked their employees not to attend the Rally to Restore Sanity so their image as a non biased news organization was damaged. That makes sense to me.
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    Williams’ 1st Amendment rights weren’t trampled here. If we were friends and you made a racist statement, I’m perfectly within my rights to stop associating with you if I disagree. Would I have trampled on your 1st Amendment rights? No. Same concept applies here to Williams.
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    The right is only getting ginned up over this because Muslim bashing is OK by their skewed standards and because it involves NPR, a favorite punching bag of theirs.

  • allthingsinaname

    With you posting here and your constant whining that nothing is good enough and, everyone is against you, liberal this and liberal that and, chicken little rants, apparently not!

  • charlieromeobravo

    I would agree with you if Al Qaeda were sponsoring the community center. We weren’t attacked by “Muslims” on 9/11 any more than the Oklahoma City bombing was perpetrated by “Christians”.

  • http://djtrudeau.wordpress.com djtrudeau

    “What we are saying is that the site of the proposed mosque is hallowed ground to America and we should not allow a stick to be put into the eye of America and Americans.”

    Please point out the section of the Constitution you’re basing this on. Where does it designate what is and isn’t hallowed ground and who should be able to build on it?

  • charlieromeobravo

    @Bee
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    You feel that way because the criticism is coming from a cynical place. If had made some dumb blanket statement about Jews, he would have been fired and the right wouldn’t be saying a word about it beyond “Hey Jewish constituents, we agree, now please send us money.”

  • michaelfury

    By all means “defund” National Propaganda Radio:

    http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2009/12/09/special-friends/

  • michaelfury

    Juan says people on planes in “muslim garb” make him “nervous”. What about their “well-dressed” handlers, Juan? Don’t they make you “nervous”?

    http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2010/05/20/points-of-failure/

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    Of course conservatives love Juan Williams. He wouldn’t be on Fox if they didn’t. They love mealy mouthed faux liberals who sit on Billo’s knee, nodding away.
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    Jay Newton-Small, you need to ratchet up your media sophistication quotient.
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    (BTW, in today’s NYT article about this, Brian Stelter cites the “view from nowhere” a concept popularize by Jay Rosen out here in bloggy world. )

  • grape_crush

    link?

  • newfreedomblog

    “I would agree with you if Al Qaeda were sponsoring the community center.”

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    Would Hezbollah make a difference? How about the Muslim Brotherhood?

  • grape_crush

    Who knew that conservatives loved Juan Williams so much?
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    http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-juan-williams-20101022,0,4294425.story
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    “As NPR weathered a storm of criticism Thursday for its decision to fire news analyst Juan Williams for his comments about Muslims, Fox News moved aggressively to turn the controversy to its advantage by signing Williams to an expanded role at the cable news network.

    Fox News Chief Executive Roger Ailes handed Williams a new three-year contract Thursday morning, in a deal that amounts to nearly $2 million, a considerable bump up from his previous salary, the Tribune Washington Bureau has learned. The Fox News contributor will now appear exclusively and more frequently on the cable news network and have a regular column on FoxNews.com.”

  • uniquelychristianthinker

    @charlieromeobravo – your comment reading “We weren’t attacked by “Muslims” on 9/11 any more than the Oklahoma City bombing was perpetrated by ‘Christians’”. is troubling to me.
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    Prior to the furor on “the View” I hadn’t heard anyone debating the fact that Muslims were the perpetrators of the 9/11 attacks. Further, that the primary motivation for those attacks was based on their particular understanding and interpretation of Islam This seemed, to me, to be common knowledge. As common as the fact that the abhorrent Westboro Baptist group bases their protests on their understanding and interpretation of the Bible.

    The primary difference between the 2 groups is that the WB group is denounced by nearly all practicing Christians while the outcry against Islamic terrorism coming from moderate Muslims seems to be, confusingly, far more feeble.

  • newfreedomblog

    Oh goody, jayackroids comes out of hiding to put down Juan Williams. Juan Williams who could run circles around jayackroids a 1,000 times over no less.
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    Come on jayroids. Write something profound for the first time in your life. Write that what NPR did was flat wrong. That firing someone for expressing a personal feeling really shouldn’t be a fire-able offense.
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    Tell the whole world how the liberal Political Correctness has not only gone totally off the rails, but people are now seeing you fools for exactly what you truly are!!

  • charlieromeobravo

    “Would Hezbollah make a difference? How about the Muslim Brotherhood?”
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    Probably but
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    1) you didn’t say “Hezbollah”, you said “Muslims” which aren’t the same thing,
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    2) it’s not a mosque,
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    and 3) no one with any credibility has been able to tie Cordoba directly to either of those organizations or other terrorist affiliate.

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/22/business/media/22williams.html
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    Sorry. I read it in the dead tree edition.
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    “By renewing Mr. Williams’s contract, Fox News showed its preference for point-of-view — rather than the view-from-nowhere — polemics. And it gave Fox news anchors and commentators an opportunity to jab NPR, the public radio organization that had long been a target of conservatives for what they perceived to be a liberal bias.”

  • newfreedomblog

    I have always wondered why hard earned tax dollars should go to liberal tongue wagging nutballs just to spew out their hate speech anyways.
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    Time to shut off public funding for all entities. Let them get out and work for their money like the rest of us do.
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    Come on America, speak up. Let your voices be heard. Tell your Congressman or woman to shut off the free money now.

  • charlieromeobravo
  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    ???
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    Where did I say they should have fired him? I just said, as you demonstrate, that Jay should not have been surprised that conservatives love Juan WIlliams.
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    In fact, it points out how deeply embedded these stupid left/right labels are–that Juan Williams gets to play a liberal on television is evidence of the failure of the traditional media to provide discourse that is of any real value.
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    In this particular case, the unwillingness of Fox to air any actual liberal, who actually speaks out clearly and forthrightly in support of liberal issues, is made manifest.

  • freeinpa

    “If only Republicans were so concerned about another First Amendment right — also involving Muslims — freedom of religion, ahem Ground Zero mosque.”
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    This is the tired meme liberals keep shoveling. Republicans aren’t concerned with building a mosque they are concerned WHERE one is being built. You know sensitivities that liberals love to point out. Oh forgot its selective sensitivities.

    And the hypocrisy on display is all NPR. Now if the left wants to know what Republicans want to cut in the budget– you just found it. It may be small but its a start.

  • squirmz

    gosh i was prepared for a long tin-foil list of weather underground radical propagandists a la textee…

  • allthingsinaname

    Typical GOP, much to do about nothing.

  • freeinpa

    “I defend JW’s right to say whatever he pleases. I also defend NPR’s right to disagree with him. I also defend their right to set their own policies to maintain their journalistic integrity however they see fit.”
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    Therein lies the problem. The standards must be applied to all NPR journalists and as evidenced by Nina Totenberg, Cokie Roberts among others they did not. It is nothing but liberal hypocrisy. He was not PC enough which is not a journalistic standard just a liberal one.

  • grape_crush

    /sigh
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    Paywall. Thanks for the effort, ‘tho.

  • http://gum0nshoe.wordpress.com gumOnShoe

    Let’s add Right to Own Property to that list of things Republicans don’t care about.

  • charlieromeobravo

    “Prior to the furor on “the View” I hadn’t heard anyone debating the fact that Muslims were the perpetrators of the 9/11 attacks.”
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    Then you literally haven’t been paying attention to any of the arguments over the Cordoba House Project coming from the conservative right. That’s the primary argument they’ve been making since this thing started kicking up dust over the summer.

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    And, Jay, this:
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    Since Williams’ firing, Senator Jim DeMint has said he plan to introduce legislation to defund NPR.

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    is less than accurate, I believe. I have been told that Demint plans to defund the CFB.
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    That budget is here, by the way.
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    http://www.cpb.org/aboutcpb/financials/appropriation/justification_11-13.pdf
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    16.4% federal funding for the CFB in 2008.
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    Myself, I am looking forward to the Car Talk guys cutting an ad in support of federal funding.

  • Paul-no not that one

    Falling up for Juan. The American way!

  • charlieromeobravo

    Yes, god forbid a smattering of our tax dollars fund a news organization that is routinely judged to be the most impartial, most apolitical of the major news organizations. Why would be want our citizens to be well informed about the issues of the day?

  • freeinpa

    Villified or boycotted? And the names you come up wit are dim-bulb entertainers. I guess that is fair since liberals think they represent 1) intelligent discourse and 2) this country.

    And your pitiful comparison doesn’t rise to being fired. And especially the slur from the classy CEO of NPR about JW and a psychiatrist.

  • newfreedomblog

    In libtardo world. People should simply just ignore the fact there are extremists who have proven over and over again they will kill you simply because you are not a Muslim. Those extremists do this in the NAME of Allah, and the Muslim religion. This is also a fact.
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    So when Muslims come to this country, which they will, and they have a sword looming over your head as they are readying themselves to lope your head off, a-la-Danny Pearl style. Speak up then, and defend your Muslim friends. Tell the world in front of the video camera they will have positioned to show the world who they are exactly and why they will kill you. Say really loud and clear so your last words are immortalized “they are not Muslims”.
    .

  • Paul-no not that one

    “Don’t cut funding like my brother”?

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    Sorry. I didn’t know that happened. No more NYT links for me then.

  • m0mentom0ri

    What we are saying is that the site of the proposed mosque is hallowed ground to America and we should not allow a stick to be put into the eye of America and Americans.
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    Hey Ricky, are the McDonald’s and the strip club located at Ground Zero hallowed ground, too? I’d like to try a hallowed Big Mac. Sounds divine.

  • allthingsinaname

    Stephen Broden, a Republican running for Congress in Texas’ 30th District, said he would not rule out a violent overthrow of the government if the midterm elections don’t cause a change in government, saying that “our nation was founded on violence” so “the option is on the table.”

    According to the Dallas Morning News, Broden said in a TV interview yesterday: “We have a constitutional remedy here and the Framers says if that don’t work, revolution.”

    “If the government is not producing the results or has become destructive to the ends of our liberties, we have a right to get rid of that government and to get rid of it by any means necessary,” he continued.

  • sdl52

    I watch a number of news shows, and usually end up changing the channel because of the participants shouting, cutting each other off or making outrageous comments (both sides!).

    It is getting harder and harder to find shows where actual discussion takes place, where people can respectfully disagree after sharing why they believe what they believe.

    Although I can’t think of a single time that I agreed with what Juan Williams had to say, and he more than once made outrageous comments, most of the time he was a reasoned liberal. I appreciated that he was able to participate in civil discourse.

  • m0mentom0ri

    “So when Muslims come to this country, which they will, and they have a sword looming over your head as they are readying themselves to lope your head off…”
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    You’re avoiding your end case Rusty. You do know where your rhetoric is leading, don’t you? Eventually, you’ll have to admit it.
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    ‘No Muslims in America’
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    That is where you’re going, isn’t it Rusty? If not, then answer this: What is your view of the role of a Muslim in America?

  • newfreedomblog

    This Pew Research study may just show and prove why there is now a great divide between the various news organizations.
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    In summation, basically the study shows that most all journalists are indeed biased for liberal issues and concerns which indeed is evidenced in their reporting and their writing.
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    http://people-press.org/report/?pageid=830
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    It is sort of like playing the game, King of the Hill. Whoever becomes more liberal or conservative gets to hold the moniker in their hand which lays claim for their ideology. “I am the most Conservative”….or, “I am the most Liberal”.
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    Why it is very evident most journalist run for the top of the hill to out-shout other more liberal shills, also known as Lame Stream Media Reporters, the competition for ad revenue is great. They do it for their pocketbooks more than anything else, also evident in this study too.
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    Perhaps in journalism school, we can guide our future journalist and reporters to simply report on the news. To tell the truth, the whole truth so help me God. Allow the consumer of news to be the judge of what is or isn’t too liberal or conservative and make up their own minds. Novel idea. Something news organizations will have to do soon or they will no longer be around.

  • uniquelychristianthinker

    I think you misunderstand. I haven’t heard anyone taking your point of view (shared by the ladies of The View) that it was “extremeists” and not “Muslims” who attacked us.
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    It seems that this view is making a distinction in the wrong place. Yes, it was Muslims who hijacked the planes and they were not Muslims incidentally but primarily.
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    That is the reason that the Cordoba House project is being opposed; because it a house of worship for the same religion that spawned the 9/11 attacks. While there are differences between that religion’s fundamentalists and moderates, the religion itself remains the same.
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    Perhaps similarly, if the Catholic church decided to build a retirement home for priests next to a Boys Club facility, there might be an outcry of the same nature..legal? yes but perhaps not wise..

  • newfreedomblog

    For one thing jayackroyd, I never said you said NPR was justified in firing Williams now did I?
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    Secondly to say Fox “In this particular case, the unwillingness of Fox to air any actual liberal, who actually speaks out clearly and forthrightly in support of liberal issues, is made manifest.”
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    This is a flatly untrue and basically a LIE. Day in and day out Fox News presents the views of both Conservative and Liberals in their commentators. Perhaps you are just disillusioned because you have never been invited on Fox.
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    The reason Fox is beating every other news organization at least 2:1 is that they do provide both sides of the coin to be reviewed by their viewers.
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    Now if you say Fox News only has conservative Hosts for the evening commentary programs. Absolutely that is true. Are those hosts more conservative than they are liberal? Absolutely true. Is that the reason I watch Fox rather than the lame stream media or the cable liberal news shows? Absolutely.

  • charlieromeobravo

    “Those extremists do this in the NAME of Allah, and the Muslim religion. This is also a fact.”
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    All religious extremists do what they do in the name of their religion, their god. That’s what makes them *religious* extremists.
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    Islam has existed for better than a century and Muslims have been in the US, peacefully, for better than a century. I’m sure you think it’s a fun game you play, refusing to make the distinction between Muslims and a very small radical, violent subset of Muslims. Unfortunately for you there’s centuries of history in evidence that Islam on the whole is no more of a violent religion than Christianity is. It’s small, scared people like you that need big boogey men to point to. It’s easier than dealing with the complexities of the real world and facing up to your own responsibilities as a citizen of it.

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    Do you read your links?

  • charlieromeobravo

    “I think you misunderstand. I haven’t heard anyone taking your point of view (shared by the ladies of The View) that it was “extremeists” and not “Muslims” who attacked us.”
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    No, I understood you perfectly. The conservative opposition to Cordoba House has been, primarily, that “Muslims” attacked the US and opening the mosque that’s not actually a mosque two blocks from ground zero would be disrespectful to… someone. One of the counter arguments has been that it wasn’t “Muslims” that attacked us on 9/11, it was “Muslim extremists”. If you think that Whoopi Goldberg is the first person to point out this distinction then you haven’t been paying attention to the debate that’s been raging since this summer.
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    That’s primarily my point though. Saying that we were attacked by Muslims is technically correct. All of the hijackers were Muslim. They weren’t representative of all Muslims though and simply saying that we were attacked by Muslims unfairly lumps all Muslims in with the wackos that attacked us. Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols were raised as a Christian but no one claims that the Oklahoma City bombing was perpetrated by Christians even though it’s technically true. Saying that 9/11 was an attack by Muslims is about as meaningfully factual as saying that Oklahoma City was carried out by Caucasians.

  • allthingsinaname

    My guess would be no. Just throw it out there maybe it will stick. Typical

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    “NPR’s decision to fire Juan Williams not only undermines that, it shows an ignorance of the fact that radical Islam and the terrorists who murder in its name scare people of all faiths, religions, and beliefs. ”
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    I’m not a lawyer but I doubt this has anything to do with free speech. Companies are allowed to fire employees with or without cause. To their credit NPR has some intellectual standards, one of them being that employees will use reason when they report. Williams crucified reason when he implied that 1.5 billion Muslims are terrorists. Contrary to the quote above he did not refer to “radical Islam.” Using his logical fallacy I should be afraid the next time I get on a plane with a Nun or a priest, because of the IRA.
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    I really don’t see anything complicated about this case. However, I do understand why the right wants to gin it up into a major issue because manufacturing outrage is one of the things they do. They do it in replace of using reason.

  • grape_crush

    Do you read your links?
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    Too funny. And from 2004, no less.

  • asharaxx

    Ahaha, wow.
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    “Now if the left wants to know what Republicans want to cut in the budget– you just found it. It may be small but its a start.”
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    Yeah, that’s small alright. And how far away is 2 Nov? I don’t think you’re progressing at the speed required to graduate this class.

  • liberalmeltdown

    Oh brother. You equate a Mosque being built at the site of a Muslim terrorist attack, with free speech. A Mosque that is proposed by someone that supports Hamas and Hezbollah and an organization that supports terrorism around the globe, CAIR.
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    People are sick of your pathetic attempt to twist real threats into, oh you shouldn’t worry about that. If you do, you are just a bigot. It’s a ridiculous argument made by ignorant liberals.
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    Why are you so afraid of having a conversation about terrorism and terrorists? You want to pretend that they don’t exist and maybe they will go away. You want to pretend that many Muslims around the world and here in the US support terrorism. You keep repeating like parrots that not all Muslims are terrorists. No kidding. That doesn’t change the fact that until the Muslims stand up and stop terrorism, they are giving a silent blessing to it. To not condemn a great evil in your own religion, to turn a blind eye, is to endorse it. Because, it’s obvious that it will and has continued, and will escalate unless you do something. We need to have a conversation and get Muslims to widely condemn terrorism. If they don’t then we have a very large problem, and you don’t fix problems like this by sweeping them under the PC carpet while attacking anyone that dares to breach the subject. It’s time to stop hiding under your bed and wishing away the bogey man.

  • nflfoghorn

    “…F[l]ox…only has conservative [h]osts for the evening commentary programs. Absolutely that is true. Are [the] hosts more conservative than they are liberal? Absolutely true. Is that the reason I watch F[l]ox rather than the lame stream media or the cable liberal news shows? Absolutely.”
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    Are you smarter than a third-grader? ABSOLUTELY. [snicker]:)

  • nflfoghorn

    Colmes is laughing his butt off somewhere.

  • uniquelychristianthinker

    Perhaps you are correct and I haven’t been paying attention closely enough this summer becuase the “Muslims vs Extremists” argument still sounds truly bizarre to me.
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    re:”Saying that 9/11 was an attack by Muslims is about as meaningfully factual as saying that Oklahoma City was carried out by Caucasians”. The meaning lies in the fact that the 9/11 attacks occurred because of the perpetrators belief in Islam whereas the Ok. City attack did not occur primarily becuase McVeigh was Caucasian. It’s about motivation.
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    The two examples that have lately been cited to a ridiculous degree (Ok City and Olympic Bomber) do not primarily identify themselves as Christian nor give Christianity as a motive for their attacks.
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    I read a different post of yours that refers “a very small radical, violent subset of Muslims.” unfortunately, while I don’t believe this applies to any appreciable number of American Muslims, various reliable sources use similar phrases to describe millions of Muslims in other countries. The evidence of Islamic terrorism in the past 30 years really does disprove the theory that “Islam is no more of a violent religion than Christianity is” (unless we want to go way back to the crusades which were a mess from every angle).
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    While it is absolutely necessary to make a distinction between those who practice Militant Islam and those who practice Peaceful Islam, it brings no progress to deny the existence, history, extent or volatility of Muslim fundamentalism in the world.

  • nflfoghorn

    “It is sort of like playing the game, King of the Hill. Whoever becomes more liberal or conservative gets to hold the moniker in their hand which lays claim for their ideology. ‘I am the most Conservative’….or, ‘I am the most Liberal’”
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    Hank and Peggy didn’t appreciate that one.

  • liberalmeltdown

    Free, you might add who is building it. A supporter of terrorists wants to build a victory Mosque at the site of a Muslim battle.

  • liberalmeltdown

    And to the liberal bigots on here, you might want to practice what you preach and change your ignorant statements to “some” Republicans, or a “few” or what “I consider to be a Republican: anyone to the right of the far left.”

  • allthingsinaname

    You know, on second thought I usually don’t read his links either.

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    Glennzilla writes, at some length, that it is indeed because NPR “shows an ignorance of the fact that radical Islam and the terrorists who murder in its name scare people of all faiths, religions, and beliefs” that there is such a hue and cry.

    http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/10/22/muslims/index.html

    Except, of course, this not a fact. As Glenn points out, many more people died of intestinal troubles while traveling than were killed by terrorists, islamic or otherwise.

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    Demint tweets:
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    “I’ll introduce legislation to end taxpayer funding for NPR & PBS.”
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    Television is 3/4s of the CPB budget.

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    I long ago learned to click through.The summary often doesn’t have much to do with what the link actually says. It’s a standard rightist trick. Jon Henke is especially good at it. His tweeted links don’t say what the tweets say, frequently.

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    Just out of curiosity, do you know anyone who practices islam? Have you ever been in a mosque? Is there a mosque where you live?

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    Williams is the kind of liberal the right loves, spineless and wimpy. A liberal that just lies there and smiles as an ignorant, right-wing hack wipes his feet on him as he tortures all the rules of logic and proper thinking. Engaging in hasty generalizations is the kind of thing a propagandist does, not a serious journalist. He must have been trying to garner some brownie points with his right-wing masters at Fox or he truly is ignorant?

  • hippooath

    Its not a mosque anyways so there’s no issue and ironically while you’re getting your briefs in a twist they’re already there praying. It’s a community center modelled after a jewish community center.

  • http://gum0nshoe.wordpress.com gumOnShoe

    Free, you might add who is building it. A supporter of terrorists wants to build a victory Mosque at the site of a Muslim battle.

    Fine, I’ll admit not all republicans are as idiotic as you, but I won’t apologize to you or freep because of the extremely bigoted & moronic comments like the one above. The two of you are most definitely hypocrites, and as I predicted you didn’t like what you heard.
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    I wonder if I could get some of those imaginary points. I’d like to spend them on saving a cute animal’s life somewhere.

  • freeinpa

    NYT was not worth reading for free let alone charging for bird cage liner

  • squirmz

    ick. i just noticed you mentioned the one famous person I went to high school with, Rachel Ray. You can vilify her all you want!

  • freeinpa

    As always when liberals get caught its much about nothing but worthy of Congressional hearings if there is even the hint of some untoward behavior against liberal dogma.
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    Arrogance and stupidity wrapped in hypocrisy

  • allthingsinaname
  • np042

    Further more, did you know that one of the supposed funders of the mosque, Prince Alwaleed bin-Talal, (Saudi Prince) who supposedly has connections to violent wahhabist organizations, also owns the second largest portion of shares of News Corp, aka the parent company of Fox News? If we follow logic, (tough, I know) Fox News makes money from ads, gives whatever percentage to News Corp, who pays its shareholders, one of which is the aforementioned Prince. He supposedly gives money to potential terrorist organizations. Therefor, following the money, Fox News supports terrorists. Ever “Real American”(tm) should boycott Fox News immediately.

  • liberalmeltdown

    Why don’t you go to Iran and introduce yourself.

  • m0mentom0ri

    uniquelychristianthinker, Eric Rudolph was raised in The Christian Identity movement and considers himself a soldier in a Christian war against abortionists. While he doesn’t adhere to a specific denomination, his background and behavior is that of a Christian extremist.
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    Religious extremism is bad no matter what denomination. Nor is any denomination immune to fanatical behavior. It doesn’t even have to be “my God vs your Giod”. How long were Protestants fighting Catholics in Ireland? Or Shia vs Sunni?
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    To claim all Muslims are terrorists is the same as saying all Christians are terrorists. To say there are no Christian terrorists is the same as saying there are no Muslim terrorists. Every religion it seems (except maybe the Buddhists) has a very small faction that is bent on violence as an answer to theological conflict.

  • http://teacherreaderwriter.wordpress.com/ Shakespeare in GA

    Jesus Christ. My guess is that Sarah Palin will now campaign for this clown.
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    When McCain lost the presidential election, he gave a fairly classy speech conceding defeat. Which is what you do when you lose an election. And if you don’t like the results, go vote next time. Broden sounds as if he would have had McCain arm his obviously pissed-off supporters and ride on Washington.
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    It’s like America is turning into a bully-ridden playground. Forget the GOP being the Party of No. People like Broden want it to become the Party of Armed Revolt.

  • http://teacherreaderwriter.wordpress.com/ Shakespeare in GA

    Oh brother. You equate a Mosque being built at the site of a Muslim terrorist attack, with free speech.
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    See, this is the problem everyone is referencing in posts above. It was not simply a Muslim terrorist attack. In fact, bin Laden and KSM, both radical Islamists, WANT us to see it as a Muslim act. Because that would feed into their desire for a worldwide conflict between Muslims and non-Muslims.
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    So congrats on supporting the bin Laden-KSM world view. It’s America. You can do that. Even though it makes you absolutely, if unwittingly, complicit in the worldview of radical Islamists. Well played.
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    Why are you so afraid of having a conversation about terrorism and terrorists? You want to pretend that they don’t exist and maybe they will go away.
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    Actually, why are you so afraid of having this conversation? Most liberals I know would welcome it. We’re having this right here, on this blog. And your responses swing from condescending to dismissive.
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    You want to pretend that many Muslims around the world and here in the US support terrorism.
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    Um, no. That’s what you want to pretend.
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    You keep repeating like parrots that not all Muslims are terrorists. No kidding. That doesn’t change the fact that until the Muslims stand up and stop terrorism, they are giving a silent blessing to it.
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    Good point. Which is one of the stated reasons for the Cordoba House–to promote interfaith exchange, to show a different kind of Islam from the radical jihadist kind we see via bin Laden and KSM, and to suggest that radical Islam is a tiny, poisoned offshoot. So, in other words, the Cordoba House could give moderate Muslims a place from which to denounce radical Islam, in a symbolically potent place.
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    Plus, there’s already a practicing mosque near Ground Zero, that’s been there (if I recall correctly) since the Twin Towers were built.

  • http://teacherreaderwriter.wordpress.com/ Shakespeare in GA

    Why don’t you go to Iran and introduce yourself.
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    Seriously? That’s your response?

  • Paul-no not that one
  • grape_crush

    That doesn’t change the fact that until the Muslims stand up and stop terrorism, they are giving a silent blessing to it.
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    Interesting. So what are you going to do about this:

    White powder delivered in an swastika-covered envelope to the Tucson, Ariz., office of Rep. Raul Grijalva is a toxic substance, the Democratic congressman said the FBI told him Thursday afternoon.
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    It was not confirmed exactly what substance was mailed to Grijalva’s offices, located at the 800 block of East 22nd Street, NBC affiliate KVOA reported.
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    A staff member called Tucson Police earlier Thursday after finding an envelope containing the suspicious white powder. The offices were locked down by Tucson Police, and the FBI arrived to assist in the investigation, KVOA said.
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    An envelope arrived with swastikas drawn on the outside and a white powdery substance on the inside, Adam Sarvana, Grijalva’s spokesman, told the Arizona Daily Star newspaper.
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    It’s not the first time his office has been the target of threats, the Daily Star said.
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    Grijalva received death threats in April, shortly after SB1070, the anti-illegal-immigrant law, was signed. He called for a boycott in response. He closed his Tucson and Yuma offices as a result of the threats, the Daily Star said.
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    In July, after he called off the boycott, staffers found a bullet and a shattered window inside his Yuma office, the Daily Star said.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39787426/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

  • arartteacher

    Man now I feel bad i tried to watch FOX news last night(it made my head hurt) does that mean i support terrorists.

  • husein11

    Everyone knows that the reason why liberals are so supportive of the mosque is that they have a few things in common with the builders: they are supportive of terrorists and a hatred of the United States.

  • husein11

    No. You support terrorists because you and the rest of the liberals have a hatred for the United States and are just hoping and praying for another 9/11 which you believe was “chickens coming home to roost” and just retribution to the evil U.S.

  • apr2563

    Derek, that is why Fox loved him so. He was their resident shill that Bret Hume and others could snear at and condescend to and eventually he would agree.
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    I think it amusing that he is join his fellow Foxees asking for NPR defunding when he received a paycheck from them for years with no qualms.

  • apr2563

    Great catch Paul. I’m not sure that some of the enlightened commentators will recognize the irony of one of the 9/11 participants dressed in western garb.

  • apr2563

    http://www.npr.org/blogs/ombudsman/2009/02/juan_williams_npr_and_fox_news_1.html
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    Statement by NPR ombudsman from 2009 giving some history to the on going complaints about Williams.

  • apr2563
  • liberalmeltdown

    You just continue the attack the messenger strategy.
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    The Imam behind the Mosque is supposed to be a moderate, but he’s not, despite what the left tries to portrait him as.
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    There is evidence that Muslims here and around the world support terrorism.
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    http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN2244293620070522
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    You want to pretend that many Muslims around the world and here in the US support terrorism.
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    Um, no. That’s what you want to pretend…
    Sorry typo, should have read:
    You want to pretend that many Muslims around the world and here in the US do not support terrorism.
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    I know people that live in or have lived in Muslim nations where they are not free to practice another religion other than Islam. Their people have been persecuted by Muslims for hundreds of years. I know that states that adopt Muslim law are the most oppressive nations on the planet. I know that Sharia law imposes the death penalty for being gay, also for Apostasy. I know that there have been honor killings here in the US. I know that there is a significant percent of Muslims that would like to have Sharia law imposed here.
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam

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    What do you know?

  • liberalmeltdown

    “the irony of one of the 9/11 participants dressed in western garb.”
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    And what does that mean to you, April?

  • Ivy_B

    I just learned about this this morning and then was out all day. I did take a moment this morning to comment on the npr blog, however. It was very funny to see so many people who, in the words of one commenter wouldn’t be able to find an NPR station on the dial, speak up so vehemently in support of Williams.

    As far as I’m concerned, they waited too long. He has been sliding in right wing talking points for years as supposed news. That would be fine if he were in the position of a commenter on the right, but he wasn’t. He was first a correspondent, but then moved from that to analyst after repeatedly being warned about inappropriate comments on Fox. Now, the final straw. It’s about time.

    When Mara Liasson was covering Bill Clinton on NPR, you could actually hear the contempt in her voice – particularly a couple of times she spoke with Cokie Roberts about him. I was not surprised to see that she was a Fox commenter, but I think she’s smarter than Williams and better able to walk the line of the standards.

  • apr2563

    liberalmeltdow???, I guess you are one of those that doesn’t get the irony. It would be pointless to try to explain to you the meanings of irony and hypocrisy summed up in one picture.

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    No husein11 I support logic and critical thinking, neither of which have anything to do with anti-Americanism. I oppose the kind of irrationality that you just engaged in, leveling vicious accusations without a single shred of evidence to support any of them. Not all of us devote ourselves to ignorance and maligning logic.

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    apr2563 if he had any integrity as an objective reporter at all he wouldn’t be working at Fox, which is clearly an instrument of right-wing propaganda and not a news organization.

  • husein11

    Derek, you certainly are ignorant. If you think describing you accurately is malignant then that speaks even further about you and the rest of the liberal America haters.

  • liberalmeltdown

    It’s liberalmeltdown, april.

  • diecash1

    Derek, you certainly are ignorant. If you think describing you accurately is malignant then that speaks even further about you and the rest of the liberal America haters.

    Seriously, what does it take to get a better class of trolls around here? Jacka$$es like husein11 are just flat-out ignorant and incapable of engaging in rational and reasoned discussion.

  • artraveler

    charlie, some NPR stations took major funding hits because the network had the nerve to have some “Palestine spokespeople” on a show about the towns being built by Isreali settlers. Yes, it works in more than one direction but when 90% of your funding is people voluntarily giving up their money, they seem to think they have veto rights.

    Not having Huckabuck and Palin on NPR programs (and he already refused to anser a question from the local station) is a major gain. He still owes the Arkansas people an explanation of why he had the hard drives of state computers destroyed upon leaving office in violation of the state’s record keeping laws.

  • sacredh

    Juan Williams was one of the reasons I quit listening to NPR. He gets fired and then Fake News picks him up for more money. What a shock.

  • sacredh

    It does make me wonder if Juan wasn’t hoping for something like this all along. He wets his feet with Fox, gets warned several times, gets fired, Fox hires him right away and he gets to pretend his rights as an impartial journalist were so compromised that he has to go to the only place where the “truth” gets told to practice his profession. The sheep that watch Fox are getting a real class act.

  • liberalmeltdown

    Not big on nuance yourself charlie. “The right” is the same type of characterization of a group that you comments accuse others of doing. Mirror meet charlie.

  • liberalmeltdown

    If you think what Juan Williams said was bigoted, Bill Mahre should make your little brains explode:


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    But, that’s different he’s a liberal.

  • apr2563
  • herby002

    ricardo,

    Would you like to cite examples of any/all of the crimes of which you accuse Mr. Williams?
    ….
    ….
    …..

    Be careful now. You don’t want to make any statements that you’ll have to backtrack on when Fox starts pumping him up as its newest conservative star.
    After all, they’ll decide, then you’ll have to parrot (uh, I mean report.).

  • liberalmeltdown

    I assume that you want to shut Maher up also, since he shares the same opinion.
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    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/bill-maher-defends-bill-oreilly
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    Maher first brought up the subject of the kerfuffle on The View (as pop culture history books are certain to refer to it) while speaking with guest Al Sharpton. He later readdressed the issue while speaking to his panel of guests, which included John Legend, Markos Moulitsas, and Dana Loesch.. Maher asked “Why is there an outrage? Muslims did attack us on 9/11.”

  • liberalmeltdown

    This was five months ago. I believe Bill Maher still has his job. Don’t you want him fired? Boycott HBO? Your cable company? Throw your TV away…LMAO.
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    http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/291697
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    Maher added that when he jokes about the Pope or rabbis they don’t threaten him or physically assault him. Cooper proceeded to ask him why a lot of people in the United States and other Western countries censor themselves from joking about Islam
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    “Because they’re violent. Because they threaten us, and they are threatening. They bring that desert stuff to our world. I said the same thing Friday night. You know, we don’t threaten each other; we sue each other. And, and they don’t.” responded Maher. “You know, yes, we do have religious nuts in this country. There was a cleric in Iran who recently said that earthquakes were caused by slutty women. Well, Pat Robertson once said that abortions caused hurricanes, I think. But the difference is Pat Robertson doesn’t have the power to cut your arms off.”
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    Cooper asked Maher if he believed it when people say majority of American Muslims frown upon terrorism and violence and that Islam is a religion of peace.
    “Yes, they blow you up. There’s a piece of you over there. There’s a piece of you over there. There’s a piece of you over there,” Maher said. Adding that he doesn’t know if it’s a religion of peace because he has not read the Koran in its original format but said when you read the translation there are “many, many, many passages that are not peaceful at all.”
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  • herby002

    Not too long, then they’ll get distracted by the next “great white hope” (phrasing intentional).
    Remember when Arnold Schwartzenegger was elected Republican Governor of California?
    As a naturalized citizen of the US, but born in Austria, he was not eligible to be the President of the US, but a bunch of Republicans immediately raised a hue & cry to have the US Constitution amended so as to allow him to run.
    That campaign petered out when Arnold turned out to be a more moderate Republican governor than they had hoped; matter of fact, “real” Teapublicans revel in calling him a RINO.

    Such is fame.

  • herby002

    4.1 – ricardo,
    “Whoops, you can’t say “colored listeners’ ” (copied from your post) on this blog. Ms. Schiller will fire you!”

    That was just nasty – but what is expected from such as you.

  • herby002

    This was five months ago. I believe Bill Maher still has his job. Don’t you want him fired? Boycott HBO? Your cable company? Throw your TV away…LMAO.

    No. No. No. Can’t afford to.
    Besides, I watch PBS on the TV for REAL news and a variety of opinions. You neglected to ask if I intend to throw my radio away. I am proud to say that I listen to NPR for REAL news and a variety of opinions.

    You should try it.

    By the way, what’s your point?

  • liberalmeltdown

    There’s no point discussing anything with you herby. Enjoy the droning tones of NPR.

  • hippooath

    I think the point is that liberalmeltdown don’t know the difference between comedy and news; after all righties like Fox – which is 100 percent infotainment and punditry.

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    “Derek, you certainly are ignorant. If you think describing you accurately is malignant then that speaks even further about you and the rest of the liberal America haters.”
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    The empirical evidence seems to be pointing in a different direction but I would certainly be willing to respond to any rational objections you may have. Do you have any or should I just guess as to what I said that is ignorant and why?

  • perrywhite1

    I was tired of this story five seconds after I first heard it, and the predictable faux outrage from the right has only enervated me further.
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    For the record: This is not a First Amendment issue. Juan Williams has a First Amendment right to say what he wants, but he doesn’t have a First Amendment right to having a platform to say it. That platform, which is owned by NPR, is a matter of employment — and as all good capitalists know, an employer may terminate an employee any time that employee is determined to be detrimental to their business. NPR made that evaluation, rightly or wrongly, and have every right to terminate their employee.
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    Further, if I had said any of the things Juan Williams had said, I would have been terminated without anyone giving it a second thought. As an employee of a news organization, my contract says I am considered a representative of said organization at all times, even in my private life or second jobs, and must give the appearance of neutrality — I’m not even allowed to have a political bumper sticker on my car. (Thus my pseudonym here.) Undoubtedly Juan Williams has similar clauses in his contract, as this is fairly universal in the news business.
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    There’s nothing to see here. Move along, Johnny.

  • liberalmeltdown

    Very nice. So you cannot discuss an issue without going through the left’s PC filter, which of course changes constantly (hence the pass for Bill Maher whose show is political commentary and discussions) and is only applied to those that no longer toe the line. If you a black or minority, or a woman and you don’t follow the script that George Soros and Media Matters and NPR have written for you, you no longer are wanted and need to be silenced. In fact you are now a target for their attacks.
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    As for the appearance of neutrality, taking 2 million from Soros blows the cover off of any phony appearance of neutrality. Everyone knows that NPR is left wing. Why do think that all the leftists on this blog listen to it? Duh.
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    You just make yourself look like the phony that you are Perry, by a pathetic attempt to justify the left’s constant demonization tactics.
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    Williams has been a commentator and annalist on Fox for several years, since NPR allowed him to continue to comment for years, they have effectively waved their clause, if they had one.

  • diecash1

    If you a black or minority, or a woman and you don’t follow the script that George Soros and Media Matters and NPR have written for you, you no longer are wanted and need to be silenced. In fact you are now a target for their attacks.

    What’s this? Yet another “conservative” playing the race card? This is a laugh riot! You need a new playbook, maybe something based in reality, you know, something that contains those nebulous facts you’re always hearing about.

    Everyone knows that NPR is left wing

    Riiiiiight…….that’s why 2 out of 3 political guest on NPR are Repubs.

    Why do think that all the leftists on this blog listen to it?

    Perhaps it’s because NPR, unlike Fox and various other sources, has actual fact-based news coverage. IIRC, NPR listeners were the most informed and Fox viewers the least informed.

    annalist

    Freudian slip or do you know something we don’t?

    since NPR allowed him to continue to comment for years, they have effectively waved their clause, if they had one.

    So what, you’re a labor lawyer now? Well, you’re about as good at that as you are discussing the issues. Perhaps it’s your brain that melted down and that’s what your moniker is trying to convey.

  • sasquatch08

    @m0mentom0ri
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    I’ll break this down and make it really simple for everyone here: if you believe in an invisible man (or woman) who lives in the sky and watches you every second of every day you’re a moron, crazy or both.
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    Religion is nothing more than a mental illness that is so widespread that it’s accepted. Muslims and Christians both say they “talk to God” and they believe He speaks back to them. That is a hallmark sign of Schizophrenia, we commit people to psychiatric wards for saying things like that unless they go to Church or Mosque.
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    Believing that said invisible man told you it was OK to kill people is going even a step further, into the realm of “murderous insanity”.
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    Religion is dangerous, period. Telling people they possess the ultimate truth will always lead to murder in the name of God, people who go on literal witch hunts, burn people at the stake or people who walk around yelling “THANK GOD FOR AIDS/DEAD SOLDIERS” at military funerals like it’s freaking cool.
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    You have the right to believe anything you want, it doesn’t make you sane or correct.

  • liberalmeltdown

    I rest my case:
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    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/6/6/91628/79727/966/530927
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    Juan Williams, a 21st Century Uncle Tom some say

    by Ministerbruce

    Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 06:21:06 AM PDT
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  • diecash1

    I rest my case:

    So some bs link and video from over two years ago has exactly what to do with his firing? Precisely nothing.
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    I stand by my previous commentary in 36.2.
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    Case dismissed due to blatant stupidity on your part.

  • sasquatch08

    Here’s my 2 cents on this issue:
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    Personally I always liked Williams, because while I regularly disagreed with what he said he said it in a reasonable tone, he usually had some sort of logic to back it up and he was just generally a nice sort of person. He didn’t scream, he didn’t accuse those who disagreed with him of being insane, racists, bigots or personally attack them in an attempt to discredit them (a common liberal and conservative tactic).
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    Now was NPR right to fire him? Probably not, they took what he said totally out of context and used it as an excuse. Is this a freedom of speech issue: maybe. None of us have seen his contract, but unless they used something specific in it to fire him they’re in hot legal water simply because they do take public funding. It doesn’t matter if it’s 0.000001% of their budget or 10%, they still take public money. But as I said, none of us have seen his contract, so debating this is pointless.
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    What truly bothered me about this wasn’t simply that they fired him it was that NPR’s president then saw fit to personally attack Williams after he was fired, going so far are to suggest that he might need to talk to a psychiatrist, which is obviously code for “he’s crazy/unstable/nuts/dangerous”. That sort of personal attack to add insult to injury is not necessary and only serves to make NPR look bad.
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    Now is NPR non-biased. No. They used to be fairly well balanced, but just like CNN I had to stop listening to their programming because somewhere around 2006-2008 they started having a real leftist bent that I don’t like, so I vote with my ears/eyes/feet and don’t partake anymore. That said, I think it’s clear that at least the upper management of NPR is hard left, especially in the wake of this incident.
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    This just goes to prove beyond a doubt that the left and the right are both a bunch of retards. You either agree with them 100% on everything and tow the line or you get personally attacked and they try to get you fired, 99.9999% just isn’t good enough. While I am a fan of neither of the following men, the attacks against them are despicable: there are many on the right, including some advocacy groups that have tried very hard to get Keith Olberman fired, while mediamatters has incessantly attacked Glenn Beck to try to get him off the air.
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    Both attacking sides are un-American. They idea “I don’t agree so just SHUT UP, or we will shut you up!” is totally contrary to the very founding principles of this country. Whatever happened to “I disagree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it?”
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    This is one of the reason’s I don’t like some of you lefties and righties on here: Calling people liars, racists or bigots for disagreeing with you on policy is the last refuge of an unimaginative and poorly disciplined person who lacks any skill in presenting his argument while simultaneously lacking any tact or self-respect.
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    Same goes for saying “well he’s not really a liberal and he should have been fired”. No imagination and no tolerance. Just like the morons in France in the mid 1990′s trying to claim the USSR wasn’t “really communist” because if it had truly been communist everything would have worked out perfectly, the country would have been a paradise with unicorns and rainbows and everyone in the world would have wanted to move there. Pure malarkey.

  • liberalmeltdown

    I forgot I have to spell everything out to liberals, because they are slow. I am saying that the left plays the race card (ala Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton), and when someone of color steps out of line they attack that person. As I demonstrated in 36.3.
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    I am not a big fan of Juan Williams. I think that he was simply discussing bias, and his comments were taken out of context and used as an excuse to fire him.
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    NPR and the left does not like FOX News. They didn’t like Williams being on Fox, but they did nothing until George Soros drops $2,000,000 into there lay and viola, they take William’s comments out of context and use them as an excuse to fire him.
    .
    Again, I use Maher to illustrate your hypocrisy. You can’t even bring yourself to comment on what Maher said. Those that do tap dance around trying to justify that it’s different. OF COURSE, it’s always different for those that aren’t on the PC hit list. Frankly, I don’t care what Maher said. He’s an idiot. I don’t think he should be fired. I don’t like all the PC BS, because the left uses it to silence and intimidate.
    .
    And you know that if a Republican commentator had made those remarks on 36.3 about Williams, Jesse Jackson would be on his front porch. And you also know that if Williams had said, “when I see a Teabagger dressed in a funny hat, I get nervous” nobody would even blink. And, I am sure that this last comment is the only one that you will respond to.

  • liberalmeltdown

    Correction:

    They didn’t like Williams being on Fox, but they did nothing until George Soros drops $2,000,000 into their lap and viola, they take William’s comments out of context and use them as an excuse to fire him.

  • liberalmeltdown

    Furthermore the Williams firing illustrates how intolerant and far left the rabid liberal base has become. Williams is a moderate liberal, but gets attacked and eaten by the rabid dog leftists, who constantly call others intolerant. They have shown what a joke they are.

  • diecash1

    Look, I realize you’re a bit “challenged” but you really need to take a step back here. I don’t care one way or the other about the terminating of William’s contract and this entire ordeal is a faux controversy ginned up by people like yourself. Williams had routinely violated NPR’s rules of conduct and this, apparently, was the last straw for them. Again, so what.

    I am saying that the left plays the race card (ala Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton), and when someone of color steps out of line they attack that person.

    That clip was a two year-old steaming pile of crap that had nothing to do with the current events. Precisely where has anything like that happened in this farcical drama?

    Again, I use Maher to illustrate your hypocrisy. You can’t even bring yourself to comment on what Maher said.

    My hypocrisy? You’re delirious. Again, you fail to understand the problem with your comparison. It’s apples and oranges. Maher is a comedian with a show that discusses politics. He hasn’t violated any of his employer’s policies and, as such, still has his job.
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    It’s obvious you haven’t the first clue about much of anything given your comments on a myriad of subjects across this blog. You just keep on blaming some mythical Soros-inspired “leftist” conspiracy for all of your perceived problems. Get back to us when you actually have some intelligent commentary.

  • sasquatch08

    The room for moderates in the Democratic Party evaporated somewhere near the turn of the millennium, and the same thing is starting in the Republican party.
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    While I agree with a lot of the Tea Party type people statements on debt, spending, taxes etc, some of the real hardcore social conservatives scare me just as much as the Socialists and Commies on the left.
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    Of course you don’t have to be a total right wing nutjob to be a Republican or even a Tea Partier but groups like mediamatters will try to paint everyone with the social conservative brush.

  • sasquatch08

    @diecash:
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    You yourself miss a very important point here. If Juan Williams repeatedly and flagrantly broke NPR’s rules they should have fired him after just a few offenses. Allowing him to continue on voids their argument.
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    Legally you can’t overlook part of a contract for years (ie JW making political commentary on Fox under the NPR banner) and then suddenly decide to enforce the contract. Any court in the land will rule that NPR negated that portion of the contract by allowing Juan Williams to do what he was doing for years before selectively choosing to enforce it once he said something CAIR didn’t like and gave NPR heat for.
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    Unless there is some very specific language in Mr. Williams contract regarding what he could and couldn’t say he has a humdinger of a lawsuit against NPR which he will most likely win should he choose to file.

  • diecash1

    the same thing is starting in the Republican party.

    You’ve got to be kidding! There has been an ongoing purge within the Repub party for over 10 years. Hell, given the current state of the party, Reagan would have been excommunicated. The Democratic party has been the “big tent” party for some time. Notice how Ben Nelson and Al Franken both belong to the same party.

    Socialists and Commies on the left

    Obviously you’ve consumed too many right-wing talking points if you believe the left to be populated with “Socialists and Commies.”

  • diecash1

    Unless there is some very specific language in Mr. Williams contract

    Since neither of us has any specific information about his contract, we’ll just have to wait and see what happens. BTW, no one is arguing that NPR handled this well; they didn’t. Feel free to read the statement of NPR’s ombudsman:
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    http://www.npr.org/blogs/ombudsman/2009/02/juan_williams_npr_and_fox_news_1.html

  • sasquatch08

    No one said you said anything.
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    The point that liberalmeltdown is making is that George Soros is and undeniably FAR left guy who donated a lot money to NPR and given the proximity of the two events (donation and Juan’s firing) it could appear to some that Soros was buying influence at NPR, or that NPR felt they owed Soros something so they got rid of Juan.
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    Call it a whatever you like, but it does seem odd to some.
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    Also liberalmeltdown is exagerating the amount of money. It was $1.8 million, not $2 million.

  • sasquatch08

    “You’ve got to be kidding! There has been an ongoing purge within the Repub party for over 10 years. Hell, given the current state of the party, Reagan would have been excommunicated. The Democratic party has been the “big tent” party for some time. Notice how Ben Nelson and Al Franken both belong to the same party.”
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    Republican’s have had problems, no doubt. But they haven’t been castigating their own members and supporters the way that Democrats have been doing. In the last month I have seen 3 former Clinton aides say that Clinton couldn’t get elected by the Democrats now because he wasn’t far enough to the left and that there’s no longer any room for moderates left of the aisle. But I’m sure that they are just shills for the Republicans and were secretly trying to bring down the Clinton Administration from the inside.
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    Call it a big tent all you want, but that big tent mostly marches in lockstep once they get to Congress (as do Republicans) and the leadership is pretty lefty. So far so that more than 60% of Americans don’t like their policies and Congress has an approval rating of less than 20%.
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    “Obviously you’ve consumed too many right-wing talking points if you believe the left to be populated with “Socialists and Commies.”"
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    See diecash this is exactly what I’ve been talking about. Just like NPR you twist my words and then basically accuse me of being crazy (let’s be honest for you “right-wing”=crazy). If you ever read one of my posts you would see me bashing the Republicans just as much as the Democrats. Maybe you missed the fact that the first HALF of that sentence was a statement against social conservatives.
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    There ARE Socialists and Commies inside your “big tent”. There are. There’s no denying that. Who does Socialistworker.org, SDS and The American Communist Party support? It sure isn’t Republicans and we’ve got a two party system in this country. They were all there on the Mall a few weeks back singing praises and endorsements to Obama who endorsed them right back. You’ve even got a couple people running for Congress, one in the North East who are avowed socialists.
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    Are the vast majority of Democrats Socialists or Pinko’s? No. Did I say that they were? No. Is the far left mainly made up of them? Absolutely, it’s a fact. Does the far left like Harry Reid or Nancy Pelosi support socialist ideals? Yup. Call it “single payer” or “universal” health care, it’s all a government run European Socialist style of medical system which has been proven not to work. Did you totally take that statement out of context and try to make it into something that it wasn’t ever intended to be? Sure did.
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    To be fair on the right side of the aisle there are some racists and probably a Fascist or two, but they haven’t spent the last two years in leadership positions ramming through bills the country doesn’t want, saying “you’ll like it once we do it” then blaming the minority party when things go wrong.
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    Try telling your girlfriend or wife that she should try it in the backdoor and when she says “no” say something like “you’ll like it once I do it” and then force yourself on her. See what happens. Then when she calls the cops or beats the hell out of you blame your neighbor who didn’t have the power to stop you.

  • diecash1

    Just like NPR you twist my words and then basically accuse me of being crazy

    I didn’t “twist” anything. Those were your words, not mine. I merely restated what you said. You attempted to make some sort of false equivalence between the “hardcore social conservatives” on the right and “Socialists and Commies” on the left and it’s crap. There may be some very small percentage of “Socialists and Commies” within the fringes of the Democratic party but the “hardcore social conservatives” hold sway over a large portion of the modern Repub party. Your comparison was entirely flawed. Furthermore, trying to intimate that the current leaders of the Democratic party are somehow “liberal” or far left is also ridiculous. If so, perhaps they would have actually tried to pass single payer health care, real financial reform and ended the wars. Alas, they attempted none of those.

    Call it a big tent all you want, but that big tent mostly marches in lockstep once they get to Congress

    Really? Is that why there was so much infighting among Democrats during the health care debate? Certainly if they were all marching in lockstep, as you believe, they would have steamrolled the Repubs on virtually every issue. In fact, Democratic infighting is what kept them from getting more done.

  • herby002

    7.1 – ricardo,

    Isn’t there an age minimum for this blog?

    - Yes. Adult. Do you qualify”

    Isn’t there an IQ minimum for this blog?

    - Yes. Do you qualify?

    Isn’t there a morality minimum for this blog?

    - Yes. Do you qualify?

    Isn’t there an ethical minimum for this blog?

    - Yes. Do you qualify?

    Isn’t there a logical thinking minimum for this blog?

    - Yes. Do you qualify?

    Isn’t there a politeness minimum for this blog?

    - Yes. Do you qualify?

  • liberalmeltdown

    diecash let me get this straight, In your opinion you can offer up an opinion that all Muslims are violent as long as you are a comedian. I get it. So, I will give you a pass, because you’re a joker also.
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    The clip and the link show exactly what I said. Blacks and minorities that step off the reservation are attacked. This didn’t start yesterday. Where have you been? Under a rock? You’ve never heard of the terms: Oreo, Uncle Tom, Sell out, and those are the nicer ones.
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    Are being intentionally dense, or it this the way you are? I’m thinking it’s the latter.

  • liberalmeltdown

    diecash, all you have done is twist and dodge.
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    I can’t stand the PC police. How can we have a real conversation about terrorism, politics, racial issues, etc., if one side constantly wants to shut down anybody that disagrees with them? I see this happen constantly from the left. Statements taken out of context are used to demonize the opponent, to shut them up. That’s what happened with Williams. If you find the whole clip, he goes on to talk about how we shouldn’t discriminate. That’s where NPR is in trouble.
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    I can’t stand Olberman, never even liked him when he was a sports reporter with the same elitist tone. But, he should stay one the air as an example of how looney he and his followers are.
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    This kind of behavior like walking out on a guest, or shutting down a speaker simply because you don’t agree is not getting it anymore. People want a discussion. Frankly, I don’t see that on any MSM show, not a discussion that allows both sides to present views.
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    Politicians don’t want a discussion, they just want an advantage over the opponent.
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    And yeah, I think George Soros is a sociopath, and anything he does should be questioned. This guy rounded up fellow Jews and sent them to their deaths .

    http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2010/09/06/holocaust-denial-george-soros-vs-the-tea-parties/
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    To survive, George, then a teenager, collaborated with the Nazis.

    First he worked for the Judenrat. That was the Jewish council set up by the Nazis to do their dirty work for them. Instead of the Nazis rounding up Jews every day for the trains, they delegated that murderous task to Jews who were willing to do it to survive another day at the expense of their neighbours.

    Theodore [his father] hatched a better plan for his son. He bribed a non-Jewish official at the agriculture ministry to let George live with him. George helped the official confiscate property from Jews.

    Well, okay, you’re thinking — he was fourteen. Give the guy a break. And I must admit that I — a secular Jew like Soros — have occasionally speculated about how I would have behaved in similar circumstances. And, although in my fantasy I might be a noble resistance fighter, laying my life on the line against fascism the way Primo Levi and others have described it, I certainly have no way of knowing. I might have been a sleazy collaborator myself. But I do know this: if I had done something like that just to survive, it would have haunted me the rest of my days.

    And here’s the really creepy part: not so George Soros. In a surprisingly overlooked interview with 60 Minutes‘ Steve Kroft, Soros denied guilt or second thoughts about his World War II activities.

    From Levant again:

    How does Soros feel about what he did as a teenager? Has it kept him up at night?

    Steve Kroft of 60 Minutes asked him that. Was it difficult? “Not at all,” Soros answered.

    “No feeling of guilt?” asked Kroft. “No,” said Soros. “There was no sense that I shouldn’t be there. If I wasn’t doing it, somebody else would be taking it away anyhow. Whether I was there or not. So I had no sense of guilt.”

    Somebody else would have done it. Sound familiar? It’s just the kind of excuse you might use when devaluing the British pound. A psychoanalyst might call it “splitting,” taking a part of your personality and splitting it off, as if there were two disconnected parts of you — the monster and the good citizen. The good citizen provides a mask, a disguise for the monster to do his work.

    Am I calling Soros a disturbed person? In probability, yes. A man with two sides who is all the more dangerous for having both.

  • diecash1

    In your opinion you can offer up an opinion that all Muslims are violent as long as you are a comedian.

    No, I offered no opinion on Maher’s comments. I stated that he is a comedian. Get it? He tells jokes for a living and says many things meant to inflame people during his show. You call me “dense” though you are not able to discern the difference between a comedian and a news analyst………go figure.
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    You’ve gone on some long and disjointed rant about things only tangentially related to the topic at hand and have made no credible argument yet. You keep babbling about how “minorities that step off the reservation are attacked” yet you’ve shown no evidence that this has happened to Williams in this latest event. Why don’t you try reading the NPR ombudsman’s statement regarding his termination. You may find it illuminating. Probably not though.
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    BTW, I find your long rant @ 38.5 regarding Soros entirely laughable. Soros? Yep, he’s behind it all, at least in your paranoid delusions.

  • rdw56

    “Hell, given the current state of the party, Reagan would have been excommunicated”

    This is Reagan’s party down the line. Virtually all conservatives consider themselves Reagan conservatives which basically means fiscal conservatives with low taxes for more individual freedom and a booming economy, a strong defense and strong foreign policy. Bush was NOT a Reagan conservative nor did he run as one. He was never fiscally conservative. Never intended to shrink govt and said he would expand education and medical coverage.

    We are returning to Reaganism. It’s going to be at least a two cycle GOP surge. We’ll probably add 55 House seats and get near 50 Senate seats. In 2012 we’ll get a very fiscally conservative GOP President and of the 36 Senate seats up for re-election we’ll get at least 5.

  • rdw56

    “If so, perhaps they would have actually tried to pass single payer health care, real financial reform and ended the wars.”

    Politics is the art of the possible and none of this was possible nor was cap and trade. Among Pelosi’s many mistakes was passing Cap and Trade in the house. She’s probably going to lose 20 seats on that alone and very probably West Virginia. There was never a chance it was going to pass in the Senate. It was a worthless vote.

    As far as the wars Obama’s position was always a scam and the tactic of liberals in calling Afghanistan the good war was always stupid. It was done so they didn’t appear to be sissies while opposing Iraq. How cool was it GWB wins the war in Iraq and Afghanistan heats up forcing Obama to walk his talk.

    BTW: Where he really sold out the left was on national security. He made EVERY ONE of GWBs policies such as warrantless wiretaps and rendition the alw of the land certified by both parties. He didn’t change a single policy. His decisions on Gitmo and trials in NYC were industrial strength stupid. And if you didn’t know his justice dept went to the Supreme Court to get approval to use Baghram AFB the same was Bush used Gitmo. And won!

    But that doesn’t mean he’s not far left. He is. What he is is incompetent.

  • rdw56

    NPR was braindead. They will be the cause celeb in the 2011 budget battle. Juan Williams is going to be far more visible on Fox full time than he ever was on NPR. He will have ample opportunity for paybacks. Fox will absolutely hammer the govt for any dime it sends to either PBS or NPR. Expect the CEO to be let go before next January. Suggesting Juan was crazy was a low-class cheap shot and very possibiy something Juan can take them to court on.

  • apr2563

    Why weren’t Fox and Williams outraged by the salary he received from the fedrally funded NPR all th0se years Fox employed him as a shill?
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    How many terrorists in Muslim garb have attacked in this country?
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    http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/

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