Re: Money and Politics

Joe, I agree that David Brooks wrote a thought-provoking column which forces us to step back and challenge our assumptions. I’d add another small critique to your list : Brooks argues that advertising from independent groups gets lost in the crush of ads by the candidates and parties themselves. But my sense is that the outside groups on the whole tend to traffic overwhelmingly in negative attack ads, while the candidates and parties produce quite a lot of gauzy positive “bio” spots. Update: Greg Sargent notes that a healthy proportion of this year’s third-party ads have beeen debunked as misleading or false. Again, that’s hardly uncommon for candidates and party committees, but I wonder if it might be more common for less-accountable outside groups.

But the more significant critique comes from Glenn Greenwald, who notes that Brooks strangely, and substantially, lowballed the amount some of those independent GOP groups are spending by many tens of millions of dollars. (He may also have used an apples-to-oranges comparison when demonstrating that outside money is a small fraction of overall political spending.) Nor did Brooks even mention Haley Barbour‘s Republican Governors’ Association, likely to wind up spending abut $90 million this cycle just on governors’ races. That’s got to make a difference.

One thing we should be thankful for, however, and which people rarely discuss these days: elected officials aren’t personally hitting up donors for huge cash donations anymore. The 2002 McCain-Feingold reform bill banned those “soft money” transactions, in which a senator or even the President of the United States might personally solicit a six- or even seven-million dollar donation from a megadonor for the national party. Predictions at the time that the soft money ban would simply lead to a rise in independent political groups have clearly been borne out. But at least we’ve removed the groveling by elected officials–and subsequent sense of direct indebtedness–from the equation.

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  • newfreedomblog

    “DEMS RECEIVE TWICE AS MUCH ‘FOREIGN’ PAC MONEY AS GOP”

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    While President Barack Obama and other well-known figureheads of the Democratic Party are criticizing Republicans for allegedly benefiting from “foreign donations” to conservative interest groups, a new analysis from the Center for Responsive Politics has revealed that the Democratic Party has raised more than $1 million from political action committees affiliated with foreign companies — about twice as much as the $510,000 the GOP has received from PACs on the same list.
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    The PACs at the center of the study are funded entirely by contributions from American employees of foreign companies. “This is not foreign money per-se, but these PACs are certainly populated by people who work for foreign companies,” says David Levinthal, a spokesman for the Center for Responsive Politics.
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    “Foreign companies and foreign governments can lobby Congress, and that is probably one area where they have a measurable effect on politics,” Levinthal told The Hill. “Foreign-subsidiary political action committees is about as close as you can get.”
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    In response, Republicans are crying foul, accusing the Democratic Party of hypocrisy in their criticism of groups like the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and American Crossroads, a group backed by GOP heavyweights Karl Rove and Ed Gillespie. “Barack Obama criticized the Supreme Court and his adversaries over the bogus charge of foreign money tainting elections — while leaders in his own party had taken more than a million dollars from the foreign cookie jar,” said Jonathan Collegio, a spokesman for American Crossroads. “The hypocrisy here is just stunning,” he told The Hill.”

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    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/dems-receive-twice-as-much-foreign-pac-money-as-gop/

  • astroland

    Here’s a very simple guide to reading a David Brooks column, based on years of experience:

    If Brooks ever cites a number, any kind of number, it is either:

    a) Wrong
    b) Made up

  • http://elvisberg.wordpress.com Elvis Elvisberg

    Brooks: The donors give money because it makes them feel as if they are doing good and because they get to hang out at exclusive parties.
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    Depending on Brooks’ mood, the wealthiest few percent are either massively talented innovators and superworkers, or dupes who spend tens of millions of dollars for no reason who just want to be feted with fancy people.
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    Either way, Brooks would like you to know, the status quo is pretty fantastic!!!1!

  • darius3

    “The PACs at the center of the study are funded entirely by contributions from American employees of foreign companies.”

    A pathetic attempt, newfreedomblog. Even for you.

    (Also, it doesn’t change the fact that groups like U.S. Chamber of Commerce and American Crossroads still have not disclosed where their money comes from.)

  • Paul-no not that one

    And will presented in a calm reasonable manner as to make it digestible for the Beltway.

  • darius3

    “Either way, Brooks would like you to know, the status quo is pretty fantastic!”
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    For David Brooks, it is. After all, he has a nice cushy job writing apologist drivel for the New York Times.

  • lreed580

    The PAC’s to Dems are funded entirely by U.S. employees of subsidiaries of foreign companies. ALL the contributions are made public under FEC rules and governed by the same rules American PAC’s and other PAC’s would face – in response to newfreedomblog.

    It’s the lack of disclosure by CoC and Crossroads GPS etc., that we object to and makes your claim that they are the same, false.

    And yes, Brooks certainly didn’t provide accurate numbers in his column.

  • Paul-no not that one

    I’ve never clicked the link but was curious about “The Blaze” having never heard of it until The Physician started using it as a source.
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    “The Blaze is a news, information and opinion site brought to you by Glenn Beck ”
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    I wonder if I can order survivalist food there.

  • destor23

    What’s funny about this discussion of money and politics is that the very people exploring this theme now will, 2-6 months from now, probably write items about Michael Bloomberg potentially running for president and they won’t get the irony of it.

  • m0mentom0ri

    “I wonder if I can order survivalist food there.”
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    I heard all the employees of The Blaze are paid in collectible gold coins instead of cash.
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    And Rusty, I’m glad you finally came out against foreign money being used in American campaigns. I look forward to your next post excoriating the “U.S.” Chamber of Commerce for doing so with the same vigor as you’ve used here. Unless of course, you’re a mindless party loyalist, in which case, never mind.

  • m0mentom0ri

    Damn fine point.

  • certifiablylazy

    or Meg Whitman, the health care exec from Florida, etc. etc. just this cycle. Monied folks and families have a history in politics. Hasn’t Ms Meg dropped something like $160-180 million of her own cash?

  • certifiablylazy

    @1.2, I thought the Blaze was a mag for stoners, a la High Times. Although that might explain a thing or two.

  • destor23

    Thanks guys. And cert… Would Linda McMahon have been a serious CT senate candidate without her wrestling fortune?

  • grape_crush

    But at least we’ve removed the groveling by elected officials–and subsequent sense of direct indebtedness–from the equation.

    We have?

    Regardless, I’d rather have direct indebtedness over indirect indebtedness as my corruption of choice. That way, I can more easily know who has purchased which candidate and what their asking price is.

  • textee

    Hardline, virulent, militant, red-eyed, frothing at the mouth, leftist political advocacy and lobbying groups like Time magazine, ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, CNN, A-Mess-NBC, ESPN, ESPN2, ESPN News, ESPN Classic, ESPN U, ESPN360.com, Oprah, HBO, Showtime, so-called, self-described “Comedy” Central, NPR, the New York Times-Democrat, the Washington Post-Democrat, the execrable Associated (with terrorists) Press, al Reuters, al Jazeera, al McClatchy, Sports Illustrated, Oprah, Entertainment Tonight, Extra, the Insider, Good Housekeeping, Ladies’ Home Journal, et al., spend billions and billions and billions (that’s billions with a “b”) of unlimited and unregulated dollars each year campaigning for and promoting Democrats and producing attack ads against Republican.

    We need to immediately prohibit each of said political advocacy and lobbying groups from spending more than $100 each year to produce their anti-American bilge and pay their worthless employees.

  • asharaxx

    I’ve always wondered, do you type your posts out by hand every time?

  • certifiablylazy

    I think I figured this out. His/her parents have grounded them, taken away their TV, internet, and phone privileges, and are thus mad at the world. Maybe his/her parents were hippies who loved him/her too much, so that might explain the “red eye, frothing” language.

  • Paul-no not that one

    I have to admit, throwing in all the ESPNs makes me laugh.

  • asharaxx

    It’s like a misprinted Mad Libs. Where every field says [proper noun].

  • certifiablylazy

    This link explains the communist POV of good housekeeping. It sounds foreign, so it must be bad:

    http://games.goodhousekeeping.com/games/mahjongg/

  • hippooath

    Sports Illustrated?
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    “We need to immediately prohibit each of said political advocacy and lobbying groups from spending more than $100 each year to produce their anti-American bilge and pay their worthless employees.”
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    As soon as you’re onboard doing the same for everyone else including Rush Limbaught and Glenn Beck. Deal?

  • Ivy_B

    I, for one, was glad to see all the ESPN family return. They have been missing from the last several and I thought perhaps their anti-American bilge was being overlooked.

  • freeinpa

    For all the hand wringing and gnashing of teeth about political spending all of the reports(?) here have listed all of the money Republican-leaning but nary a word of the amounts being spent by Democratic-leaning groups which I am sure is equivalent to the GDP of a small country.. What is also getting mixed into the mix is money form Tea Party affiliated groups. They may be leaning Republican because of the philosophical bankruptcy of the left, there are many moderate Democrats and independents in that crowd.

    All in all it sounds like whining from a group that made a bet in November of 2008 and now are on the losing end of what they tried to do.

  • Paul-no not that one

    Ivy, any on the spot reportage from Penn?
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    Is Sestak really closing?

  • Paul-no not that one

    Money flows down to the TP not up from.

  • squirmz

    He forgot ESPN “The Ocho!!”

  • freeinpa

    and that differs from MoveOn how? Or any other group? Instead of ads the TP are the ads.

  • asharaxx

    So if they’re the same you have a problem with both of them? Or neither?

  • m0mentom0ri

    “Ladies’ Home Journal”
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    Still my fave.

  • Paul-no not that one

    First you say this “What is also getting mixed into the mix is money from Tea Party affiliated groups”
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    Then when it is pointed out they don’t raise money they receive money you say “and that differs from MoveOn how? Or any other group? Instead of ads the TP are the ads.”
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  • hippooath

    I still dont understand you Freeinpa – b!tch about the influence the unions and move on seems to have for the same reason I don’t like money in politics period. As in from anyone, yet the only defense you seem to have against your side taking tons of money is that the left does it. It’s like one hand clapping…it only takes the left one to make any noise to you but the right is always excluded.
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    So what is it – is it as bad as if when the left does it or is it only bad when left does it? And how do you square that with your principles or moral point of view?
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    And please spare me the drab, lame insults…if you haven’t figured it out by now it reflects more on yourself than it does me. Just sayin’

  • Paul-no not that one

    “Update: Greg Sargent notes that a healthy proportion of this year’s third-party ads have beeen debunked as misleading or false. Again, that’s hardly uncommon for candidates and party committees, but I wonder if it might be more common for less-accountable outside groups.”
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    “this year’s third party ads”? Sargent wasn’t a bit more specific?
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    If one didn’t read the link one might come away with a both sides do it sense.

  • freeinpa

    “So if they’re the same you have a problem with both of them? Or neither?”
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    Neither. The problem I have is the focus, although not surprising on Repubs as if Dems never raise money form outside groups or foreign entities. Hypocrisy on steroids.

    Ah but the TP does raise money. If they receive it, isn’t that raising money? They are also out and the coverage by the clueless media and left zealots are ads they could never have afforded.

  • Paul-no not that one

    “If they receive it, isn’t that raising money?”
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    Very Zen.

  • freeinpa

    “As in from anyone, yet the only defense you seem to have against your side taking tons of money is that the left does it”
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    No my issue is that both sides do take it and that’s fine. What i have issues with is the constant whining and hand wringing that has the left smearing the right over baseless accusations of foreign money which Obama and the left has done. Or the whine we are being taking over by corporate interests but silence over the unions and groups like MoveOn. If you want to scream about money, its on both sides. Either accept it, whine as loud about the left being bought by special interests or shut-up
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    “And please spare me the drab, lame insults…if you haven’t figured it out by now it reflects more on yourself than it does me”
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    Ah the I’m rubber your glue defense– how 5th grade of you

  • Ivy_B

    Agree that the Sargent link deserves a full reading. One example –
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    And no one is talking about what’s in the ads themselves. No one is talking about how these ads are filled with multiple distortions and debunked falsehoods. In other words, no one is talking about what it is the voters themselves are seeing in these ads on an hourly basis. The discussion is largely a Beltway process argument about matters such as whether attack ads are effective and whether the Dem criticism of the secret cash is working politically for them.

    None of this discussion does anything to undercut or challenge what the Chamber and Rove’s groups are actually up to here: They are flooding airwaves across the country with a massive, secret-donor-funded campaign that’s designed to tip control of Congress with a campaign of misinformation, distortions and falsehoods that have been widely debunked by independent fact checkers but nonetheless have attracted little to no notice.

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    As to your question above, hard to tell if the Sestak pulls ahead news is the way it will continue going forward. He certainly drew far ahead late in the primary, but that may have been through one killer ad played over and over. I haven’t seen any similar single ad that does it this time. Not even sure where he is spending most of his time – may be in other areas in the state where he is less well known than here.

  • grape_crush

    You forgot those twin bastions of liberal journalism, Cat Fancy and Dog Fancy.

  • hippooath

    “What i have issues with is the constant whining and hand wringing that has the left smearing the right over baseless accusations of foreign money which Obama and the left has done”
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    How can it be baseless if both sides are doing it? I see that you recognize the problem, but you always take the time to blame the liberals for it, without sanatizing the right side of the isle.
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    How will this ever change if we keep electing in people who have no clue, no idea and absolutely no willingness to fix the issue? I know you will keep on blaming liberals while I make sure not to vote for people on ‘my’ side that want to erode our political system with money.
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    So are you ever going to stand by your own principles and actually question your own side to fix this issue and how are you doing it by supporting every single candidate that rubber stamb the behavior you rail against in ‘liberals’ and apparently think is bad on your side too.

  • shepherdwong

    …the whine we are being taking over by corporate interests but silence over the unions and groups like MoveOn.
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    Psssst…one of these things is not like the other. Idiot.

  • shepherdwong

    NEWS FLASH: Professional Republicans are all liars. That is all.

  • freeinpa

    “How can it be baseless if both sides are doing it”

    See you say keep the lame insults out and yet you give lame 5th grade responses.

    I said the left is smearing the right with baseless accusations. Obama is making those baseless accusations ignoring the fact he did it.
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    “How will this ever change if we keep electing in people who have no clue, no idea and absolutely no willingness to fix the issue”
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    What is the issue? The left being disingenuous? The left took foreign money? Until there is any evidence other than ThinkProgress faulty analysis (according the NYT and WaPo). Now are you not going to vote for “your side” when they are disingenuous? You will need t change your voter registration

  • Ivy_B

    Also wonder why Faux News is never listed – they actually do promote parties (even asking for contributions) or their channel.
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    http://mediamatters.org/research/201010190022
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    And ewwww – it’s media matters, but only composed of clips from Fox.

  • kevin

    Has Beck started selling adult diapers to his gullible audience? Given how much pants p!ssing they seem to do, it would be a natural fit.

  • kevin

    As digestible as the salad bars he thinks are at Applebee’s?

  • Paul-no not that one

    Thanks Ivy.
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    I just saw polling over at TPM and was wondering what your sense was.

  • freeinpa

    ” Professional Republicans are all liars. That is all.”
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    And you are a professional idiot. That is all!

  • newfreedomblog

    “I just saw polling over at TPM and was wondering what your sense was.”

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    Anyone with ANY sense what-so-ever knows Joe SLEAZESTAK is loosing big time. Even the big Dem machine has pulled out of PA with all ads for him now.
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    Circling the wagons is all the Dems can do now. Such a pity to see them all go down. NOT!!

  • mccainfluffer

    I am impressed that you have created a blog to celebrate maxi pads.

  • Paul-no not that one

    He may end up losing but it’s getting tighter.
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    Perhaps the tightening is making people anxious. Ahem
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    http://polltracker.talkingpointsmemo.com/contests/2010-pa-sen?ref=fpblg

  • apr2563

    http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/10/glenn_beck_hawking_companys_survivalist_disaster_k.php?ref=fpb
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    Beck scams:
    Scream, cry and predict the end of civilization. Then sell survival seeds, survival kits, and gold coins.
    It fits well with Beck University and his Mormon Prophecy, and his bogus history lessons.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dana-milbank/post_996_b_749750.html?ir=Media
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    I give Beck credit it. While they last, Beck’s scams outdo the televangelists, the carnival barkers, the Wall Street and banking frauds, for pure chutzbah. Unfortunately, most of the victims of his griftting are the less wealthy and elderly. There is also the, at times, violent outcomes from his words.
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    Like Limbaugh, Beck has used his influence to silence rational republicans and is considered amusing by the traditional media.

  • hippooath

    Me – “”How can it be baseless if both sides are doing it”
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    You – “See you say keep the lame insults out and yet you give lame 5th grade responses.”
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    You – “No my issue is that both sides do take it and that’s fine”"
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    Excuse me, how is that an insult to begin with and it’s based on what you wrote before. You’re very prickly aren’t you?
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    “I said the left is smearing the right with baseless accusations. Obama is making those baseless accusations ignoring the fact he did it.”
    Again – how can it be baseless if you first agree that they do take money and if that’s the premise then baseless would mean that they don’t.
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    Me – “How will this ever change if we keep electing in people who have no clue, no idea and absolutely no willingness to fix the issue”
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    You – “What is the issue? The left being disingenuous? The left took foreign money? Until there is any evidence other than ThinkProgress faulty analysis (according the NYT and WaPo). Now are you not going to vote for “your side” when they are disingenuous? You will need t change your voter registration”
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    Unlike you I don’t vote for people I don’t agree with. You seem a little bit more beholden to party politics despite what they actually stands for. You rail against things but ignore it in your own candidates. I don’t.
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    Again – if you complain about the same behavior in Liberals as you seem to agree exist in GOP, why do you still vote for them? Is it all about winning or do you not have enough principles to be the opposite of what liberals supposedly are?
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    It’s like I said before – if you’re not getting paid to pretzel yourself like this into a corner than I’m really sad for you. To spend your life b!tching about liberals but knowing full well that your own side is just the same just baffles my mind.

  • http://adviceyoudidntseek.wordpress.com GSW

    Do you really think this?

    “One thing we should be thankful for, however, and which people rarely discuss these days: elected officials aren’t personally hitting up donors for huge cash donations anymore. The 2002 McCain-Feingold reform bill banned those “soft money” transactions, in which a senator or even the President of the United States might personally solicit a six- or even seven-million dollar donation from a megadonor for the national party. Predictions at the time that the soft money ban would simply lead to a rise in independent political groups have clearly been borne out. But at least we’ve removed the groveling by elected officials–and subsequent sense of direct indebtedness–from the equation.

    Read more: http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/10/19/re-money-and-politics/#ixzz12qrSY5Ag

    Do you really believe that these contributions are not made by individuals who represent the corporations and have, or appear to the politicians to have, the authority to make them? Corporate activity is not “disembodied” but carried out by people who have individual identities and large donations require someone-or ones- to trigger them. And, politicians who need the donations must seek them, requiring that they know who the key people are. That’s what leads to “direct indebtedness” whether the money comes from a corporate treasury or an individual’s bank account.

  • maverick2k9

    Perhaps the tightening is making people anxious. Ahem

    .. especially the people who are residing in PA, namely freeper and newfreeper ? :P

  • Paul-no not that one

    I have no idea what you mean, Mav.
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    (shhh!)

  • shepherdwong

    And you are a professional idiot.
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    Man, if I could find a way to get paid for that I’d be set for life.
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    As far as the “all professional Republicans are liars” comment, it’s not even hyperbolic, not in the least. It’s impossible to listen to a Republican speak in public (let’s not even get into their private speech), politician or pundit, for more than a minute without some lie falling from their mouths. Their entire pitch to the public is predicated on lying (and that’s no lie). I think we’ve just become so accustomed to Republicans lying, without the slightest comment about the lying from our media transmitters, we simply don’t notice it anymore. It’s like the sociopathic co-worker who farts in public and everyone pretends not to notice.

  • apr2563

    The corporate media is never going to take a really serious look at money in the political system. They love these elections. More money spent on advertising…

  • herby002

    new,
    I think you forgot to include one of your rants, so let me do it for you:

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    There we are. All done. Back to your current rant.

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