Obama, Rove and 2012 Money

Who would have guessed that, in the midterm election home stretch, the White House would spend more than a week talking about television commercials? And yet it’s been nearly impossible of late to hear an Obama administration official speak without getting a quick primer in the way independent conservative groups are running hundreds of millions of dollars in attack ads against Democratic candidates around the country—with virtually no disclosure of who, exactly, is paying for them. President Obama has been hammering this point since the first week of October, and his top aides are still making the case. On Sunday Robert Gibbs called on one of those groups, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce—which is airing some $75 million of ads, almost entirely directed at Democrats—to “open up its books” and disclose its donors. “If people don’t disclose, there’s a reason,” senior advisor David Axelrod warned the same day.

As I wrote in this week’s print issue, Democrats are hopeful that talk of corporate money arrayed against President Obama will rile up the party’s liberal base. But some strategists are skeptical. Remember when Bob Dole would thunder “where’s the outrage?” over alleged Clinton campaign finance scandals in 1996? No one cared, in part because the economy was booming. Conversely, voters might not be interested in political process at a time of 9.6 percent unemployment.

Democrats may have other goals in mind, however. One is to motivate not base voters but megadonors. Some of the wealthy Democrats who financed major independent pro-Democratic ad campaigns in 2004 and 2006 are keeping their wallets closed this time around. One operative involved in such efforts says the recent publicity around the GOP money juggernaut has led to an uptick in giving by liberal donors. But, he adds, “it’s hardly a tsunami.” And it’s nearly too late for money to make a difference now.

More significant could be what the current fight bodes for 2012. By their own admission, Republicans are only warming up their money machine for the next presidential election. “We’re definitely building a foundation,” Steven Law, executive director of American Crossroads—the independent conservative group advised by Karl Rove that will spend upwards of $50 million this fall—told me last month. “We hope to be an important player in 2012.” The U.S. Chamber of Commerce is also sure to spend big in that election. Democratic criticisms of those groups won’t be enough to affect this election. But the bright media spotlight shining on outfits like American Progress and the Chamber could lead to post-election legal scrutiny from the IRS and the Federal Election Commission that could cramp those groups in the coming presidential contest.

Notice, however, that few Democrats argue such outside groups should be abolished completely. Indeed, David Axelrod—who reportedly will soon begin setting up Obama’s re-election committee—may be hoping that Democrats will match the Republican effort in the coming two years. That would be a dramatic contrast from the 2008 campaign, when Obama’s team discouraged outside groups from running ads on his behalf, leading some of them to shut down. The rationale? Officially, that Obama disapproved of loosely-regulated independent groups trying to affect the political process. The real reason may have been that Obama’s campaign was able to raise massive cash on its own from small donors—ultimately more than $500 million—and was able to take both a political high-ground position. Shutting down outside groups, who aren’t allowed to coordinate with candidates and party committees, also allowed the Obama campaign to control the party’s message almost completely. But Obama’s epic fundraising haul will be hard to match in 2012, especially with many Democratic voters feeling disillusioned about his performance. And if Republican groups like the Chamber and American Crossroads continue to loom large, Axelrod and company may be tempted to revise their thinking about telling Democratic allies to stand down. “We will see whether they have that luxury [in 2012],” says one party strategist.

That may explain why, much as Obama advisors like Gibbs and Axelrod complain about conservative independent groups, they don’t condemn their existence outright. Instead, their critique targets the way these groups exploit legal loopholes to conceal their donors’ identity. That may give Obama’s strategists the wiggle room to encourage a 2012 money machine on the Democratic side–so long as it discloses its donors, thereby retaining an air of transparency legitimacy. Speaking to ABC News this week, Axelrod said that he is “for disclosure for everyone. The American people ought to know where millions and millions of dollars in our campaigns are coming from. Whether they are supporting Democrats or Republicans. Transparency is what we need in the political system.” Perhaps in 2012 Axelrod will see to it that Democrats lead by example.

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  • liberalmeltdown

    Even the liberal base is figuring out that you need business to create jobs.

  • http://milascurtains.wordpress.com milascurtains

    Hmmmm
    This is the first time You realized that Businesses are creating Jobs?
    And also Cutting?
    And also Moving overseas?
    So, why didn’t You asking Businesses – where the jobs are, but blame The President?
    Same as to ask Your neighbor’s wife – where is the breakfast Your wife should be cooking.

  • allthingsinaname

    I take it then that you do not care? Where is Time sending it’s money; US chamber of Commerce?

  • apr2563

    Michael C: How about reporting the corrosive affects of corporate money, concealed or transparent, has on our democracy? Do you have any concern about the fact our country has become an olicarchy with both parites as patrons of the rich?

  • herby002

    liberal,

    Uh, what does that mean?
    Oh, I get it. You didn’t have anything meaningful to say about the article, so you just had to throw a meaningless jab.

    I guess I’m supposed to say ouch here.
    Ouch.

  • liberalmeltdown

    OK, everyone but herby has figured it out.

  • kbanginmotown

    “–so long as it discloses its donors, thereby retaining an air of transparency legitimacy.”
    .
    Michael: What is this sentence, exactly? If donors’ names are disclosed, then the groups would be legitimately transparent, correct? Then say so.
    .
    The only “air” that we’re smelling is what Rove & Co. are doing to the process this year.

  • herby002

    lib,

    1.2 – “OK, everyone but herby has figured it out.”

    Pretend that I am a Glenn Beck acolyte.
    Please teach me.

  • liberalmeltdown

    The teacher’s union would file a grievance.
    .
    Maybe we should just ask for a refund from the public school system for failing to educate you and the rest of the liberals that can’t understand how an economy functions. That would include the current administration and the affirmative action president.
    .
    Another failed federal program.

  • liberalmeltdown

    Obama, such a fake, a phony. A very, very typical lying politician from Chicago. He’s not the messiah. I really feel bad that you thought that. It must be so discouraging. He promised all that transparency, and honesty. Well he also promised jobs and lots of other wonderful things. But, that’s OK he’s still in training for the job. It’s like a two year training program for a McDonald’s employee.
    .
    Speaking of promises and honesty, and following our president’s example. I think he promised me a new car for Christmas somewhere in there in all those teleprompter readings. Where do I apply? I sure feel that would be the right thing. It would help our economy and create a job, well not really a job, maybe about 1/4 of a job. I’m talking about a $250,000 dollar car, now. If the government can spend $2,000,000 to create one stinkin’ job, surely they can send me a car. And maybe one for you too. Maybe we can get the unemployment rate here in Southern California below 14%. That would be a thrill and well worth another 2 or 3 trillion in government spending. The first stimulus worked so well for us. Let’s double down, Wadda say? I’m game. Once California goes bankrupt, you can pay the bill. What do I care? And you know we will. You don’t want to lose all those votes now do you?
    .
    Oh well, I guess it was all a dream, I mean a nightmare. When’s that bill come due? For the car I didn’t get, and yours and your neighbor’s that they purchased with cars for clunkers? I just love paying for other people’s new rides, don’t you? Thanks in advance from the home of the free ride.

  • Paul-no not that one

    MC, as much as you have written about this I really am curious about what you think of how the money is being spent.
    .
    Are the ads factual? Is it, on balance, a good or bad thing living in a post Citizens United political world?

  • kevin

    There’s a lot of stupidity packed into that comment. I can’t decide what’s the biggest bit of idiocy:
    .
    1. Claiming that public schools are a federal program?
    .
    2. Claiming that the democratically elected president is an affirmative action hire?
    .
    3. Claiming that the administration that reversed the massive collapse of the Republicans and that’s overseen the creation of 3+ million jobs and a 4000 point stock market surge doesn’t get the economy?
    .
    Seriously, that was like a haiku of dipsh!ttery — so much idiocy packed into such a small space.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    The elephant in the room happens to be the question “Why are 30 second attack ads so effective in the first place” and “why do campaigns live and die over how much they can saturate the market.”
    .
    The fact that our Democracy is led first and formost by people with zero attention spans might explain a lot about whats wrong with the world.

  • stuartzechman

    Nope, still don’t understand what you mean, liberal.

  • Paul-no not that one

    They are used to depress the opponent’s turnout not increase their own.

  • robrod1

    It all depends of what your definition os liberal is….

    Liberal; lazy, believes govt should take care of him because he is too ignorant to do it himself, blind follower of the Liar-in-Chief. a sheep

  • rohalz

    The real issue is anonymity. It is in the best interests of maintaining a democracy that donors be identified with the advertising campaigns they fund, much like the principle of facing one’s accuser in a criminal trial.

    When Kerry was slandered by the so -called swiftboat veterans, it impacted on his campaign while helping to distract the masses from the truth about the Bush and Cheney service (non-service) records.

    Let’s be honest, business’ main interest is making profit, and there’s nothing fundamentally wrong with that, but somebody has to ensure that the profit is not achieved by scamming consumers, abusing employees, scimping on health and safety, and destroying the environment. That check-and-balance is one of the main reasons for the existence of government. It is foolish not to understand that what business people call “red tape” happens to be a set of important safeguards that benefit society as a whole.

  • certifiablylazy

    I loves me some mature discourse over my morning coffee.

  • grape_crush

    Conversely, voters might not be interested in political process at a time of 9.6 percent unemployment.

    That’s a fairly counter-intuitive statement, consdering how closely the two are linked.

  • http://www.flickr.com/hubbmax hubbmax

    [why DO I keep reading this crap.....?]

  • hippooath

    …Or you believe in reality and facts.

  • jacobstoatgobbler

    You have to hand it to Rove really, he knows how to “buy” elections. The American voters don’t know any better to see past this. One has to admire the long-term strategy once the Republican Party put it’s maverick in place. Supreme Court, Campaign Finance, Burrowing former Admin hacks etc, Rove was playing a long game starting with a losing hand, but perhaps he may win 1 term earlier than planned.

    Strategy 1 Democracy 0.

  • hippooath

    Just see what happened with Target after they were caught advertising against someone in politicals ads. People do not like that our corporations are advertising on politicians behalf against peoples best interest.
    .
    Much of the anger we see, even amongst those that would call themselves conservatives is the whole throwing away our tax money on entities such as these mega banks and what they did. The issue in this case is that some people are not clear about WHO did what and righwing pundits have been pretty clever in redirecting that anger towards ‘liberals’, as evident here when the resident rightwingers start ranting about how the last 2 years suddenly had us falling into some kind of socialistic hole. When in fact it’s the result of decades of shifting of power from a strong middle class to a corporate owned political system.
    .
    It’s not regulation and socialism that’s the issue – it’s that every single policy to ensure a fair marketplace is always kidnapped by big money interest and turned into another corporate give away.
    .
    Most people know that something is wrong, but can’t really articulate how. If people knew who sponsored the hate we see in political advertising they would be shocked to see that it’s not majority ACORN like or unions or moveon. It’s some really filthy rich industries that would like to deregulate their part so they don’t have to pay their share for using our commons and our infrastructure.
    .
    And they would be appalled that companies like Target used the money we give them to buy stuff to manipulate our political system to their advantage. After all – companies already have their fair share – the money we give them for the products they sell. If they frack up we need a political recourse to fix it. But if companies buy legislation to remove any risk and recourse and to rig their fair share we as people can’t even vote with our money – something that righties always claim as how it should be.
    .
    Just as I want religion out of politics, I also want money from anywhere out of politics. If anyone care about a free market than it’s in the best interest to keep every single dollar from companies out of it too. And if we can’t we should at least be able to know who pays whom as I would always suspect anyone who get X amount of money from any lobbyist.

  • m0mentom0ri

    Over the last few weeks, how many Swampland posts have had a YouTube link to a campaign ad? How many of those ads were substance-free, over the top attack ads?
    .
    And then we get this,
    .
    “Who would have guessed that, in the midterm election home stretch, the White House would spend more than a week talking about television commercials?”
    .
    Seriously? Are you really that dense?

  • flameworker

    Americans are too stupid and lazy to care about who sponsors political ads.
    Would you buy a worthless medicine touted by a beautiful “doctor” actress but sponsored by “Doctors Who Are Only in it For The Money”? Sure you would. You do it everyday.
    Why should politics be any different? You get what you deserve.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Judging from his previous remarks for months, I doubt that meltdown has any idea of what he means, either. It’s just another random right wing remark like “YOU LIED” (without the specifics of who “YOU” are nor what was “LIED” about).
    .
    It makes a cool sound when you say things like this, I guess, so, like nonsense lyrics to a great song (REM lyrics for example, were, often completely random nonsense intended to sound deep and meaningful, but a great sound).
    .
    Obviously Meltdown doesn’t grasp that starting moments after government workers or government contractors get paid for being firemen, teachers and cops who do not lose their jobs or contractors (sometimes direct employees) who fix bridges and roads, the money goes straight to private, for profit businesses of all kinds or just thinks these words look really pretty on the screen.

  • headybrew

    So you’re saying that people from other countries are not nearly as impressionable as we pathetic Americans? That we must have a monopoly on stupidity? Care to tell us which enlightened nation you hail from where everyone thinks for themselves and no one is manipulated by those in positions of power? Or is it that every corporation in your country is motivated purely by a sense moral commitment to a better society as a whole?

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Obama, such a fake, a phony.”
    .
    Thank you Holden Caufield. You remind me of my very least favorite book I had to read in High School, The Catcher in the Rye (a kid who had everything but hated everything – I guess he must have grown up to be a part of the Tea Party).
    .
    “He’s not the messiah.” Of course he isn’t Ronald Reagan. (You don’t mean that liberal foreigner JC of biblical fame, do you?) We all know that most of the uber-right wing of evangelical Christians don’t care about seeing that JC, guy. They want to die to meet Ronald Reagan, the messiah.
    .
    “…I think he promised me a new car for Christmas..”
    .
    I think you might have severe mental problems.
    .
    “If the government can spend $2,000,000 to create one stinkin’ job, surely they can send me a car.”
    .
    Take out of context the reality that some state and municipal governments held the money to gather interest in bank accounts since Republicans fear federal government and let it gather interest while internally bickering, when $50,000 or so gets spent and $1,950,000 sits in a bank account gathering interest, a wingnut will call that two million dollars spent. Interesting accounting method. I think Enron used that type of accounting.
    .
    ” Thanks in advance from the home of the free ride.”
    .
    I have no idea what that was supposed to mean. It may be the effect of a mental patient coming off of his medication, but, I am not sure.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “It all depends of what your definition os liberal is….”
    .
    It’s great to see that the right wing has done so downhill that people posting in their defense do not know how to spell the word “of”.
    .
    “…believes govt should take care of him because he is too ignorant to do it himself, blind follower…”
    .
    If that is your definition of liberal, then don’t worry. We have no liberals here. By that standard the overwhelming majority of Democrats and people call themselves liberal or progressive are, by your standards, very, very conservative people who pay their own bills, pay taxes and just don’t like it when raving lunatics calling themselves conservatives eat the economy, cause a financial meltdown not seen for almost 80 years while invading the wrong country killing hundreds of thousands.

  • charbray

    We have a mess on our hands, and irrespective of liberal, conservative, or centrist views………. we all need “I have a dream” not “I have a scheme.”

  • jlnyc

    So when the tide turns against them and the legitimate concerns pile up, they cry about the rules? Given the perception people have of politicians, I would wager that this is coming off as whining that they are not getting their way, particulary for something they and more fervent liberals have done in the past (umm, George Soros anyone? No? Well to use Mr. Axelrod’s language, prove that he’s not.)

    Worse yet, this is an expression of the blindness this administration seems to have about people’s perception of their policies. Is it possible, just maybe, that Americans are worried that the “change” they signed up for (myself included) went a little too far too fast, particularly in a recession that has been in the works for nearly 20 years? With uncertainties about how this is going to affect me and my family for years to come?

    To that end, shouldn’t their talking points weeks before the midterms be about the economy and jobs? How is uncovering a supposed “secretive” donor going to put my neighbor back to work? It seems shortsighted and desperate.

  • herby002

    Soros, Soros, Soros, Soros, Soros, Soros, Soros, Soros, Soros, Soros, Soros, Soros, Soros, Soros, Soros, Soros…

    I’ve heard that whining from the righties for at least six years. Soros funds this, Soros bought that, Soros caused this, Soros is the cause of all that’s wrong in politics and the culture of the great USA…

    Now, when the neoconcapitalistplutocratuplicans go on a crsh spending spree, investing hundreds of millions of dollars to buy elections and undermine democracy, they whine when their targets sound the alert.

    Despicable.

  • libssd

    This reminds me a little of the Clinton campaign griping about the caucus/primary rules during the 2008 primary season. The Obama campaign had studied the rules, and used them to their advantage.

    Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission changed the ground rules for campaign financing. The Republicans understood this and adapted, while the Democrats were caught flat footed, and campaigned as if nothing had changed with the Supreme Court decision in January. Whether you agree with the decision or not, as of January 21, 2010, this was the law of the land regarding campaign financing, and the DNC was slow to adapt to change.

  • liberalmeltdown

    Dopey Pat, the money paid to public employees COMES from all those private industries and businesses. You are a clown. Saying that it goes back to them is a fundamental misunderstanding of the process of taxation, government collection and re-distribution.
    .
    Here’s your brilliant financial plan in a nutshell: send my Uncle Sam lots of money so that I have a job, paid for by that money, and then I can buy stuff from you.
    .
    If you built a business model on your financial genius, it would be a version of a Ponzi scheme.

  • herby002

    libssd,

    It was the Teapublicans who brought the case to the Supreme Court, hoping that they would get a favorable ruling from the Republican-leaning majority on the Court.
    There was a lake-full of corporate dollars dammed-up behind the election finance laws. As soon as the rightist Court broke the dam by saying that “corporations are people” and one of them could flood its millions of dollars out as if it was the same as you and me contributing our $20, the dam broke.
    We are inundated with corporate-bought commercials, billboards, Web ads, and mailers that are paid for by shareholders (foreign & domestic) that add to the corruption of our elections.

    Maybe “the DNC was slow to change”. Maybe the DNC was hoping to keep the electoral system halfway ethical. Maybe they gave too much credit to the Bush Court for ruling in the interest of American voters.

    Well, it’s the law of the land. Congratulations.

    25,256,712 shareholders of a Corporation now have the same influence on the next election as your 1 vote has.

    Happy now?

  • liberalmeltdown

    “Obama’s campaign was able to raise massive cash on its own from small donors—ultimately more than $500 million—and was able to take both a political high-ground position.”

    Obama cannot take the high ground on anything. Campaign finance? Forget it. He’s joker. As soon as he won the nomination his promise to take public funds went out the window, which allowed him to then raise 500 million. And you can THAT the high ground. Sure. This whole buzz about the Chamber of Commerce is only a desperate attempt to stir up some votes. Now that he’s on the losing end of the polls, all of a sudden, he want campaign reform. Next, he will want to be bipartisan in November. And all his minions will be crying about how partisan the opposition is. Yep, we will be.

    RNC: Obama ‘Outside Law’ on Donors
    By Online Friday, October 24, 2008

    The Republican National Committee on Thursday supplemented its Oct. 6 complaint to the Federal Election Committee and — citing new revelations by Newsmax and other news organizations — called on the FEC to “immediately conduct a full audit” of the Obama campaign accounts.

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  • herby002

    liberal,

    I looked on the Newsmax site, but I could not find the article you mentioned. Could you print the link, so I can see if there were any followups to the story?

    Also, could you print the links to the stories describing “new revelations by Newsmax and other news organizations”? What are those other news organizations? (I’m hoping you can refer me to “real” news sites, not thinly veiled Teapublican propaganda sheets.)

    You know what would also help? Tell me what was the FEC’s response to the RNC charges? Did they investigate? If so, what were the findings?

    I’m tempted to think you threw in this outdated comment to try to divert attention from the real subject of discussion here. If I’m wrong, you can answer my questions, and we can take the discussion down your path.

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