Reidoubt

This is a chronic problem for Democrats, especially those who really care about the details of the legislation they are passing: they speak legislatese, a dialect of Lawyer (there really needs to be a Rosetta Stone for Lawyer).
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This is only true to the extent that you think that people are put off by/unable to comprehend semi-complicated language. I think most people realize that working as a senator isn’t like drinkin a beer and shootin pool.
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If it’s true that people don’t like the idea of voting for fancy-talkin folks, it’s an indictment of the celebrification of our culture and media.

It is true, Joe talking down to the people get a better response Check this out:
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Ignorance as Authenticity
http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/10/14/ignorance-as-authenticity/#comments

Contrast with the GOP: Bush slaughtered the English language and his grammar was horrendous. Sarah Palin and what’s her name from Conn. make up words with amazing ease and that’s only for starters.

I’m kind of tired of seeing smart, educated people, always being blamed for the fact that uneducated people don’t understand them. Maybe they should try to communicate exclusively through symbols and bodily gestures? They can learn ways to posture genuine emotional concern and engagement with the proletariat.

There was a movement back in the ’60s and ’70s to get legislation written in plain English. Noxon even bought into it. However, It died due to resistance from the legal establishment.
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Resistance to it probably should have been called the “Lawyers Full Employment Movement”, as they had the most to lose by making legal documents easily understandable.
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Maybe time to try to bring it back?
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http://www.ericdigests.org/pre-926/english.htm

Somehow, Allthings, I believe that there is a middle ground between sounding like a hermetically-sealed, lost-touch-with-humans Congressoid and talking down to people. Bill Clinton managed to explain the most difficult ideas in ways that regulation human beings could readily understand, though he wasn’t a creature of Washington. Harry Truman could do it–gloriously–even though he was.
I think that politicians who haven’t faced a tough fight in a while, like Harry Reid, have the hardest time adjusting to the known world. But that’s no excuse. Clarity should not be a foreign land to the elected politician.

I would agree Joe. I hope you understand that my post had a touch of levity. Thanks for the reply.

Harry Reid’s Cheese Has Slide Off His Cracker!

Is Senator Harry Reid really this dumb? If he truly thinks that pushing “green jobs” will do anything but make Nevada go broke; he is living a fantasy world.

There might be one or two companies willing to take a loss, by throwing up a few windmills, or solar panels — maybe. But, to stake the Nevada’s economy on it takes piss ignorance to new heights. Even for Harry Reid!

Just listen to him

http://conservativeblogscentral.blogspot.com/2010/10/harry-reids-cheese-has-slide-off-his.html

Slid I mean

How is Reid’s speaking style news to Nevada voters?
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It’s like when Democrats here in Minnesota (and elsewhere) hear a new Michelle Bachmann crazy utterance and go “Now she’s toast!”.
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The constituents already know these officials, if Harry goes down it won’t be because of style.

I doubted the value of your post until I read the correction.

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I doubted the value of your post until I read the correction.

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LOL

Joe, I am tired of the traditional media being condescending to their readers. Chris Cillizza stated today on his WAPO Q & A that Reid was wrong to use the acronym CBO because just NOBODY in the electorate knows what that means.
Any more insults you and your friends wish to share. Of course, as I have stated before, the Village pundits are experts on everything and the masses are simply ignorant.
Tell me Joe, if you and your pals have been doing your job, why do the rest of us remain so stupid?

You remain stupid, april, because of your closed mind. You endorse ANY candidate that has a (D) after their name, including reprobates like Charles Rangel, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi and Maxine Waters….professional money grabbers, entrenched at the public trough. You demonize any and all republicans and independents, tell Joe Klein, if he wanders from your standard, fantasized liberal dogma, to STFU! You question legitimate anger the majority of Americans are feeling about an inept, intrusive government and REFUSE to acknowledge that change is necessary. Bankrupt the nation? Why not. April could care less, as long as it is a socialist agenda and a democrat is leading the lemmings off that proverbial cliff.

earljr: I have always had such high respect for doctors. I thought they brought a sophisticated intellect to their considerations. Sadly, you seem to be the exception.
Is STFU an acronym you use in dealing with patients that question your diagnoses? Hopefully, your vocabulary and demeanor is more professional.

Truth.

You have a short and selective memory, april. No, I never use vulgarities in my speech (I was raised better than that) YOU were the one who told Joe Klein to do precisely that (several months ago) when he deviated from your progressive agenda. I called you out on it then, too.

Joe, the problem seems to be “talkin’ regular” appears to necessitate “air head”, or of late “kook head”, at same time. Honestly, for instance, the continual critiscm of Obama’s speaking being “too professorial” is bunk.He talks in a way that any person above 15 years old should be able to understand. It’s like “talking like a real American”Requires wild theories and scary stories. I’m tired of electing politicians “for the stoopid”.

THIS!!!!

“You remain stupid, april, because of your closed mind. You endorse ANY candidate that has a (D) after their name…”
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You can’t be much dumber than that, unless you make it an ( R).

earljr: I am not a physician. I expect so much better of you.

“If he truly thinks that pushing “green jobs” will do anything but make Nevada go broke…”
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It hasn’t got far to go. Have you ever seen Nevada? Other than the parts that border California, the only thing it’s good for is digging it up or putting solar or wind farms on it. As far as what happens in Vegas…

apr, earl has not proven here he’s a doctor. Patrick and others have shown more medical knowledge than he has.

Excuse me Joe. Isn’t Harry Reid one of those experts that you are suggesting that we should defer to in the article mentioned in #2.
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Harry Reid should be run out of town. He’s a failure, and the worst kind of politician.

Physicians are not entitled to an opinion, april? you take great joy in calling conservatives every name in the book, so why the ruffled feathers when the table gets turned? You coined the STFU expression, not me.

Yeah, I’ve seen Nevada and the Mohave Wilderness Preserve, a 60 mile wide area of nothing in the middle of the Mohave. You can’t drive in it. It’s too precious. The only way to visit is to hike. Plan your trip now. http://www.nps.gov/moja/planyourvisit/wilderness-mojave.htm
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There are lots more scenic and worthy areas than this.
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Solar power is a joke. What do you do when it’s night? And believe me there are lots of environmentalists that won’t let you destroy “pristine desert.” They won’t allow drilling in the Artic desert. Environmentalists won’t allow power lines across pristine desert for a hydro thermal power project. Good luck fighting the greenies.

Have to agree with apr here. The condescending elitism has to stop. The media puts out garbage “Entertainment Tonight” stories and then calls the public stupid. If people are uniformed is is because the media is lazy, and out to sell papers at the expense of doing the job of discussing the issues in a manner that is constructive. Whatever happened to an informative free press? Rarely do I see an article that tries to just uncover the truth of an issue. Every “journalist” has their take on the issue. Some will not report the truth no matter what.
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The media shapes our society, despite the denials of Hollywood’s purveyors of trash, who try to justify their production of garbage by saying that they are only reflecting society, not shaping it. IF, we have an electorate that is uneducated about the issues, then the media, specifically the MSM is at fault.
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The media has a responsibility here. Just like a bartender has a responsibility to not serve more poison to a fall down drunk, the media’s responsibility is to not serve more poison to a society that is addicted to the cult of personality.

I want a software engineer working on my nuclear power plant software — not an ordinary person of the people.
I want a doctor with 16+ years of college working on me.
In government that controls a trillion plus dollars, the economy, my future freedoms, and potential livelihood – I don’t want a normal person who can’t even finish a college degree in a major more advanced than underwater basket weaving, because if they really were capable of picking it up on the job — they would have been able to finish a degree.

It takes skills, I’d like to see more economist, or folks who’ve run large organizations vs as many lawyers that are currently in congress. But people off the streets can’t run a large company or a non-profit, it takes real skills and an education — what makes you think they can run a country?

As for legalize — duh — its because a word that has a certain meaning to me, can have a completely different meaning to you… and that would make a terrible law. Legal terms have painfully spelled out meanings, so when something is passed it means exactly what it says, not what you think it says, not want you believe it says.. but the dictionary set in stone legal meaning. It cuts down on misunderstandings, and closes down legal avenues to get around a law. If Joe Blow writes a law in normal language – it would take 2 seconds for a company to interpret it in a favorable way to themselves and do the opposite of what the law intended, because they will be able to ague that the words have more meanings than the meaning the author intended — but we are not mind readers , the ruling is on the written law.

And if you can’t learn enough legalese to deal with it – you have no place running for office, it is a skill set, and if you can’t learn it, you don’t have the ability to learn the job.

Duh Joe, I am just a dumb voter. Markup? Earmarks? CBO? Filibuster? Simple Majority? Majority Leader? Majority Whip?….What does all that mean Joe. I know I am sordid and stupid but I want to learn. Can I depend on any of you “experts” (Halprin, POLITICO, Matthews, Blitzer, Broder) to teach the uneducated? Please adress me in one syllable words.

From the article:

Fox asked the candidates whether they favored having the federal government fund abortions under the new health care law. Yes or no?
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ANGLE: No.
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REID: Well, we passed—maintained—Hyde, Hyde Amendment.
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MODERATOR: That would be a yes or no?
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REID: [pause] Uh, under the law, eh, that exists today, the Hyde amendment, which has been the law in this country for 30 years, is still there.
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Don’t ask me why Reid had to answer in this manner. Just don’t.

Funny, but I have no problem imagining that this dithering is what Reid sounded like during the 14 months it took to pass HCR.
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If there is Senate seat I’d be willing to have the Dems lose, it would be Reid’s.
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In 2112, it would be Lieberman’s.

A. Candidate A is an expert in Quantum Mechanics.
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B. When he tries to explain quantum mechanics to people — who perhaps through no fault of their own, or because they were not fortunate enough to get a good education — he often comes off sounding condescending to them.
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C. Therefore, quantum mechanics is wrong.
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Let’s put unqualified people in charge of the nuclear reactor, people who have no training or experience. Surely, they will do a better job.

“Solar power is a joke. What do you do when it’s night?”
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I have a new all time favorite comment.
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Thank you.

I agree about Reid, but not by having Angle in the Senate. This was a loaded question and he did well to dither.

favored having the federal government fund abortions under the new health care law. Yes or no?

If he had simply responded yes, the Baby Killer ads would have been running before the debate was over.

Paul, what do you generate power with when there is no sun? You still need the same capacity of generation especially in Las Vegas where it stays over 100 degrees at night time. You think that power companies are going to build and maintain power plants just to use them 12 hours a day? Or do you think you can “save” electricity and then use it later…

“Or do you think you can “save” electricity and then use it later…”
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Please tell me you are just having fun here.
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Or is your position that the battery hasn’t been invented yet?

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/virtuallyspeaking/2010/10/18/virtually-speaking-sundays
stuartzechman and nyeve 5 pm today

Sure Paul, I’ll believe you know what you are talking about when you can tell me something about solar cells and batteries: voltage, current, amps, battery life, discharge rate.

Don’t you think this hasn’t been tried before? It is far more economical and reliable to generate power on demand and send it through the power grid. Best way would be nuclear.
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And while you are calculating the cost of the payback time of the $30,000 solar cell upgrade (that’s your price after the rebates), don’t forget to add in the assessed improvement and additional property taxes.
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Edison spent most of the 80s and 90s trying to make a solar farm work in the Mohave, and finally gave up.

This is the oddest discussion.
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So are you saying that there is no such thing as solar batteries-that is using solar after the sun goes down or on a cloudy day? Or are you saying it *does* exist but is too expensive?
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I adopted a rule that really made my life happier a few years ago. I don’t argue facts.
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But you really are amusing me. I’m curious, what is your motivation? Is it as silly as being angry at Al Gore?
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I trust it’s something more serious.