In the Arena

Ignorance as Authenticity

I was struck by this comment by a voter in today’s New York Times account of last night’s U.S. Senate debate in Delaware:

While Mr. Coons had broader range on issues and current events, he sometimes seemed mean-spirited. When Ms. O’Donnell asked whether a company he was connected to would benefit from the clean energy bill, he scoffed, “It was difficult for me to understand from her question what she was talking about.”

That could just serve to reinforce Ms. O’Donnell’s image, which has had deep resonance this election season — that of an ordinary person trying to bring common sense to Washington.

That appealed to Alexandra Gawel, 23, a sociology major at the university who has worked her way through college as a waitress.

“She is someone I can relate to,” Ms. Gawel said, outside the debate hall in the late afternoon. “She’s not had everything handed to her.”

This is a classic American myth, perpetrated by Hollywood, starting with Mr. Smith Goes to Washington–and it’s a lovely fantasy. Mr. Smith was an inspired amateur. He followed the news and astonished his local oligarch puppet-master by actually reading the bills he was about to vote on, then making up his own mind. He was part of generation that took citizenship seriously and kept itself informed–even the “average” folks, our grandparents, who came home from work on the assembly line and read the evening newspaper (which actually had news in it, unlike the crapola sensationalism that passes for news on cable TV). I’d take a couple of average citizens like that in the Senate anytime, especially if they made the effort to learn the issues once they got there.

But Christine O’Donnell is not like that. She is attractive, to some, because she doesn’t know anything. She couldn’t name a Supreme Court decision she disagreed with, not even Roe v. Wade. There is no way she could ever be confused with a member of the elites; there is no way she could be confused with an above average high school student. Her ignorance, therefore, makes her authentic–the holy grail of latter-day American politics: she’s a real person, not like those phony politicians. In that sense, she–and the lifeboat filled with other Tea Party know-nothings–follow in the wake of our leading exemplar of ignorant authenticity, Sarah Palin (who seems every bit as unaware of public policy–she certainly never talks about it–as she was when a desperate and petulant John McCain chose her to be his running mate).

There is something profoundly diseased about a society that idolizes its ignoramuses and disdains its experts. It is a society that no longer takes itself seriously. This is not a complaint about the current Republican tide, by the way: that’s part of the natural flow of political life, a result of the economy and the President’s abstruse brand of politics. I’ll welcome the arrival in Washington of smart Republicans like Ohio’s Rob Portman; I won’t welcome an ideologue like Rand Paul, but at least he’s done some thinking about what constitutes good public policy (although his notion of such is puerile and ultimately fatal to a democracy). A businesswoman like Carly Fiorina certainly has the qualifications to be a Senator, even if you disagree with her politics.  Christine O’Donnell does not, nor does Sharron Angle, nor does Ron Johnson in Wisconsin; nor does Carl Paladino have the qualifications to be governor of New York.

But they are all certifiably non-elite. Steve Rattner, on the other hand, is a card-carrying member of the financial elites–and his story may help explain why the public has so little time for the Establishment these days. Rattner is a journalist turned investment banker, an Ivy Leaguer, a denizen of Manhattan’s happiest haunts and of summers on Martha’s Vineyard, vacation spot of choice for Democratic Presidents. He did a fine job as Barack Obama’s auto czar; the GM and Chrysler bailouts seem to be working brilliantly, saving thousands upon thousands of good American jobs. I know Steve pretty well; I’ve had dinner at his house; we’ve had good conversations; our kids have played together.

He also is lucky that he’s not going to jail. The Securities and Exchange Commission has fined him $5 million and banned him from finance, for a time, because he and his partners apparently attempted to bribe major pension funds in New York to invest with them. In addition to Manhattan and Martha’s Vineyard, Rattner lives in Private Equity World, a particularly shady and opaque precinct of Wall Street, where gazillions have been made through leveraged buyouts that have caused nothing but pain in the middle-class neighborhoods of America. People like Steve have populated Administrations of both parties at the highest levels, especially in the Treasury Department (indeed, Rattner once hoped to be Treasury Secretary). From Bob Rubin to Hank Paulson, recent Presidents have turned to financiers who gained fame by making deals rather than by making products (the current Treasury Secretary, Tim Geithner, never was a Wall Street dealmaker, but he comes from that world). Their disastrous chicanery is part of the reason–a good part of the reason–why voters are rebelling against expertise this year.

It occurs to me that George W. Bush had the right idea the first time around, hiring Paul O’Neill, who came from the world of manufacturing, as his Treasury Secretary–and then, of course, he fired O’Neill, who couldn’t stand the irresponsibility of Bush’s economic policies.

I am not saying that Steve Rattner is directly to blame for Christine O’Donnell. But he is part of a generation of financiers, the most respected figures in our society, who have been disgraced utterly by their greed and shenanigans–and who have made the world safe for Mama Grizzlies. This is how a great power wanes. This is why Barack Obama’s next Treasury Secretary has to be a successful business executive with an unimpeachable record of creating jobs, not financial parlor tricks.

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  • http://www.ghostnote.com Juan Valdez

    Here’s where I run into problems with what you’re saying. I think Steve Rattner is a jerk off, too. That hasn’t sent me into the arms of Christine O’Donnell and the Snowbilly Grifter. We’ve become a country that’s become very good at reacting, and not good at thinking. You betcha!

  • hernandezusa

    I think you missing the point why Americans are tired of following so called “EXPERTS”…

    These “EXPERTS” are just political talker who have proven they are no experts at anything except [BS]ing the public and getting them selves richer and that goes for both Liberals and conservatives…

    If OB can be President with little actual experience or expertise, then there is NO reason any American cannot come up and provide a better job to the American people then the so called “experts” of nothing.

  • certifiablylazy

    I blame MTV’s the Real World which started the reality TV fad, that led the trash crap on TV the past few years that makes celebrities out of no body’s who provide nothing productive toward’s our society. It reminds me often of the reason why many folks, IMO, vote against their true interests for politicians that impose stricter bankruptcy rules, cut taxes for the rich, etc. etc. since who knows, someday I may be rich…. Or nowadays, who knows as a Real American, maybe I’ll be on Real Housewives of Sh!thole Town, Real World Part 56, Survivor, etc. etc. It’s all sh!t and as we certainly should do with the current political climate, we need to blame Wall Street for their demand on ever higher profits and for the lacky corporations for shilling this sh!t on the tube while they steal our country’s soul.

  • http://forgottenlord.livejournal.com forgottenlord

    Why do I fear that a mama grizzly is going to have to get elected and seriously F things up before this pattern dies off?

  • apr2563

    Joe, please understand that it is the traditional media that has fixated on the Palins and O’Donnells. It is they who talk about the regular folks (as Bill O’Reilly calls them), it is they who have defined the “elite”. It is they who mocked Gore and Kerry and wanted to have a beer with Bush. It was the media that designated Clinton as Bubba and Sally Quinn who thought he wasn’t “one of us”. My goodness, Obama was a bad bowler!

  • shepherdwong

    Her ignorance, therefore, makes her authentic–the holy grail of latter-day American politics: she’s a real person, not like those phony politicians.
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    There’s one thing wrong with your thesis. It’s not that the “authenticity” test of the Teatards proves you’re not a politician – too ignorant to be a Senator has never been much of a bar – it’s that being deeply ignorant and incurious proves you’re a real “conservative,” not like those smarty-pants liberal politicians.

  • husein11

    Joe is the prototypical elitist and not because he is intelligent or because of his social class but he THINKS he is. Joe is actually is very disturbed and sad man. Growing up and going to private schools his whole life and living in Washington and New York he has never met a real America before. He drives around the country thinking he’s better than others but he has shown a lack of class without equal to anyone in his profession. Part of it is his lack of self esteem. He’s 5’2” when wearing 4 inch heels and anyone who has had the displeasure of meeting him knows that he shows an utter lack of respect for everyone. However, I truly feel bad for Joe. He has had many “issues” and his therapy has clearly not been succesful. Joe, I hope that one day your troubles will be overcome.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    Obviously one-sided and completely overlooks GOP failings and hypocrisy, but this is an influential clip put together by the Republican Study Committee. This will resonate…

    http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/10/14/ignorance-as-authenticity/

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    Argh….

  • shepherdwong

    This will resonate…
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    Why?

  • http://washingtoninsideout.wordpress.com cincinnatusdc

    Joe,

    Two points. Anti-intellectualism is hardly new in American politics. Richard Hofstader wrote about it almost 50 years ago. The latest outbreak was unleashed by the greatest collapse in personal wealth (and future expectations) since the Great Depression. (Remember Father Coughlin?)

    Second, your comment that financiers are “the most respected figures in our society” is both wrong and illuminating. It’s wrong, in that there are quite a few vocations that are fare better in polls of how voters view various professions (and rightly so). It’s illuminating, in that there is little doubt that since the Wall Street boom of the 1990s, media and government elites have venerated financiers even though, as you point out, they don’t make anything real. At best, they provide capital to businesses that do make things; at worst, they are alchemists who smugly foist financial “weapons of mass destruction” (Buffett’s phrase) on the rest of us poor suckers. America’s got too many financiers and not enough physicians and engineers. If the tax code were a little more progressive at the highest levels, and we all did a better job teaching good values, perhaps we could begin to address this imbalance.

    And yes, I’ve met Rattner too. Nice guy — who knew better, and perhaps that’s the worst thing one can say about him.

    http://washingtoninsideout.wordpress.com/

  • mikew67

    Christine O’Donnell: the RWNJ gift that keeps on giving…

    She is already done. But I still want her as the face of the reactionary Tea Party. Jethro Bodine, anyone?

    - Balkingpoints / www

  • liberalmeltdown

    “There is something profoundly diseased about a society that idolizes its ignoramuses and disdains its experts.”
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    The profound disease is the left wing MSM. You have all gone over the edge. Hatchet job after hatchet job. If you are so smart and qualified Joe, why don’t you put you hypocritical butt on the line and run yourself?
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    The media’s job is to inform. I don’t see that happening in MSM. I see the MSM telling people what they think and what the readers should think.
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    You all believed that Barry Obama was a genius, a new and different leader. Someone that would bring honesty and openness to government. You didn’t really investigate Barry, never a tough question, didn’t inform the public that this guy has never really had to do anything. In fact his qualifications are painfully clear 2 years later. He can read a teleprompter; he “thinks” he knows everything; he blames others for his problems that he created; he is a stubborn idealogue. And what exactly is his ideology? Socialist, Marxist, anti-colonialist, Chicago politician, or a confused mish-mash of all of the above.
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    As for “experts” the same freakin’ experts are the ones that have put us in the mess we are in. You just wrote a column the other day about how the same experts created this economy over the last 30 years. The go into government and back into the private sector. Back and forth. Gaining power and influence and hijacking millions, billions, trillions. And you think it is a terrible thing to have a few people that aren’t insiders, that represent we the people. Take your experts and shove ‘em.
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  • ohiolibb

    You could have just written “Ignorance is strength” and saved us all the trouble of wading through your paranoia.

  • http://erieangel.wordpress.com erieangel

    Joe, I agreed with almost everything you said. The other day I ran into a friend I’d met while we both volunteered for Obama’s primary and general election campaigns two years ago. He asked me what thought of the midterms and my answer was “I’m scared”. I’m scared of what will happen to this country if all (or any) of these TPers actually make it to DC. I’m scared of the circus the republicans will create if they gain control of even one House. I don’t like my Congresswoman, but I will vote for her because the alternative is far, far worst. In fact, I much the republican Phil English to the Dem congresswomen we have now, but if he’d won in ’08 I would have to vote against him this time around no matter who was running on the dem ticket. Dems everywhere, no matter how the feel currently about Obama or their representatives and senators need to vote in a few weeks along the party line (something I in fact rarely do) and help to keep the fringe element of the republican party from taking control and ruining our country.

  • chohkmah

    Control is freedom
    Fear is security
    Ignorance is knowledge
    Weakness is strength

  • charlieromeobravo

    You may be correct but there’s a very wide array of choices between “Expert” and “Willfully and Totally Uninformed”. You don’t have to be an expert on a given topic to have a grasp of the basic concepts. Here’s what I’d like to see from my elected officials: a working knowledge of the issues they’d reasonably encounter in the office they’d seek, an informed opinion that doesn’t sound like it was lifted straight from their party’s talking points, the ability to speak on those opinions off the cuff and still sound like a reasonably intelligent person, and they should be a quick study.
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    I wouldn’t walk into a job interview without knowing something about the position I’m applying for, without knowing something about the company I’m interviewing with, without being able to demonstrate that I have some of the skills required to perform the job. I’d also like to think that I can demonstrate that I’m bright enough to pickup on the skills I might be lacking because, realistically, it’s rare that anyone is a perfect fit for the job they’re applying for.
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    This is where candidates like O’Donnell and Sarah Palin fall short. They both trade heavily on their “I’m like you-ness” but that really means that, like many Americans, they’re not terribly well informed. That’s not an insult to Joe and Jane Average. We all lead different lives and we all have different priorities and pay attention to different things in our free time. Realistically though, if you asked the average American if they think they’d be a good Senator or a good President, they’d probably say no because they understand that it takes a little more than reading the local news paper in the morning to prepare yourself for the job. In Palin’s case though, at least reading the morning newspaper would have been a good start…

  • liberalmeltdown

    Ohio, I believe that “Ignorance is strength” is the mantra of the party of food stamps, whose high priestess Nancy the econ genius Pelosi believes that it’s a good thing that so many are on food stamps because “it give us the biggest bang for the buck.” By the way, the bang reference is because Nancy is promoting violence.
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    Just taking a page from you liberal’s expertise.
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    Thanks for giving us her knowledge, wisdom, strength and expertise.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    I have fairly clear memories of your collegues here at Time playing the game of venerating mediocrity. The subject was Obama, the time was shortly after ‘bittergate’ broke and the endless discussion was whether Obama could win among ‘rural whites’ compare to Hillary. It was clear that his articulate style and bookishness was regarded as a liabilty.

    You reap what you sow.

  • http://scrimbul.wordpress.com scrimbul

    I’d like you to explain to me how Republicans can espouse ‘Don’t tread on me’ while at the same time history has proven time and time again that’s exactly what conservatives do to people once they are in power: tell them how to live and overstep boundaries, then cry foul when they falsely perceive those boundaries have been overstepped.

    Everything you espouse without exception gets turned upside down when you’re in power of anywhere but a friggin’ pulpit. The last eight years proved it and you have no proof otherwise, even if the events I currently have to live through as a young man were set in motion by decisions you probably helped make.

    There is nothing wrong with what conservatives want, but for them to get the things they want, the greedy Republicans and ignorant Tea Partiers need to be lined up and shot before we can have a rational discussion. In most cases, the ‘librul’ officials you’re questioning are far easier to reason with than you’d like to claim, the President himself being a shining example of that even if you accuse him of being a centrist or an idiot. In *spite* of that, he’s still willing to listen.

    Quibbling about taxes and the size of the government or the ‘brainwashing’ and ineffectiveness of the mainstream media or accusing global warming of being pseudoscience disguises the underlying issues: that no one in our government is conditioned to think past the next election cycle in terms of what policies are enacted, only in keeping the handouts entailed to government jobs. And that, my friend, has nothing to do with party affiliation. Politics will never save mankind, especially with religion involved, and especially at this rate where our choices range from ‘greedy idealists with no understanding of reality’ or ‘crazy redneck hicks with no willingness to take the effort to actually resarch the issues and constantly abhoring anyone who has different priorities than themselves’.

    ‘Libruls’ are not your enemies, they are people who have fundamental disagreements with you on priorities and policies. The moment they become your enemy, you have given up the very freedoms and principles you cherish as an individual supposed patriot. Once they regain the position of ‘colleagues’ you’ll be surprised how much less gridlock and ‘My way or the high way’ there will be in the government… from either party.

    And the first step to regaining ‘colleagues’ and defeating ‘enemies’ is to soften the Republican rhetoric to where Democrats aren’t constantly defending and justifying the decisions they make. Your above post does zero to work toward what is without a doubt 100% the proper goal regardless of political affiliation or priorities.

  • lepidusxvi

    I think both sides reject intellectualism. It’s a fact of modern politics that style seems to be more important than substance.
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    The truth is, for decades now the average person hasn’t been informed enough to provide a reliable vote and that’s finally seeping into those who run as well.
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    Politics is just another form of celebrity these days. You can get rich and famous by being on Big Brother, or you can run for congress.
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    The media helps it along horribly too. Forget the intelligence or positions of Palin, O’Donnell and more recently Krystal Ball. They get the attention because they’re easy to look at. There is an inordinate amount of attention paid to an unemployed x-VP candidate, a woman 15 points down in a small state Senate race, and a random congressional Democrat… and I think anyone who is being remotely honest with themselves knows why.
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    It’s the same reason Kim Kardashian gets headlines every day.
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    Politics is being co-opted by the American celebrity obsession and this is the result.

  • lepidusxvi

    And let me be clear, this co-opting of politics for celebrity enabled by the media is a real shame.
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    Take Krystal Ball. Most – myself included – know virtually nothing about her. For all I know, she’s smart, driven and highly qualified to be a Congresswoman. (And to be fair, on the flip side, she may be the Democrat version of O’Donnell for all I know.)
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    But let’s be honest, most will never look beyond those photos.
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    That’s the travesty of it all. It’s easy to mentally marginalizing any attractive female politician that comes along and relegate them to a gossip column side show.

  • allthingsinaname

    And in the end she will lose.

  • apr2563

    Exactly Paul. Today, Joe’s village buddy, Chris Matthews was giving a critique of the O’Donnell/Coons debate. He stated Coons was certainly the most intellegent on the issues but (paraphrasing) O’Donnell was cute and who would you rather have a cup of tea with. Aaargh.
    As I stated above, Joe and his pals do this every election and never take responsibility.

  • liberalmeltdown

    I have to agree with you two. But, the reason is the old fashioned news editor syndrome: Sell Papers. So, in many, many ways, the press is responsible for the candidates we get, because they favor some, or not favor others in order to sell papers.
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    That’s where I think that blaming the public is incorrect. Sure a nice looking candidate is always given attention whether male or female. What we have seen more and more of in the election cycles is the press creating news. This broadcaster said this about this candidate. It’s the movie about making a movie. Stupid plot, but effective. And when you really have nothing to say, imagine Mickey Rooney: “Let’s put on a play!” That’s where the MSM is, putting on a show for you to see.
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    Of course they are interjecting their personal beliefs into the movie, more and more. That makes you feel like they are believable and trustworthy.
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    I don’t care if you like Sara Palin or not. I don’t care if she runs for president, I hope not. But, you have to look at what the Press and the MSM, the bloggers, the MSM that reported what bloggers said about her and the family. Really, it was disgusting. Absolute politics of destruction. And it’s still ongoing. Personal destruction has become the message; nothing else matters.
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    California is almost bankrupt. You think that the economy, taxes, and the budget are the issues, no. It’s all about an illegal immigrant and a whore comment. That’s what the discussion boils down to. So, pick your candidate. What offends you the most. Pick a side.
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    And in the end the state will pick another loser. It really doesn’t matter between the two imbeciles. It really doesn’t. They both will do the same thing. Cave in and roll over to the unions, the teachers, the overpaid and over benefited state employees.
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    Jerry Brown is talking tough. That’s a laugh. He’s the guy that allowed state employees to unionize 30 years ago. Meg Whitman, will be another Benedict Arnold and make deals to keep from being demonized as heartless. In the end nothing will change. The good news is that you in the rest of the country get to pay to bail out California. Hey, it’s only a couple hundred billion, this time.

  • liberalmeltdown

    Scrim, I was only replying to the friendly posters above. Sorry that you don’t believe that Nancy Pelosi is an economic genius. Since the article was discussing how we should appreciate the experts that we have in government, I thought that we should honor Nancy.
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    And your comment about Republicans and Tea Party members having to be shot, doesn’t really bode well for future interactions.

  • sieben13

    I love those comments “she is someone that I can relate to” Then you as dumb as a rock,because that is what she is .

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    There is something profoundly diseased about a society that idolizes its ignoramuses and disdains its experts.

    I don’t think the entire nation should be painted with the same brush that has afflicted about half the Republican party and 20% of the nation. The real question is why does the Republican Party now celebrate ignorance? They are the ones who own the Tea Party.

  • ricardo4max

    JK writes like the classic mouthpiece for the liberal elites in Washington. Does Ms. O’Donnell threaten these elites so much that a large dose of character assassination is called for from the media attack dogs? Does not being familiar with Supreme Court decisions immediately render one unqualified for public service? I don’t read that anywhere in our Constitution. And the so called “highly informed and professional” politicians/ attorneys have done such a splendid job for America, especially with all their knowledge of Supreme Court decisions.
    This is just another example of why the media needs to be purged of left wing propagandists and /or they need to be widely exposed for what they are, liars and cheerleaders. Starstruck or card carrying commies, makes no difference.

  • ricardo4max

    Yes the “geniuses”, especially the genius in chief who didn’t understand shovel ready jobs, have done a spectacular job in healing America, making her strong, and stimulating the economy.
    Are you neocommies stifling an incredible amount of laughter when you post this tripe?

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    It’s worth remembering that historically the invention of the US Senate was an attempt to put some distance between the “Wisdom” of elites and the “Wisdom” of the unwashed masses.

    The whole structure of Government was a compromise between giving a voice to the folks the Founders regarded as idiots and having the interest of wealthy landowners properly represented.

    This was of course before CNN and Fox came in to drive our Lowest Common Denominator discourse into the ground.

  • ricardo4max

    Amazing how all you leftists, supposed champions of the people of the little guy, despise him so much. If you all actually got up from your swivel chairs and went outside your ivory towers, you may find that there are some amazing people in this country and intelligent and observant in their own right. And just because they didn’t attend Ivy League institutions like you all did (smile), it doesn’t mean that they can’t win a battle of wits. Many of these intellectual elites can’t tie their shoelaces.

  • billsanford

    “Ignorance versus authenticity?” – Hardly.

    The above comment by time magazine’s Klein just misses the entire situation. Typical for the mainstream media – they are simply clueless and getting worse.

    The REAL situation is that America prefers an amateur politician over an expert Marxist any day of the week. And THAT, Joe Klein, is the real situation.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    expert Marxist
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    Little did Joe know that his thesis would be defended with living examples.

  • perrymyk

    There is a “Ruling Class” in America – the Good Ol’ Boys who are the “right” folks to lead us. Everyone else is a hick to them.

    What we really need is a constitutional amendment that simply prevents a person from being elected to the same office in consecutive elections.

    That means that all incumbents are lame ducks – they have to skip the next election before they can run again. Bill Clinton could run again with that amendment.

    But its time to stop all incumbents from spending one second on their next campaign and spend all the time working for us, the common folk.

  • freeinpa

    ” We’ve become a country that’s become very good at reacting, and not good at thinking.”
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    Which is exactly how Obama got elected. The MSM gave a guided tour and it was just a huge cheer leading session.

  • freeinpa

    “Ignorance as Authenticity”

    JK isn’t that on your business card?

  • southernbell49

    It’s strange.

    On one hand Americans are wringing their hands over test scores of our students. On the other hand, we celebrate ignorance.

    There is a huge disconnect going on somewhere. Testing in schools doesn’t reveal your intellegence level, just your knowledge level.

    If we decide being smart is akin to being an elite, heaven help this country.

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    Are you saying you support infrastructure spending now? I couldn’t tell as I was trying to weave my away around the straw men and the insults.

  • halcyan

    Here’s what I think… we had an opportunity to vote FOR a candidate in 2008. And consequently we forgot for how many years we had to vote against someone.

    That’s what this year is… a year when the best we can do is try to NOT get someone crazy in government.

  • wss25

    I wonder if Joe realizes that in his rebut of O’Donnell, he condemns his blind support for Obama – another individual who entered on a “tired of the establishment” theme, “hope and change” and all that, bringing no real experience to the table? I agree O’Donnell is a deplorable candidate, but so was the President – and it shows, almost on a daily basis.

  • http://drrocketanski.wordpress.com drrocketanski

    I believe the reason “ignorance” (as you call it) is seen as authenticity is rather simple: People believe that the government should not be so complex as to be incomprehensible to the average person. When it has reached that point, the government is no longer by the people, of the people, and for the people. It is, instead, by experts, over the (ignorant) people, and for…..well, they’ll say it is for the people. But who could really tell? After all, the people are ignorant and don’t know what’s best for them, right?

  • allthingsinaname

    People are rational beings. That being said we all like to rationalize our irrational behavior.

  • u143104

    Joe,

    Are you arguing that folks like Castle, Murkowski, Reid, Coons, Crist, Feingold, etc. have proven, BY THEIR RESULTS, to be knowledgeable and competent?

    If you are, you’re in the minority and you’re wrong.

    Who created this mess?

  • fandaelis

    When it comes to ignorance, Joe Klein is right at the top. He ignores what is right and waht works. He ignores facts and reality. He ignores decency and common sense. He ignores the Constitution of the USA. He is a leftwing extremist as Obama, Pelosi and Reid.

  • k9af

    Personally, I don’t ‘idolize ignoramuses’. For if i did, I would be fawning over Joe Klein’s attempts at commentary.

  • destor23

    I’m glad you brought up Rattner here. You have to remember that the elites have largely abused people. Rattner basically bribed his way into an investment with public pensioner money in New York. Yes, he did a competent job with GM and Chrysler but Quadrangle, as a private equity fund, also destroyed many jobs and lives, as all private equity funds do. As an elite he has trodden on common folk. Why should those of us who work for a living give our votes to the people who abuse us?

  • dvg93

    I am not saying that Steve Rattner is directly to blame for Christine O’Donnell. But he is part of a generation of financiers, the most respected figures in our society, who have been disgraced utterly by their greed and shenanigans

    You mean like George Soros and the entire Democratic Party?

  • fandaelis

    “There is something profoundly diseased about a society that idolizes its ignoramuses and disdains its experts.” Klein, as all the elitistes, has annointed himself the authority on intelligence. But one thing that I like about people like Klein is that he shows how intelligent he is with an article like this by ignoring some simple facts: when you want to win people to your side you don’t do the opposite of what will do that, like insult the very people you want to win. By the way, talking about ignorance, it reminds me of a Reagan statement: “it is not that liberals are ignorant, it is that they know so much that isn’t so!” Well, that sums it up exactly what can be said of Klein, Obama, Pelosi and Reid.

  • chupkar

    1.1a *sigh*

  • fandaelis

    Well, @u143104, you are quite a nice individual, because you were polite in writing your comment in response to an article that is quite nasty from a liberal who really does not understand what the words “ignorance” and “expert” mean, unless, of course, you believe all the left views.

  • square1

    Kudos to JK for nailing it. O’Donnell (R-Brawndo) is an incompetent embarassment.

    Unfortunately, since Thomas Jefferson passed, America has been running short of civic leaders who have been both populists and intellectuals.

  • emer83

    Truthfully, I stopped reading the unctuous Joe after the Hillary apologia but having read the headline in RCP, I had to comment. Ignorant is passing a bill without reading it, ignorant is believing your puerile ideas gleaned from Cliff Notes are worth replacing remarkable Jeffersonian ones, ignorant is hiring a and paying a guy whose depth of thought, range of knowledge and, and talents of persuasion pale when contrasted with the average reader. No wonder Newsweek is toast.

  • bokeh9

    How many of us know how computers work? The Internet? Weather and climate? Global economics? Our cars’ electrical systems? There’s nothing wrong with this; Life’s complicated. But when did we stop listening to those who do “know” (albeit imperfectly)? Nixon? Reagan (“There you go again”)? Clinton?

    Ignorance is ignoring people who know, especially choosing people because they don’t know. Why would I specifically choose a mechanic that knows nothing about my car, who has never even worked on one?

  • http://jgm816.wordpress.com jgm816

    JOE KLINE IS SPENDING TOO MUCH OF HIS TIME WITH THE MSNBC GANG. HE HAS LOST (IF HE EVER HAD) ALL OBJECTIVITY. IT IS NO WONDER TIME MAGAZINE IS A DYING DINOSAUR.

  • odirony

    Joe Klein is my hero!

  • emer83

    Sometimes, brevity is the soul of wit. Sometimes it’s just merciful.

  • http://drrocketanski.wordpress.com drrocketanski

    Bad analogy.

    In fact, this whole article (and many responses) misses a hugely important point: Liberals tend to think that being smart enough and educated enough means that one can get control of the immense complexity of a nation. Conservatives believe that the majority (obviously not all) of that immense complexity is best left to the individuals whose decisions create that complexity (i.e. the people).

    If conservatives are right, having an “expert” who thinks s/he knows better than everyone else how to live, be good, etc., is precisely the wrong thing to do. After all, they may intrude in our lives by, say, mandating that we purchase something we don’t want. Sounds ridiculous, but it could happen. ;)

  • srburger

    Joe says, “We’re A Diseased Society That Idolizes Its Ignoramuses”

    Sorry, Joe. You’ve been misinformed. I don’t idolize you at all.

    Have a great day!

  • fandaelis

    @charlieromeobr… it is not a matter of resume. It is a matter of what someone stands for. When it comes to the choices between Coons and O’Donnell, just see where they stand. And I have no problem whatsoever to choose O’Donnell. Some people think of Obama as very intelligent with a Harvard degree and so on… look where that is taking us. No, sir, it is what one stands for that matters.

  • freedomfan

    “There is something profoundly diseased about a society that idolizes its ignoramuses and disdains its experts.”
    -Joe Klein

    But some of us don’t idolize ignoramuses, Joe. For example, I didn’t vote for Obama, the least experienced dunce ever to serve as President, who has crippled our entire country.

    How did experts like you and your sophisticated readers vote, Joe?

  • freedomfan

    More idolatry of ignoramuses…

  • mmmeby

    Mr. Klein’s reference to “Mr. Smith Goes to Washington” is apropos of what I feel is a primary driver of the Tea Party movement – Nostalgia. During times of mass anxiety, the lure of a return to “simpler times” and a return to “common sense,” (an oxymoron if ever there was one), is compelling. Americans are bombarded daily with terrible economic news, claims that the Constitution is under assault, cries of “Socialism” and the disconcerting fact of an African American in the White House. Let me be clear: I do not feel that all objections to President Obama’s policies are inherently racist, but there is no denying the fact that he represents a major departure from the comfort zone of the past. His is the misfortune of personifying “change” at at time when every other change we are experiencing, (in our home values, 401Ks, job prospects and hopes for the future), is proving to be a huge negative. The saddest part is that Americans seem incapable of separating Obama’s actual actions from the miserable times we are living through. Here’s hoping that our collective misery doesn’t result in victories for clearly unqualified candidates. There is an old saying – “Things could always be worse”, and if some of these people are elected, they will be.

  • freedomfan

    “Why would I specifically choose a mechanic that knows nothing about my car, who has never even worked on one?”

    Why would you choose a boy, who doesn’t even know how to ride a bicycle, to pilot spaceship USA?

  • fuklein

    Joe Klein is a child. And like most children, when he feels like no one’s paying attention to him, he stomps his feet and starts calling people names. This is the liberal MO when they’re on the cusp of losing power. They do it EVERY time. They start to crack up and lash out…it’s all they can do. Mr. Klein, realize that you work for a defucnt bankrupt magazine, and a network that nobody watches. You and your friends are going to lose because you’re INCOMPETENT. Calling people ignorant doesn’t change this fact. Obama is a joke–sold to children and liberals (same thing) as a marxist saviour…but when you peel back the packaging you realize that he’s nothing but an empty suit who’s never had a real job. For the first time in his life Obama has to actually produce results. He’s not auditioning for Harvard Law admissions, who obviously were impressed by Obama’s skin color and ability to articulate–enough so that they ignored the fact that he was a C STUDENT! Obama is a joke, and so is Joe Klein…that child stomping his feet and praying for anyone to pay attention to him.

  • fiestamom

    JK laments that O’Donnell, Johnson of Wisconsin, and Sharon Angle don’t have the qualifications to be Senator. I look forward to his defense of Al Franken’s qualifications to be Senator. Did Robert Byrd’s white sheet make him more qualified than any of these three?

    There is something profoundly diseased about this sentence: “There is something profoundly diseased about a society that idolizes its ignoramuses and disdains its experts.” The members of Journolist idolized Barack Obama without giving us a shred of proof that Obama isn’t an ignoramus! Obama’s the guy who thinks there are 57 states, and can’t pronounce Marine Corps. Obama can’t even go to an elementary school without his teleprompter. Look in the mirror, JournOlist member. Democrats and this very publication participated in the idolatry with the endless photos of Obama with a god-like halo encircling his head. This publication and Newsweek had Obama on his cover how many times?

    Joe, I invite you to call me. I’m an average American housewife. Talk to somebody outside the liberal elite bubble you live in. Get yerself a passport and visit the America that you seem to know nothing about.

  • http://plannersthoughts.wordpress.com lstrat01

    It’s the “brainiacs” who have gotten us into this mess, and the common person pays the bills. The nice thing about this Republic is that the people who foot the bill (should) get the say.

    By the way…I don’t buy for a second that Ms. O’Donnell didn’t know what Supreme Court decision she disagreed with. It was a set up question for Roe v. Wade, and she was afraid to take the bait. I would prefer that she just say it, and explain why she is opposed.

  • bokeh9

    I don’t pretend to know how Liberals or Conservatives think, though I suspect it’s more nuanced than this. And, of course, I wasn’t referring to “how to live” or “be good” or being forced to purchase anything. But now I’m curious why this thread has brought out so much insulting and name-calling from commentators I’ve never seen here.

  • bulldrake

    Smug, intellectual arrogance from Mr. Klein…surprise, surprise…

    What in your opinion makes an “expert” public servant?

    The most important question goes unanswered….

  • freedomfan

    Yes we in the Tea Party are ignorant and racist; Obama toadies are intelligent and tolerant.

    Apparently spending massive amounts of money we don’t have on projects we don’t want, makes you brilliant. Perhaps celebrating the wisdom of “Reverend” Jeremiah Wright proves you are tolerant.

    No doubt the Dims can avoid a historic electoral wipe out at the voting booth in 19 days, if only they can manage to smear us as “racist” a little more.

  • thinklib

    This article drives me crazy.

    We’re a society that “disdains its experts”?

    Experts?

    Experts like Maxine Watters? Experts like William Jefferson? Experts like Barney Frank? Experts like Charlie Rangel? Experts like Hank Johnson?

    William Buckley said, “I’d rather be ruled by the first 1,000 people in the Boston phone book than the faculty at Harvard.”

    I couldn’t agree more.

    We’ve had “experts” for far too long.

    And to just assume people like O’Donnell and Palin are “ignoramuses” is so condescending. They’re ignoramuses compared to who? The people mentioned above?

  • drf55

    Your comment at the end of the column about nominating a Secretary of the Treasury with experience “creating jobs” feeds into what I consider to be one of the more annoying political myths.

    An executive who runs a business that sells a successful product or services “creates” jobs when the company grows. But that skill has nothing to do with the knowledge needed to develop or oversee the Federal Government’s national financial and economic policy; that requires a much broader sense of economics, fiscal policy, etc. Linda McMahon and Meg Whitman both campaign on their job creation record; it sounds good but is meaningless.

  • jimbowillie

    Maybe all those ignoramuses have concluded that having all the smart people in charge hasn’t worked out so well. Maybe having a few/many “ordinary” folks running things for a while couldn’t be any worse than what the “smart” folks have produced. By the way, was the congressman who was afraid a island might sink because of an unbalanced weight distribution considered “smart”? If so, maybe you need to reconsider your definition of “smart”

  • kabong30

    This story pretty clearly states the entire problem with politicians and the media. THEY ALL THINK THEY ARE BETTER THAN US.

  • beefonrocks

    Truer words have never been spoken; for proof we need look no further than at the sheep that voted for Obama!

  • bulldrake

    Ethics…collective ethics..politics..are driven by values. If i know what you value…I will know how you make a decision as my public servant. Too long we have let public servants talk out of both sides of their mouths with regard to values…two words: Bart Stupak.

  • latrops

    There is something profoundly diseased about a society that idolizes its ignoramuses and disdains its experts.

    ———————–

    The problem is that our “experts” are perceived to have done a really bad job, especially in the last 5 or so years. Those intellectual elites can’t get us out of wars we don’t want to be in, they can’t “stimulate” the economy in any effective way, they can’t reform healthcare in a way that actually does anyone any good, etc. Given the results of the last 5+ years, is it any wonder that people are beginning to think those intellectual experts are a tad overrated?

  • fiestamom

    You forgot Sheila Jackson Lee who asked NASA if the MARS Rover would be able to roll over to where the Astronauts put the American flag.

    Or that genius Harry Reid. Remember when he voted NO (twice!!!) on a bill he was supposed to vote YES on? Just another genius democrat more qualifed than the rabble who don’t know their place.

  • uniquelychristianthinker

    I question Mr. Klein’s belief in the thesis of this article. This reads less like a heartfelt distress over languishing respect for intellectualism in American politics and more like a heartfelt distress that intellectualism alone is no longer enough of a criterion for election to public office.
    The complexities of the federal Gov’t are such that no politician can claim a total lack of ignorance on every policy, every decision, every bill etc.Those who refuse to admit to and correct their ignorance, preferring instead to gloss over their lack of knowledge with polito-speak, are indeed true ignoramuses. Those who admit to a lack of knowledge in a given area remain teachable and exhibit both truthfulness and authenticity. In my opinion, this renders them more able and fit for public service.

  • Michael Redbourn

    I was simply going to post about Joe Klein’s statement,” a result of the economy and the President’s abstruse brand of politics”.

    Abtruse means “ambiguous, difficult to understand obscure”, neither of which apply to Obama who was a member of the New Party (commnist) just thirteen years ago, and he didn’t quit it; it got shut down by the courts.

    Anyway I then read about Steve Rattner, “He did a fine job as Barack Obama’s auto czar; the GM and Chrysler bailouts seem to be working brilliantly, saving thousands upon thousands of good American jobs”.

    He certainly did a fine job as a czar!

    “788 of the 789 dealerships that were shut down by the Federal Government had donated money exclusively to republican political causes!”.

    The only “Democratic” dealership on the closure list was said to have donated $7,700 to Hillary Clinton’s campaign, and a little over $2,000 to John Edwards.

    And Steve Rattner is married to a Maureen White who was the national finance chairwoman of the Democratic National Committee and as such she had access to every campaigns’ donation records!

    http://www.ourchangingglobe.com/who-decided-which-chrysler-dealerships-to-close-and-why/

    Joe Klein must know about this, so we now know exactly where he stands and what he believes in!

  • rossed200

    This is very encouraging – In the olden days Joe would have claimed that people who don’t believe you can spend your way out of debt or tax a society into prosperity are stupid and no one would have commented.

    Now, the overwhelming number of Americans not only disagree, but voice it on a blog essentially calling out Joe for the “know-nothing” mentality apparatchik role to the ruling class that he is.

    Ain’t it great watching the main stream media humiliate their way into irrelevancy…

  • http://drrocketanski.wordpress.com drrocketanski

    Good point. I did not write in a well-nuanced way. But I think I have the gist of it, even if it sounds a tad insulting. It is not really intended to be – I happen to believe, after much thought and study in the subject, that both (pure) conservatives and (pure) liberals hold rational and consistent beliefs based upon different views of human nature. (Political expediency often leads to inconsistency, though.)
    My argument ended with an “if conservatives are right” – I wasn’t claiming that they are (I happen to think they are, but that wasn’t my point). The idea I’m trying to get across is this: Society may not be as bad as Klein is saying. Perhaps people want less expert-esque people in office because this would help to keep them out of their lives. I.e., if they are a “know-nothing” like me, then they won’t come down on me with all that “Ivy League ideology” that tries to run my life. In that case, this admiration of “ignoramuses” is rational and consistent.

    Of course, if liberals are right, then we’ve got ourselves a serious problem, and Klein will have summarized it well.

  • jt68

    “There is something profoundly diseased about a society that idolizes its ignoramuses and disdains its experts.”

    Here’s the problem with your argument – the Elites are not experts. They are usually more educated, but have also usually not created a job or run anything other than a classroom. They are convinced they know better than the rest of us, even though they haven’t accomplished anything in the business world.

  • davecrook2

    I’ve recently been reading about the policies of Nazi Germany. One policy that I was unaware of is their disdain for intellectuals, removing them where ever possible and replacing them with ‘authentic’ types.

    Since Palin came on the scene (thanks John M.) I’ve been amazed and disturbed that people find this kind of idea acceptable.

  • jt68

    If what Michael says about dealership closed down and donations is true, then we have more problems with this administration than I even realized. 11/2 cannot come soon enough.

  • djmelfi

    Ok oh great Klien

    What’s an ignoramus

    1) President spends trillion on shovel ready projects he now says dont exist

    2) congress votes laws against will of 70% of citizens

    3) Justice dept joins dozens of South American countries in attacking Arizona against the will of the Citizens.

    4) A president who represents foreign citizens more aggressively tan he protects Americans.

    5) A speaker of the house who says we will know whats in it after it passes.

    6) Legislature that defend not reading laws they vote for.

    7) Administrations that fund offshore drilling for foreign countries and stop our efforts.

    Oh well useless discussion all of you Liberals are brain dead.

  • latrops

    Ignorance is ignoring people who know, especially choosing people because they don’t know. Why would I specifically choose a mechanic that knows nothing about my car, who has never even worked on one?

    _____________

    Because the “knowledgeable” mechanic has failed to fix the car. It doesn’t matter how smart or how much of an expert he is if he has either failed to fix your car or actually damaged it even worse. Results. The intellectual elites aren’t getting results (well, actually, they are, but the results are bad) which has opened the door for some people that didn’t graduate from an Ivy League school.

    You wouldn’t take your car back to a mechanic that does more harm than good.

    I’ll decide who the experts are by the RESULTS they achieve.

  • freedomfan

    Another one of Klein’s intellectually elite readers speaks, again proving Godwin’s law.

    “It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one’s mouth and remove all doubt. ”
    -Abraham Lincoln

  • http://danlwilson.wordpress.com danlwilson

    “There is something profoundly diseased about a society that idolizes its ignoramuses and disdains its experts. It is a society that no longer takes itself seriously.”

    What I find amusing is that the Progressives still believe that academics have some kind of experience that is transferable to real life. From my perspective Obama and his academics are the ignoramuses and the common people are the experts. Surely our recent experience with the economy supports my view.

    The one thing that we should have learned about the Progressives is that their approach to business is entirely academic. They do not have a grasp of reality. It is time to send the Progressives back to the universities and out of government. They can’t run the government efficiently and certainly can’t run a free market economy.

    Their answer to their failures is always that they just didn’t have enough control and enough of our money to succeed. They just need more time, more money, more control to get things right.

    Not this time – the paradigm has changed.

  • bokeh9

    Just to be clear, I’m not suggesting that we elect “mechanics”, just that we choose people who respect their skills, and I suppose I see our only mistake as not doing that. Of course, your favorite mechanic may not be mine, but I don’t see knowledge as “Ivy Leage ideology” and our only alternative as electing “ignoramuses”.
    .
    I may be a Movement Progressive (whatever that is) but I try very hard to learn from knowledgeable conservatives.

  • fiestamom

    Seriously? The BEST you can do is call a majority of Americans Nazis?

    What a thought provoking post.

  • kalamere

    Speak for yourself Joe , you and the left wing seem to be the only ones idolizing the Ignoramus-In Chief.

    “There’s no such thing as shovel ready projects”
    57 States
    The Police acted stupidly
    etc etc etc

  • emoney22

    OK Klein,
    You say that Florina is qualified to be a senator based on her business experience at HP. Yet Ron Johnson is not qualified as a successful small business owner? Is it because of the size of Mr Johnson’s company you say this?
    And yes, we hoi polloi, are growing ever so tired of the condescension and poor policies our ruling class is presenting to us. Get used to the “ignorance” Klein, You’ll see plenty more of it in 18 days. At least we you will have more material for your humorous columns.

  • kurlis

    Joe Klein is right. The United States elected Barack Obama and look at him: he’s an ignorant, incompetent buffoon.

    How could the media have allowed a bumbling fool like Barack Obama to win the presidency?

    It just goes to show how fundamentally corrupt most of the media is in the United States. For the most part, the media is wholly servile to the Democrat Party.

    The leftist media WANTS one party rule by the Democrat Party and it wants to silence any opposition, especially from the masses whom it universally regards as ignorant and contemptible.

  • dalelama

    It is amazing that Obama combines the worst of both ends of the spectrum as he is both ignorant and a fraud. Joe does a great job explaining our ‘Village Idiot” came to be President.

  • jt68

    The problem with all of these comments from ordinary Americans is that Joe Klein is an Elitist, and likely won’t lower himself to even read what we have to say. Clearly he knows better. We are all such ignoramuses!

  • ttibbar

    The misunderstanding cited in this article, and supported by some commenters, is sad. The opposition is to elitist attitudes, not education levels or net worth.

    People are angry over comments that show contempt for middle-class Americans and the values that many of them hold. When Obama describes believers as “bitter”, it’s an elitist attitude. When politicians say that voters don’t support them simply because they don’t understand the issues (even if they’re the same voters who put them in office two years ago), it’s an elitist attitude. On the other hand, a person can be highly educated and wealthy but show respect for most Americans, and therefore not display elitist attitudes.

  • pafhumbucker

    Joe – I am sure you fancy yourself as an all-knowing pontificator. Your endless drivel says otherwise………

  • mgsorens

    Regardless of how ignorant O’Donnell is, I agree with her on policy. Therefor I believe she will vote as I would if I were in the Senate personally.

    Regardless of how brilliant and informed Coons is, I disagree with him on policy. I believe he will vote for bills he hasn’t understood of even read, and, as others have, for bills that are clearly not supported by a majority of the people.

  • fiestamom

    Joe, kin’ ya he’p me? The democrats done tole me that election day was Nov.3. I need yer he’p with my votin’ paper. I knowed you wuz the guy to call. You know better than I do who to vote fer.

    Kin ya come on down here to North Carolinny and vote fer me. You know best, Joe. I’m just an ig…. I’m just an iggno…. I’m jes’ a igno…. awww fergit it. I’m just a dunce from the Tea Party.

  • rrnn1

    I think Joe Klein is the only ignoramus we should be concerned about. Do you even read the “stuff” you write? It’s sad that you only believe career liberal politicians can possibly be smart enough to lead us. Really Joe? Personally I can’t afford you idea of a good politician…my taxes are high enough.

  • Michael Redbourn

    I suspect that you know very little about Palin at all, but there is an article here that I read just a few minutes ago at the Washington Post which you might want to take a look at:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/14/AR2010101404794.html

    I have a problem with the word “elite” which means,

    something which is the best, choicest part of something; socially superior group, upper class

    People call Obama “elite” and he alienated every one of America’s allies during his first several months in office and spent more during that time that Bush did it eight years.

    A total of 288,345 properties were lost to foreclosure in the July-September quarter, according to data released Thursday by RealtyTrac Inc

    The deficit is going to be over a trillion and unemployment is at 9.2% which means around 18% if you count those on part-time and those who have given up looking.

    Which of the above definitions would you say that Obama meets?

    There is a thread hear about elitists which started a couple of days ago, http://tiny.cc/dumb-profs

    Michael

  • uvm73

    Klein doesn’t seem to realize that we have an ignoramous in the Whitehouse. He uses the response from O’Donnell on “recent Supreme Court cases” to evidence her ignorance, as he himself (as well as Coons in the debate) cites a Supreme Court case from 1973! What qualification did Obama have to be elected president? Except for his Harvard Law Review spot, all of his Academic records are sealed…unfortunately, Christine O’Donnell didn’t have the luxury of sealing her academic records. Obama obviously made ridiculous statements throughout his campaign (eg. “57 States” as well as “my muslim faith”) to evidence his lack of perfect brillance. Honestly, if America choses ignorance, it’s non-partisan.

  • reclaimliberty

    Where’s all the Hope and Change, Joe? Where’s the love?

    Attacking and dismissing a candidate by calling them ‘stupid’ is elementary school / playground stuff, and far below the journalistic standards of a national publication like Time.

    Having a Christine O’Donnell ( R) or even an Alvin Greene (D) in congress, both of whom are far from being seasoned politicians, would be a breath of fresh air compared to the majority of arrogant, elitist Washington incumbents that have created the many, many problems our nation currently faces.

    Robert J. Thorpe, author of “Reclaim Liberty: 3-Step Plan for Restoring our Constitutional Government”

    http://www.reclaimliberty.us, http://www.Amazon.com and http://www.barnesandnoble.com, “Laus Deo”

  • fredflintstone61

    Amazing. Charges of ignorance from one of the most ignorant people there is! Joe Klein talking about people being ignorant is like Hitler talking about people being anti-semitic.

  • gxp2

    Obama had zero political experience before running for our President of the United States. Now Obama’s in the whitehouse. He’s also just a mouthpiece for the likes of George Soros and the socialist left wingers who want to take over our country.

    Why should Christine O’Donnell be held to a a higher standard that our President. we relate to her, becuase she knows what it’s like to lose her home. The rich leftwing elitists that live of our hardwork, blood, and sweat will never understand that, and think they know what’s best for us. Screw them all I say.

    Maybe it’s best if the left stay out of our personal lives and businesses and let us decide what’s best for each of us. We need less gov’t in our lives, less taxes, less social welfare, less regulations, and alot less of career politicians such as coons, reid, pelosi and Obama.

    And we certainly don’t need socialized healthcare/obamacare in our lives either. We’re gonna get the democrats for this no matter how long it takes.

  • shepherdwong

    … it is not a matter of resume. It is a matter of what someone stands for.
    .
    Yeah we heard that one before, about ten years ago. Look where that took us.

  • ibefreeman

    scrimbul,
    I hope you get your schizoid meds straightened out. Your screed is all over the map, but we can always tell who’s the libloser.

  • lsjogren

    “There is something profoundly diseased about a society that idolizes its ignoramuses and disdains its experts.”

    I was not aware that America idolizes Joe Klein.

  • grape_crush

    lol – guess Joe made the front page at Drudge or RedState again…

  • lsjogren

    By the way: I can’t believe that a national magazine, even one as witless as Time, would have the audacity to keep publishing the articles of a deranged bigot like Joe Klein.

  • chazmull

    So, what were President Obama’s qualifications to be President? What did he ever accomplish before becoming President? He had been a United States Senator for one year when he started running for President. He had absolutely no executive or managerial experience. The most insightful line of the campaign was by Sarah Palin, who said, “I don’t know quite what to make of a guy who has authored two authobiographies, but who has never authored a single major piece of legislation.”

    And talk about know-nothing ideas. What is more untethered to reality than the claim that the Chamber of Commerce is using secret foreign money to subvert our democracy?

  • allthingsinaname

    Just what I was thinking.

  • squirmz

    I was wondering where all the mouth breathing was coming from.

  • tolatenow

    How’s that hope and change working for you Joe ?

  • pelhamite1

    I don’t know about Joe but I wil certainly argue that “people like Castle, etc.” have proven by their results” to “knowledgeable and competent”

    Castle – don’t know him all that well, but clearly popular in Delaware among Republicans, Democrats and Independents, and represented the sort of thoughtful conservatism that would be welcome in the current climate.

    Murkowski – not my favorite politician by a long shot, but certainly successful in getting quite a lot of money in her home state, and sounds as though a grateful state will write her in in November.

    Reid – succeeded in the quite difficult task of getting the Affordable Care Act, despite the fact of the issue being wildly complex, misunderstood and misrepresented by the opposition. The resulting legislation was disappointing in many ways due to compromises that had to be made in order to get anything passed, yet it was necessary to end the U.S.’s reign as the only developed nation that refuses to take responsibility for the health of all its citizens.

    Coons – again, don’t know him that well, but all indications are that he has been an effective, cost conscious executive of New Castle county, which is the dominant political entity of Delaware.

    Crist – even more, not my favorite, but also clearly a man who has tried mightily to steer Florida through some extremely difficult economic times.

    Feingold – one of the most populist, anti- Wall Street politicians in America today, if that is what you are looking for, a man who has consistently tried to tilt the balance of power back to “little people” (as you seem to see yourself). Again, ther are things about him I would criticize, but no one has been trying to critique the money/power axis more than he.

    I have argued in other threads that these United States have been backsliding economically (and, to some extent, politically) for at least forty years, accelerating its decline in the ’80s and again in the ”00s. and, yes, there is much to be discontent with regarding the direction the country has gone due to the short sightedness of many segments of the elite in America. but Joe is here arguing, and I agree with him heartily, that our response should not be reverence for ignorance or simplistic solutions. Ignorance will not help us in the battle against global warming. Ignorance did not protect America against terrorism. Self-centeredness (which seems to be what the modern Republican Party is all about) will not lead us to be competitive with the Chinese, Indians and Brazilians, among others, in the coming century. Now is not the time to be silly and uninfomed, no matter how “satisfying” and “authentic” that seems to be.

  • jt68

    Typical of liberals to demonize their opponents rather than make a logical argument. “Liberals are losing, so obviously people are idiots. How can they not see our brilliance?” It never fails.

  • sog01

    Maybe Joe Klein is right…we americans have a long history of preferring the ignorant over the educated. The American people once elected a guy from illinois, who had never finished the 6th grade, to be president of the United States…and though the dems decried him as an ignorant rail-splitter…he did ok…we also elected a man from missouri who never spent a day in college and seems to be most famous for making ignorant statements like “the buck stops here” and “give em heck(sp)”. Not bad for a couple ignoramouses. Particularly when compared to the highly educated class that includes the likes of Herbert Hoover and George W. Bush and Obama. Its not about education or even fluency with issues…Thomas Jefferson never gave public addresses..not even a State of the Union…because he thought he sounded dumb…its about having principles that work for america…believing in self-reliance rather than government handouts..about free markets rather than government controlled businesses..its about equal rights for every American..not special rights from some, even in an effort to rectify past wrongs…its as Thomas Payne wrote..knowing that “government is a necessary evil” that infringes on the rights of men and therefore must be kept as small as possible..its knowing that we cant borrow our way to prosperity… You dont need a Harvard degree to understand American principles…in fact it would seem from our history that having a Harvard degree is a hinderance to understanding and adopting American principles.

  • http://gum0nshoe.wordpress.com gumOnShoe

    ^ ha,
    ·
    I’d say so.

  • dhart1949

    How tragic for Mr. Klein, enduring the democratic election process. His haughty judgments of those worthy and unworthy of consideration for public office would be silly if not always tinged with his transparent partisan edge.

    But I’m reminded of William F. Buckley Jr. famous quotation;

    “I’d rather entrust the government of the United States to the first 400 people listed in the Boston telephone directory than to the faculty of Harvard University.”

    Klein or Buckley? I’m going with the dead guy.

  • Big Phil

    Ah, Joe Klein and all his “progressive” sycophants, continuing to promote this ridiculous meme that liberals are smart and conservatives are stupid. Barack Obama was elected by some of the most thoughtless voters in history. Hope! Change! And away to the polls they went, casting their votes for a couple of nebulous concepts that sounded nice. If Democrats are the party of superior intellect, then someone please explain how CA, NY and MI, Democrat strongholds all, can be so ineffectively governed. While O’Donnell and Palin may not exactly be whiz kids, they’re certainly no dimmer than B. Boxer, or perhaps the dumbest person to ever serve in Congress, Lynn Woolsey. Here’s some advice, brainiac lefties: take a hard look at the empirical evidence before you, and you’ll see (if you care to be honest) that Democratic governance has become (in words that Obama supporters will understand) a hot mess. Funny how your massive IQs seem to stand in the way of any legitimate self-reflection…

  • superbu

    You’re right, Joe. America does value style over substance, the “outsider” over the experienced politician. That’s how we ended up nominating Obama instead of Clinton in 2008.

  • pelhamite1

    . . but it does give you an idea of what those “red state” blogs are like: sheer madness (and I mean that in both senses).

  • bluesmama1

    Mr. Klein, in his column today, has hit one out of the ballpark! We are, indeed, a very sick and confused people. As evidence, look at what we put in the White House in 2008…..an ignorant, incompetent fraud of a man who has never even run a cash register at a 7-11 store. Why? Because he could string words together in a complete sentence, unlike George W. Bush. That one quality alone far outweighed the fact that he was nothing more than a demagogue who hung out with thugs like Bill Ayers, Andy Stern and his SEIU goons, Acorn Rent-a-Mob, and that vicious hatemonger, Rev. Jeremiah Wright. (Isn’t it funny how the most vicious haters in America today have the title “Reverend”? (Are you listening, Reverend Al?)

    S.A. Vaughn

  • pelhamite1

    I still prefer it to what you guys are peddling: despair and stasis.

  • pelhamite1

    Call it “the audacity of moderation”

  • petergrfx

    There’s a big difference: O’Donnell also brings willful ignorance to the table. Obama, at least, had studied the issues in a serious way and made an attempt to know what he was talking about before opening his mouth. Not that I idolize him; I just have certain minimal standards for anyone I give serious consideration to voting for. And I’m at least as disappointed in the minimal change he and his huge majorities in Congress have wrought – not just because they “didn’t go far enough” (I understand compromises are necessary) but because he continues to go too far in the same, and wrong, direction set by his predecessor: ignoring the rule of law, including the constitutionally enshrined “great writ” of habeas corpus, jailing terrorist suspects for life without trial; prosecuting pointless wars and occupations in Afghanistan and Iraq; raiding the offices of non-violent anti-war organizations, etc.

  • johnleehooker

    Joe had me going for a bit. That he thinks ODonnell is our biggest problem suggests he’s got issues.

    Leaving aside the problem of Odumbo and CONgress try these:

    1. Our education system produces morons taught by morons, exceptions noted.
    2. Roughly 47% of wage earners pay NO INCOME tax but still get to vote themselves FREE STUFF, i.e. Odumbo’s stash.
    3. Political leaders do NOT read the bills they vote on and many of them see NO REASON TO READ THEM.
    4. Political leaders LIE CONSTANTLY.
    5. MSM has been reduced to a steno pool.
    Finally, half the voting public is BELOW AVERAGE by definition. So, below avg voters have roughly as big an impact on our country as above avg. We print BALLOTS IN FOREIGN LANGUAGES for crying out loud. ODonnell, Angle are a long way from the US’ biggest problem.

  • davecrook2

    You people need to relax.

    No, I am not calling people in this country Nazi’s. I’m citing a similar philosophy that happens to have been adopted by them during the 30′s.

    If you’re going to run for office, for God’s sake educate yourself! Regardless of party affiliation, I would rather not have a person that can’t cite even one example of a Supreme Court decision running the country.

    Christine O’Donnell is more intersted in popularity than governing, as her past suggests.

  • petergrfx

    Sorry, I accidentally inserted my last response to wss25 here instead of after his post.

    But all this talk of Marxism is just insane. If Obama’s most radical initiative was his health care reform program, then that is about as centrist – and pro-business – as you can get without giving away the whole store. And if that’s Marxism to you, then: 1) you don’t know what Marxism is; 2) you must consider Bill Clinton, whose health care plan was truly universal and more far-reaching, a raving Leninist; and 3) who knows what you think of FDR and LBJ, the authors of social security and medicare, respectively.

  • liberalmeltdown

    Well Joe, you see what people think about the elitist’s name calling.
    .
    Elitist: 1. The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources.
    .
    Note that the definition is “perceived superiority.” Perceived by the elitists of course. The curtain has been pulled back to reveal that these people are fools. You ever hear of an educated idiot, Joe? Someone that is book smart, but has no practical skills. A theorist. They couldn’t run a magazine stand, but they can tell you about how the economy works.
    .
    We have career politicians that are “experts.” What are they experts in? Well, they can lie very well. They can spin a tall tale in order to fool people into voting for them. They can take lots of money from lobbyists, all the while complaining about the power of lobbyists.
    .
    Let’s illustrate with our learned president. He constantly makes statements about fat cats, and those bad people on Wall Street, meanwhile he bails out Citi, and takes millions in campaign donations.
    .
    Let’s inject some reality here: the government as “experts” has created this mess. Sorry if this is too simple for your pointy head to comprehend, but that is a fact. Stamping your feet and insisting that the peons should bow down to the elitists, only reveals the fact that you are an elitist.

  • hippooath

    You know what’s tragic? Not that we’re promoting ignorant candidats, but because we set the bar so low in defending them.
    ‘Look at candidate X, our candidate Y is better than that’.

    So when did we start promoting people who makes us feel good as suppose to being able to do good. That they’re not going to do what we think the other guy did bad. Because we’re thinking that person is not going to do anything, so what’s so bad about that?

    Being angry and scared is not good enough to elect people that are barely better than the people we elect against. We’re in a crisis and our low bar is set to stun, ’cause we’re afraid to ask for something slightly higher than pretty and a smile.

  • parker1227

    “There is something profoundly diseased about a society that idolizes its ignoramuses and disdains its experts.”

    Contempt and ideological intransigence (ex. Joe Klein and Barack Obama) are far more dangerous than ignorance.

    Citizen politicians can learn as they go, and apply common sense middle class values to solutions. On the other hand, contemptuous ideologues, no matter how brilliant, are blinded by arrogance (Barack and Klein). They refuse to adjust strategies or beliefs when the old ones are proven wrong.

    History is rife with “brilliant” narcissistic leaders who sold themselves to the public, and then turned out to be misanthropic monsters in the worst ways imaginable.

  • pelhamite1

    Obama’s years as Senator (4) is twice that of Abraham Lincoln (on the good side) and Sarah Palin (on the deplorable side). When he first ran, I, too, had problems with his running on so little experience, but, let’s be honest, he ran a great campaign. essentially, he had David Axelrod and David Plouffe, and everyone else didn’t. As someone who initially supported someone else, my hat is off to the Obama people, who hit all the right notes and won fair and square. and I get the strong feeling that these Tea Party sentimetns are the same wheter we elected Obama with four years expeerience or joe biden with 40.

    As for the Chamber of Commerce, if they want to claim that they are not a front for foreign govenments looking to abet the outsourcing of yet more American jobs, let them show their donor list and prove it.

  • stalinsbastard

    Dear Mr. Klein,

    Would include among your “ignoramuses” Mr. (57 States) Obama and (natural gas is a renewable energy source) Mrs. Pelosi?

    I know that there are Yahoos on the right, but right now, the ignoramuses of the Left are in power and are doing all they can to destroy this country.

    With your assistance Mr. Klein!

    So please get off your high horse and admit that you and your biased colleagues have had a hand in creating the disaster that is Obama & company.

    Having lived in a communist country I can discern propaganda and brainwashing for what it is.

    The weekly you work for, Mr. Klein, puts Izvestia to shame just as NYT has become the “Pravda on the Hudson”.

    If you have any decency, some introspection on this matter would be very welcome along with a visit to the paradigm of workers paradise; North Korea. Actually, if you wait a bit, Venezuela may be as good a place for such a retreat.

    Live free of die !

    SB

  • pettacom

    At last! Mr. Klein de-riddles the secret of his success. I have always wondered how someone so relentlessly mediocre, with such a pronounced bent for mindless bloviating from yon pompous perch, could stay employed for so long. Learning that we are a diseased society that idolizes ignoramouses certainly explains it. Ignorance as Authenticity! It’s nice to see that Mr. Klein not only talks the talk but walks the walk. Not many would turn the j’accuse finger on themselves this way, and for outing himself as a fatuous dullard, Mr. Klein is to be commended.

  • creldarix

    Odd that you would use the title Ignorance as Authenticity, since that is how you live your life. Parroting lies repeatedly does not make them truth. You are making yourself irrelevant if you haven’t done so already. Those linking to you now only do so to point out that irrelevance and how you are in touch with only the most left of America. You know, those people that use Ignorance as Authenticity.

  • wshancock46

    Here we have the latest demonstration that sneering condescension is the only voice of the American intellprogresiberal.

    Keith Maddow or Rachel Olbermann, whatever, puts it on display every night at MSNBC. (Most nights. Maddow had her head handed to her by candidate Art Robinson the other night.) Klein, not to be outdone, delivers the print version here.

    Keep it up. Every time one of you east coast elitists gasps at the burden of having to share a nation with the rest of us unwashed Neanderthals the Republicans pick up another seat and a few million bucks in contributions.

    Sarah Palin must be elected President if only to make Maddow’s and Klein’s heads explode.

  • ies0716

    Joe is right. We are electing too many politicians who have no experience or expertise in governing. Luckily for Joe and his fellow lefties, President Obama has decades of experience running extremely complex organizations and is very well versed in the issues of the day.

    Right? Err…

  • wshancock46

    On that note, here is what a writer at the Chicago Times — the Joe Klein of his day — had to say about one of that sixth grade drop out’s speeches:

    “The cheeks of every American must tingle with shame as he reads the silly, flat, and dishwatery utterances.”

    That speech ended with “[g]overnment of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.”

    Its no longer about you and yours, Joe. Now, its about the the people.

  • np042

    1) Yes, education needs improving
    .
    2) Are you suggesting that people with an income below a set amount not be able to vote? Are they no longer full citizens because they don’t make enough?
    .
    3) and 4) Yes, politicians suck on both sides. However, I’d rather politicians with an ounce of intelligence rather than someone who apparently believes we were fighting the Russians in the 80′s and 90′s in Afganistan or someone who thinks a non-existant town in Texas is under Sharia Law.
    .
    5) The media has failed on all accounts. Instead of focusing on what horrible candidates are out there, they have the “Squirrel Syndrom,” and Fox News is the worst of the bunch.
    .
    Also, congratulations on know what an average is. Also, technically all languages are foreign languages, as there is no official US language. Granted, we all know what language Real Americans(tm) speak, but there is no reason not to help other citizens exercise their rights as well. (If they are not citizens that is another issue entirely) Are you that offended that someone may find it easier to vote with a Spanish ballot than in English?

  • np042

    As opposed to Sarah Palin or O’Donnel?

  • mmmeby

    Reply to freedomfan, (10:56 A.M. post): Wow. I almost never respond to posts like yours, but I will make an exception in this case because people like you are scary and deserve to be refuted. Exactly where did I call Tea Partiers ignorant? Is ” nostalgic” a synonym for ignorant on your planet? And did you miss the part where I expressly stated that I do not believe that Tea Party positions are racist? Your sort of one dimensional thinking and failure to accurately assimilate information is dangerous. The insistence of you and people like you that Obama is responsible for all the problems facing America is ludicrous and dangerous – it stands in the way of any real solutions.

  • pelhamite1

    I didn’t think less of George W. Bush because he wa not as erudite as one might expect a Yale grad to be. I thought less of him because he recklessly started a war in Iraq that led to the unnecessary deaths of thousands of mostly wonderful young men and women. Which is to say, my problem with him was not his intelligence, of which I actually think he had plenty, but his wisdom, which was sorely lacking on some of the most important issues he faced.

  • wshancock46

    “And I say to my people’s masters: Beware
    Beware of the thing that is coming, beware of the risen people
    Who shall take what ye would not give.
    Did ye think to conquer the people, or that law is stronger than life,
    And than men’s desire to be free?
    We will try it out with you ye that have harried and held,
    Ye that have bullied and bribed.
    Tyrants… hypocrites… liars!”

    ~ The Rebel, Padraig Pearse.

  • pelhamite1

    Yes, by all means let us look at your illustration. Obama did indeed continue the TARP program begun his Republican predecessor, and as a result Citibank and several other major banks were able to return to functionality, companies were able to meet payroll and several million jobs were probably saved. And the government got its money back. All in all, the TARP program was one of George Bush’s better moments (one in which, ironically and for once, his business degree from Harvard was actually a help) and, however distasteful it may have been to many us, a necessary tonis that prevented this Recession from being significantly worse.

    But the fact that the TARP had to be done to keep this nation’s credit markets operational doesn’t mean that the financial insititutions should not have been lectured about just how reckless they had been. A lot of people in the financial community seem to recognize how irrsponsible many of these firm in the period 2000-2008; many more do not seem to get it at all. I consider it the President’s responsiblity to tell them that a bail-out similar to TARP will indeed be impossible is pull off a second and they have to be mindful of getting as over leveraged as they became in 2005-2008.

    This is what an intelligent President does, tries to prevent a disaster from happening again. Deal with it.

  • flybutanol

    I was not aware that either Palin or O’Donnel were placed at the top of the ticket in a presidential election. But, compared to either Obama or the self-described “bearded marxist” for their respective offices, yes, I’d prefer even them. However, there are much better Republican candidates around for 2012 than Palin.

  • fiestamom

    OMG! (gasp) We’re liberals. We only say we’re tolerant. You don’t actually believe when we say we’re tolerant?

  • milodonharlani

    Speaking of ignorami, Joe, O’Donnell was asked about recent USSC decisions. Roe v. Wade was in 1973. Thirty-seven years ago doesn’t count as recent on Planet Earth, although possibly on Joe’s home world.

  • bemusedvoter

    Hyperbole, thy name is…Joe Klein.
    What part of “all politicians are liars and frauds” did Joe not understand? Even the most humble backwoods voter has figured that one out. But Joe does get credit for using the arcane “ignoramus” correctly in a sentence.

  • apr2563

    I believe a group of workers have the “right” to unionize whether their employer approves or not.

  • flotsamx3

    @mmmeby

    If you’re still around checking responses to your old posts, I have to tell you that you still don’t get it. In your response to freedomfan, your attempt to use the “who me?” defense is laughable. Your use of not so hidden phrases like “disconcerting fact of an African American in the White House” are obvious to those of us with “common sense.” I realized I didn’t have to read beyond your attack on common sense (which IMO is an oxymoron only to those who lack it) to know that your post would be the model for those who in 2008 voted for an empty suit because it was the liberal thing to do. “Hey the guy’s black and graduated from an Ivy League school. Therefore, he must be qualified for POTUS.”

    The rest of us using the common sense God gave us, realized he hadn’t worked a day in his life, was likely pampered through school, and in spite of MSM’s glaring attempt to hide his past, surrounded himself with very suspicious characters.

    In only 17 short days, we will at least be able to lessen the damage of this train wreck by crippling his willing accomplices in the Demogogue party.

  • husein11

    Only an America hater, like Pelham, would consider “taking our country” back to be “dispair.” Liberals, like Pelham, have always have always despised this country and have hoped for it’s failure.

  • sacredh

    Be sure to tune-in to the next episode of “Links Gone Wild”.

  • mediamumblings

    I imagine that Mr. klein thinks himself to be an expert. I think by “expert” Mr. Klein means socialist central planners. Maybe he’s referring to Ben Bernanke or Tim Geithner who were both at the Federal Reserve when interest rates were set artificially low for a long period of time creating not only the dotcom bubble but the housing bubble as well. They said that the housing crisis was contained and the problems were in subprime loans only. Oops! The experts told us that unemployment wouldn’t go above 8% if we passed the so-called stimulus. Meanwhile the real unemplyment rate is closer to 16%. Oops!

    The people who were screaming that the Federal Reserve and Congress with its housing subsidies and implied backstops were creating a housing bubble were and are ignored. I am speaking of Austrian and classical free market economists who are the real experts. These people don’t want to centrally plan our lives like the cattle prodders of Mr. Klein’s ilk though. They think we can manage our own lives. I believe that men like Adam Smith, David Hume, and F.A. Hayek are correct when they point out that much of the organization of society (law, money, markets, language, etc) is the result of human action but not of deliberate human design. Mr. Klein would do well to learn this truism.

    Mr. Klein’s intellectual heritage (collectivism) has produced the ideologies of national socialism, communism, democratic socialism, and fascism and individuals like Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Castro, Kim Jong Il, and Mussolini among other collectivist tyrants.

  • retsubcpo

    So Joe, we’re suppose to elect the beautiful people. The super intelligent ones. The elites of the elites. And who pray tell enlightens us as to who these people are. You? Chris Mathews? Vandenhuvel of The Nation? Carl Rove? Sean Hannity? Sorry pal, we’ve been electing those people for decades and in case you haven’t noticed, we’re in hock for about 13 trillion and rising, our economy is in the toilet, we have unfunded liabilitites in SS, Medicare, Medicaid and God knows how many other things to the tune of somewhere beteween 150 to 200 trillion. Joe, it’s your vaunted, experianced, genuis career politicians of both stripes who got us into this mess. Not the banks. Not wall street. I know that bankers and wall street brokers are in business to make money. Any fool knows that. And when governement politicians (See Barney Frank) screw around with the rules to encourage people who can’t afford them to buy houses and then tells the bank dont’ worry, Fanny and Fredie will cover you bankers and everyone else will figure out ways to make a fortune. And they did. Which any fool could have figured out but not apparently your experianced supermen. Let me clue you in on something Joe, electing more of your choices will for sure do a few things. Increase the deficit to 26 trillion. Create another couple of thousand usless agencies. Name a few more “blue ribbon commissions” made up of washed up political hacks who come up with nothing. And sit around taking credit for anything and resposibility for nothing. Its the only thing they do well. Joe, I hope we elect some people who NEVER read a SCOTUS decision. Who have no idea how DC works (a term in itself thats idiotic). And have the guts to scrap most of the crap their predecessors have chained us to. And we don’t need self loving psudo intellectuals like you and the people you support telling us how to vote. I’ll take a Rand Paul, a man who in your estimation is unfit for the Senate because he actually read the US Constitution and thinks we should adhere to it, over the political hacks you support whos only claim to fame is the ability lie effectivly. Sorry Joe, your becoming irrelavant. Thank God.

  • ricke49

    Hey Joe,
    Did you even watch the debate. The question put to Odonnell was RECENT Surpreme court decision. Roe vs Wade was not a recent Supreme court decision. FYI it occurred over 30 years ago.
    Daaaaaaaaaaa,

  • ricke49

    Hey Joe,
    Where can you take a person with an IQ over 150, spend 150K on two years of education, and get a person who cannot understand market risk and has no morals. Try Harvard MBA, Wharton MBA, Columibia, etc. Small town America had to bail out all those rich people on Wall Street, You know the ones that make 1 million a year.
    We are tired of it.

  • hiriri

    From the environment/energy to health care, when experts keep telling regular people that they know more than they themselves how to run their lives, people will naturally not like that. This ranges from ritch people telling the middle class and poor that they should be paying more for energy to the democrats telling the majority that they will get health care if they like it or not.

    C.O.’s rise is as much more a reaction to the perception or reality of elite arrogance as a pride in ignorance. Stupid people at least might listen to their voters. Politicians who think they are the smartest people in the room probably will not.

  • mmmeby

    To flotsamx3: Yes I am “hanging around reading my old posts” – that is what you do when you are bedridden after surgery for what is most likely terminal cancer. What a nasty society we have become – as evidenced by people like you. My situation is not important – what is important is that people understand where we are as a country. Obama is one man. Yes, he is the President, but he is not the king – he does not rule by fiat. The continuous promotion of the idea that voting Obama and the rest of the Democrats out of office will solve all our problems is absurd. Our national fixation on partisan politics only serves to distract us from the real problem we face – the fact that powerful special interests control everything – regardless of which party is in power.

  • ernesttee

    Poor Joe is just another self-important, self-absorbed liberal who sees political power slipping away after two short years. The American people are “draining the swamp”. I understand his frustration.

  • maxxpup41

    The biggest Ignoramus is Joe Klein, next to Barack Obama, Chris Coons, Harry Reid, and on and on and on. Klein, you are a puke elitist that is ruining this country. O’Donnell, Angle are far smarter than you, you leftist dim wit.

    You write:

    But Christine O’Donnell is not like that. She is attractive, to some, because she doesn’t know anything. She couldn’t name a Supreme Court decision she disagreed with, not even Roe v. Wade.

    You don’t even know the question she was asked, idiot Klein. Blitzer said “Name a RECENT Supreme Court decision that she disagreed with”

    Hey ignoramus Klein, is Roe vs. Wade recent?

    You’re an idiot, Klein. I am not sure you can answer that question.

  • http://leedeb.wordpress.com leedeb

    Can we say “public education” under federal control for the past 35 years? Although probably Mr. Klein has not realized how little of our constitution and important Supreme Court decisions are actually taught in our schools any more. After an electorate actually educated on the constitution would never allowed a federal department of education nor the Patriot Act to be passed. We did much better with one room schoolhouses at the turn of the century than we do now. Most of our college freshman could not pass the high school exams that were prevalent in the late 1940′s.

  • http://loachdriver.wordpress.com loachdriver

    It’s the height of arrogance for Klein to claim the authority to determine what’s authentic. Kkein’s an effete neocommie who’s never done a thing other than blabber. He’s another of these Liberals who evidently has never held a real job in the private economy outside the Leftist propaganda industry, nor served in the armed forces. So what does he know about America outside the Beltway & NYC?

    Klein calls Tea Patrtiers know nothings, but the only two Tea Party activists with whom I’m acquainted are a retired USAF Lieutenant Colonel who works as an engineer in the aero-space industry & also teaches high level math at a university. In his spare time he teaches marksmanship at the US Olympic Training Center and he’s a practicing Catholic who in his other spare time assists at his parish church.

    The other Tea Party activist with whom I’m acquainted is a chip development engineer who works for Intel and who also is a practicing Catholic.

    But to know-it-all neocommie Klein, those guys are ignorant know-nothings.

    Klein’s a pathetic jerk.

  • doctorfixit

    Klein, you dumbass Journ-0-lister. This is not rocket science.
    1. Cut taxes.
    2. Get the government out of our lives.
    3. Fire liberals and boycott their businesses.
    4. Destroy liberal facism by any means necessary.
    If you know how to swing an axe, you know how to cut down a tree.

  • doctorfixit

    They have a contract with Journ-0-list.

  • infidel18

    Klein;
    It’s your arrogance, like this administration’s, that causes this type of backlash and pendulum swing where “average” middle class voters say, enough, who the F#%*# cares if this person cannot name off the top her head her least favorite high court opinion. The confirmation process is a party politics joke anyway rather than a exercise of scholarly legal debate. Obama demonstrated this when he voted against the most qualified individual to ever sit on the bench when he voted against Roberts. So save your righteous indignation against Ms. O’Donnell because B.O. ‘s Senate votes were never based upon anything resembling independent thought. He always voted the partyline. The American people have finally decided that they have had enough of these carreer politicians. How could a few of us non-pedigreed “commoners” do any worse than the nut-job, side-show, crooks up there now? Frankly, we might be better off if congress just adjourned for 5 years. But absent that possibility, we will try bringing in amateurs with their own new ideas. We know “diversity” is only a one way street with you liberals and you dread true debate. So in November, plan on feeling like you did in 1994 and 2004 and cry yourself into a state of disbelief and dream of happier days, just 2 short years ago, when a lifetime of subsidized arugula salads, goat cheese pizza and 40 years of liberal tyrany all seemed possible. Stand tall little man.

  • doctorfixit

    Amen. I’ve had enough of the insufferably arrogant elitists. Drain the trough at the university faculty lounge.

  • doctorfixit

    “idolizing” we leave to the liberal fascists, who worship their Messiah in phony Roman temples. We have respect for practical common sense values, we don’t worship idols.

  • doctorfixit

    Klein = “small”. His name fits. Small man syndrome writ large. As with so many shorties, he’s insufferably arrogant. I remember how the commie-crats ran down Eisenhower and Reagan as dummies. Oh, yeah. Adlai Stevenson, the pointy headed intellectual. Jimmah Cahtuh, the Southern Aristotle. The problem with the elites is their disconnection from reality. In theory, communism works. They just can’t get past it. It works, in theory, we just have to keep trying. We have to! We have to! It works, in theory, it works. We have to keep trying! We have to! We have to!

  • mertsj

    Joe, you should be an expert on ignoramuses and fully qualified to recognize one when you see one.
    But then, I am mystified as to why you couldn’t recognize Patty Murray, Barbie Boxer, and Mary Lou Landrieu as belonging to the same group.
    Oh, I forgot. Only conservatives can be ignoramuses.

  • mertsj

    If you haven’t seen Glenn Beck’s impersonation of Joe Klein you should look it up. He has the fraud nailed to a T.

  • http://kfodor.wordpress.com kfodor

    Joe:

    What you don’t get here is that it’s the supposedly, “intelligent”, “forward thinking”, “scholarly” candidates that have gotten this country into the mess it’s in.

    They have stolen from us, Joe…don’t you get that? Take the Social Security trust fund…democrats, republicans, they’ve all spent the money we invested in the program! We were told it was going to our retirements…instead, it went to all kinds of political favors, $300 toilet seats, $100 hammers, and post offices with politician’s names on them.

    Now, it’s broke. Thanks to the “scholarly” people who were well-bred…and, supposedly, intelligent.

    Sharon Angle and the others may not be the best candidates, but they sure as hell can’t do any worse…

    If America was truly “fair” (as Barack Obama would like to see), we’d put every congressman and senator and President for the past 30 years…on trial for malfeasance of the public money.

    If a CEO did to their company what America is doing to its citizens…they’d be fired, with no hope for severance or a “golden parachute.”

    Why are we mad? This is why. Do you get it now, Joe?

  • liberalmeltdown

    Pel, I am NOT talking about TARP. I am talking about the 350 Billion dollar bail out of Citi. It was a separate bailout, engineered by Timothy Turbotax Geithner.
    .
    You deal with it.
    .
    http://www.totalnoid.com/2009/12/14/rolling-stones-matt-taibbi-obamas-big-sellout/

    “What’s most troubling is that we don’t know if Obama has changed, or if the influence of Wall Street is simply a fundamental and ineradicable element of our electoral system. What we do know is that Barack Obama pulled a bait-and-switch on us. If it were any other politician, we wouldn’t be surprised. Maybe it’s our fault, for thinking he was different.”

  • danimal100

    Please bear with me… I started as a dishwasher, then cook, then kitchen manager. Joined the Army and served observing the Wall(Germany for two years) and bantering around the Iraq desert in 1991. Came home to put myself through a mechanical engineering degree, then to work and a family of five including myself and the fetching Mrs. Danimal. Along the way I have traveled to the Orient, Mexico, Canada, Taiwan, and many parts of the good ol’ US of A.

    As a history buff I have read our founding Constitution that fits on 21 pages of 8 1/2 x 11 paper that can easily be read by a student with an average high school education. Why is that not taught or highlighted within your frame of reference?

    These are the people of the Tea Party. Come argue.

    Mr. KIein, with all due respect, your publication is part of the problem. You will ‘out’ the O’Donnells of the world but not the Rather’s that falsify documents about a sitting prez. Or, you will cover up people like Mr. Edward Kennedy who essentially murdered Mary Jo Kopechne. Please look inward as the soldiers that protect your right to life and freedom that allows your profession to prosper.

    Is Mrs., or Ms., O’Donnell a nitwit for real or what you think she is? Please review my record and understand that this might represent the overwhelming majority of those you wish to label ‘teabaggers’

    Off record I wish I could argue with my 210 lbs. of muscular…… :-D

    Danimal100

    Soaking in all of your comments. Have a great weekend!!

  • wrecktafire

    Thank you, Joe, for putting your finger on our problem.
    In the 1960′s, when we overthrew all authority, one of the things we overthrew was the idea that some ideas are right and some are ridiculous. Now, every idiot gets to have his say, and we’re all supposed to applaud him for participating.

    The comment sections of online America are abuzz with ignorance and untruths of titanic proportions, but you need to deal with this: they are 99% recycled ideas they got from the media, so don’t be so quick to point the finger at ignoramuses “out there”.

    The media, endless purveyors of claptrap, are the pump that keeps the political toilet bowl swirling with ever new tidbits of titillation. Are really that surprised that people are equating ignorance with innocence?

  • wrecktafire

    Oops…

    Are YOU really that surprised, etc.

  • herby002

    “She couldn’t name a Supreme Court decision she disagreed with, not even Roe v. Wade.”

    She should have said “all of them”. Worked for Palin, right?

  • navywings

    LOL….funny. Here I thought the piece was about Democrats until I was halfway through it ;) .

  • tommy928

    Joe, you probably exclude yourself from the ignorants of the world but actually the candidate was asked to name a RECENT Supreme Court Case. Unless you were seeking to be the Solicitor or Attorney General I do not see the relevance. A better question would be as to her advice and consent of judicial nominees. I saw the debate and she was much less ignorant than you and your MSM buddies were during all of 2008 about the lack of experience and qualification of Obama.

  • tommy928

    Great comment. But you left out Nancy Pelosi and of course the esteemed congressman Hank Johnson of “Guam tipping over from all the troops” fame. And little Joe calls Christine for being ignorant of facts and issues. This guy is a certifiable moron. We still hear about Dan Quayle’s spelling 20 years later. Imagine if old Hank was white and a Republican – Letterman and those other tv clowns would still be bringing it up once a week.

  • wyomingmali

    I’ll take Christine O’Donnell over Al Franken any day. That guy is a major embarrassment to the U. S. Senate.

  • liberalmeltdown

    I nominate Lorreta Sanchez D CA. Dumber than a box of rocks. She recently said that in addition to the typical talking points comments about sealing the border with Mexico (and comprehensive immigration reform, blah, blah, blah…) that we should also seal the borders of Hawaii, Guam, and Puerto Rico. Yep, seal those borders.

  • charlesbogle

    I am not a Tea Partier, and will not vote for any of them. But good Lord I do understand their fury with this president and the self-appointed media experts who helped promote him above his pay grade.

    Most of them, like Klein, still don’t get it. They still consider themselves and those they have anointed to be experts, despite all the overwhelming evidence to the contrary. An expert, by definition, ought to be someone who is right more often than a stopped clock. To be defending the various bailouts and takeovers at this point, when it is quite obvious they have utterly failed to achieve their stated goals, is akin to incurable intellectual blindness.

    None of these experts saw this depression coming. They could not predict it and are helpless to explain it or cure it. In what sense then can they be described as experts? And by what logic could ordinary Americans picked at random out of the phone book not do better than this sorry collection of clueless clowns?

    The Austrian economists and other informed, historically minded libertarians saw this coming. They know how it happened, and why. They know what government should and should not do about it (hint: the exact opposite of what Bush and Obama have done). They are the only ones entitled to be called experts at this point.

    So Mr. Klein, stop bemoaning the ignorance of the American people. They are about to prove themselves at least better informed than you. And they are preparing top repudiate this mad hatter administration on a scale that none of you self-styled experts have predicted. Even Dick Morris — who sees this particular tsunami better than most of the other pundits — is going to be surprised the morning after by how much bigger it was than he dared imagine.

  • odirony

    Nothing gets by you, eh Freedomfan?

  • kevlaur

    Is this guy serious? An average every day American citizen isn’t ‘smart’ enough to be a politician? Is he serious? No WONDER people, and myself, are flocking to the tea party. I’d much rather vote for a candidate who is honest and will work hard at what is good for American instead of shoving bills down our throats and telling us we’re too stupid to understand what’s good for us.

  • stanbiyerman

    It was our “best and brightest” who gave us Vietnam. William F. Buckley said he’d rather be governed by the first 400 people listed in the Boston phone book than the entire faculty of Harvard.

    Our current leader is from Harvard and we’re going to spend $4.1 TRILLION more than we take in during his administration’s first three years. We’re fighting a war – even doing a troop “surge” – while at the same time our leader has announced that we’re quitting the war next July. He actually thinks we can make “peace” with terrorists and we can raise taxes during a severe recession.

    We continue to confuse formal education with actual, real world experience and common sense. There’s a difference between running a business or running a country or running a family and writing a term paper.

    Unitl we get that right, we’re going to have 10% (or higher) unemployment and all matters foreign and domestic will get worse – not better.

  • seekingrationalthought

    This is the first nervous breakdown that I’ve seen in print in quite some time. Mr. Klein is saying that if we don’t like his friends, we are idiots. And he calls us diseased? This is puerile drivel is why I won’t buy Time any more.

    The most revealing thing in this essay is its discussion of “elites.” By focussing on Mr. Rattner, Mr. Klein shows his East Coast/New York provincialism. No one considers financiers to be either elite or admirable. At least no more admirable than a farmer or a plumber. Members of all of these professions can be admirable or scum. Only a warped mind admires a profession, not individuals. Mr. Klein needs to get a life and learn how the real world works.

  • doctorfixit

    I wonder how long the elites are going to keep bashing us over the head with what stupid, racist, greedy, selfish ignoramuses we are. Are Time’s circulation numbers not dropping fast enough for you, Joe? Are too many people still tuning in to your Sunday morning blabber-fest appearances?

  • freedomfan

    Here is the most devastating evisceration of Joe Klein’s celebration of “progressive” elitism, I’ve ever seen:

    http://www.youtube.com/v/D0MESB6VZM4?version=3

  • http://dougyr2000.wordpress.com dougyr2000

    Talk about ignorant just read Mr. Klein. He has lost the pulse of Americans, that is if he ever had it at all.

    The country is in major trouble and much of it has to do with the elitists in Washington and New York. This is not about Left and Right but about right and wrong. Mr Klein is wrong.

    How can he write an editorial and state who has experience and who does not when he did not care one bit about experience when Mr. Obama was running for President.

    From now on I hope the nation is show enough intelligence to at least look for a President who has a history of doing something more then running for office.

    However for our representatives the only experience is to live in the real world outside of Washington and New York. I want my representatives to be people just like me who have experienced the things we see in the fly by states.

    We see what our experienced representatives have done for us. $1.4 trillion deficits and then more spending. A bankrupt dollar and unemployment or under employment hitting almost 1 in 5 workers in the nation.

    Joe I believe you and you misguided beliefs are what are harming the nation. I truly believe Time will not be around much longer with dopes like yourself running the show. You ideas are better suited to cocktail parties and other elitist events and should not be sent out to the real America. We are done with it.

  • cocre8

    Unfortunately, I have to agree with Joe. I think most Americans are deplorable if not downright idiotic. Being raised both in Asia and these United States, I have a unique vantage on this particular point. I first went to school in Asia and then started to attend American schools later and found there were many differences in the two. Most kids here are spoiled, petulant, lazy, self-absorbed, drug/alcohol addicted messes compare to their counterparts in other countries. Then they grow up to be petty, uneducated, disgruntled people who are closed minded, narrow in their scope, and rigid in their ideology. I feel sorry for most people here because it really isn’t their fault. It’s what, I believe, the true “elites” of the country want, (ie. the World Bank, IMF, etc.) is a dumbed-down electorate. They have worked on this for generations and it’s finally bearing fruit. The “ignoramuses” are easier to manipulate. Welcome to your future.

  • tomdabomber

    Who left you in charge of the ignorance barometer Klien? What about B. Boxer, H Reid, N. Pelosi and the rest of the Obamanation? I am sick to death of the far left elitists (yourself included) and the blithering idiots that pay attention to them.

  • cbcurt

    Hey Joe,
    A great nation exposes its decline not with those you call ‘ignoramouses’ but as a result of electing lying marxists that want to bankrupt our future generations and kill productivity by stealing from the the ‘rich’ to give to their hair brained schemes of propping up an arrogant government that believes it can plan our lives more effectively than we can. A 5th grader with common sense could do a better job governing than what we have today with our ‘brilliant, annointed, saviors’. Give me the ‘ignoramouses’ anyday!

  • prochoicegrandma

    Sarah Palin may be standing at the helm with her hand on the wheel, but I guarandamntee you that some very powerful neocons are steering the vessel. Palin is incapable of anything but the photo op as pilot. She faked her pregnancy, which most people felt was too absurd to believe it was anything but a smear, but John McShame’s campaign people were busy scrubbing as much evidence as possible AFTER they realized they failed to vet her thoroughly. She can’t keep her stories straight, forgetting where and when she “had” Trig. Her pregnancy hoax is the best kept secret in the media, but just like John Edwards and Mark Sanford, it will eventually be exposed.

    http://palingates.blogspot.com/search/label/babygate

    Joe Klein suspected “babygate” back on 8-30-08.

    It has been more than 2 years since Factcheck.org hastily published on 9-16-08, “Muting the Mommy Melodrama” with their erroneous finding based solely on ONE picture, the 4-13-08 Gusty photo. FactCheck.org felt that ONE picture (which mysteriously surfaced on 8-31-08) proved that Palin was pregnant, when in fact it only showed a picture where she looked pregnant. Palin was wearing a fake pregnancy belly.

    Much more information, pictures and videos have been discovered since the 9-16-08 “Muting the Mommy Melodrama” which disproves FactCheck.org’s finding.

    The mysterious source of the 4-13-08 Gusty photo closed their Flickr account.
    http://palingates.blogspot.com/2009/10/palinbots-have-finally-proven-that.html

    Trig Palin was not born on 4-18-08, which is why Palin cannot and will not produce his birth certificate to silence the “looney conspiracy theory” because it would prove she lied about his birth. Trig’s “birth” of 4-18-08 was a staged presentation, and Sarah got caught in a lie when her father told reporters her water broke in Texas and she stumbled in that first interview by confirming that she began leaking amniotic fluid at 4 am on 4-17-08. She was unprepared to adlib from her prepared statement.

    This great photographic timeline of Sarah’s “pregnancy” with Trig includes the “Wild Ride” from Texas to Alaska. Watch the two videos and I guarandamntee that you will be gobsmacked:

    http://palingates.blogspot.com/2010/07/two-videos-about-babygate-sarah-palins.html

    Oh, don’t forget to see Sarah’s latest version, she forgot she “had” Trig at 8 mo, now she says 7.5 months and forgets where she “had” him:

    http://palingates.blogspot.com/2010/10/sarah-palin-in-montgomery-alabama-says.html

    BTW, the “birther” conspiracy about President Obama’s place of birth was started by a right-wing nutjob Philip Berg in mid-August 2008, shortly before Palin was flown to John McCain’s ranch. One “crazy birther conspiracy story” would certainly make a similar “conspiracy story about a birth” look suspicious and crazy, now wouldn’t it?? The Republicans are very good at jumping ahead of a story in order to discredit it.

  • herby002

    “… you may find that there are some amazing people in this country and intelligent and observant in their own right.”

    You’re right. You forgot, though, to point out that they’re Democrats, mostly.

  • liberalmeltdown

    Ah, there’s the Joe Klein fanclub.

  • lweaton

    The scariest part of this entire article is that Joe Klein has situated himself into such a place that he believes he will “be there” to WELCOME anybody at all to Washington, D.C.

    Personally, it would be well worth voting every single person out of D.C. just to watch the elite snobs like Klein’s heads explode.

    They mistakenly believed all the rest of us look down our noses at the rest of the people in this country as they do.

    Regardless of whether Klein et al. approve of the new candidates, the fact that they cannot do any worse than what’s there now doesn’t escape the rest of us.

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