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Noble Nobel

I’ve been caught up in catching up with my life after a month on the road, so I’m shamefully late in congratulating the Nobel Committee for its selection of Liu Xiaobo for its Peace Prize this year. The Chinese government is going berserk, of course, snubbing the Norwegians and putting the laureate’s wife under house arrest. It’s always good to remember that they don’t call themselves the Middle Kingdom for nothing: they are as xenophobic, as convinced of their superiority and righteousness, as any country on earth…and they’ve been getting rather chesty lately, threatening the Japanese, threatening tariffs against American chicken manufacturers–!–and dragging their feet on currency reform.

The Chinese have helped quietly, but significantly, in keeping Pakistan from going off the rails; and their willingness to join the Iran sanctions regime is important. But not so important that we need to maintain radio silence every time they start acting obnoxiously. Our signals can be subtle, like sending Secretary of Defense Robert Gates to Vietnam to discuss mutual defense issues (the Vietnamese have been threatened by China for 2,000 years). Or they can be less than subtle, like having the Senate pass the House legislation that would give the President the power to impose tariffs on the Chinese if they don’t reform their currency.

It is important to remember the basic equation here: The Chinese don’t have us over a barrel. We’ve had the better of the deal. We get their products; they’ve got our debt. I’ll take that deal anytime, especially since we have ultimate power over how much that debt actually is worth.

And so congratulations, Liu Xiaobo. And  let the Chinese understand that their ranting in protest only causes them to lose face, and seem weak, in the eyes of the world.

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  • Ike Jakson

    Joe

    Your final sentence:

    “And let the Chinese understand that their ranting in protest only causes them to lose face, and seem weak, in the eyes of the world.”

    So you have been driving around America on a bus for a month. When did you have the time to speak to the rest of the World about how they see China?

    You are talking through your neck, Joe.

  • nflfoghorn

    I would think, IJ, he can communicate without standing still.

  • nflfoghorn

    …and since our larynxs are located in our necks, what other way does he communicate?

  • newfreedomblog

    “I’m shamefully late in congratulating the Nobel Committee for its selection of Liu Xiaobo for its Peace Prize this year. The Chinese government is going berserk, of course, snubbing the Norwegians and putting the laureate’s wife under house arrest.”

    .
    I’m just wondering Joe, had the people in the United States wanted the same treatment of Barack Obama last year when he won his “Nobel Peace Prize” do you think Michelle would have liked being slammed in the clinker too?
    .
    Oh that’s right, those crazy Norwegians gave Obama a prize for basically doing NOTHING. Why would Michelle have to suffer any consequences?

  • porkdumpling

    While China is certainly a fertile target for criticism, threatening Japan over the captivity of a Chinese sea captain shouldn’t be one of them. Japan was unnecessarily provocative and got slapped back hard as a result, deservedly so.
    .
    Or Joe, would you equally defend Iran for holding US hikers captive?

  • GivenUp

    How was Japan being unnecessarily provocative? They way I understand it is that the Japanese coast guard tried to warn off a Chinese fishing vessel in what the Japanese view as their territorial waters. When the captain of that fishing vessel allegedly rammed the coast guard vessel. Taking the captain into custody over that seems reasonable in view of events. The crew of the ship was not held.

  • porkdumpling

    Nice of you to believe the Japanese version of events. Have any proof that’s actually what happened?
    .
    Area of the confrontation was in disputed waters. Japan shouldn’t have held the captain. If the parties were reversed, I would argue the same. Holding a citizen of another country when the circumstances are under dispute is provocative, and Japan got spanked for it. No one came to their defense over the matter, which is why they folded like a cheap lawn chair when China reacted.

  • GivenUp

    I have a tendency to believe the version of events I hear from a liberal democratic state and see reported in all the major news sources I read.
    As far as I can tell China’s historical claim to those islands is no stronger than their historical claim to Tibet and no stronger than Japan’s claim.
    An attack on Japanese coast guard vessels in those circumstances is in no way justifiable. Japan folded because China was going to withhold shipments of rare earth metals which are vital to the Japanese economy.

  • nflfoghorn

    My bad: larynxes (plr) or larynges (plr)

  • apr2563

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/fang-lizhi/liu-xiaobo_b_758063.html
    .
    Joe, can you estimate how long the traditional media has fed us the talking point that economic development would lead to a great birth of freedom in China. Writers like Friedman, conservatives, and DLC types certainly sold us this bill of goods. Were you one of those believers?
    .
    It fit well with the free trade belief that NAFTA and other trade treaties would lead to fair competition even though labor and environmental concerns were left out of the picture. This is another whoopsie.

  • GivenUp

    Arguably there have long been examples that improving economic circumstances does not lead to human rights and democracy.
    Examples include (and apologies for invoking this) Nazi Germany, Imperial Japan, and for a time even the Soviet Union (we thought they were doing better than us for a while). The whole development —> democracy and human rights has not really bee the case.
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    The people who invoke this idea seem not to have done their homework.

  • Joe Klein

    Apr–I’ve been “guilty” of that belief as well, ever since I spent a month in China in 1993. It’s taken longer than I hoped, but recent stirrings among the Chinese workers, environmental groups and middle class demanding their rights sre signs that the Chinese people are finally beginning to demand the next stage in their liberation from communism–some basic rights and a social safety net. I have no doubt that China will not be able to move toward a more advanced economy without (a) paying their workers more (b) giving them some real security and (c) transparency.

  • apr2563

    Joe, thank you for responding. My concern for years is that in implementing the treaties we did nothing to not only protect our workers but also the workers of other countries. It was obvious what would happen.
    .
    When I read about the Mariannas and how we allowed the abuse of labor there all in the name of corporate profit, supported by our country, I have little faith left that we will support the Chinese people when they push for their rights. Again, corporate interests have too much at stake.
    .
    Joe, don’t you and other journalists recognize how corrupt our system is and what an olicharchy we now have?

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