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Terrorist Attack in Nevada

Sharron Angle, the nitwit Republican candidate for Senate in Nevada, is now claiming that there is a threat of a Muslim takeover of several cities–like Dearborn, Michigan, which has a large Muslim population. Actually, I was just in Dearborn a few weeks ago. Celebrating the end of Ramadan with–yikes!–Muslims. They were business owners and academics, moderate to conservatives, most of them were former members of the Republican party who had joined that august organization because they are social conservatives and anti-big government. They hadn’t left their Republican values; the Republican Party had left them because it sanctioned the kind of smear attacks leveled by people like this Angle.

I have no idea what impact Angle’s idiocy will have on the legions of the mindless and witlessly convinced. It is a form of terrorism, though. It may result, at the margins, in dirty looks and shunning directed at women in hejab; it may result in one of those whitebread militia psychopaths, whom Bart Gellman wrote about on our cover last week, to take matters into his own hands. I’m waiting to hear whether any member of the Republican leadership has anything to say about this.

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  • 53_3

    Oh snap!

  • 53_3

    –Tom Brokaw, reporting for World News Tonight about the Muslim takeover of three American cities.

  • http://jeustor.wordpress.com jeustor

    hahaha..threat of Muslim take-over in Nevada huh..what would a Terrorist want with Nevada? That would be like a SNL skit with Michael Moore guest hosting… fear..fear…fear…gets them voting Republican.Did you notice how there one of those threats just before every major election. That’s the only thing the Republicans have to use…fear..far..fear..vote for us and we’ll protect you from the big bad terrors that wan to tale over Wisconsin..hahaha….creeps…

  • groenhagen2

    It was the Obama admin that just released the latest warning about an al Qaeda threat, airhead.

  • freeinpa

    JK:

    .
    “the nitwit Republican candidate for Senate”

    .
    The other day you wrote about how over a month long trip away from the pit of insider Washington tactics you connected with real Americans.
    .
    Amazing how it took you less than a day to become the jackass you have always been.

  • 53_3

    “And then this rotund airhead Klein notes the cover story as if it has any relevance.”
    .
    One good turn deserves another I guess. Or is it that you didn’t realize you just parodied yourself?
    .
    I mean, your comments certainly don’t have any relevance to this story, now do they…

  • 53_3

    see 3.1

  • 53_3

    It was, groeny, but the Obama admins’ warning is based in reality.
    .
    You do know what reality is, don’t you?
    .
    sigh
    .
    I guess some people these days never heard the nursery rhyme Chicken Little…

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    I see groen still suffers from some ‘issues’.
    .
    Did those pills you take stop working?

  • Jonathan Evans

    I could not agree more. I have countless Muslim friends who were always reliable Republicans through the 2000 elections. As you noted, low taxes and socially conservative policies were their top priorities. These voters have not truly embraced the Democratic Party (as late as 2006 some still self-identified as Republicans), but as long as the Republican Party continues to make Islam a wedge issue and promote a reckless foreign policy that appears indifferent to Muslim life, these people will vote for Democrats. At this point, I think the damage for Republicans among Muslims might be irreversible for the foreseeable future.

  • m0mentom0ri

    “effeminate men”
    .
    “limp-wristed”
    .
    Most people outgrow gay jokes as a personal slur sometime before high school. Hopefully, before someone dies.
    .
    Here are the end results of your sort of attitude, groen.
    .
    http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial-page/buffalo-news-editorials/article214326.ece

  • groenhagen2

    You mean the pills you sent me? No, I never took them since I don’t need Viagra, little man. If you send me your address, I’ll return them since the prescription does have your name on it.

  • groenhagen2

    Funny. If Muslims ever did take over this country, liberals would be the first to go. Guys like Barney Frank and Joe Klein would be sentenced to death.

  • freeinpa

    ” the legions of the mindless and witlessly convinced”
    .

    Although JK you and the MSM and the left here fall into those legions. But I the more name calling and mud slinging you do takes away from the ongoing failure known a the Obambi administration along with Team Donkey in Congress

  • 53_3

    groeny = Chicken Little

  • 53_3

    All they did was make his “audience” bigger, I think…

  • m0mentom0ri
  • groenhagen2

    m0mentom0ri:

    You’re an idiot. “Effeminate” and “limp-wristed” can be applied to straight men as well as to gay men. I have no idea what Joe Klein’s sexual orientation is. However, I have seen him on television and he is definitely effeminate. I have no idea what Harry Reid’s sexual orientation is, but he is indeed a wimpy, little man.

  • groenhagen2

    “groeny = Chicken Little”

    Says the guy posting as “53_3″

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

  • nflfoghorn

    So, Freep, your righteousness trumps all logic and reason. Guess that’s why you’re so successful.

  • groenhagen2

    momentomori:

    Suicide is not tantamount to being sentenced to death, airhead.

  • nflfoghorn

    Gaydar phasers are on stun, right Groeny?

  • 53_3

    Groeny:
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    I hate to say it because you are absolutely right!
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    Hell, I voted for Obama just because he throws like a girl!
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    Just between you and me (shhhhhh!) those pink and yellow striped pigs flying SSW at 4300 feet?
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    Shhhhh! Don’t tell anyone!.
    They aren’t real…

  • northpoleresident

    Angle is more dangerous than O’Donnell could ever be. This kind of talk can lead to violence against American citizens of arab descent and there will be no accountability from any of the agitators.
    .
    The reason there are no republicans to denounce this vile bigoted talk is because inside this is how they feel as well. It is the same reason some commentators here choose to take personal shots at Joe. This way they can ignore the blatant racism and ignorance their GOP leaders spew.

  • nflfoghorn

    There’s a difference between taking one’s own life and the government doing it for you??? I fail to see.

  • m0mentom0ri

    “name calling and mud slinging”
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    Is Freepy turning the corner? Has he opened his mind beyond his hardline right wing demagoguery?
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    “Obambi ”
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    Nope.

  • Jonathan Evans

    I disagree. Islam in the United States is pluralistic. My Muslim friends are proud Americans and proud of our liberties. Ironically, many Muslims are freer here to practice their faith as they see fit than they would be in Islamic countries. Freedom of speech and religion are cherished values among American Muslims.

    Radical Islamism is marginalized among American Muslims. Muslim immigrants hate it as much here as they hated it in their countries of origin. For American Muslims who were born here, like my wife, for instance, American values and pluralism are the only values they have ever known.

  • 53_3

    Accuracy is my middle name, groeny. Did you or did you not write this:
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    If Muslims ever did take over this country…
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    It’s really, really, really hard to argue away your own words, which, incidentally are there for anyone to see at 6.1…

  • 53_3

    You notice that groeny’s favorite epithet is airhead?
    .
    Is there a connection here?

  • stuartzechman

    You’re a f*cking imbecile.

  • freeinpa

    “Accuracy is my middle name,”
    .

    BWHAHHAHHAHHA! Good one!

  • charlieromeobravo

    Has anyone else ever notices how the wing nuts on this blog board rarely ever attempt to to refute and argument but go straight to childish name calling and ridicule? I would think that Time would attract a higher class of wing nut…

  • m0mentom0ri

    “Suicide is not tantamount to being sentenced to death”
    .
    Tyler Clementi’s death is a direct result of the exact same sort of sexual orientation mockery you engage in virtually every post you’ve written here. In the case of Joe Klein, it isn’t even an accurate slur.
    .
    You believe your words have no effect. You think “ha ha! I called him ‘gay’! That really put him in his place!” You seem very proud of you childish antics, so much so, that you don’t even care if those actions result in the death of someone else.
    .
    Or is that your end goal for homosexuals, and those that don’t meet your masculinity requirements? What DO you mean by singling out men you don’t like as homosexuals?

  • 53_3

    Good move freeinpa. Silence is golden.
    .
    Guess that knot on your head over the science article still hurts, huh?
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    Advice:
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    Don’t try to do science, and above all, don’t try to defend insane babble like Sharon Angles’…

  • 53_3

    Well, freeinpa, you can laugh ’till your favorite cow comes home, but you haven’t been able to trump me on science, race, or global warming yet.
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    By the way, ‘IQ5′ just isn’t exactly what I would call a thrilling display of mental thunder…

  • 53_3

    There is what is referred to a ‘suicide by police’.
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    Now, groeny, I would suggest you take our collective advice and go home…

  • newfreedomblog

    Sharron Angle, the nitwit Republican candidate for Senate in Nevada
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    I have no idea what impact Angle’s idiocy will have on the legions of the mindless and witlessly convinced.”

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    Joe Klein has also called “Americans STUPID
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    Of course as we know, the elitist, or at least those who THINK they are elitist are actually the more mentally challenged in our country. Thus my favorite endearing word to describe them……LIBTARDS.
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    Fact: There is a large Muslim community in Dearborn, Michigan. They DO practice Sharia Law as part of their faith.
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    Fact: There has been a rise in killings in our country of women in particular with Father’s killing their daughters under their interpretation of the Quran, and practicing Sharia Law. Most recently the murders of two young women by the father who has since left this country back to his home in Egypt.
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    Perhaps this video by an Arab America can shed some light for you Joe Klein, and perhaps you can better understand it is your stupidity in your statement, and not the other way around.
    .

  • freeinpa

    “, your righteousness trumps all logic and reason.”
    .

    You confuse logic and reason for liberal beliefs. That is a mental disorder not logic and reason no matter how many times the left repeats things.
    .

    Is Freepy turning the corner? Has he opened his mind beyond his hardline right wing demagoguery?”
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    If you mean have I lost my mind — No

    But speaking of demagoguery how about the words of the President that would heal the divide in the nation

    Obama: GOP victory would mean “hand-to-hand combat” in Congress next year

    Yep sounds like a great uniter

  • 53_3

    Rusty chimes in with his regular supply of early morning racial hatred.
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    That, and a cup of Joe makes my day…

  • freeinpa

    “You believe your words have no effect. You think “ha ha! I called him ‘gay’! That really put him in his place!” You seem very proud of you childish antics,”
    .

    More 5 star hypocrisy by the left. Nearly every day there are thinly veiled innuendos made by liberals to conservatives here about them being gay, pedophiles etc.

    Tell me what effect did the words from Jerry Brown’s camp have on Whitman calling her a whore? And yet the left supports this “childish” candidate.

    Spare me you righteous indignation. All you prove is your are either a hypocrite or clueless although I wouldn’t rule out both.

  • 53_3

    “If you mean have I lost my mind — No”
    .
    in·san·i·ty
    noun \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\
    plural in·san·i·ties
    Definition of INSANITY
    1
    : a deranged state of the mind usually occurring as a specific disorder (as schizophrenia)
    2
    : such unsoundness of mind or lack of understanding as prevents one from having the mental capacity required by law to enter into a particular relationship, status, or transaction or as removes one from criminal or civil responsibility
    3
    a : extreme folly or unreasonableness b : something utterly foolish or unreasonable
    .
    chuckle

  • freeinpa

    You never fail to find a racist under every conservative bed. But then you are part of a whole infrastructure that has made racism into a career.
    .

  • groenhagen2

    freeinpa:

    And you never fail to find an airhead under every liberal bed. Islam is not a race, idiot.

  • 53_3

    Nope not under every conservative bed.
    .
    Just Rusty’s…

  • destor23

    I, for one, would love to have an open and frank discussion about the possibility that certain American cities and even our federal politics might be taken over by religious extremists. But I don’t think that conversation would go the way Angle expects.

  • 53_3

    CAT FIGHT!

  • groenhagen2

    charlie:

    “Has anyone else ever notices how the wing nuts on this blog board rarely ever attempt to to refute and argument but go straight to childish name calling and ridicule? I would think that Time would attract a higher class of wing nut…”

    You mean like “nitwit,” “idiocy,” and “mindless”? Didn’t Joe Klein set the standard here?

    I swear, debating liberals is like talking to a two-year-old.

  • 53_3

    Well, groeny, I would say that you opened the discussion quite nicely and set the tone for everyone as the first responder at 3.
    .
    Go take a look. After that, why don’t you tell us again who really is the two-year-old here…

  • groenhagen2

    Airhead, Islam is not a race. BTW, read the late Arthur Schlesinger’s Jr.’s “The Disuniting of America.” He was a prominent liberal scholar and his views were little different from Angle’s on this matter.

  • stuartzechman

    Joe Klein:
    .
    From your link:

    In a recording of the rally provided to The Associated Press by the Mesquite Local News, a man is heard asking Angle : “I keep hearing about Muslims wanting to take over the United States … on a TV program just last night, I saw that they are taking over a city in Michigan and the residents of the city, they want them out. They want them out. So, I want to hear your thoughts about that.”
    .
    Angle responds that “we’re talking about a militant terrorist situation, which I believe it isn’t a widespread thing, but it is enough that we need to address, and we have been addressing it.”

    You wrote

    I have no idea what impact Angle’s idiocy will have on the legions of the mindless and witlessly convinced.

    But the problem isn’t Sharon Angle’s idiocy, Joe Klein.
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    It’s that millions upon millions of people “keep hearing about Muslims wanting to take over the United States … on a TV program,” isn’t it?
    .
    A major, highly successful television network that holds itself out as a “news channel” that is “fair and balanced,” where “the spin stops” there, because they’re “looking out for you” has been “reporting” such things for years to ordinary folks who resent elites like you referring to them as “mindless” and “witless.”
    .
    The people in your cohort thought there were WMD in Iraq because sources that they trusted, and who appealed to their class sensibilities told them equally false claims. Were they all just as “mindless” as the millions just like this guy who saw on a TV program that Muslims are, in fact, taking over a city in Michigan, and who see, hear and read those “reports” day after day, hour after hour on cable television, talk radio, the internet and in print?
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    Sharon Angle couldn’t exist without that man having heard such terrifying tales from what your colleagues keep insisting is a legitimate news source. She’s not the problem, she’s a symptom of the problem. It seems from this exchange that she’s actually talking down a little the “take over” about which this person is so concerned, about which he heard from reputable news sources on television.
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    “Angle’s idiocy” will rise and fall with her election, Joe Klein, but that unnamed man and millions like him will still keep hearing about Muslims wanting to rule America day after day.
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    Your profession still seems to be afraid of confronting the misinformation campaign masquerading as trustworthy coverage that works along side them every day.
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    Why isn’t the title of this post “Terrorist Attack on the Press Corps?,” Joe Klein?

  • groenhagen2

    I have to remind you Little Stewie that the Clinton administration left office in January 2001 still claiming that Saddam had WMD and, thus, was “a clear and present danger at all times,” i.e., an imminent threat. Fox News celebrated its 14th anniversary yesterday, and the claim that Iraq had WMD was there before October 7, 1996.

    As far as hearing about Muslims wanting to take over the United States, you don’t need Fox News to convey that message. You merely have to listen to the Muslims themselves. The Muslim Brotherhood, which is much larger than al Qaeda, just declared war on the U.S. last month.
    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2010/10/027405.php

  • 53_3

    I think that there is a lot of truth in this, stuart.

  • groenhagen2

    53_3:

    “Accuracy” is your middle name. Funny, I thought it was “_,” coward.

  • 53_3

    Oh BTW, groeny, in re 13.1:
    .
    You wrote:
    “You merely have to listen to the Muslims themselves…”
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    And, just to point out yet another instance of self-parody, you replied to me under the commentary one of the very Muslims (or knowledgeable people about Islam) you said we should have listened to!
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    Not only did you ignore your own advice, but you immediately pointed to a Muslim organization outside the US!
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    So far, groeny, you are 2 fer 2 in the self-deprecation department…

  • 53_3

    Groeny:
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    Check out my commentary at 6:11. In the meantime, you’ve tossed me more than a few gratuitous insults, but I ask you this:
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    Please, please, please try to be more inventive…

  • chupkar

    God people depress me.

  • m0mentom0ri

    “More 5 star hypocrisy by the left. Nearly every day there are thinly veiled innuendos made by liberals to conservatives here about them being gay, pedophiles etc.”
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    Nice strawman. Do you have any actual examples you can cite?
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    I’ve smacked down inappropriate gay slurs here before. With one exception, its always been a right-winger – and more often than not, groen.
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    My question to you, Freepy: Do you think this sort of behavior is ok? Do you think both sides should be doing more of it? Or less of it? Are you part of the problem? Or part of the solution?
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    Here’s a hint: “They did it first!” is not an excuse.

  • groenhagen2

    53_3:

    I read your comment (commentary is was not) at 6.11. It was the same old nonsense from a poster who obviously lacks the capacity to offer a cogent argument.

  • groenhagen2

    momentomori:

    “I’ve smacked down inappropriate gay slurs here before. With one exception, its always been a right-winger – and more often than not, groen.”

    Where’s my gay slur, moonbat?

  • GivenUp

    We’ve tried cogent argument with you sniveling, dogmatic little people, unsurprisingly it didn’t work, now if you would kindly piss off there might be some substantive discussion on this thread.

  • groenhagen2

    nflfoghorn:

    “There’s a difference between taking one’s own life and the government doing it for you??? I fail to see.”

    That’s because you’re an extremely stupid individual.

  • pelhamite1

    Mr. G,

    It must be said that even among the cretinous trolls that pollute this site, you stand out as the most pathetic.

    I have met Ms. Joe Klein on a couple of occasions and she is a far more beautiful and classy woman than I expect you”ll come close to.

  • groenhagen2

    GivenUp:

    Do you believe the effeminate Joe Klein started with discussion with a cogent argument? If you do, then you’re a moron. It was a desperate attempt to smear the woman who is going to force the despicable, little man Harry Reid into retirement.

  • groenhagen2

    pelhamite1:

    “It must be said that even among the cretinous trolls that pollute this site, you stand out as the most pathetic. I have met Ms. Joe Klein on a couple of occasions and she is a far more beautiful and classy woman than I expect you”ll come close to.”

    I am a “cretinous troll,” yet you are a degenerate that broguth wives into the discussion? Incredible. I have never and would never bring Klein’s wife into the discussion, and it was inappropriate of you to bring my wife into the discussion.

  • 53_3

    So far groeny, you’ve oh-ferred on just about everything.

  • kevin

    You’re a f*cking imbecile.
    .
    I’ve long wondered which one of the right-wing trolls here would finally be the one who caused the usually zen-like Zechman to snap.
    .
    Congratulations, groehagen. Mother Teresa just gave you the finger. You’re that big of an a$$hole.

  • GivenUp

    I make a point of not attempting rational argument on irrational people, Joe Klein, while perhaps harsh in his words, seems to have come to the same conclusion.
    Treating the crazies, you included, as rational is frustrating and gives them more power than they deserve.

  • maurice2u

    Mostly just quoting from a post I made before, but I think the context is relevant to the questions you pose:
    .
    “I think what we forget is that so called “news” is part of the entertainment industry. They are selling a product, not fullfilling any kind of public service. It just simply isn’t in their mission statement or business model to create a well informed public no matter how much we might like that to be the case. There is no “4th estate”, so to speak. Outside of possibly PBS and C-SPAN, the majority of news sources are responsible for little more than what say American Idol is: entertaining people to get ratings (or in some case subscriptions) that will spur advertising dollars towards profit.
    .
    The thing about it is we (as a collective) don’t want news. We WANT to be entertained. In a really sad but accurate way, that is why Colbert, Limbaugh, Stewart, Fox News, Olberman, etc are top “fan” getters, and hardly anyone watches C-SPAN and even fewer know much substance about the topics they tend to be so “fired up” about. When people (as a mojority) choose news over entertainment, the salesmen will change their product lineup. I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting on that though. Human behavior continues to astound ……. and entertain.”
    .
    On an off topic note: what are you using to make the bold/italics/quote-blocks/etc? Is that just HTML coding or something esle particular to this blog’s text entry format?

  • 53_3

    Groeny:
    .
    Read what Jonathan Evans wrote at 6.
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    Read what you wrote at 13.1. Those were your words.
    .
    Now, is the Muslim Brotherhood outside the US or not?
    .
    And, further, isn’t Jonathan Evans at 6, who is either a Muslim himself, or someone who is knowledgeable about Islam, one of those people we should listen to?
    .
    Did you throw the gratuitous insult at 6.10?
    .
    One thing I really hate to do is to do ‘connect the dots’ for a two-year-old like yourself. So far, you’ve done nothing but toss insults, with no content whatsoever…

  • groenhagen2

    53_3:

    “Now, is the Muslim Brotherhood outside the US or not?”

    Where they are is a bit irrelevant, coward.

    “One thing I really hate to do is to do ‘connect the dots’ for a two-year-old like yourself. So far, you’ve done nothing but toss insults, with no content whatsoever…”

    That’s a classic example of projection.

  • pelhamite1

    SZ

    I would have liked to have seen the “TV Program” that the “Mesquite News” fellow saw that caused him to conclude that the “Muslims are taking over.” On the one hand, there is no question the press/internet/media call-it-what-you-will has dumbed itself down beyond all measure. But let us not let recipients off the hook either. The report could well have been along the line of “Dearborn elects Muslim mayor” and this guy might have flown off the handle. The bigger problem I see is that progressives get their news from more or less pregressive sources, right wing folks get thier news from Fox and the even more egregious right wing web sites and the distance between the two realities grows ever greater. That the problem is more pronounced on the right than the left doesn’t get us any closer to a solution. The experience on this site, yea, in this very thread, is sort of crushing my soul.

  • groenhagen2

    GivenUp:

    “I make a point of not attempting rational argument on irrational people, Joe Klein, while perhaps harsh in his words, seems to have come to the same conclusion.
    Treating the crazies, you included, as rational is frustrating and gives them more power than they deserve.”

    Yes, I guess the rational people are like Harry Reid, who wants to put government in charge of health care and explode the deficit, and the cowardly dweebs like you who support him. You’re such an airhead.

  • 53_3

    Well groeny, I hate to tell you this, but the Muslim Bortherhood has no chance of ‘taking over the US’. Hence:
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    groeny = Chicken Little
    .
    Next:
    .
    Jonathan Edwards is in the US, and in case you hadn’t noticed, the geographic context of Angles’ comments are the US and Nevada.
    .
    Hence:
    .
    It does indeed matter whether we are talking about US Muslims or not.
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    Next,
    .
    If that were not enough stupidity on your part, we have you at 3, commenting as first responder, claiming Joe Klein’s commentary as irrelevant, when in fact, your commentary had nothing to do with the subject!.
    .
    Go read your comments yourself.
    .
    Mornings are even better when crackheads like you or freeinpa walk into walls…

  • 53_3

    See 18.1

  • allthingsinaname

    “A major, highly successful television network that holds itself out as a “news channel” that is “fair and balanced,” where “the spin stops” there, because they’re “looking out for you” has been “reporting” such things for years to ordinary folks who resent elites like you referring to them as “mindless” and “witless.” ”
    .
    I submit that Joe is correct, they are “mindless and witless” how else could it be a major highly successful television network?

  • allthingsinaname

    Oh and in defense of my recent post here is yopur response to Groenhage2 Who most likely watches that highly successful television.
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    “You’re a f*cking imbecile.”
    .

  • allthingsinaname

    This should have been 13.6 and my 13.6 should be 13.7
    .
    Talk about being mindless and witless.

  • newfreedomblog

    “Has anyone else ever notices how the wing nuts on this blog board rarely ever attempt to to refute and argument but go straight to childish name calling and ridicule?”

    .
    Actually charlieromeo, the childish name calling as you have identified started a LONG LONG time ago, by your fellow liberals. I suppose since you are rather new to the swamp you were not privy to this information from the past.
    .
    Those of us on the conservative side of the issues, and who refute the distortions and lies being told on this site by the biased reporters like Joe Klein are now using those same tactics.
    .
    As I have said before. If someone wants to truly debate the issues in a civil and adult manner, I will be more than happy to oblige. But, until each and every last one of the liberal LIBTARDS on this site stop how they use childish tactics, which I have identified a long time ago as 3rd grade playground name calling, I will continue to throw it right back at you all.
    .
    Get it?
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    Enjoy.

  • acameronw

    I’ve seen a lot of mud slung about in the sections above, which I will let pass without comment. (One exception: groenhagen should really track down a psychiatric dictionary and look up the word “projection.) But what I haven’t seen anybody address directly is how preposterous Ms. Angle’s statements are. Not harmful or misguided but ridiculous. The population of Deerfield – whatever its ethnic makeup – can make rules about burning leaves and days for trash pickup, but they can’t change real laws willy nilly, even if they wanted to. Last time I checked, Deerfield is still in Michigan and Michigan is still in the United State. And while I am loathe to stoop low enough to address the particulars of this ridiculous argument I would like to see some polling on how many American Muslims (less than 2% of the population) are opposed to the idea of Sharia law. Is it so hard for the Angles of the world to accept the fact that American Muslims believe in democracy as much as the rest of us? Yes, I guess it is.

    One more thing: Ms. Angle did not, will not, and cannot supply a single example of how Sharia law has affected the lives of the citizens of Deerfield.

  • newfreedomblog

    You are the lamest twit of them all IQ53. Sucks to be you, right?

  • newfreedomblog

    Their fixed delusions which are constant do not permit them to fully understand reality. Only the delusions within their minds that all conservatives are gay hating, racist, bigots.
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    But, that of course is the only meme the Democrat Party has left to debate any of our current issues with these days.
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    From the heights of 2008, to now. The Liberals and Democrats have fallen like Humpty-Dumpty. What a shame.

  • GivenUp

    I like how you keep making my point for me, please continue

  • acts17apologetics

    Joe Klein says he was fine in Dearborn as he celebrated Ramadan with the Muslims there. This is hardly surprising.

    Now try questioning the Qur’an or Sharia at the Dearborn Arab Festival, and see how fine you are.

    Try handing out copies of the New Testament outside of the festival, and see how fine you are.

    Try talking to young Muslims about Christianity and see how fine you are.

    Yes, it’s extreme to pretend that Dearborn has fully turned to Sharia Law. But it’s equally extreme to say that Sharia isn’t having an influence.

  • GivenUp

    Don’t be so optimistic, i’m sure she could make a few up

  • newfreedomblog
  • acts17apologetics

  • newfreedomblog

    Harry Reids’ favorite LIVING Americans.
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    In response to a question asking Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid if he could name the “greatest living American,“ Reid responded with ”Ted Kennedy“ and ”Robert Byrd.” One problem (possibly among many), the interview was conducted after Kennedy‘s and Byrd’s deaths.*

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    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/what-reid-calls-robert-byrd-and-ted-kennedy-greatest-living-americans/
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    Hey Harry!!! They are both DEAD!!!

  • newfreedomblog

    Gee, things are truly bad for Liberals / Democrats. Even stuartzechman can now be officially called a LIBTARD too.
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    Good job, zechman. I knew we could bring out the best of you here in the swamp!!
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    Nitwits indeed.

  • allthingsinaname

    Try handing out the Koran at your church festival.
    Try talking to young Christians about Islam at your church festival.
    Try questioning Christianity at your church festival.

  • sciurini

    Thanks Jonathan Evans for your post. Everything else on this thread does little to explore the issue, except for a couple of others here and there. Why can’t we debate instead of name calling?
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    I believe Sharia law can never be the law in the United States as long as the government and the people uphold seperation of church and state.
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    It doesn’t matter if a muslim holds himself/herself accountable under muslim rules as long as it doesn’t break our laws. My parents live by a strict interpretation of the bible that is seen as extreme by any baptist or methodist. I was forced to live by this interpretation as a child. It doesn’t mean biblical law is being practiced by their city.
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    The best way to combat sharia law is to uphold the seperation of church and state..not discriminate against islam.

  • groenhagen2

    I don’t need a dictionary. As a long-time observer of liberals, I am fully aware of what projection is.

    “Is it so hard for the Angles of the world to accept the fact that American Muslims believe in democracy as much as the rest of us? Yes, I guess it is.”

    So the Muslim taxi driver in Minneapolis who refuses to take passengers who are carrying alcohol believes in democracy as muh as the rest of us?
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,241527,00.html

    How about the Muslims who killed soldiers at Ft. Hood or attempting to set off a bomb in Times Square? Do they believe in democracy as much as the rest of us?

  • stuartzechman

    maurice2u:

    what are you using to make the bold/italics/quote-blocks/etc? Is that just HTML coding or something esle particular to this blog’s text entry format?

    Great question, good formatting makes it so much easier to read and respond to quality content in commentary.
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    It’s just HTML tags, or “coding” as you put it.
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    The way I got your quote to show up in that quote-block was to use the HTML tag “blockquote” before and after your text that I copied and based into this preview area.
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    Unfortunately, I’m going to have to be a little indirect in my instructions, because if I use the actual HTML tag that produces said effect in my explanation to you, this blog posting mechanism will take my tags literally, and will try to make things bold or italic or blockquoted, and not leave these tag-words visible to you.
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    So, it’s like this:
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    1) place “” all together, without the plus signs or quotes, in front of the text you’d like to block together
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    2) place “<" + “/” + “blockquote” + “>” all together, without the plus signs or quotes, immediately after the text you’d like to block together.
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    3) Voila! You’ve blockquoted that text.
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    Same goes for bold text:
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    1) place “” all together, without the plus signs or quotes, in front of the text you’d like to bold
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    2) place “<" + “/” + “b” + “>” all together, without the plus signs or quotes, immediately after the text you’d like to bold
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    … and italicized text:
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    1) place “” all together, without the plus signs or quotes, in front of the text you’d like to italicize
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    2) place “<" + “/” + “i” + “>” all together, without the plus signs or quotes, immediately after the text you’d like to italicize
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    Please forgive me for reiterating what you already know, if you already know what HTML formatting tags look like, but perhaps others here will benefit from such instructions, maurice2u.
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    So that’s it, that’s all there is to it.
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    Hopefully more of our conversations here will benefit from readability, as well as the superior commentary content for which Swampland has become known.

  • pelhamite1

    If you want to talk about a U. S. community that lives under religious law, there is nothing to compete with the village of Kiryas Joel in Orange county, New York. It entirely composed of Satmar Hasidic jews who live heavy isolation of secular law. among other things, their school system was found to be in violation of the First Amendment due to their insistence that boys and girls not share the same classroom. They lost that one, but continue to oppose the state’s insistence that they allow women bus drivers (women are ghenrally proscribed from driving).

    Now, myself, I don’t have a real problem with the more bizarre religious cults that dot our incredible nation, but I simply note that one can hardly imagine the hue and cry if a Muslim community attempted this degree of autonomy. I can just just see the froth coming out of the mouths of Beck, O’Reilly and that seemingly inexhaustable supply of snarky blondes that Fox seems to have on hand. I certainly do not want to see the development of an autonomous Muslim sub-culture of the sort that one sees in Britain or the Netherlands, but I note that it does not constitute a threat to the Republic.

  • http://elvisberg.wordpress.com Elvis Elvisberg

    The reason there are no republicans to denounce this vile bigoted talk is because inside this is how they feel as well.
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    There’s absolutely nothing to allegiance to the Tea/Republican Party except tribalism.
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    Ten years ago, why did people claim to be Republicans?
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    They claimed to want a more humble use of the military, a balanced budget, a smaller federal government, and a less powerful executive branch.
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    During the Bush era, we invaded a Middle Eastern country for what all Republicans in Congress say was a mistake (link), the deficit was massively increased, and the executive claimed the right to detain American citizens captured and held in the US indefinitely without trial.
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    As a result of his chain of calamities, by the end of Bush’s presidency, his approval rating was 34 percent. Independents gave him an approval rating of 28 percent; Republicans were at 75 percent (link). 75 percent.
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    A person identifies as a Tea Partier/Republican not because of any principles whatsoever, but due to tribal hatreds.
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    Tea/GOP’ers resent and sneer at liberals, Muslims, blacks, gays, whoever the enemy du jour is. It’s an allegiance based on a few unshakable resentments, and an ever-shifting cast of Emmanuel Goldsteins.
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    Sharron Angle is the perfect nominee for the Republican/Tea Party. She has nothing to offer but fear itself.

  • stuartzechman

    Come on, Rustydog, this sort of thing:
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    anyone else noticed that the critics of conservative women tend to be very unattractive women or…very effeminate men?
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    is just rank, stupid trollery, even if it’s sincerely meant by the moron who means it.
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    You know it, I know it, and everybody else here knows it.
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    Is that the sort of discussion you think we should be having about the politics that guides are beloved nation, Rustydog? Is that the free democratic discussion our men and women in uniform are sworn to defend?
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    Are we reduced to debating Dennis Miller’s stand up routine, while elites like Joe call us “witless” and “mindless?”
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    Be intellectually honest, Rustydog.
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    Don’t respond with “lib commenter X says nasty things, too!,” we can play that all day.
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    Call it what it is, Rustydog, even though this one’s on your side. Be honorable.

  • stuartzechman

    That should be “our beloved nation”

  • GivenUp

    We try debate but it is exceedingly difficult to hold rational discussions with the trolls here.
    That said it is also sometimes very difficult to resist retaliating in kind.

  • newfreedomblog

    “Are we reduced to debating Dennis Miller’s stand up routine, while elites like Joe call us “witless” and “mindless?”

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    Gee, where to start on this one mr zechman.
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    I want to first thank you for pointing out that Klein in his zeal to point out the “nitwits” on the right, that you do take some kind of distaste to his use of these tactics in his supposedly professional blogging.
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    However, as you then begin to demonize other news sources who are “fair and balanced” to point out what you believe to be some type of unfair reporting, Joe Klein is allowed to continue his un-abashed written abuse of folks who may disagree with him.
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    Day after day we come on this site. Day after day we see the so-called lame stream reporters from TIME.com write lies about the Tea Party, about Conservatives in general, or about Conservatives in the public arena.
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    Then today, you decide to attack someone who may have put a toe across the line. Why is that mr zechman? Did it make you feel good? Did it allow you to get all of your frustrations out?
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    Or, is it just simply following all of those who come here before you, and you just couldn’t resist the temptations to strike out yourself?

  • allthingsinaname

    OH OH it is apparent that the number system has changed stuart’s original post was 13 and now has moved up to 12 so my comment should have been 12.6 instead of 13.6 , that is until it changes again. At any rate it fun to try and keep track.

  • allthingsinaname

    Oh Oh again. the quote of stuart’s that I commented on post 12.7, that should have been 13.7, before it was changed seemed to have disappeared. In fact that entire thread is gone, which explains why stuart’s post 12 used to be 13 and now is 12.
    ..
    Are you all following this? Didn’t think so.

  • pelhamite1

    Thanks for the tutorial, SZ. Wish I could believe that last line.

  • apr2563

    Well said Stuart. My feeling is that those in the traditional media are afraid to take on the erroneous, dangerous talk by Fox (there I said it) and other outlets due to their insecurity about their own jobs. After all, if their job is lost they may send their resume to Fox. Journalistic ethics..pffft.

  • allthingsinaname

    Oooops stuarts response to groenhage2 that use to be before post 13 is now listed as 26.1 and appears to be in response to rusty. It really doesn’t matter who it was to as I would agree with it applying to both. all responses to post 26 are listed as 26.1 so maybe they all were not in response to post 26. that use to be some place before 13 and was moved to 26 that made my response posted at 20, now 19, that I meant to post at 13.6, now 12.6, oh God I forgot what I was talking about.
    Honey where are my pills?

  • allthingsinaname

    Oh damn I forgot that open enrollment caused my deductible to go up so when I went to get my pills I didn’t have enough money with me to cover the cost, On my way home I was praying about it and some Muslims accosted me by trying to preach Islam to me, causing me to get so upset that I plum forgot to go back and, now look at the state I am in. No pills and the damn responses and posts are all out of order screwing up my whole day.

  • allthingsinaname

    You know? If Obama wasn’t such a damn Socialists none of this would have happened.

  • liberalmeltdown

    So much for separation of church and state. In Minnesota the state changes the law for Muslims.
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    http://wcco.com/local/islamic.mortgages.minnesota.2.952805.html

  • allthingsinaname

    A Black, Socialist, Muslim with big ears! I think it is the ears that give him away. We should all be careful of people with big ears. I do not trust people with big ears.

  • allthingsinaname

    What say you Joe Klein? How come you are not reporting that people with big ears are taking over your thread Joe Klein? How come people with big eras can change the posts numbers Willy Nilly screwing us all up Joe Klein? perhaps if you had reported on this Joe Klein, I wouldn’t need the damn pills, Joe Klein!.
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    No, Joe Klein, you would rather that your readers be confused mindless and witless victims of people with big ears, Joe Klein!

  • maurice2u

    SZ:

    So that’s it, that’s all there is to it.
    Thanks, much appreciated! I think I was using HTML codes in a reply once and I dumped the post because the preview window did not seem right or something to me.
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    Now my posts will be much prettier. ;)

  • newfreedomblog

    “I’m waiting to hear whether any member of the Republican leadership has anything to say about this.”

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    “The single purpose of this jihad is the imposition of sharia. On that score, Gingrich made two points of surpassing importance. First, some Islamists employ mass-murder attacks while others prefer a gradual march through our institutions — our legal, political, academic, and financial systems, as well as our broader culture; the goal of both, though, is the same. The stealth Islamists occasionally feign outrage at the terrorists, but their quarrel is over methodology and pace. Both camps covet the same outcome.
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    Second, that outcome is the death of freedom. In Islamist ideology, sharia is deemed to be the necessary precondition for Islamicizing a society — for Islam is not merely a religious doctrine, but a comprehensive socio-economic and political system. As the former speaker elaborated, sharia embodies principles and punishments that are abhorrent to Western values. Indeed, its foundational premise is anti-American, holding that we are not free people at liberty to govern ourselves irrespective of any theocratic code, that people are instead beholden to the Islamic state, which is divinely enjoined to impose Allah’s laws.”

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    http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/243580/its-about-sharia-andrew-c-mccarthy
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    Gingrich offered a salient insight, one well worth internalizing in the Sun Tzu sense of knowing one’s enemy. Islamists, violent or not, have very good reasons for the wanting to destroy the West. Those reasons are not crazy or wanton — and they have nothing to do with Gitmo, Israel, cartoons, or any other excuse we conjure to explain the savagery away. Islamists devoutly believe, based on a well-founded interpretation of Islamic doctrine, that they have been commanded by Allah to kill, convert, or subdue all who do not adhere to sharia — because they regard Allah as their only master (“There is no God but Allah”). It is thus entirely rational (albeit frightening to us) that they accept the scriptural instruction that the very existence of those who resist sharia is offensive to Allah, and that a powerful example must be made of those resisters in order to induce the submission of all — “submission” being the meaning of Islam.

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    You Sir, now have your answer.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Fear… fear … fear gets responded to by the Swamp’s lead Coward Kevin L Groenhaggen.
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    I just saw a real life Muslim this morning. He was working to fix my car. I just saw a real life Muslim about half an hour ago, he’s a teenager who served me coffee and is going to study criminal justice with plans to join the FBI – to handle not only crime, but, also, (like any normal human being) despises terrorists.
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    If this happened to Groinhugger, he’d be cutting and running from the mechanic, the coffee shop, the movie theater… he’s be hiding under his bed hugging his teddy bear and crying.
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    But, then again, isn’t that exactly what the right wing is all about – being cowardly and afraid of your own shadow, especially since your own shadow is a darker shade than you, yourself, are?

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor
  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “..I don’t need Viagra,..”
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    But what if your wife, finally, does want to have sex with you one of these days?
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    She won’t connect to you on facebook and be associated with you online, so, we can rule out Mrs Groinhugger having sex with him.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “That’s because you’re an extremely stupid individual.”
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  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Okay, wingnuts, technically being against a group of people because of their beliefs, their foreign looks, but not everybody who belongs to their racial group is not racist. But racist is a subsection of the word Bigoted.
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    “big·ot (bgt)
    n.
    One who is strongly partial to one’s own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.”
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    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/bigot
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    So, yes, in addition to being against Islam, being against Arabs, Latinos, Catholics or any other group which is or has once been defined as outside of the religious or sociological mainstream, having a hatred of liberals is, also, bigoted.
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    Congratulations! Although you have not proven yourself not be racist, you have proven yourselves to easily fit in under many other subcategories of bigoted.
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    In other words, you have corrected us when asking what kind of a$$holes are you.
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    You are a slightly different kind of a$$holes than we had said.
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    Happy now, a$$holes?

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Coming up next week with Freakinpa, Rusty and Groinhugger correcting the liberals on: what kind of morons are the the three of you.
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    Perhaps we have been calling you the wrong kind of morons.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Where’s my gay slur, moonbat?”
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    You keep on going after Joe Kline by calling him Liberace.
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    Either you are mocking him by pretending that he is homosexual or you are expressing a desire that he play with you pianist.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Groinhugger,
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    Having driven a cab in Boston for five years and NYC for three years and knowing cab drivers personally as well as laws for taxi drivers in most cities, if the passenger has an open container of alcohol in the car, the cab driver loses his license if he is pulled over.
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    Second, drivers who own their own cab especially hate dog hair all over the back seat if they can avoid it since in all cities, if the back seat is covered with dog hair or any other kind of filth, the driver gets fined by the city.
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    Third, the Muslim religion does not forbid dogs. People in the Indian subcontinent both Hindu and Muslims, Africans of all religions and both Christian and Muslim Arabians do not have pet dogs as a part of their culture. Christian Africans, Christian Arabians and Christian Indians (mostly Catholic) are, also, unaccustomed to dogs being kept as pets.
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    In other words, like you, your source has no idea what they are talking about.
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    I will have drink sometimes, but, since I liked keeping my license, did not transport anybody with an open container of alcohol.
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    Hell, I bet if we went shot for shot I could drink you under the table, but, I was not allowed to permit my passengers to have open containers of alcohol.
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    Do you want me to site the taxi and limousine commission laws, or will admit that you and your sources are woefully misinformed?

  • liberalmeltdown

    Joe Klein used to be a Republican, before you all insulted him. Now he’s pissy and doesn’t like you anymore.
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    The gist of Klein’s article is appease, appease, appease, or they won’t like you. What other religion gets that treatment? What other religion gets the state to make a special mortgage just for them where the state is actually involved in the transaction?
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    Where are these conservative Moslems? A google search brings up nada, zip, nothing.
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    Joe Klein thinks that they are social conservatives? Why because they don’t like gays? Did he ask any of these conservative Moslems about that? How about a story on what Moslems think should happen to gays?
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    http://gaymuslims.org/2006/10/22/imam-backs-shariah-shock/
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    Killing gays is OK, says Muslim Imam

    Manchester Imam defends execution of gay people
    20 October 2006

    Manchester’s leading Imam has confirmed that he thinks the execution of sexually active gay men is justified. Mr. Arshad Misbahi, who is based at the Manchester Central Mosque, confirmed his views in a conversation to Dr John Casson, a local psychotherapist.

    Dr Casson said: “I asked him if the execution of gay Muslims in Iran and Iraq was an acceptable punishment in Sharia law, or the result of culture, not religion. He told me that in a true Islamic state, such punishments were part of Islam: if the person had had a trial, at which four witnesses testified that they had seen the actual homosexual acts.”

    “I asked him what would be the British Muslim view? He repeated that in an Islamic state these punishments were justified. They might result in the deaths of thousands but if this deterred millions from having sex, and spreading disease, then it was worthwhile to protect the wider community.”

    “I checked again that this was not a matter of tradition, culture or local prejudice. ‘No,’ he said, ‘It is part of the central tenets of Islam: that sex outside marriage is forbidden; this is stated in the Koran and the prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) had stated that these punishments were due to such behaviours.’”

    “He told me that no Muslim would have spoken to him as I had done – they would have been too afraid, ashamed or inhibited: he admired my courage and openness.”

  • rimm2

    The point is Dearborn does not have Sharia Law. They simply have a large Muslim population.

  • rimm2

    The thing about Sharron Angle as opposed to the many other nit wits out there is that :.
    I don’t think she is a nit wit at all. She flings nit-witty statements out there and some of it sticks. She is a deadly conniving viper.

  • herby002

    acameronw,
    Don’t forget that Sharron Angle alerted us to the sharia law in a town in Texas, also.
    Roger Ebert did some research:

    http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/pages-for-twitter/a-texas-town-under-sharia-law.html

    ‘A Texas town under Sharia law’
    I was startled to learn from Sharron Angle, the Tea Party candidate for Senate in Nevada, that Frankford, Texas has been taken over by Muslims and now lives under Sharia law.

    What does such a town look like? What is life like there? How does it differ from other Texas towns, including Dallas, of which Frankford is a suburb?

    Thank heavens for Google image search. I hastened there to compile this photo exhibit of sights to be seen in …
    ☪ A TEXAS TOWN UNDER SHARIA LAW! ☪
    The first photo is of a freeway sign designating “PRESIDENT GEORGE BUSH TURNPIKE.
    Other pictures show fast food restaurants and a nightclub advertising SEXY GO GO DANCERS.

    Note: A number of Internet entries say that Frankford, Texas doesn’t exist anymore: it was annexed by Dallas in 1975. Somebody tell Sharron , so she can clarify that she meant that Dallas, Texas is under sharia law.

  • herby002

    liberal, the stated did not change a law. They revised some rules to allow more observant Muslims to buy homes without technically paying interest:

    “A handful of private banks and lending institutions offer Islamic mortgages in the U.S., but Minnesota Housing is the first state agency to offer such a product.”
    Please tell me that those banks are anti-American because they lend money to Muslims to buy homes.

    Many countries with majority Islamic citizens offer the same type of financing. It’s a legal “workaround” by which the financing entity makes a profit on the loan by charging the homeowner “interest” by not calling it “interest”.

    A similar example would be the sale of alcoholic beverages in some US states: “Blue laws” prohibit the retail sale of liquor on Sundays (the Christian “holy day”). However, if you go to a “private club” on Sunday you are met at the door by someone who will sell you a “club membership card” which allows you to get soused on the premises as long as your money holds out.

    Another example: Many conservative Amish people disdain modern conveniences, and do not allow electric lights, telephones, & appliances in their homes. However, some of them have installed a “workaround” that does not compromise their faith. They install a telephone in the barn, or in a central location in the village for emergency use.
    Other Amish sects (sometimes called “New Amish”) believe that not all modern ways are sinful, so they own and drive automobiles, but the car, including the bumpers and wheel covers, is painted black.

  • liberalmeltdown

    herby, did you miss the part where you quoted, “but Minnesota Housing is the first state agency to offer such a product.”

    A state agency means that it is part of the government, herby.

    “The state buys a home and resells it to the buyer at a higher price. The down payment and monthly installments are agreed to up front at current mortgage rates.”

    Herby, that is the government intervening in a transaction in favor of a religion. Geez.

    Try it again.

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