Money in Politics Update

With Democrats growing increasingly anxious that the Karl Rove-affiliatedSuper PAC” money machine may swamp them in the closing weeks of the election, Montana Senator Max Baucus has called for an IRS investigation into the tax-exempt status of these groups, which allows them to raise money without contribution limits and in some cases to avoid revealing their donors. In a letter to the IRS Baucus asks whether groups are exploiting the tax code  to “eliminate transparency in the funding of our elections” and  “advance private interests.”

But similar groups have been around for several years–in past elections, mainly on the Democratic side–and the IRS hasn’t seem very troubled. Ending the practice of anodyne-sounding groups that raise and spend unlimited amounts of money with little or no disclosure will probably take an act of Congress. But Congressional Democrats haven’t been able to get a modest package of new disclosure provisions beyond Senate GOP objections, and the coming influx of Republicans to the capital isn’t going to make other reforms very likely in the near future.

In other campaign finance reform news, a “Fair Elections” bill modeled after state laws in Connecticut, Maine and Arizona that would provide public financing to candidates who demonstrate public support has passed out of a House committee and awaits a vote from the full House. But that may not happen before the end of the year, and it certainly won’t happen if Republicans win control of the chamber.

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  • afguy

    Well, Chief Justice Roberts, are you happy?
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    Is THIS what you hoped would happen?

  • gadsbys

    The Golden Rule ?

  • afguy

    “Do unto others BEFORE they do unto you?”

  • newfreedomblog

    And you believe that Obambi’s money came into his campaign in $10 and $20 dollar increments?
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    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
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    Good job Crowley…..good job shilling for the left as usual.

  • charlieromeobravo

    Where does he say that? Obama has never even claimed that, only that he got more small dollar contributions from private individual than any other past candidate, which is true.
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    It’s fun to create arguments that don’t exist and try to shoot them down, isn’t it Rusty?

  • lreed580

    On Bloombergnews.com there is an article entitled, “Republican Groups Outspend both Parties to Sway Elections” – adds some additional details to the above article.

    Yesterday an AP article noted that outside groups have funneled 6x’s more money to Republicans than Democrats. USA Today also wrote an editorial yesterday decrying the outside money especially with the lack of disclosure.

  • newfreedomblog

    “Obama has never even claimed that, only that he got more small dollar contributions from private individual than any other past candidate, which is true.”

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    Shouldn’t this read………”Obama has never even…ah…he…ah…he got more small dollar contributions, well he did, I swear he did, that’s what his campaign said…….only, only only only if PIGS WOULD FLY………..OMG………I AM A TOTAL LIBTARD AFTERALL!!! HELP ME DOROTHY SEND IN THE FLYING MONKEYS!!!!”.

  • 3xfire3

    “But similar groups have been around for several years–in past elections, mainly on the Democratic side–and the IRS hasn’t seem very troubled.”
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    Poor little Democrats. I feel so sorry for them. The shoe is on the other foot since the last election and it hurts.
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    Last election the Democrats were the ones with all the money advantages and now they are crying because the Republicans may have an advantage this time.
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    I believe the Democrats are still way ahead on money collected by their DNC, DSCC, and the DCCC. Their just behind on donations from these private groups.
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    What’s that old song?
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    Cry me a river
    Cry me a river
    I cried a river over you.

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  • apr2563

    You must really love Julie London. She made the song famous. You know she was a liberal don’t you?

  • afguy

    Their just behind on donations from these private groups.
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    Which are new, donor-anonymous, and essentially unregulated on how much they can give. They just can’t directly coordinate with a party.
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    Big difference in degree.

  • afguy

    Shhhh…. apr2563, you just ruined it for Mr. “Moderate Conservative”.
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    Careful, 3x, your slip is showing…

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  • textee

    How many billions of unlimited, unregulated dollars are spent each year promoting and campaigning for the Democrat party by leftist political advocacy and lobbying groups like ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, Castro News Network, A-Mess-NBC, ESPN, ESPN2, ESPN News, ESPNU, ESPN Classic, ESPN360.com, Oprah, Entertainment Tonight, Extra, NPR, the New York Times-Democrat, the Washington Post-Democrat, the Associated (with terrorists) Press, al Reuters, al Jazeera, al McClatchy, Sports Illustrated, Time magazine, Good Housekeeping, Ladies’ Home Journal, et al.?

  • Ivy_B

    But similar groups have been around for several years–in past elections, mainly on the Democratic side–and the IRS hasn’t seem very troubled

    Michael, I have no problem with the above statement, but would you please give a few examples such as are noted in the Rove example.

  • Michael Crowley

    Biggest ones were Media Fund and America Coming Together in 2004 cycle.

  • nflfoghorn

    “…the coming influx of Republicans to the capital…”
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    Say it enough times and it comes true???

  • nflfoghorn

    Textee’s Comic Relief Blame-the-Non-Flox-Media Train has just pulled in.

  • 3xfire3

    Let’s not forget about good old sugar daddy George Soros. He’s given hundreds of millions of dollars to Liberal and Democratic causes. He gives millions through all kind of Liberal groups to push his one world political view. He hides behind layers of special groups.
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    But we know who he is says my Liberal friends. yes but he doesn’t have to worry about groups like SEAU, Acorn and 50 other LW organizations picketing him and calling for boycotts and using other intimidation methods.

  • maverick2k9

    Are Media Fund and ACT 501( c ) groups with anonymous donors?
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    Then how did I find out, with a simple google search, that America Coming Together was funded by Peter Lewis, George Soros, and labor unions?
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    PUNDIT FAIL

  • maverick2k9

    George Soros gave his millions and put his name on it as a donor.
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    Unlike the cowardly, spineless billionaires that back Republican astroturf 501 (c ) groups and lurk in the shadows.

  • maverick2k9

    so 3xfire3 and Crowley, Have you no shame? Have you no sense of decency, sir?

  • apr2563


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    Here is Julie doing the real thing.

  • 3xfire3

    maverick,
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    “So 3xfire3 and Crowley, Have you no shame? Have you no sense of decency, sir?”
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    So maverick have you no brains. Have you no common sense, sir?
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    Re-read the following and see if you have any sane concepts of real life.
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    “But we know who he is says my Liberal friends. Yes but he doesn’t have to worry about groups like SEAU, Acorn and 50 other LW organizations picketing his business and calling for boycotts and using other intimidation methods.”
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    These are standard practices of the left.
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    Maverick have you not shame or decency to support such intimidation methods by your peers?

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  • afguy

    ..other LW organizations picketing his business and calling for boycotts and using other intimidation methods.
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    Oh, God, NOT the dreaded picketing and boycotts!! The horror… oh, the humanity!
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    Next thing, we’ll be hearing about the deadly “sternly-worded letter” to the local newspaper or how people on the street have stopped speaking to him.
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    At least no one’s tried to shoot him or bomb his business because they disagree with his politics.
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    As we know, only “liberals” do stuff like that.
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    Try again, Snowbird… and, even at the ripe “young” age of 71, you need to grow up.

  • afguy

    3x, you TRULY give senile old f@rts a bad name.

  • 3xfire3

    afguy,
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    I know logic is very difficult for you to understand. You are so far hanging over the left wing of your party that you cannot even understand reason. You are so partisan that you’re brain dead.
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    I yet to hear an intelligent reply from you.
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    You call me an old coot but age is a mental state and mentally I’m younger that a lot of the ridiculous Liberals posting to this site.

  • maverick2k9

    “But we know who he is says my Liberal friends. Yes but he doesn’t have to worry about groups like SEAU, Acorn and 50 other LW organizations picketing his business and calling for boycotts and using other intimidation methods.”
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    3x, I hope you have enough common sense to realise that picketing and boycotts need real people to co-operate – real employees and real consumers or just plain ordinary folks.
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    Glenn Beck can (allegedly) rustle up a million people for vague causes such as “Restoring Honor”, are you saying that Glenn Beck is less powerful than SIEU + ACORN combined?
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    Oh, and since when did picketing and boycotts become illegal??

  • 3xfire3

    Isn’t it truly amazing that every Left Wing Organization that comes out of the woodwork is funded by George Soros.
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    I think Liberals and the Democratic Party owe their souls to George Soros. They had better all hope he doesn’t turn out to be the Devil.
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    Actually when you consider Freedom and Democracy he may indeed be the Devil.

  • 3xfire3

    It is true. Are you a sleep?

  • afguy

    Sorry, maverick, you used common sense and 3xfire3 in the same posting. I have to call a “flagrant foul”.
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    3x, you must have missed the thread yesterday where we raked Obama and an ardent supporter over the coals for campaign promises and too much “pragmatism”. It’s there but I understand your reluctance to read it. Might step on your preconceived beliefs about ALL “liberals” – that is, people who don’t think like you want them to think.
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    Know what I believe, 3x? You are a frightened old man, terrified that your ideological leaders may have misled you but unable to think for yourself.
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    I am still waiting for a supposed independent thinker like yourself to step up and offer ANY criticism of RW positions or candidates. But you never do. No matter how immoral or corrupt they prove to be.
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    You are simply an old, frightened, submissive little mouse, blindly repeating what you hear without question, from those only too willing to tell you what you want hear, following as long as they keep you feeling safe from anyone not like yourself. A perfectly obedient little tribal tool.
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    You must “wet” yourself a lot, because I see NO moral courage in anything you say or apparently believe.

  • afguy

    And I’m STILL waiting for you to enlighten us as to WHAT (if any) platform you and your fellow Tea-Baggers claim to support.
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    Being old, pissed off and bladder-challenged is not much to base a governing philosophy on.
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    We know what you’re against (ANYTHING that might even remotely be called “liberal”),… WHAT ARE YOU FOR?
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    The country needs more that a bunch of petulant old children running loose in the halls of Congress, 3x.
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    Enlighten the rest of us… what do your “heros” plan to do if elected? Throw tantrums and hold your breath.? That’s already happening and it’s NOT working very well.
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    Go ahead, dazzle us with your “youthful maturity” and tell us more than just “whoo, boy, you guys better look out in November, ’cause you’re gonna be sorryyyy”.
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    We’ve heard enough of that drivel from you 3x. You want to be taken seriously, 3x? Man up and give us some real answers to your viewpoint – not just the RW talking points you heard earlier that day.
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    Stop simply being a sanctimonious old jacka$$. That act’s getting rather old…

  • http://logical64.wordpress.com logical64

    Is he really being so banal as to ask; IF a PAC is trying to “advance private interest”? Isn’t that the strict definition of a PAC? Isn’t that what the millions of $’s being given to the PAC are for?
    My question: Are PAC’s or churchs the largest untapped tax resource in America?

  • 3xfire3

    afguy,
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    It’s almost midnight and I’m going to call it a night.
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    All your childish rants are really comical. I have a hard time trying to stop laughing at your insane comments.
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    You know one must lead by example and right now the only place you’re leading is down the toilet.
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    You can try to make me angry with your insane comments but it won’t work. You see I am a very confident person. I have accomplished much in my life.
    Probably 10 times more then you.
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    I started with nothing and have accomplished great things for myself and my family and for many other people both in the USA and in third world countries.
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    I doubt that you could hold a candle my accomplishments. I directly do more to help the poor than probably all the Liberals on this site combined.
    I do. You talk.
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    Will I have to end for now. I have to get up early and do some flying to keep my pilot certificate current.
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    Pleasant dreams turkey. I can’t wait till tomorrow for some more good laughs at your comments.

  • afguy

    I’m sure you are, 3x.
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    And amid all of the self-congratulatory patting yourself on the back, and telling us swine out here all that you’ve done for mankind, you STILL can’t address the question and let us in on WHAT you and the other TP’ers believe and plan to do if theiy are selected to govern?
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    Usually, truly self-confident people don’t NEED someone to tell them how good and wonderful they are in such DETAIL.
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    I suspect that what you are best at, 3x, is blowing smoke, changing the subject and avoiding answers. At least THAT’s what you demonstrate on a daily basis here.
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    But at least you’re not trying to pass yourself off as a “moderate conservative” any longer. At least THAT’s something…

  • afguy

    While you’re having some good laughs at my expense, maybe you could actually take a few minutes and ANSWER SOME OF THE FREAKING QUESTIONS posed to you.
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    Or is actually responding to us “mere mortals” WITH ACTUAL ANSWERS considered beneath the dignity of you super beings?

  • 3xfire3

    afguy,
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    I find trying to debate irrational Partisan-Ideologues is not worth my time.
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    I do debate rational Liberals such as Stuart of few others.
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    But you my irrational friend are not one of them. You are incapable of actual debate.

  • afguy

    And, as usual, you never attempted to answer the question.
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    You never do. I don’t think you KNOW what you believe, 3x, because no one’s told you.

  • maverick2k9

    I think Liberals and the Democratic Party owe their souls to George Soros. They had better all hope he doesn’t turn out to be the Devil.
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    Actually when you consider Freedom and Democracy he may indeed be the Devil.

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    Soros is the Devil, eh? A Hungarian Jew who ran away from Nazis/Commies is the devil?
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    What is Obama then? Lord Voldemort ?
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    At a ripe old age of 71, you still seem to believe in childhood fantasies. What is your role in this Harry Potter fantasy? As Dumbledore?
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    Does your family stare at you, when you go around the house, mumbling “Soros is the devil” ?
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    They have nothing to fear. Your lunatic fantasy is getting more and more predictable. There is a method in your madness.

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