Morning Must Reads: Resigned

The latest polling on health care:

A new AP poll finds that Americans who think the law should have done more outnumber those who think the government should stay out of health care by 2-to-1

Please, please continue to advocate for “full repeal” of the law, Republicans. It’s such a winner for you — everyone on Fox says so!
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http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gSXIViw_RWvU3uweKkhKfhAVGgqgD9IF4ET80

Gotta love that citizens united ruling. Unlimited almost completely unknown campaign money. That’s perfect for our democracy.

Corporations as constitutional induviduals. And rightwingers are worried about the government big brother but corporate big brother is just a-okay.

You clearly don’t understand “original intent” jurisprudence.
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See, when the Founders drafted the First Amendment, they clearly meant that foreign-owned corporations should be allowed to spend millions in anonymous campaign contributions and thereby dictate the outcomes of our elections. I mean, it’s right there in the text!

Yeah, next to where religious freedom means Christian religious freedom.

Lots of interesting items from over this weekend, hey Adam? Good stuff.

What did I miss?

The progressive Center for American Progress outlines different (and painful) approaches for realistically reducing the deficit.

“The motivation for this report was largely kind of disgust at all of these people who were calling for massive spending cuts but not really willing to own up to what that would mean in terms of the government’s role promoting economic growth and promoting the safety of the American people. So we did this report as a challenge: We figured out a way you could do that, and so if you’re for this, you can own what we proposed or come up with your own, but if you’re promoting that, you have an obligation to be honest with the public about what the consequences are.”

Details are in the paper, available in .pdf from the CAP site here:

http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2010/09/thousand_cuts.html

60 Minutes on the Park51 project.

Featuring a takedown of one Pamela Geller, hatemonger right winger behind much of the manufactured controversy.

(video at link, approx 13 mins)

Ah the desperation of the left is quite evident. apr2563posted the same one yesterday. I guess its the only sliver of sunshine the left can find as they find its philosophy being rejected across the land.
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While the article touts a 2:1 advantage of the bill not going far enough, it was only 4 out of 10 so less than half wanted more.
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Also neither in your link no apr2563 was there a link to the actual survey. As the saying goes, how you asked the question usually determines what answered you receive. It is no secret that RWJ Foundation is a big proponent of Universal coverage. I also wonder if the Prof. Jon Krosnick is the same Prof. who rigged global warming polls?
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I believe the phrase isd grasping at straws, even if you have to make up the straws.

Professor Krosnick’s polling results are so woeful that both Pew Research Center Survey and Gallup polling recently took the time to harshly reprimand him for his shoddy work.

Warming propagandist Prof. Krosnick exposed: Pew research ‘says that Krosnick’s survey is marred by faulty methodology. …used words that encourged a positive response’

Flashback 2008: Krosnick’s long history of climate propaganda: ‘Krosnick invents a consensus position: climate change is occurring. But this is a meaningless assertion, devoid of any scientific value the public can expect psychologists to be engaged in brainwashing them into accepting political propaganda’ -
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Krosnick has been skewing polling results on global warming for years and has been getting caught every time

Fiorina develops a fondness for Koch.

“…That makes the budding relationship between Republican senatorial candidate Carly Fiorina and billionaire industrialists David and Charles Koch all the odder. The Kochs own and run America’s second-largest privately held company, Koch Industries — an amalgam of oil, gas, pipeline, chemical, fertilizer and wood products companies, including Georgia-Pacific. Lump them together, and the Koch brothers have the country’s third-largest fortune — $35 billion — after Bill Gates and Warren Buffett. [...]

Though one brother lives in Wichita, Kan., and the other in Manhattan, they seem to be taking a particular interest in California politics this year. They helped mount the campaign for Proposition 23, the ballot measure that essentially would gut AB 32, the state law mandating lower carbon emissions as a step toward addressing global warming. A Koch Industries PAC has also donated $5,000 to Fiorina, and the company was among the sponsors of a Washington fundraiser for her Thursday night.

After a good deal of back and forth, Fiorina — who also supports offshore oil drilling, another Koch favorite — recently endorsed Proposition 23, just as the Koch brothers’ company pumped $1 million into its campaign.”

Too big to fail, too currupt to function.

“The Minnesota Department of Commerce has fined an insurance company owned by the troubled American International Group Inc. $100,000 for deceptive marketing and ordered it to refund money to those who bought policies.

At least 1,500 Minnesotans bought the ‘Essential Health’ plans from the National Union Fire Insurance Co. of Pittsburgh, a unit of AIG based in New York.[...]

‘Medical discount plans are not health insurance policies and shouldn’t be marketed as such,’ Manny Munson-Regala, deputy commerce commissioner, said Monday.

The policies were sold after the federal government took 79 percent ownership of AIG in the 2008 bailout. AIG spokesman Mark Herr said the company had no comment on the Minnesota case.”

Which stinks worse? Bugs or hypocrisy?

“Of the 15 members who signed the letter, eight of them are Republicans — all from states between West Virginia and New Jersey, and all fairly conservative members of the GOP caucus. The group of lawmakers are looking for ‘coordinated federal government assistance’ from the Obama administration to help farmers and local economies deal with the bugs.

In particular, the 15 lawmakers are eyeing a proposal to reclassify the species under federal guidelines to expand regulatory authority over the bugs.

In other words, faced with a environmental problem, the first instinct from conservative Republican politicians is to ask the federal government to do something. Indeed, they’re specifically asking for federal bureaucrats to sweep into action and use expanded federal regulations to help people.[...]

There seems to be a bit of disconnect here between Republican ideology and real-world problems. “

Angle supporter assaults two women, Angle blames Saul Alinsky.

(Yes, really.)

“If Sharron Angle thought a forum hosted by Christian groups would provide her with a friendly audience, she was wrong.[...]

A fight among audience members broke out toward the end of the forum as Reid supporters tried to leave while Angle was still speaking.

Kelly Tanaka said an unidentified man pushed her over and punched her friend Thursday after the forum. The man was detained by school officials.

The 27-year-old Tanaka said the fight occurred because she walked past the man, not because she supports Reid and he backs Angle.”

http://www.lasvegassun.com/blogs/ralstons-flash/2010/sep/24/angle-says-women-staged-fight-detract-supposed-new/

“Angle: Well I think this is a play right out of Saul Alinksky’s rule for radicals. What happens if you don’t want the news to report on the forum and the debate between the two contestants, you try to make a bigger news story. And the news story is the brawl, and so that’s what they did. They staged a fight, that’s the way that I felt it was going. There were two women that were actually looking for a fight, trying to get that to be the top news story and they succeeded.”

“but if you’re promoting that, you have an obligation to be honest with the public about what the consequences are.”
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For the $255 billion deficit cut, $52.6 billion comes from changes to tax expenditures (techno term for tax increases) and $95.7 billion in defense cuts for a total of $148.3 billion or 58% of the cuts. Speaking of being honest, most of the “pain” is at the expense of our security and business which will no doubt enhance growth of GDP.

“progressive,” but not liberal.
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CAP is center-left, with a heavy emphasis on “center.”
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John Podesta is a big Third Way proponent.
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CAP seems to have a big investment in the partisan Democrat goal of keeping liberals in the same camp as “progressives.”

So…according to Sharon Angle, Harry Reid’s supporters are Saul Alinsky radicals?
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Pro-life Harry Reid is the darling of extreme leftists?

It’s strange what is considered as humorous by the fringe right wing.

After a series of jokes about conservative that sounded — and were received — more like a stand-up act then a political speech, Coulter told the assembled (and predominantly wealthy) conservative gay crowd why they should oppose same sex marriage, adding, “I should warn you: I’ve never failed to talk gays out of gay marriage.”

And then she did. [...]

…in a more serious note, she parroted the losing arguments of the lawyers supporting California’s Prop 8 and told the crowd that the reason she opposes (and they should oppose) same sex marriage is that it is strictly for procreation.

In one of a series of racially insensitive remarks that pervaded her speech, Coulter added, ‘Marriage is not a civil right. You’re not black.’”

Scott Brown criticizing Harvard University. We get another front row view of the left favoring lawbreakers over those who protect our country. For an institution that has the best and brightest, one would imagine they could figure out that the freedoms they have are not provided by their over-bearing opinions but from a strong defense. The Sally Field “they like me, they really like me” will not preserve those freedoms.

“I am extremely disappointed to learn of Harvard University’s decision to continue to ban ROTC from its campus,” the Massachusetts Republican said in a statement. “It is incomprehensible to me that Harvard does not allow ROTC to use its facilities, but welcomes students who are in this country illegally.”

(snip)

“Harvard has its priorities upside down,” Brown said. “They should embrace young people who want to serve their country, rather than promoting a plan that provides amnesty to students who are in this country illegally.”

Excellent video. Anyone who think that the community center is some kind of Victory Mosque should watch it. Not that it would penetrate their illusions but it’s a good watch indeed.

WHICH PARTY USUALLY BENEFITS FROM VOTER FRAUD?
WHICH PARTY WORKS TO PREVENT VOTER ID LAWS?
WHICH PARTY HAS USED SEIU and ACORN TO FOR PHONY REGISTRATION
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Wonder where the MSM and the DOJ are on this? Oh yeah, both are still avoiding and stonewalling the Black Panther Voter intimidation investigation.

Election Day is only 36 days away and the smell of election fraud is once more in the air. It’s widespread in urban areas and absentee ballots are many times the key that unlocks the election fraud door.

One amateur group of citizens in Houston uncovered massive voter fraud perpetrated by a group headed by a SEIU employee, Steve Caddle.

Citizens’ Group Helps Uncover Alleged Rampant Voter Fraud in Houston

Most of the findings focused on a group called Houston Votes, a voter registration group headed by Steve Caddle, who also works for the Service Employees International Union. Among the findings were that only 1,793 of the 25,000 registrations the group submitted appeared to be valid.
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/23/voter-fraud-houston-tea-party-truethevote-texas/

Hell, Stuart, I’d hope that you would look at this on its merits instead of where it comes from. Even Freeper managed to read it before manufacturing his typical outrage…
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For the $255 billion deficit cut…
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Which is the largest detailed in the doco. If you go to the end of the .pdf, you can see all the plans.
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…changes to tax expenditures (techno term for tax increases)
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Don’t like it? Choose the other plan then.
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Speaking of being honest, most of the “pain” is at the expense of our security and business which will no doubt enhance growth of GDP.</i
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Either you're serious about reducing the deficit or you're full of hot air, Freeper. Everyone's got a sacred cow that gets gored in these plans…Don't like it? Get your leaders to suggest something more detailed than what's in their 'Pledge to America' stunt.
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Like the author said, "…be honest [...] about what the consequences are."

More like a carousel than a revolving door.

“This gets to a point I’ve made before, which is that we tend to focus on the money in lobbying, but it’s the connections that matter more. So I’ll take the opportunity to repost this incredible graphic The Washington Post produced showing how lobbying firms prepared for health-care reform by hiring dozens of people who’d formerly worked for the relevant committees and senators.”

(Check out the graphics at the link)

Congressman Weiner haul the European Central Banks before your committee, they have been corrupted by Glen Beck .

In the 1990s and 2000s, central banks swapped their non- yielding bullion for sovereign debt, which gives a steady annual return. But now, central banks and investors are seeking the security of gold.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/39376353

“They should embrace young people who want to serve their country”
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Unless they’re gay, right Scott?

I wonder how many of those banks are buying at a 300% markup from Goldline?
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Investing in gold is not a scam. Goldline is.

grape_crush:
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“I’d hope that you would look at this on its merits instead of where it comes from.”
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Just adding some additional –I would say important– info about the source.

And yet they remain in business. Where are all the protectors of the poor innocent folk the left keeps try to sell us that Democrats are.
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Also noticed how that markup grows with each post.

Fresh from smacking down the austerity argument, Krugman takes on structural unemployment.

“[A]ll the facts suggest that high unemployment in America is the result of inadequate demand — full stop. Saying that there are no easy answers sounds wise, but it’s actually foolish: our unemployment crisis could be cured very quickly if we had the intellectual clarity and political will to act.

In other words, structural unemployment is a fake problem, which mainly serves as an excuse for not pursuing real solutions.[...]

Job openings have plunged in every major sector, while the number of workers forced into part-time employment in almost all industries has soared. Unemployment has surged in every major occupational category. Only three states, with a combined population not much larger than that of Brooklyn, have unemployment rates below 5 percent.

Oh, and where are these firms that ‘can’t find appropriate workers’? The National Federation of Independent Business has been surveying small businesses for many years, asking them to name their most important problem; the percentage citing problems with labor quality is now at an all-time low, reflecting the reality that these days even highly skilled workers are desperate for employment.”

Also, too:
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http://rortybomb.wordpress.com/2010/09/25/on-the-demand-for-quality-labor/
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“The report from the Small Business Economic Trends shows that business concerns about the quality of labor is at an all-time low. Putting emphasis on education, training and human capital is a good idea for the medium and long term, but for this particular moment it looks like it would do nothing.”

I don’t think they deal in antique gold coins where you buy gold at a artificial ‘antique’ value that will never be valued at it’s melt down value.
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I very much doubt banks will be that stupid.
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But goldline people are.

“And yet they remain in business. Where are all the protectors of the poor innocent folk the left keeps try to sell us that Democrats are.”
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And that has to do with goldline promoting antique gold coins as suppose to regular gold coins?
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You’re quite the expert at erecting nonsensical straw men to burn down.

Adam Sorensen:
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“What did I miss?”
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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/27/us/27wiretap.html?_r=1&hp

U.S. Wants to Make It Easier to Wiretap the Internet
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By CHARLIE SAVAGE
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Published: September 27, 2010
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WASHINGTON — Federal law enforcement and national security officials are preparing to seek sweeping new regulations for the Internet, arguing that their ability to wiretap criminal and terrorism suspects is “going dark” as people increasingly communicate online instead of by telephone.
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Essentially, officials want Congress to require all services that enable communications — including encrypted e-mail transmitters like BlackBerry, social networking Web sites like Facebook and software that allows direct “peer to peer” messaging like Skype — to be technically capable of complying if served with a wiretap order. The mandate would include being able to intercept and unscramble encrypted messages.

The bill, which the Obama administration plans to submit to lawmakers next year, raises fresh questions about how to balance security needs with protecting privacy and fostering innovation. And because security services around the world face the same problem, it could set an example that is copied globally.
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James X. Dempsey, vice president of the Center for Democracy and Technology, an Internet policy group, said the proposal had “huge implications” and challenged “fundamental elements of the Internet revolution” — including its decentralized design.
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“They are really asking for the authority to redesign services that take advantage of the unique, and now pervasive, architecture of the Internet,” he said. “They basically want to turn back the clock and make Internet services function the way that the telephone system used to function.”
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But law enforcement officials contend that imposing such a mandate is reasonable and necessary to prevent the erosion of their investigative powers.

There goes that leftist, liberal Obama again.

I guess time will tell. It seems that Democrats attached it to an appropriation bill rather than a straight (no pun intended up or down vote. The bill failed because 3 Democrats who have a filibuster-proof majority,voted against the bill, including Harry Reid .

But keep up your support for lawbreakers!

“You’re quite the expert at erecting nonsensical straw men to burn down.”
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So what you are saying is that Goldline is doing nothing illegal and Weiner is just on another character assassination and witch hunt!

And:
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http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_09/025858.php
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“There are different kinds of unemployment crises. You’ve probably heard about ‘structural’ unemployment, which generally refers to an economy with specific kinds of jobs to fill, but workers untrained to fill them. There’s also ‘cyclical’ unemployment, which tends to describe job losses that result from an economic downturn (fewer people with jobs means fewer people spending money means layoffs).
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The good news is, cyclical unemployment can be addressed through government intervention — or at least could be if we had a functioning political system. In the meantime, those who oppose government intervention on ideological grounds keep pushing the notion of structural unemployment, because it becomes a convenient excuse for inaction.”

A budget surplus plus a fully funded rainy day fund as a result of budget cuts and lower taxes.

Despite a recession, record floods and high unemployment, Rhode Island managed at least one achievement this year — a state government budget surplus

Either you’re serious about reducing the deficit or you’re full of hot air, Freeper. Everyone’s got a sacred cow that gets gored in these plans…Don’t like it? Get your leaders to suggest something more detailed than what’s in their ‘Pledge to America’ stunt.
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And this plan is no different than any other stunt the left has tried. Liberals scream about no new ideas fro conservatives. Exactly what is new about tax hikes and defense cuts from liberals.
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Any plan that doesn’t address entitlements is nothing more than a fraud.There is a hard choice to be made, see if the left has the stones to make it.

You mean “foreign-owned corporate persons.” Corporatist “conservatives” surely knew what the Founders meant to put in there.

Investing in gold as a commodity is much different than investing in gold collectible coins that are priced well above the melt price of the coin. Apples to oranges, in fact. Show me where the collectible gold coin market is a good investment and you’d be in a much better position to defend Glen Beck’s partnership with Goldline.
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So, you’re right Freepy, what Goldline does is currently not illegal. Is that the current high-water mark for conservative morality? As long as its not illegal, its ok to rip people off?
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Caveat emptor, right?

There’s a secondary irony in that it won’t help. There are any number of offshore email providers who won’t be covered by these laws. Same with VOIP and other transmission services. Many of these service providers have their own encryption schemes which means even eavesdropping on every data packet to and from the individual being served would be pointless.
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In my more paranoiac moments, I sometimes think the government just wants us all used to being watched and listened to at all times.

“So, you’re right Freepy, what Goldline does is currently not illegal. Is that the current high-water mark for conservative morality?”
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So they are doing nothing illegal but Rep Weiner feels it necessary to spend taxpayers dollars because of his and the lefts hatred of Beck. Good use of taxpayer dollars.
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Morality? Seriously? For the party that has made voter fraud a sport. Or with a President who essentially zeroed out GM equity and bondholders and handed the keys to the UAW?

Caveat emptor? Yes. Maybe investors should be licensed instead of brokers.
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” Show me where the collectible gold coin market is a good investment and you’d be in a much better position to defend Glen Beck’s partnership with Goldline.”
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No one needs to defend Beck’s partnership with Goldline. As you said its not illegal. Welcome to America. It’s called freedom of association.

Any plan that doesn’t address entitlements is nothing more than a fraud.
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I guess you missed the ‘Mandatory’ section, where entitlements like Veterans’ disability compensation, Social Security, and Federal employees and military pensions program are cut.
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Either that, or you decided not to mention it, which makes you the fraud, Freeper.

Disney Cooperation for President 2012?

Entitlements will be the major sources of deficit spending but a fraction of “the fix”. Major sources of “the fix” (58%) tax hikes and defense cuts. I stand by my original statement.

A political candidate receives money from someone lobbying for some law.

Wow! Alert the media!

After a good deal of back and forth, Fiorina — who also supports offshore oil drilling, another Koch favorite — recently endorsed Proposition 23, just as the Koch brothers’ company pumped $1 million into its campaign.

I stand by my original statement.
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Of course you do, even though you were wrong. That’s how you roll.
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Entitlements will be the major sources of deficit spending but a fraction of “the fix”.
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Then come up with your own list…or get your leadership to sign on to Paul Ryan’s “Roadmap for America’s Future” instead of distancing itself or try:
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“Ryan’s [...] ‘alternative budget’ that would have privatized Medicare, cut Social Security benefits (in an admittedly unspecified manner) and implemented a five-year non-defense discretionary spending freeze that would have meant significant reductions in programs like Head Start and Pell Grants. Not only that, but it would have raised taxes on low-income families while cutting them for the very wealthy.”
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http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2010/09/23/pledge-roadmap-backdoor/
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Generalized b!tching about ‘entitlement spending’ doesn’t cut it any more. Put up or shut up.

“So what you are saying is that Goldline is doing nothing illegal and Weiner is just on another character assassination and witch hunt!”
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So now you change the subject back to Wiener after making a stab at democrats as a whole protecting the poor? That’s a lot of dancing. How about explaining how the main post – the world bank investing in gold has anything to do with wieners look into a very poor practice of selling way overpriced antique gold coins as a hedge against economic woe.
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It seems like you want it all; attack liberals for looking into this very nasty practice and at the same time make a claim that investing in regular gold coins is the same as buying overpriced antique gold coins. The attack on Glenn Beck for promoting these coins as every mans diversification isn’t some kind nefarious plot to attack conservatism; it’s to stop a practice that fleeces peoples money with a overpriced value they’re never going to see.
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So going back to your monkey hop in your classic democrats protecting the poor – yes it is. There are people out there dumb enough to listen to Glenn in investing in antique gold coins and they’re going to be slapped sideways when the gold market corrects itself. But I guess in your point of view (since you brought it up) that GOPs way of protecting poor people is to supply a steady stream of suckers to the economic meat grinder. Is that the value you’re exposing here?
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Of course not – it’s not a conservative value to fool people. Only you would make that remark about the opposition.
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Defend it all you want – but investing into goldline is a sure way of being a sucker. Investing in gold coins is a hedge.

“A political candidate receives money from someone lobbying for some law.”
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Then I’m sure it doesn’t bother you when Unions or any other group does it.

goldline – because we priced the sucker into the top line

“That’s how you roll”
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Condescending and arrogant is how you roll!
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“privatized Medicare, cut Social Security benefits (in an admittedly unspecified manner) and implemented a five-year non-defense discretionary spending freeze that would have meant significant reductions in programs like Head Start and Pell Grants. Not only that, but it would have raised taxes on low-income families while cutting them for the very wealthy.”
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This would be funny if liberals were not so hypocritical. Obama ran on a platform of change without saying what the change was. Liberals were fine with that. He argued HC reform without defining it. Pelosi said it would have to be passed to find out what was in it.
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But you fall back to the tried and true but it will cut this program (sniffle, tear). Funny how outside of raise taxes and cut defense liberals are dead quiet. You fail to define how a freeze is a cut exactly either or is it the normal liberal mentality if you freeze a growth rate its a draconian cut.
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Liberals have also determined that taxing the wealthy regardless of the cost to the economy is paramount. After all its the governments money not the taxpayers, right.
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“Put up or shut up”
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Entitlements as we now know them is over. How is that. Now you and the rest of the liberals can go and scare seniors, the poor and other the other “victims” groups the left loves to hand peoples money out. The reality is you don’t want a solution you want an issue to bash Republicans. Thinking that we solve this deficit and debt crisis by not addressing entitlements is at best delusional.

“Then I’m sure it doesn’t bother you when Unions or any other group does it.”
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No what bothers me is the hypocritical left who while taking gobs of money from unions, lawyers, Wall St and corporations they bash Republicans for legally taking money.
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“So now you change the subject back to Wiener after making a stab at democrats as a whole protecting the poor? That’s a lot of dancing.”
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No dancing at all. Just the foolishness of the left who needs to find evil, however only on the right, even though its a legal activity.
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If there is a problem change the law. Weiner and the left want neither. They want to vilify Beck. If you can’t beat him in ideas harass and destroy him. It is just like cigarettes. Evil companies, health care risk but no spine to make illegal just harass and demonize.
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Maybe we should put a warning label on the coins like we did on ladders “don’t use on ice” or Alcohol “do not drink if pregnant”. It’s called taking responsibility something the left is not very good at doing as exemplified by our First Blamer in Chief.

…they bash Republicans for legally taking money.
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A candidate gets a million dollars from an out-of-state donor and at the same time the candidate endorses legislation being pushed by that same donor.
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Dem or Repub…that’s not quite kosher, Freeper.

No what bothers me is the hypocritical left who while taking gobs of money from unions, lawyers, Wall St and corporations they bash Republicans for legally taking money.
. But being hypocritical is an everyday occurrence for the left,

Have you ever considered that “the left” would prefer that all contributors be made public and contributions to all candidates be limited?
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I don’t personally care upon which side of the political divide a person resides as I believe that we should all be able to reasonably agree that relatively unlimited contributions by groups and corporations poison the well for everyone.

Condescending and arrogant is how you roll!
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Grow up and stop arguing from the inside of your own colon….then someone might begin to take you seriously.
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But you fall back to the tried and true but it will cut this program (sniffle, tear).
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Nope, not in this thread. You’re being dishonest again, Freeper.
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Entitlements as we now know them is over. How is that.
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‘Entitlements’…Please be specific. List all the ‘entitlements’ you want cut.
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The reality is you don’t want a solution you want an issue to bash Republicans.
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Coming from you, who constantly manufactures ‘issues’ and erects strawmen to beat upon, that’s gross hypocrisy, Freeper.
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Thinking that we solve this deficit and debt crisis by not addressing entitlements is at best delusional.
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And that CAP paper does address those and other possible cuts. That you keep saying it does not is your delusion, Freeper.

“See, when the Founders drafted the First Amendment, they clearly meant that foreign-owned corporations should be allowed to spend millions in anonymous campaign contributions and thereby dictate the outcomes of our elections. I mean, it’s right there in the text!”
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Oh, I know!
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If you have any doubt about how the first amendment was intended to help foreign corporations influence on US elections in the historical record you can find emails between Thomas Jefferson discussing it with Jesus Christ.

“See, when the Founders drafted the First Amendment, they clearly meant that foreign-owned corporations should be allowed to spend millions in anonymous campaign contributions and thereby dictate the outcomes of our elections. I mean, it’s right there in the text!”
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Oh, I know!
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If you have any doubt about how the first amendment was intended to help foreign corporations influence on US elections in the historical record you can find emails between Thomas Jefferson discussing it with Jesus Christ. As a foreigner and a Jew he pushed for this language.

Freakinpa,
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First you claim that Obama ran only one undefined word “change”. Then you say that he ran on Health Care Reform but didn’t define it.
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Well, if he ran on HCR, then the word, “Change” as a slogan was no different than Ronald Reagan running his campaign on “It’s Morning in America”.
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It’s morning! Oh,I see. Reagan’s plan was that we handle everything in the world by drinking coffee and eating eggs, right?
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Second, Obama was very clear what he wanted for HCR. Unfortunately the yellow bellied blue dogs watered down while Republicans stood as a brick wall while right wing proxies like Glenn Blech, Sarah Palin and Rush Limbaugh made up complete and total lies about it.
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I bet you think that the New Deal was about playing Gin Rummy.

Freakinpa,
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I know for a fact that if a Harvard student seeks out ROTC, joining will not be a problem.
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It is just that the ROTC is in recruiting on the campus.
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“But keep up your support for lawbreakers!”
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Sorry, Freakinpa, there are no criminal laws being broken by Harvard. George W Bush was illegally hiding from the Alabama State National Guard while in graduate school there if you want to talk about unlawful behavior at Harvard, but, of course if a Republican breaks the law, has gay sex in public bathrooms, visits whorehouses, as long as he stays Republican, all if forgiven.

Good point, Freakinpa.
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If you want to have a budget surplus, you can’t, also, cut taxes.

Freakinpa,
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The difference between investing in gold and investing in gold coins is like the difference between buying vintage baseball cards and buying cardboard or, in Goldline’s case selling a set of 2009 Chicago cubs cards for the price of the 1969 Mets.
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If this was a practice deceiving investors, then what option would you choose:
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1) Ban the sale of cardboard.
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2) Ban the sale of baseball cards.
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3) Ban the sale of vintage baseball cards.
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4) Ban the sale of new baseball cards.
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5) Ban companies from misrepresenting the resale value of new baseball cards.
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I would chose #5.
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I would, also, support legislation that the would require Goldline to inform consumers that the reason they are paying 300% of the price of gold nuggets is not tied to a 300% increase in resale value, but, instead since these coins are decorative items, not investment gold.
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Ethics, Freakinpa. It’s a word you right wingers no nothing about.
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BTW: Having hearings involves two taxpayer expenses: electricity for the room and pitchers of cold water and glasses to drink the water from during the hearing. It’s not like handing away no bid contracts to Haliburton.

As much as I do like law enforcement to have as many tools in their bag as possible, the fact that other governments will be able to use this to silence dissidents (like in Iran- and both Democrats and Republicans would be thrilled to see the regime in Terran fall) as well as the fact that hackers would likely be able to use the same back door technology to spy on us, I think this back door is a bad idea.

PROVIDENCE –– A new law aimed at saving millions of teaching jobs and protecting school programs across the country may not accomplish either goal here in Rhode Island.
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Instead, Governor Carcieri intends to use the $32.9 million Rhode Island is eligible to receive to plug an estimated $38-million deficit in this year’s budget.
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His plan drew a strong protest from Education Commissioner Deborah A. Gist, Congressman James R. Langevin and representatives of teachers unions and the state’s school committees.
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Gist said she is “very concerned that federal aid that’s intended for education is being used to fill a statewide deficit.” She said she has “strongly advocated” that the money be used “for its intended purpose.”
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http://www.projo.com/news/content/no_ed_jobs_saved_09-01-10_IHJNQSD_v89.22a5c9f.html

“No dancing at all. Just the foolishness of the left who needs to find evil, however only on the right, even though its a legal activity”
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So you start with a bank buying gold and now you’re talking about foolish left for looking into goldlines practices. Weird.
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“If there is a problem change the law. Weiner and the left want neither. They want to vilify Beck. If you can’t beat him in ideas harass and destroy him. It is just like cigarettes. Evil companies, health care risk but no spine to make illegal just harass and demonize.”
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I just wonder what cigarettes have to do anything.
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“Maybe we should put a warning label on the coins like we did on ladders “don’t use on ice” or Alcohol “do not drink if pregnant”. It’s called taking responsibility something the left is not very good at doing as exemplified by our First Blamer in Chief.”
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HAHAHAHA. Are you serious?
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You know – every time I read partisan ideologues usual nonsense it always reads as irony…like it’s all a act because I can’t for the life of me understand why someone would accuse the other side of the same behavior they do themselves. But then I realize it isn’t. You’re actually completely blind to it. Like when you get all bent out of shape about name calling while doing it yourself. Or like this – accusing Obama for blaming Bush (I assume) while you spend 2/3rd of your time blaming liberals for everything and taking ‘ideological’ responsibility for nothing.
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Ignorant is bliss they say but you always seems so angry. So I wonder if we shouldn’t change that saying.

“Nope, not in this thread. You’re being dishonest again, Freeper”
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Back to the arrogant and condescending I see. The great Grape has decided. Every time budgets cuts an d spending come up the liberal fall back position is to somehow get its for the children and only heartless people would be against it. Its tiresome, dishonest adn wrong. You have no problem kicking the can down the road to make a current issue that its unfeeling to deprive someone of an entitlement. Somehow you conveniently miss how cruel it is to hook them on it and them having it forced away because the budget and debt will destroy the economy. The only one being dishonest is you and to yourself which is really pitiful.
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“‘Entitlements’…Please be specific. List all the ‘entitlements’ you want cut”
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Everyone. I assume the problem you have with that statement is that you can’t truly decipher what is an entitlement. SS, Medicare and go through every government department, as Obama said line by line to either restructure or eliminate. By the way he has not yet done what he said.
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“Coming from you, who constantly manufactures ‘issues’ and erects strawmen to beat upon, that’s gross hypocrisy, Freeper.”
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Back to arrogance again. The Great Grape determines what are issues. If you determine they are not (or more precisely you can’t deal with them) shazzam It’s a strawman. I guess its easier than defending philosophical bankruptcy.
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“And that CAP paper does address those and other possible cuts.”

And no matter how many times you repeat it, the fact that 58% of the reduction comes from cutting defense (an actual duty of the federal government as outline din the constitution) and tax increases. That is what the left calls “tough choices”. Add coward to your title of hypocrite.

Rev Jim:

Still testing positive for stupid.

“Second, Obama was very clear what he wanted for HCR”

Wrong again loser or did Obama kie throughout the debate?
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“During the call, a blogger from Maine said he kept running into an Investors Business Daily article that claimed Section 102 of the House health legislation would outlaw private insurance. He asked: “Is this true? Will people be able to keep their insurance and will insurers be able to write new policies even though H.R. 3200 is passed?” President Obama replied: “You know, I have to say that I am not familiar with the provision you are talking about.” (quote begins at 17:10) This is a truly disturbing admission by the President, especially considering that later in the call, Obama promises yet again: “If you have health insurance, and you like it, and you have a doctor that you like, then you can keep it. Period.” How can Obama keep making this promise if he is not familiar with the health legislation that is being written in Congress?”
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“Aides say Obama plans to give a more specific prescription for health care than he has in the past”
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He has a plan, no he doesn’t , yes he does…

“and contributions to all candidates be limited”

Why? It limits freedom of speech (that pesky constitution again) and greatly benefits incumbents which is a bigger problem- professional politicians.

Clueless again Rev JIm. If Harvard accepts federal dollars and federal agency should be welcomed on class and not banned because some elitist putz disagrees with the law.
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And yes by Harvard wishing to allow illegals to attend, to the detriment of citizens they are supporting law breakers. You nonsense about Bush as usual had nothing to do with the point and is as irrelevant as you.

Quick Rev Jim call the Saudi’s and those other un-savvy, financial ignorant Middle Easterners that have put vending machines thorughout so people can buy gold coins. I am sure they would value the sage wisdom of a perpetual loser and college dropout.

The difference between investing in gold and investing in gold coins is like the difference between buying vintage baseball cards and buying cardboard.

“If you want to have a budget surplus, you can’t, also, cut taxes”.

Wrong again Rev Jim

” PROVIDENCE — The General Assembly on Friday unanimously approved the most sweeping changes to the state’s personal income-tax system in nearly 40 years.

Governor Carcieri said he would sign the landmark legislation into law.

The measure will cut the state’s top tax rate, one of the highest in the country, from 9.9 percent to 5.99 percent.
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I have to hand it to you, day in and day out you earn your title as Village Idiot

The only one being dishonest is you and to yourself which is really pitiful.
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Freeper resorts to the “I know you are, but what am I” argument…which means he has no argument.
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You lose again, Freeper.
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Everyone. I assume the problem you have with that statement is that you can’t truly decipher what is an entitlement.
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You can’t answer that question, can you, Freeper? It’s so funny watching you try to dance around it, with a only a couple of nonspecific grunts about Medicare and Social Security.
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…shazzam It’s a strawman.
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What’s even more funny is that you’re too dim to know when you’ve lost and should give up. Gotta give you props for your persistence…in demonstrating to all that you’re not the sharpest tool in the shed.

“Instead, Governor Carcieri intends to use the $32.9 million Rhode Island is eligible to receive to plug an estimated $38-million deficit in this year’s budget.

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To receive the money, states must show federal officials they are continuing to support education in the same proportion of overall spending, and will not use these federal monies to build up a “rainy day fund” or to pay off debt.

Although the state has cut education aid, other department budgets have also been reduced, so it is likely the state will be able to fulfill this requirement.
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Seems they meet all the requirements set out by the federal government. Quite frankly it is hard to figure how this is different from the money states received from the tobacco settlements that was supposed to be used for HC that was spent on everything else. One main difference is the Governor right now is showing political courage and fiscal responsibility.

No, corporations are not, and were never intended to be persons with and endless lifespan and they should not have the same rights to speech as individuals. Individuals would and should retain their right to speech and it is already limited in election campaign contributions. Transparency should be the chief goal of any such reforms.

“Freeper resorts to the “I know you are, but what am I” argument…which means he has no argument.
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You lose again, Freeper.”
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This is a common tactic here with the intellectually bankrupt liberals; declare your self the winner and take a victory lap. Well if it keeps you away for the shoelaces and sharp objects go for it. You can’t defend your “position” so declare victory.
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“You can’t answer that question, can you, Freeper? It’s so funny watching you try to dance around it, with a only a couple of nonspecific grunts about Medicare and Social Security.”
. Another pathetic lame liberal attempt at eing superior. No dancing. SS and Medicare is over from its current form. Those within a few years of retirement you will collect less and there would be CPI-adjustments only. Under 50, start to save. I am sure an intellectual giant such as yourself can understand that. You answer in “strawmans” and “you lose again”: but want doctoral dissertations for answers. For you to understand I would have to use small words and it would take forever to write and once I expend the effort, as seen by your prior answers it would be insufficient for you.

There is either free speech or government managed speech. The problem is not with corporate donors but with politicians which argues for citizen legislators and limited government than it does to ban donors.

“One main difference is the Governor right now is showing political courage and fiscal responsibility.”
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Well, sure. Cutting the top tax rate for your billionaire campaign contributors while spending money designated for schools to close your budget gap is the absolute height of political courage and fiscal responsibility…on planet Republican.

There is not enough time in a day or computer space to explain to liberals that high taxes choke of growth and makes states non-competitive to neighboring states. No matter how many times it happens they still don’t learn.
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But it does show class warfare to be silly and unproductive which is the liberal philosophy in a nutshell.
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Teachers in RI ranked 9th in salary with $53,473 avg salary. Nationally students rank 26th. SAT test results since 1972 have dropped. Prudent decision to re-direct monies since there will be no benefit to the students.

Freeper, you do realise that Republicans maybe the majority party in congress after Nov?
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So where is the plan to govern after Nov? How does your party plan to reduce the size of the govt? I hope you realise that a party cannot govern by just saying NO.

“There is either free speech or government managed speech.”
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The freedom of speech does not include everybody having their own television show, everybody having their own radio program or everybody being able to have paid advertisements for their ideas.
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Freedom of speech, sir, is why nobody is contemplating make a law against dumb speech and giving you a life sentence for the hundreds of pages of stupidity you write.

” Every time budgets cuts an d spending come up the liberal fall back position is to somehow get its for the children and only heartless people would be against it. Its tiresome, dishonest adn wrong.”
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Yet you do not name any program which Democrats/liberals defend which you would determine should be cut.
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Then you call everybody else stupid if they do not know where this huge amount of money is supposed to come from. SS & Medicare are taxed separately and are not running a deficit.
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I, myself, used public information to determine than 15% of our federal budget goes to what you call “welfare”.
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Again, later, I used the same federal numbers to determine that if we removed everything on your list of programs you hate including welfare, it would be 30% of the total 2010 budget.
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You insist, with no basis whatsoever, that everybody in the world but you is stupid and knows the secret place in the budget outside of defense spending which can both save us from a deficit, pay off the federal debt and lower taxes all at the same time.
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You are like Francisco Vásquez de Coronado, the Spanish explorer looking for the Seven Cities of Gold attacking everybody who tells you that there are no such thing hidden in the federal budget.

“So where is the plan to govern after Nov? How does your party plan to reduce the size of the govt?”
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The classic Republican response”
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Where are all the protectors of the poor innocent folk
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Actually, Anthony Weiner should lay off GoldLine. After all, the only people who watch Fox and fall for the scams are the “Dont tread on me” wingnuts.

“If Harvard accepts federal dollars and federal agency should be welcomed on class and not banned because some elitist putz disagrees with the law.”
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The Federal dollars are either financial aid to students or for research done for the government.
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By your standards Raytheon, since they take federal money for services performed should make their office buildings and land open to the public including allowing anti-war protesters into their buildings.
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“And yes by Harvard wishing to allow illegals to attend, to the detriment of citizens they are supporting law breakers.”
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Wishing is illegal?
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Only George Orwell characters would think of that one.
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I guess that thinking the president is an idiot is treason if wishing the laws regarding immigration were different.
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I should call you a thought criminal using your reasoning.

“Quick Rev Jim call the Saudi’s and those other un-savvy, financial ignorant Middle Easterners that have put vending machines thorughout so people can buy gold coins.”
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First, you have no link to this. None of us here have ever claimed to be an expert on Middle Eastern vending machines, so, a link to prove that these machines exist is important.
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Second, do you know for a fact that these coins sold in Saudi Arabia are for the same inflated price in terms of US dollars or if they are as a cheap as gold nuggets.
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Third, I said buying them at the prices Goldline sells them at is unwise if your intention is to do anything other than to decorate your home. Selling them at such an amazing profit margin is a great way to make dishonest money.
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Your reasoning is very unsound.

So, instead of hiring large numbers of unemployed people who will each spend a large portion of their income going to private, for profit businesses, they are going to give a gift to the wealthiest so that they can put the money into secondary markets and cause the next stock market bubble while people are still unemployed and not spending.
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You are so extraordinarily stupid and so unconscious of your stupidity that it is alarming.

No. The problem is corporate personhood. The solution is to eliminate it. People have the right to free speech; corporations do (or should) not.

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“During the call, a blogger from Maine said he kept running into an Investors Business Daily article that claimed Section 102 of the House health legislation would outlaw private insurance. He asked: “Is this true? Will people be able to keep their insurance and will insurers be able to write new policies even though H.R. 3200 is passed?” President Obama replied: “You know, I have to say that I am not familiar with the provision you are talking about.”

He wasn’t familiar with it because it wasn’t there. Your ID source was lying… as usual.

Goldline / Beck Investigation
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I believe there is a strong probability that Weiner was working with the WH Staff and the President in an attempt to discredit Glenn Beck, one of the Presidents biggest critics.
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The reasons for my concerns are as follows:
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1. This was a Personal investigation by Weiner, not an official Congressional Committee Investigation.
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2. Why did Weiner elect to personally investigate Goldline who holds a Better Business Bureau Rating of A+ rather than one of the many other Gold Merchants who hold much lower BBB Rating some as low as F? This certainly gives the impression that Goldline and Beck were singled out for a reason.
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“The Better Business Bureau, which has given Goldline an A+ rating, said Tuesday that it was standing by that. A representative of the bureau said it had recently re-reviewed Goldline in response to Mr. Weiner’s accusations and saw no reason for a change. “It’s a company with not that many complaints,” said Gary Almond, from the bureau. When compared with other companies that sell gold, “there was a remarkable difference in how each one addressed complaints,” noting that some of those other companies had ‘F’ Ratings.”
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3. The same day Weiner released his Report on Goldline and Glenn Beck, he had a personal meeting with President Obama at the White House.

4. Weiner stated in his report that “Beck at one point was a paid spokesperson for Goldline, but is no longer because it violated FOX News Rules”. This statement is false in that Beck freely chose to discontinue doing commercials for Goldline because of his concern that it could be interpreted as a conflict of interest. It was not against any FOX News Rules. Several other FOX News personalities continue to do commercials for Goldline.
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5. Notice the typo on page one paragraph three of Weiner’s report “coins can be bought somewhere else for cheaper”. I think “for” doesn’t belong there. Someone doesn’t know how to use spell check correctly.
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Who is Congressman Anthony Weiner and what kind of person is he? The following is some information readily available about Weiner.
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The FEC (Federal Election Commission) had two ethic cases (MURs, or Matters Under Review) related to Congressman Weiner. Both cases have the same name, Friends of Weiner. MUR 4995 resulted in a $47,000.00 fine (“civil penalty”) against Weiner because of financial misconduct in one of his reelection campaigns. MUR 5429 involved an illegal $28,000.00 loan that was made to one of his campaign committees.
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On May 14th 2010 Weiner was a guest on the Imus in the Morning program and was railing against Arizona’s Immigration Law. Imus asked if he had read the law and he said “No.” Imus asked how he could have an opinion without reading the law and he said his opinions were based on the commentary he’s read.
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Rep. Anthony Weiner is directing $238,000 of this year’s federal budget to a Brooklyn nonprofit whose backers have showered him with campaign contributions, records show.
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At least four board officers of the Sephardic Addiction and Family Education (SAFE) Foundation have, together with their families and close associates, directed more than $160,000 to Weiner’s campaigns, including more than $100,000 for this year’s mayoral race.
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I don’t think I would trust anything this guy says. He is definitely a piece of work. It does appear that someone on the WH Staff and possible even the President is involved in this political attack against Glenn Beck.
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You may not like Glenn Beck but for the WH to use its power to try to eliminate the free speech of its critic cannot be supported in a free society.
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Weiner’s Goldline Report http://weiner.house.gov/reports/5%2017%2010%20Goldline%20Report.pdf

3xfire3, you may not like Anthony Weiner, but for you to use your senility as an excuse to write a long-winded critique about Anthony Weiner exercising his right to free speech, cannot be supported in a sane society.

“I believe there is a strong probability that Weiner was working with the WH Staff and the President in an attempt to discredit Glenn Beck, one of the Presidents biggest critics.”
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Then you say:
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“Weiner stated in his report that “Beck at one point was a paid spokesperson for Goldline, but is no longer because it violated FOX News Rules”. This statement is false in that Beck freely chose to discontinue doing commercials for Goldline because of his concern that it could be interpreted as a conflict of interest. It was not against any FOX News Rules. Several other FOX News personalities continue to do commercials for Goldline.”
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So, my big Weiner confirmed that Goldline is skating on the absolute edge of committing fraud such that congress ought to revise anti-fraud law so that Goldline will chose to either stop being so misleading or face charges at a future date after such laws are changed. You then claim that it is done to persecute Beck even though Weiner confirmed Beck is no longer spokesperson for Goldline.
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You know, even though you claim to be so bright, even when I let my Weiner think for me it is smarter than you are.
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Figure this out:
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2011 or so: laws change for investment related goods so that places like Goldline will have to call their coins decorative items and tell the consumer that it is not likely to go up in value, about three times as expensive as gold nuggets and not an alternative to things like gold nuggets or securities.
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Glen Beck stopped speaking for Goldline in 2010.
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So, you are saying that Weiner was directed by Obama (already you are making a mistake believing that Democrats cooperate with one another – look at a HCR, there was no cooperation just infighting until there was a watered down, weak bill) to investigate Goldline. The reason for this, you believe, is so that, after changing anti-fraud statues that Goldline will violate the law and, after it violates the law, Glenn Beck will resume being one of their spokespersons, get implicated and lose his show.
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How about Weiner represents a middle income district where some of his constituents have either lost money to Goldline or have had friends or relatives who had and, therefore, wants to prevent future fraud?
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And, since he is a Democrat, too, Obama spoke with him in the White House most likely to push Weiner into voting for some other things on Obama’s agenda.
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Now, you 3X, are using paranoid reasoning.
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BTW: I am not a psychologist, so, I am not officially calling you a mental patient, but, I can, as somebody who understands logic and reason say that your post above is totally illogical and unreasonable.
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If I make a typo, are you going to believe that I am an employee of the president here to defend him?

Freeinpa Quote: “The difference between investing in gold and investing in gold coins is like the difference between buying vintage baseball cards and buying cardboard.”
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This is a great analogy but not for the reason that you think. When I was eight I saved my money and bought a Barry Sanders Rookie card for $50 right when football cards were really hot. The card went up to over $150 dollars before crashing. You can buy the card off ebay right now for around $20.
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Now did that card go down because the price of cardboard went down or because football cards became less of a fad?
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I think Goldline is a fad right now for a select group of people. I very much doubt any Goldman Sachs’ traders are doing long term investments in Goldline.
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That being said, I think the government should stay out. Goldline is just promoting a product. Their product can be deemed as a collectible so it doesn’t matter if it doesn’t track gold. It’s not an ETF.
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Patrick and Marverick,
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You both failed to answer this important question.
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Why did Weiner elect to personally investigate [not as part of a congressional committee investigation] but to personally investigate Goldline who holds a Better Business Bureau Rating of A+ rather than one of the many hundreds of other Gold Merchants many of whom hold much lower BBB Rating some as low as F? This certainly gives the impression that Weiner purposely singled out Beck and Goldline for political reasons.
“The Better Business Bureau, which has given Goldline an A+ rating, said Tuesday that it was standing by that. A representative of the bureau said it had recently re-reviewed Goldline in response to Mr. Weiner’s accusations and saw no reason for a change. “It’s a company with not that many complaints,” said Gary Almond, from the bureau. When compared with other companies that sell gold, “there was a remarkable difference in how each one addressed complaints,” noting that some of those other companies had ‘F’ Ratings.”
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There must have been a reason Weiner singled out Goldline rather than one of the hundreds of other companies that sell gold as investments.

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You both failed to answer this important question.
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Why did Weiner elect to personally investigate [not as part of a congressional committee investigation] but to personally investigate Goldline who holds a Better Business Bureau Rating of A+ rather than one of the many hundreds of other Gold Merchants many of whom hold much lower BBB Rating some as low as F?
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Because, last I checked, America is a free country and what Weiner does in his personal capacity is his own private business.
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How can you not understand such a simple concept? Don’t you tread on him, 3xfire3.
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Actually, to Rep. Weiner’s credit, he didn’t misuse congressional committee’s powers to go on a witch hunt, like the House Republicans did during Clinton years and what Michele Bachmann/ Darrell Issa promise to do, once Republicans get the majority.
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Is the above answer too sane/reasonable/rational for you, 3xfire3? Are you frightened that there isnt any grand “conspiracy” in the explanation?

Maverick,
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“Because, last I checked, America is a free country and what Weiner does in his personal capacity is his own private business.”
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That’s got to be the Dumbest answer I ever heard.
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You cannot give a rational answer so you say because.
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Why did he single out Goldline and Beck? You know it was for political reasons you just are not man enough to admit it. Why them rather than one of the other hundreds who had lower BBB ratings?
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Can you not give a sane answer? Real men and women admit when their wrong.

Why did he single out Goldline and Beck? You know it was for political reasons you just are not man enough to admit it. Why them rather than one of the other hundreds who had lower BBB ratings?
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Okk, While I cannot read Weiner’s mind, just to satisfy your delusions, I’ll admit that Weiner did it for political reasons, but in a purely personal capacity without misusing any of the powers of public office that he holds.
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Now thats out of the way, have you died of shock yet? I still dont get the outrage that you seem to feel.
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Come to think of it, Weiner should now look at this “BBB” organization that goes around slapping A+ rating on fraudsters. Sub-prime securities had AAA+ ratings from S&P/Moodys and we all know how well that worked out!