Dept. of Books: “American Taliban”

Markos Moulitsas is nothing more than a neo-Socialist, born and bred in the same mold as his predecessors, Mao, Che, Marx, and Lenin.
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The only difference is about 80 or so years.

Helpful?

“You refer to a whole swath of U.S. conservatives as American Taliban. Is that really helpful?“

“Treason: Liberal Treachery from the Cold War to the War on Terrorism,” by Ann Coulter
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Publisher: Crown Forum; 1 edition (June 24, 2003)
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http://www.amazon.com/Treason-Liberal-Treachery-Cold-Terrorism/dp/1400050308
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Helpful to whom?

So when shall we be treated to the dressing down Obama received at his little Town hall meeting sponsored by the new Government media, NBC the other day by Velma the CFO?
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Velma it seems is a disillusioned former Obama supporter who was waiting for all the change which shall never come. Unfortunately for Velma, this faux pas change from Obama will NEVER come about. It is nothing more than the same old crap we have been fed by the liberals in this country, especially the likes of Markos Moulitsas.
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I hope more liberals like Velma speak out. Speak out and tell the rest of the liberals out in la-la liberal land that what they propose is nothing more than what it is, pure and unadulterated BULLCRAP!
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“Is that really helpful?”
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No, it’s not. It’s divisive and destructive. To paraphrase an infamous Moulitsas moment, he’d just like to say “screw ‘em”.
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He brings up the abortion doctors being killed. In the 37 years since Roe v. Wade, 5 have been killed. 5. This isn’t widespread/common. And why is is that after the Tiller murder, liberals weren’t rushing to say that “the vast majority of pro-lifers are peaceful?” This is what happened after 9/11 with Muslims. I agree with that sentiment, of course, because the vast majority of Muslims ARE peaceful. But so are pro-lifers. It’s such a double standard.
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It’s just as unfair to equate being pro-life/conservative to violence as it is to equate Islam to violence.

Good point, Stuart.
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Where’s Markos’s cover story, Time magazine?

I appreciate your strong feeling on the subject of choice, however that was five words from that whole interview as a clause beginning this complete sentence.
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there’s an ammunition shortage across the country because some of these people are hoarding stores for the coming apocalypse. Sharron Angle [a Republican running for the Senate in Nevada] has warned that if voters don’t elect the right candidates, they may have to resort to “Second Amendment remedies.”

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I think his larger point is something to think about.

gum0nshoe: Grabs a bag of popcorn, pops out an ottoman & reclines for the show.

Is there a reason you chose such an unattractive picture of Markos? Does that show you (TIME) may talk about the book, but you should not be thought of as liberal?

I found the Q&A interesting because I listened to Jay Ackroyd interview him on his program this morning at the gym. http://virtuallyspeaking.ning.com/ Download the interview from itunes.

“You can read the whole thing here.”
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Nice picture selection. I guess it’s tough to make a smart liberal like Moulitsas look bad in a Q&A.

In the 37 years since Roe v. Wade, 5 have been killed. 5. This isn’t widespread/common.
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During what timeframe did the killings actually occur?
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If I’ve been raising 1000′s of chickens for 25 years and I tell you I’ve only lost 100 over that time, it’s not a big deal. If I tell you I lost 100 since yesterday afternoon, right after the cooling went out in the henhouse, it’s a different matter. And I can assume that the first event just MAY have had to do with the latter.
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Did the killings coincide with the upswing in harsh rhetoric from the “pro-life/anti-abortion” supporters and public figures toward doctors that perform abortions?
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Much different issue than if a random killing happened every 5 years or so.

You seem okay with five deaths.
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What number would you deem unacceptable?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence

Wow, what a whacko. He wears the crown proudly. Leftist extremist, calls everybody else names. That’s why he’s the left’s braintrust.

That “whacko” “leftist extremist” name calls.
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Wow.

Of course, I have all the respect for you, as you happen to be one of the few Conservatives left who don’t come out of the gates with guns blazing.
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The question remains, however, about the conduct of many other conservative’s peers:
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How can one expect others to perceive conservatives differently when there are people like Beck (whose followers have killed three) and others (whose followers have killed five) continue to sew hatred, outrage and general xenophobia?
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Right now, this year, Islamic extremists and right wing extremists are in a tie for the Derby of Death…

Helpful?
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http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Gingrich_warns_Obama_moving_towards_political_0326.html

Gingrich: ‘Liberal fascists’ moving us towards ‘political dictatorship’
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David Edwards and Stephen C. Webster
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Published: Thursday March 26, 2009
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President Barack Obama has been in office just over three months, yet former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich is already forecasting a looming “political dictatorship.”
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In a televised interview with Fox editorialist Sean Hannity on March 25, Gingrich cited Jonah Goldberg’s Liberal Fascism as reference for what he sees Democrats in Congress and the White House pushing for.
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“I think [Goldberg] ought to reissue it as sort-of an introductory guide to how the left is thinking this year,” said Gingrich. “We are seeing the biggest power grab by politicians in American history.
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“… The idea that they would propose the Treasury can intervene and take over non-bank, non-financial system assets, gives them the potential to basically create a dictatorship. You don’t do what they want, they take over your company.
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“… It absolutely moves you toward a political dictatorship,” he said.

Was that “really helpful”?

And what is your motto today, liberalmeltdown?
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How many have you killed today?
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Would that work? The Beckster probably wouldn’t even flinch on that one…

I don’t think anyone should place Timothy McVeigh outside the right wing mold.
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And he was an anti-abortionist as well as racist. Not to mention a totally “Smaller Government” type. The stuff he believed about the UN wasn’t just paranoia that popped into his head.
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It was a product of the GOP back then.
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I’m serious about this! Even the teabaggers early this spring were discussing such worries…

Was this helpful, back in 1997?

I. The ammunition thing is fact. My father works for a large retailer and does the budget for the hunting department. They were selling their stock like crazy right after Obama came to power. Of course, now they have a hard time selling any ammunition so I get the feeling these sentiments have died down now that its been two years and no anti gun legislation has been passed (or people have enough they feel safe).
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II. Is it helpful? Depends. I’d be more worried if it was accurate. I’m not convinced anti abortionist terrorists are the same people who currently are hoarding ammunition and threatening to secede (hi Texas!). I think its certainly worth calling crazy people out on what they are doing. Eastern Europe, South America, Germany, and many other examples of what “populist anger” can lead to might behoove you to distance yourself from such a group.
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III. Making these distinctions ought to be done carefully. Its one thing to denounce a view point, and another to generalize an entire group. You make a fine point that a single issue can’t define a mindset, but there is plenty of evidence that a particular mindset is using several core issues to make very radical points.

Beat me to it.
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Don’t forget Time’s sister magazine, Forbes, which just ran a cover story suggesting the President of the United States was a radical Kenyan anti-colonialist, a story that was written by Dinesh D’Souza, whose previous book — helpfully titled The Enemy At Home: The Cultural Left and Its Responsibility for 9/11 — said American liberals were to blame for 9/11 because our moral decay justified Bin Laden’s attack.
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But oh no! Someone likened our right-wing, anti-gay, anti-woman religious fundamentalists to Afghanistan’s anti-gay, anti-woman right-wing religious fundamentalists! Heaven forfend!

He probably learned such leftist extremist America-hating ways when he was serving this country in the U.S. Army.

Jesus, that’s awful. I’m surprised they didn’t Photoshop it to show him burning an American flag and punching out a nun.

How about this?
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http://dailycaller.com/2010/08/05/critics-allege-elena-kagan-is-sympathetic-to-sharia-law/

Critics allege Elena Kagan is sympathetic to Sharia law
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September 22, 2010
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Despite the appearance of a fait accompli, numerous conservative groups have provided a wide range of reasons to oppose the Kagan nomination. Among the oft listed concerns are: her lack of experience, her perceived hostility to the military and free speech, her abortion and gay rights records, and her apparent reverence for foreign law. All these points have acted to obscure what some argue is one of her primary disqualifications — her sympathetic view of Sharia, or Islamic law.
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Kagan’s detractors point to her time as the dean of Harvard Law School as the primary demonstration of her approval of Sharia. Andrew McCarthy, a senior fellow at the National Review Institute, wrote in an article on The National Review’s website that as Harvard Law School dean, Kagan “became the champion of sharia.”
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Robert Spencer, the director of Jihad Watch, told The Daily Caller that Kagan would help advance Sharia law in America out of ignorance. “[Kagan] would knowingly and wittingly abet the advance of Sharia, but she wouldn’t do it understanding anything about Sharia. She would do it out of her ignorance.”
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Spencer attributes Kagan’s fondness for Sharia to naïveté and liberalism. “There is a general tendency on the part of political liberals in the United States today to take a benign view of Islam and Islamic law,” he said. “They are generally uninformed and share a hatred of the West and Western civilization.”
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According to Spencer, Kagan will be a willing accomplice in the ongoing stealth jihad — or the institution of Sharia into non-Muslim societies via non-violent means, such as the courts and mainstreaming Islamic customs — currently underway against the West.

Was that also “really helpful?”

..pure and unadulterated BULLCRAP!
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And Rusty is nothing if not an expert on “pure and unadulterated BULLCRAP”… as well as a source of copious amounts of the “fertilizer”…

Here’s a photo of Markos in his America-hating, jihadi uniform:
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http://markosweb.info/markos.html

After graduating from Schaumburg High School in Schaumburg, Illinois,[4] he served in the U.S. Army from 1989 through 1992. He completed training at Ft. Sill in Oklahoma and fulfilled his three-year enlistment as a Multiple Launch Rocket System (MLRS) Fire Direction Specialist while stationed in Bamberg, Germany.[1] By his own account, he “missed deploying to the Gulf War by a hair.” Moulitsas has described the Army as “perhaps the ideal society – we worked hard but the Army took care of us in return.”[5]
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Prior to enlisting in the Army, Moulitsas was a member of the Republican Party. During the 1988 presidential election, he served as a Republican precinct captain and assisted with the re-election campaign of Illinois Congressman Henry Hyde.[5] However, during his time in the military Moulitsas began a transition in his political philosophy that would lead him to change his party affiliation from the Republican Party to the Democratic Party.[1]

You refer to a whole swath of U.S. conservatives as American Taliban. Is that really helpful?
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The entire liberal media, the liberal political machine, and all of the liberal entities from the NAACP to the Big Labor Unions and the George Soros funded attack dogs have attacked the Tea Party movement with out and outright lies. To this date, no video or any other type of proof has been given to the March ’10 Tea Party protest of the healthcare bill which the flaming racists of the Black Congressional Caucus accused Tea Party members of racial slurs as well as spitting on them ALL OF IT LIES.

But we don’t see these Americans blowing up statues of the Buddha or riding around in pickup trucks with AK-47s.
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America has with stood all of the potential attacks against us because of our 2nd Amendment rights. America since our humble beginnings have been armed citizens. This not only prevents attacks from foreign countries like the real Taliban and Al Qaeda, but also from our own government’s attempt at tyranny upon the people. It isn’t due to anything liberals have done or fought for, not in the very least. If anything, liberals want to push gun control laws which take that crucial freedom away from us. Simply ask yourself why they want to do this?
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What are these goals?
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Impose our rigid values and ideals upon them. More like the leftist represented by Moulatas wants to take away our values and ideals. To remove any form of Christianity from our daily lives. First they attacked our schools, then our Churches, and now our Government. Soon we shall see even “In God We Trust” removed by the communists hiding behind their “liberal” masks.
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America has a long history of right-wing populist movements. Is this latest iteration that different from those that preceded it
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Right-wing or Left-wing populist movements have occurred in this country ever since we declared our independence. It is what separates us from the rest of the world. Once an individual tastes freedom and liberty, they know they will never want to go back to being subjugated by a tyrant. No matter if that tyrant’s name is Barack HUSSEIN Obama.
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Much of the anger that gets articulated by Tea Partyers has to do with a sense of loss of freedoms. That’s not a racial thing
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Anyone who thinks we have not lost many of our freedoms to date under this current Administration is either blind or stupid. First and foremost our freedom to choose has been under attack by the leftist liberal extremists in this country by enacting a law which requires someone to purchase something they may or may not need in the first place. Where has the precedent for this unconstitutional assault on our basic freedoms occurred before? All of the gun control legislation and the local laws passed by various local communities are a direct assault on our Constitutional freedoms. Our liberties and freedoms have been challenged on a daily basis by all of the reforms, new policies and programs starting off with all of the EPA’s and the Department of Homeland Security to name just two. People who will tell the truth understand and know what is going on today. We are here to stop you.
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You’re a blogger familiar with the whole world of politicized or partisan media that has come to the fore in recent years. How crucial has that been to the success of this right-wing movement?
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The so-called “partisan media” started off with and ends with the liberal media as represented here by TIME.com, Daily Kos and it’s wacked out founder as prime examples. The internet was once dominated by liberals. Today, not so much. Now listen to them squeal.
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Aren’t conservatives just simply better at waging these battles?
Yes. For the simple fact the truth is undisputable.

Take another hit off the bong 53.

So, OK have it your way. He’s a mainstream leftist, a standup guy and represents what you believe.

Equating anybody with the Taliban is intellectually bankrupt, diminishes the horrible things that the Taliban actually did. It’s like when you compared Bush to Hitler. But go ahead and claim him as your representative.

Normally when Rusty does a question-and-answer session with himself, he has to invent a second personality to carry the conversation. This version is much more economical.
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It’s sad no one will actually read it. Maybe a third personality can come through and comment?

Then why are there so many of those darned videos out there that show teabaggers behaving badly?
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Do you have a magic wand to wish those away?
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From the linked article:

Is that really helpful?

A legitimate question…back in 2003, when people opposing the Iraq war were being called ‘traitors’.

Nobody blinks anymore when some demagogue on the Right harshes up the language…but when someone like Grayson ‘goes’ there, people get the vapors.

But we don’t see these Americans blowing up statues of the Buddha or riding around in pickup trucks with AK-47s.

No, just vandalized mosques and fringe right-wingers talking about “Second Amendment remedies.”

Guess that stuff doesn’t count, right?

Much of the anger that gets articulated by Tea Partyers has to do with a sense of loss of freedoms.

I’ll differ from ‘Kos and say that it’s not all rhetoric. There’s an undercurrent of vicitim mentality as well, which is useful for building sympathy.

Of course, when I dare to point out that “…liberal organizations like the NAACP…” in fact had to address far more Constitutional issues than Rusty and freeinpa’s whiney preoccupation with the second Amendment, they turn to insults.
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What does that say about their level of Constitutional “expertise”. What does it say of their knowledge about what other Americans have had to face in this regard?

What number of aborted babies are you comfortable with?

Nobody here advocated killing abortion doctors. That is your paranoia and a result of listening to extremists like Moulitsas.

Send in Janet Reno to kill them all…

It has been long observed that clinging to victimhood, no matter their electoral success, is their never dimming ember.
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Angry when their party loses and angry when they win.
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You are dumber than a warm rock on a windowsill liberalmeltdown:
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1. I’ve never compared Bush to Hitler.
2. Your fellow teabaggers compare Obama to Hitler regularly.
3. Also, your dear fiend Rusty aka Newblahablah just got finished indulging in implicit comparison of Obama with Islamic extremists at the end of paragraph 8 in his diatribe at 8.
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Now what do you have to say for yourselve(s), toopid…

They do seem to be very, very angry people.
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Just like those Vogons…

“Send in Janet Reno to kill them all…”
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Interesting where your sympathies are there.
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You reallllly have to hate the United States to support a David Koresh.

liberalmeltdown:
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Now, you havn’t openly cheered them to their deaths, but I think I can safely say that secretly, I have no doubt that you do.
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I also have no doubt that you’ve indulged in codespeak in the past, conveying such sentiments “under the radar”.
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Rusty is a master at it. I’m sure you’ll be able to wear that halo at his website…

Along with fact that rhetoric of questionable “helpfulness” is ubiquitous on the Right, it’s worth mentioning that on the right, this goes straight to the top.
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Sen. Sessions wonders if Kagan will be soft on sharia: http://www.mediaite.com/online/sen-jeff-sessions-why-does-elena-kagan-oppose-dont-ask-dont-tell-but-not-sharia-law/
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Rove ignores votes for 9/18/01 AUMF, and the history of the last century or two, claims liberals wanted to give bin Laden “therapy”: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/blog/2005/06/23/BL2005062300945.html

Equating anybody with the Taliban is intellectually bankrupt, diminishes the horrible things that the Taliban actually did.
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So, by your reasoning, Obama’s policies shouldn’t be compared to Nazism, because that diminishes what the Nazi’s actually did? So… why do it then?
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As for comparisons, they are intellectually bankrupt only if the comparisons don’t work, NOT because we are uncomfortable with the exercise itself.
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Certain tactics and measures are wrong on their face, NOT just because of who’s employing them. We have to get over this sense of American “exceptionalism” affecting our collective moral compass.
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I happen to believe that some provisions of our Patriot Act are virtually identical to the old Soviet KGB security apparatus. Doesn’t make any of the excesses of that regime any less odious.
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I just think our intelligence agencies learned the wrong lessons from the fall of the old Soviet Union – we should have realized that they had the wrong goals toward their citizens, NOT that their tactics were wrongly applied and we can do better.

This is gross!

” They were selling their stock like crazy right after Obama came to power.”
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“…came to power.”
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If that is not a loaded term, I do not know what is.
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With yellow bellied blue dog Democrats in cahoots most of the time with a Republican minority marching in lockstep, I don’t think Obama has half the power that George W Bush had during the first six years of his presidency.
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But, I have a conservative gun owning uncle (with a good sense of humor and nothing even slightly like a rage filled Tea Bagger) who told me last year that at the gun shop he was at he saw a sign with words “Salesman of the year!” right above the picture of President Obama.
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That is, the election of the president got many gun owners into a full paranoid frenzy of gun buying with false rumors that the president intended to, could get through congress and the supreme court a plan to confiscate all privately owned guns.
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False information and exaggerations fuel the far right like gasoline fuels a fire.
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Making laws to make more purchases more difficult by making the licensing requirements stricter and clearer is one thing I do believe the president would do if he could get it past the yellow bellied blue dogs and the conservative supreme court, but, since he has neither, nothing will change for gun owners.

Killing 70+ innocent people including women and children is nothing to be proud of. But, since it was a democrat, you defend it.

And, although David Koresh was crazy. Being crazy isn’t a crime. But we will never know what happened there because they all died because of an overzealous, paranoid Jack Booted zealot.

I don’t know Rusty or whoever, and I though you all didn’t read his posts.

Your side, (that’s who I am referring to) started this BS. And the Daily Kos is one of the worst. They are over the top extreme, with the Bush is Hitler crap.

On the other hand, Obama, by his own admission, has ties to marxists, terrorists, and has a radical philosophy. He forces his agenda, on us despite majority opposition.

Show me a case where the Patriot Act has been abused and used against an American citizen. You are paranoid beyond belief.

Hey, if you have a problem, then maybe start corralling your peers.
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They are the ones to blame for the image conservatives bear…

again, liberalmeltdown, you looze:
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David Koresh set fire to his own compound, killing those people. In addition, he had sex with children and was, besides holding huge stores of ammo, terrorized the community of Waco.
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The start of the whole thing was touched off by an elderly couple that was held in a compound outbuilding for a week before escaping.
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Choose your heroes more carefully. I might point out that child molesting and gun running are illegal…

liberalmeltdown:
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Let me ask you this, idjit:
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How could I have known about his comment about Obama at the end of paragraph 8, in his diatribe at comment #8, if I did not read it
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How stoopid are you anyway?!?!….

“America has with stood all of the potential attacks against us because of our 2nd Amendment rights”
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(except of course 9/11, and Pearl Harbor, and Little Big Horn)
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“This not only prevents attacks from foreign countries like the real Taliban and Al Qaeda, but also from our own government’s attempt at tyranny upon the people.”
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(what tyranny? are our citizens being starved? sent to labor camps? … really, most Americans still have it better than most of the world, even-or especially- the ones who think they are being screwed.)
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“If anything, liberals want to push gun control laws which take that crucial freedom away from us.”
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(except thats not happening)
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“Impose our rigid values and ideals upon them.”
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(this sounds like a right wing project, actually. liberal by definition is tolerant)
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“More like the leftist represented by Moulatas wants to take away our values and ideals. To remove any form of Christianity from our daily lives. First they attacked our schools, then our Churches, and now our Government.”
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(your values are not the only ones in this country, and not the only ones it was founded on. you’re contradicting yourself.)
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“Soon we shall see even “In God We Trust” removed by the communists hiding behind their “liberal” masks.”
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(hopefully. it has no place on American money.)

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Right-wing or Left-wing populist movements have occurred in this country ever since we declared our independence. It is what separates us from the rest of the world. Once an individual tastes freedom and liberty, they know they will never want to go back to being subjugated by a tyrant. No matter if that tyrant’s name is Barack HUSSEIN Obama.
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(tyrant? again? how? explain instead of just calling names.)
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“Anyone who thinks we have not lost many of our freedoms to date under this current Administration is either blind or stupid. First and foremost our freedom to choose has been under attack by the leftist liberal extremists in this country by enacting a law which requires someone to purchase something they may or may not need in the first place. ”
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(like car insurance- required, like paying into social security, or paying for medicare. should non-drivers pay taxes that pay for roads if they dont use them? You’re missing the key fact that as a society, and a highly functioning one, we have to live together, and taxes that pay for things you dont personally need or want are going to happen. its not tyranny. its called civilization)
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” Our liberties and freedoms have been challenged on a daily basis by all of the reforms, new policies and programs starting off with all of the EPA’s and the Department of Homeland Security to name just two. ”
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(the EPA? oh, because its our contitutional right to poison our neighbors. DHS? Liberals didnt invent that atrocity, conservatives did.)
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“For the simple fact the truth is undisputable.”
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(when it can be found behind all the smoke and mirrors of the conservative media circus of “info-tainment” which is neither informative, nor entertaining)

—thats about all of his stuff i can stomach.

Velma was great. Isn’t it interesting that President Obama takes questions that are not prescreened in a forum open to the press? The Republicans seem to have a problem with that venue.
Also, Velma spoke for many liberals but still supports the President.

You refer to a whole swath of U.S. conservatives as American Taliban. Is that really helpful?
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“The entire liberal media” which was Air America and now non-existent and far smaller than the AM Radio Fox right wing fright wing media “the liberal political machine” which has been totally compromised by third way Democrats “and all of the liberal entities from the NAACP to the Big Labor Unions” with unions smaller and weaker than any time since the 1920s and dwarfed by big business counteracting them “and the George Soros funded attack dogs” who pales in comparison to the Koch brothers, “have attacked the Tea Party movement with” showing Sarah Palin and other Tea Party speakers giving their full, hollow, fact free platitudes with no plans but many lies about our president and his policies but not really stood up to them for the real threat that they are.
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But we don’t see these Americans blowing up statues of the Buddha or riding around in pickup trucks with AK-47s.
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“This not only prevents” the government from stopping attacks from foreign countries like the real Taliban and Al Qaeda purchasing our own guns and shooting them at us but also” creates a threat” against our own government” so that right wing groups with weapons can “attempt at tyranny upon the people.” might be possible.
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What are these goals?
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“Impose our rigid values and ideals upon them. More like the leftist represented by Moulatas wants to” protect “our values and ideals” from right wing revisionist historians and other Tea Party false and misleading rhetoric.
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America has a long history of right-wing populist movements. Is this latest iteration that different from those that preceded it
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Right-wing or Left-wing populist movements have occurred in this country ever since we declared our independence. It is what” makes us the same as “the rest of the” democratic “world.”
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Much of the anger that gets articulated by Tea Partyers has to do with a sense of loss of freedoms. That’s not a racial thing
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“First and foremost our freedom to choose has been” protected “by the.. liberal .. in this country by enacting a law which requires” businesses “to purchase something” for their employees “they.. need” but were hindered by competition from doing until the playing field was made more equal when all business have to pass health care costs onto their clients.
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“Our liberties and freedoms have been” accentuated “on a daily basis by all of the reforms, new policies and programs starting off with all of the EPA’s” preventing polluters from taking away the air that we breathe and the water that we drink and imposing pollution upon citizens neither purchasing nor making a profit from such goods or services polluting our air and water. “People who will tell the truth understand and know what is going on today. We [on the far fringe right] are here to stop you” from telling the truth and filling you with propaganda.
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Aren’t conservatives just simply better at waging these battles?
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“Yes. For the simple fact the truth is” inconvenient and as Goebbels said the big lie, creating a totally false media universe of lies is far more believable to some than truth itself.
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That would be more accurate, Rusty.

I have Kos’s book waiting on my Kindle to be read. I can’t wait.
Kos is helpful in not being afraid to speak directly to the theocrats and oligarchs that threaten our country.
He will not win over those who can’t and wont look at the threat for what it is. I am grateful that he is unafraid to speak the truth.
Murrow spoke the truth. It eventually got him fired but it woke up a lot of Americans. If only Kos had the same kind of forum as a Beck or LImbaugh.

Apr,
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Always a calm voice of reason.
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Thank you.

Thanks Patrick. I have to try to stay calm. Sometimes my anger is aching to get released and then it is not pretty. I love my country and its citizens and want us to be better.

“And, although David Koresh was crazy. Being crazy isn’t a crime.”
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Good thing because 90% of hte liberals here and most of the media would be locked up. Liberalism is a mental disorder, after all.

“Is there a reason you chose such an unattractive picture of Markos?”

Because there is not enough photoshop in the world to fix him. Nor enough Risperdal for him.

And nothing about Ruby Ridge?
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Surprising.

So, one group is composed of pro-violence, warmongering, gun-happy fools who believe that religion should run the government, the repression of gays, women, and minorities is ok, and that crazy foreigners are all out to get them. The other group is islamic. Explain to me again the substantive differences between the two groups.

Rusty:

If you could just bottle the gas output from 8.1, 8.2,8.3. You would put oil companies out of business and cut out the biggest source of hot air for global warming

Bravo, apr. I got lost in the talk of “helpfulness”, still not sure that I understand what the point of that is. The Taliban is not an international terrorist organization, they were the government of Afghanistan until they defied the US and refused to turn over the terrorists in their midst.
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The comparison I see of importance is just what you have pointed out, the place and role of theocrats and oligarchs in our country, and further the importance of separation of church and state. We have a Catholic Supreme Court. Thankfully, all of the Catholics are not of the extreme variety, just as all Muslims are not terrorists. We don’t need theocracy as a basis for our society. Maybe not out of place in Afghanistan. They do have a theocratic structure and society, and that serves as the basis for our, and the historic, failure there by force.
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I see this Taliban reference in relation to church/state separation. Not about the violence of the extremists. I see raising this issue as helpful.

“far more Constitutional issues”

That’s liberal speak for entitlements isn’t?

” If only Kos had the same kind of forum as a Beck or LImbaugh.”

Seriously? If the market had a demand for one more frothing psychotic looney leftist he would have the forum. Ed Schultz and Keith Olbermann among other fight over 50 loon bats who are interested in the extremist left wing crap they try to peddle. One more nut job won’t increase that number to 60.

Some of their leaders have boobs….

Show the videos IQ53. Earn a cool $100,000 from Andrew Breitbart. He still has this offer up on his site. Produce the video or SHUT UP!

Send all your money to Kos so he can get on the airwaves april2563. Give him ALL of your money as a matter of fact.
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Oh that’s right, California stopped allowing people on food stamps to use their food stamp debit cards in casinos. Hmmm, scratch that idea.

Rusty, the issue here is religion, specifically, separation of church and state. I know you well enough that even though you kneel at the alter of the phony religious fanatics such as Beck, the reverend Justices Thomas and Scalia, that you personally don’t care about it. So what is your point now?

“I don’t know Rusty or whoever, and I though you all didn’t read his posts.”

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LOL@liberalmeltdown. It is ok, our little liberal friends squeak, squawk, and ultimately fart from their respective keyboards. Declare those of us who have a differing view of how our Government should be run. But in the end, they are nothing more than a bunch of rubes. Far left liberal extremists just like Kos himself. Clueless wonders of the world.
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When push comes to shove they fold like a deck of cards.
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But hey, they still have their “No Feeding The Trolls Thursdays”. LOL!! Isn’t that right IvyB??
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Nothing but dimwits and dorks.

So reading this thread who come closer to the American Taliban?
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Who excuses or pooh-poohs murder of fellow law abiding citizens?
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Who defends law breakers because said law breakers were going against an administration they didn’t support?
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If there needed to be more evidence of American Taliban and who they are, here it is.
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They hate this country.

Some of their leaders ARE boobs.
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There… fixed it for you, gumonshoe.

On the other hand, Obama, by his own admission, has ties to marxists, terrorists, and has a radical philosophy. He forces his agenda, on us despite majority opposition.
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And you’re calling ME paranoid? Check in the mirror, pal…

He forces his agenda, on us despite majority opposition.

I realize that you like to engage in revisionist history but Obama was elected by a majority of voters though you may have missed it.

Show me a case where the Patriot Act has been abused and used against an American citizen.

Seriously? You never bothered to read about the rampant abuse committed by the government in regards to AT&T and a number of other telecoms? Why am I not surprised.
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See here:
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http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2006/04/70621
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http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-6058346-7.html
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http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2008/06/att-whistleblow/

Alex,
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This is a piece of trash Journalism that I can not believe you would put on this site.
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For anyone to defend this type of garbage means you are a total Idiot.
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Swampland is turning into a propaganda site and its Journalists are becoming insane in the stuff they will post here. TIME is becoming The National Enquirer of the weekly news magazines.
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I will not give the dignity of a comment on any of the comments that in any way support this stupidity.

“”far more Constitutional issues”

That’s liberal speak for entitlements isn’t?”
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No, it’s actual Civil Rights rather than post 2008 revisionist history.
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Brown vs The Board of Education where “activist liberal judges” (as conservatives called them) used the federal government to desegregate schools.
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“The plaintiffs had been recruited by the leadership of the Topeka NAACP. Notable among the Topeka NAACP leaders were the chairman McKinley Burnett; Charles Scott, one of three serving as legal counsel for the chapter; and Lucinda Todd.”
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_v._Board_of_Education#Brown_v._Board_of_Education
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Sorry, you just called the most prominent and successful Civil Rights organization and leftist group – as racists do.
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Don’t tell me, you just burn crosses in your black neighbor’s lawn so that they will have better light to read their bible by.

“Oh that’s right, California stopped allowing people on food stamps to use their food stamp debit cards in casinos. Hmmm, scratch that idea.”
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It is interesting that while your knowledge of everything else on this site is weak, you are an expert on food stamps.
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Your knowledge of Economics: F
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Your knowledge of History: F
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Your knowledge of Geology: F
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Your knowledge of Climatology: F
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Your knowledge of food stamps: A
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At least we all know how you survive when not selling survival seeds online.

“For anyone to defend this type of garbage means you are a total Idiot.”
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All Alex wrote was:
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“Our colleague Ishaan Tharoor has a new Time.com Q&A with Markos Moulitsas about the Daily Kos founder’s new book, “American Taliban: How War, Sex, Sin and Power Bind Jihadists and the Radical Right.”
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Alex didn’t defend anything, but, I am so glad that you are, as you claim, open to all points of view as to not belittle and demonize people who disagree with you. Your mind is as closed as a clam shell.
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“I will not give the dignity of a comment on any of the comments that in any way support this stupidity.”
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Sorry, Mr Magoo, you just did comment.

diecash1, the links you provide don’t say anything about the patriot act being used to spy on an American. Try again.

Like all teabaggers, once Rusty has sunk his teeth into something he just does not let go.

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For more on the latest Tea Party favorite:

“Thursday, Sep 16, 2010 07:01 ET
What the world has learned about Christine O’Donnell”

http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2010/09/16/christine_odonnell_post_primary

Reminds me of so many TV evangelists who preach morality to the rest of us while expecting us to give them a pass on their personal transgressions.

LOL.. God, I thought I’ll never see the day when Rusty puts a Chris Tingles YouTube video !!
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BTW, Rusty, Did you actually see the video till the end? Velma says she is STILL a great supporter of President Obama. Well, how does that fit in with your narrative? LOL.

“He forces his agenda, on us despite majority opposition. ”
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Huh? I thought the righties whole schtick is that the dems are in majority so it’s their fault. Are you now saying that GOP is in majority?
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Do you know how our political system functions? Or are you saying that a majority of people are against Obama? Questions? Bush and GOP had lower numbers for almost 2/3rds of his 2 terms…yet it didn’t stop him from enacting his policies. Maybe you’re confusing mob rule with democratic rule through representation.

Stuart,
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“Treason: Liberal Treachery from the Cold War to the War on Terrorism,” by Ann Coulter”
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When was it that TIME feature this article in Swampland or any other TIME publication?