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Election Road Trip, Day 12: Palin Paling

Iowa GOP Ronald Reagan dinner headlined by Sarah Palin . Photograph by Peter van Agtmael - Magnum for TIME


Des Moines, Iowa

Event: Sarah Palin speaks to the Republican Party

Traveling Companion: Victoria Klein

“What’s the big deal?” Victoria said after we listened to Mama Grizzly. “She sounds like a PTA president.” And it was true. I expected, at the very least, to be entertained by Sarah Palin–she has been known to give a good speech–but last night’s performance was weird and underwhelming, especially given an atmosphere dripping with presidentiality. Iowa. Two years out. A large crowd, itching to be blown away.

But no. There seemed no purpose to Palin’s speech, unless the point was to lacerate members of the media and Republican establishment (like Karl Rove) who have been slagging Palin 2.0 surrogate Christine O’Donnell in Delaware. There was also no fun to it: Palin seemed testy, her delivery rushed. There was also not much of substance. There were constant repeated paeans to patriots (definition: people who agree with her), the military (definition: people who are out there for the right of journalists to lie–really, she said this) and the constitution, about which she seems profoundly ill-informed. She said several times that Republicans were going to provide Constitutional solutions to America’s problems–as if the Obama Administration were providing unconstitutional remedies. (It’s not enough to merely disagree with the President; you have to make him sound unAmerican in Palin’s twisted little world.)

There was also a brief, hilariously simplistic section on foreign policy, provided, no doubt, by her neoconservative puppeteers. “There’s a distinct pattern here–reaching out to our enemies, slighting our friends,” she said, attempting to sound ominous, a quality that eludes her flat, chirpy voice. Obama had sent a letter to the Supreme Leader of Iran (no mention of the crippling sanctions he had also sent). Imagine that! And he had opposed the Israelis on a “housing” question (the question of whether Israelis should be “housed” on internationally-recognized Palestinian territory). He opposed the surge which had brought “victory”  to Iraq, even as “we are surging troops into Afghanistan.” Wait a minute–is he a pacifist or a warmonger?

Her delivery was strange: rushed sentences, choppy intonations. There was no narrative arc or momentum to the speech, just a series of observations that assumed a knowledge of the world as presented by Fox News. It was, much to my surprise, very inside baseball, with all the whining about how the press had been behaving lately (since I’ve been on the road and not glued to a TV, I had to have some of the references explained to me).

She didn’t exactly lose the audience; she disappointed it–there were few roars, there was a perfunctory standing ovation at the end. And I must say: if she actually is intending to run for President, this sort of fluff isn’t going to cut it in Iowa. In Iowa, people have become accustomed to real political meat and potatoes, real policy talk, real proposals. In Iowa, a politician has to stay on the ground, patiently, for months, answering specific questions. In Iowa, a politician has to have a first, second and third act. In Iowa, you can’t do what Tea Party candidates are doing across the country this year–hiding from the voters, hiding from the press.

Victoria is not a political person, but she knows a good speech when she hears one: “You compare her to Hillary Clinton–Hillary knows stuff. And Bill Clinton, you can’t even begin to compare it. Are you telling me that this is all there is to Sarah Palin? Do you actually take her seriously?”

Yes, but not as seriously as I took her before she spoke.

I am going to take a break from blogging for a day or so. It’s Yom Kippur–Ramadan packed into a single day–and I’m going to spend the day wandering through the midwest with my wife, before sending her home on Sunday. We may go down to Kansas state fair; we may head straight to Boulder, Colorado, to visit friends. Along the way, I’ll not atone for my sins–as a Jew, I spend far too much time feeling guilty–but I will continue to think about all that I’ve seen on this trip, now at the halfway point. I suspect that the most profound way to be religious is to learn and serve; flagrant public praying is optional at best.

Victoria clarifies: “I didn’t mean the PTA comment to be critical of PTA presidents, whose work I revere. They’re doing the Lord’s work.” (JK appends: but it was an accurate assessment of their oratorical style, if not the largely unappreciated social capital they add to a community.)

This post is part of my Election Road Trip 2010 project. To track my location across the country, and read all my road trip posts, click here.

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  • allthingsinaname

    “There was also not much of substance.”
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    Were you expecting some?

  • 3xfire3

    Just another “I Hate Palin” column from Joe the self appointed Elitist.
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    Joe you are way too predictable.
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    Republicans = Bad. Democrats = Good.
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    You are such a deep thinker. About as deep as the creek that runs next to my house.

  • Ike Jakson

    Joe

    You are amazing.

    If Palin is as little and of no consequence as you deem her to be every time you mention her, why give her the publicity that you do?

    Has it occurred to you that she may become more well-known the more you mention her?

    But your reference to both the Clinton’s I find remarkable. Surely you are not implying that Miss Sarah will face anyone of them IF she decides to run for the White House, or are you?

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    A desparate attempt by Joe Clown to gin up interest in his freakin’ roadtrip. When all else fails play the Palin card. That’ll get the swampers’ putrid juices flowing.

  • Ike Jakson

    I only have a shallow ditch running at the back of my place but I DITTO 3xfire3

  • blossom38

    Comments are getting way too predictable here. It’s as if the above wait desperately for their in-box to notify them there’s a new entry from Swampland and WHAM! they rush to be the first entrant with the first put-down, first assumption, first cliche. (I must admit, however, to profound surprise that there is no Rusty entry yet.) Do you read the column a few times to absorb what it says, or do you just react/
    Klein is a columnist, a political observer. Over the years he has made no secret of his political affiliation. Time is his employer; Klein’s job is to watch, listen, analyze, report back. If you want to hear praise for your “team,” then hang on every report from Red State or SarahPAC; you’re not going to get it from this columnist.
    By the way, since Klein has been a political observer of the Clintons for years, he most likely uses them as a good point of reference when it comes to analyzing political speeches~both on substance and on style. Nothing wrong with that; no sub-plot or back story there.
    Since Klein is a professional journalist and columnist l who has observed political speeches for many years, if he finds that the speaker has done a poor job of speaking, that’s his job to report such. I was a speech teacher. There were students I dearly loved and admired. But if they gave a poor speech, I had to grade them accordingly. Klein states objectively that he found the speech to be poorly delivered and shallow in its context.
    It’s all good if you love your candidate and think she’s the next best solution for the country. However, can you not admit she may have some flaws, or does commenting on them make one un-American? It’s going to be a long two years unless some amateur observers don’t begin to grow up.

  • michaelfury

    “A true revolution of values will lay hand on the world order and say of war, “This way of settling differences is not just.” This business of burning human beings with napalm, of filling our nation’s homes with orphans and widows, of injecting poisonous drugs of hate into the veins of peoples normally humane, of sending men home from dark and bloody battlefields physically handicapped and psychologically deranged, cannot be reconciled with wisdom, justice, and love. A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual death.”

    - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., April 4, 1967

    http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2010/08/30/wish-you-were-here/

  • shepherdwong

    …she has been known to give a good speech…
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    Who told you that?

  • joekleinisatool

    Joe,

    you and your wife seem to me like a couple of real a**holes. Why would you think for even a moment that your wife would “get it”? That poor woman has had her mind closed since the moment she decided to marry you, so is it any wonder that most things now escape her minimal level of understanding? In addition, the two of you need to remind yourselves that you are leftist jews from manhattan. Sarah Palin is an alien to you. You live in a cloistered world on the upper west side. You are part of a culture that is most biased, racist, and prejudicial in the world. The only time you two miscreants make contact with anyone other than other leftists is when the door is being opened, or the trash removed, or the dry cleaning delivered, or the food being cleared, or a police or fire call being answered. For heaven’s sake, normal people are not even permitted to stand outside the doors of your high rise buildings much less able to knock on your actual door and solicit petitions or sell girl scout cookies. I’m afraid Joe that you and your miserable wife are outsiders. The crowd in Iowa at the Palin rally understands who they are. You and your wife are the liars (you’re leftists…you have to lie). I hope I see you at a rally one day. I’ll have to get very close because I know you’re about…what, 3 feet tall? But I’m going to come up to you and get in your face and chase you and your wife out of whatever hall we’re in, just as you might have some of the secuirty people at your doorman building chase me out of an even that you and your lefty buddies were having.

  • GivenUp

    Huh??

  • formerlyjames

    Just 2 observations. You forgot to say his mama wears combat boots. Remember that one?
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    Second, you say nothing to explain how his comments about Palin’s speech are off mark. In other words, you say nothing of substance, which I guess would be expected of one who sees substance where it doesn’t exist, al la Palin.

  • kevin

    Has it occurred to you that she may become more well-known the more you mention her?
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    To paraphrase Slick Willie, I think it depends on what your definition of “well-known” is.
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    Palin is already incredibly “well-known” in the sense of name recognition. She’s a master at shallow PR, moreso than any politician in the modern era — look at the way she can make the media dance and jump at her every Twitter or Facebook update, even as she refuses to be interviewed by them and mocks them as the “lamestream media.”
    .
    Now, while most Americans know of her, what she specifically stands for is not, as Joe points out, “well known.” She speaks in empty platitudes, never going deeper than a mixture of bumper sticker sloganeering and fortune cookie feel-good BS. This is certainly appealing to a handful of dimwits, but she’s going to have to do better than that to make headway in the primaries.
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    Iowa voters will demand answers, and so will their local press, which is so much more intelligent than much of what we see on the national stage. And, if they’re serious about wanting the job themselves, her Republican rivals will demand answers too.
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    She has a steep uphill climb ahead of her, no matter how much her slobbering fanboys love her and no matter how much liberals like me are praying she gets the GOP nomination.
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    Her favorability ratings in the last few polls are still between low 20s and high 30s, with unfavorable ratings in the low 50s.
    http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/fav-palin.php
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    Despite all the media attention, people just don’t like her. Even many of the ones who do like her personally don’t think she should ever be near the Oval Office. 71% of Americans — and 52% of Republicans — think she’s unqualified to be president.
    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2010/02/11/2010-02-11_poll_reads_palins_palm_no_chance_in_2012_71_of_americans_dont_think_shes_qualifi.html
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    I have to think her inability to answer any questions of substance is key to that extremely high number. So she’s in a Catch 22, where she’ll have to answer questions, but given her track record, she seems unlikely to do better once she opens her mouth. As her slender grasp of the issues becomes as well-known as her publicity-hungry face is well-known, she’s going to tank even more.

  • ohiolibb

    Rusty, is that you??

  • kevin

    For heaven’s sake, normal people are not even permitted to stand outside the doors of your high rise buildings much less able to knock on your actual door and solicit petitions or sell girl scout cookies.
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    It’s a good thing there is absolutely nothing like that out in Real Murica. I mean, imagine if the suburbs were filled with “gated communities” that had rules-heavy “homeowners associations” that forbid things like petitions and Girl Scout solicitations.
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    Thank God that would never ever never ever happen out in Real Murica, right?

  • okslim

    Joe seems to be on the Dems payroll.
    Not very much (yawn) content in this article.

  • GivenUp

    I got about halfway through deciphering that rant and then thought, “why do I bother.”

    The wingnuts are slowly making satire irrelevant.

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    Liar. You know you read the whole thing.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Well, he got you to post, didn’t he?
    .
    It looks like these trick of writing the words “Sarah Palin” work on conservatives like the pied piper.

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    speaking of predictable….

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Republicans = Bad. Democrats = Good.”
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    3X,
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    You do know that, outside of repeating your resume (but without your name to verify it) since I first started posting in March everything you have said can boil down to
    Democrats= Bad. Republicans = Good.
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    You haven’t even either been critical of one Republican or praised a Blue Dog (DINO – if we used that term) Democrat.
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    By contrast, you have seen me, among many others, say that we disagree with Obama (even if often – not always – from the left) and found Clinton too Third Way split the baby.
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    You have not said that you saw the speech or read the speech.
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    If there was a speech Obama or any other Democrat made which I neither saw nor saw the text of, I could not defend or condemn it. I’d be the first one to tell you that there were a few of Joe Biden’s speeches were classic – for late night comics.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    ” The only time you two miscreants make contact with anyone other than other leftists is when the door is being opened, or the trash removed, or the dry cleaning delivered, or the food being cleared, or a police or fire call being answered.”
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    Doorman’s union, starting pay $17 per hour – Liberal Democrats, doormen are Democratic votes in the bank.
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    Sanitation workers union – Liberal Democrats. New York’s strongest are Democratic votes in the bank.
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    “dry cleaning” usually done by immigrants, some of who are naturalized citizens and some of whom are Muslims chased out of the Republican Party by the radical anti-immigration movement and the anti-Islamic factions.
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    ” ..the food being cleared,..” also immigrants including Muslims.
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    “…police or fire call being answered…” – those groups do have more Republicans than Democrats, but usually commute from the suburbs.
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    It amuses me that you like to present liberals at the elitists.
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    It, also, amuses most of us that you call Kein so liberal.
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    BTW: do you want to go tit for tat with anybody here about your wife, or do you think that this should stick to how incredibly bad you are at doing anything besides launching dumb insults?

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    ” (I must admit, however, to profound surprise that there is no Rusty entry yet.)”
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    Count your blessings.
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    It’s like pregnant women are pleasantly surprised if they don’t have morning sickness that day.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    3X,
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    Since it is obvious to everybody that, presuming you are not exaggerating at all about your resume that your success in business has nothing to do with having better insights into government, please do us all this favor.
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    Even if yellow bellied blue dog Democrats, please name three Democrats since – say – 1995 who have held a seat in the house or the Senate you like.
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    Also, please name three Republicans, since 1995 who you believe were an insult to your party and/or your philosophy to prove to us all that you are not just all about Democrats= Bad. Republicans = Good.
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    Keep in mind that the German business community – including many CEOs – supported Hitler among many other times when the votes of CEOs were not in sync with either the majority of the people or (as in the Nazi case) in sync with what was morally right.

  • textee

    I’ll seek the wisdom of some moron named “Victoria Klein” on the same day that I seek the self-described “wisdom” of an imbecile named Joe Klein, to wit: never.

  • kbanginmotown

    Joe: The kittens! Think of the kittens!

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Textee,
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    Remember to take all of the medication your psychiatrist prescribes for you.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    It’s worth remebering that Sarah Palin doesn’t actually represent the Republican party but she is doing a very good job of representing what’s gone wrong with the Republican party.

    I’ll just simply note that her fans here seem to be unable to recognize the distiction.

  • http://zanedavid.wordpress.com zanedavid

    Having read all the posts – I must say I’ve not laughed this much in a long time. You guys are a hoot.

  • http://zanedavid.wordpress.com zanedavid

    By the way – who is Rusty.?

  • powerpoultry

    Sad-sack Joe Klein, with more of the same old lazy, latte-spilling, lugubrious Journolister lamentations about mean girl Sarah Palin. Get a real job.

  • http://daveuk.wordpress.com daveuk

    I think that Palin may actually be playing a different game than normal- and run as third party, or “tea party” candidate.

    If she runs in the republican race she will be exposed to repeated challenges to her position, and the RNC will be doing everything possible to stop her. As the frontrunner all the others will be out to get her.

    Imagine instead whilst the republican candidates are going through their contest, she is already running a presidential campaign across the country. Given she is alread personally wealthy, and will be more so at the time, together with the donations of various tea party groups she will be able to get funding.

    Then imagine a three way competion with Obama, Palin and a republican candidate. Palin will get the “base”- worth at least 20 percent, thus polling well in advance of the Republican nominee and the pressure then comes to compromise around the “conservative” Palin. Added to this she has the likely backing of Beck and Fox news, meaning she needs less for advertising.

    So my bet- don’t expect her to go anywhere near a traditional republican nomination fight.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    NewFreedomBlog sometime more than a year ago had two different handles until somebody figured out (and he admitted) that he was one in the same person as “Rusty Returns”.
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    I’ve only been around since March.
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    Many people, including ,me, suspect that Freeinpa is a second handle for Rusty/Newfreedomblog.

  • apr2563

    Palin has been making the same speech for years. She will on occasion spice it up with more xenophobia or theocratic mumbo jumbo or perhaps a little victimhood, but it is basically the same rhetoric. No solutions, no deep insight on policy, just red meat for her cult followers.
    Watch a Sunday TV evangelist sometime. There message is always the same and it riles up their followers.

  • Paul-no not that one

    WGAS WGAF

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    But Apr, how could you say that!
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    She made it clear in that moving speech where she described mama bears all marching through Washington with pink elephants all standing at attention because mama bears know when the president is lying.
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    I mean, with speeches like that, it’s so clear what she wants to do if she gets to become president. She wants to put LSD in the water supply so that everybody will see mama grizzlies and pink elephants and not even notice that big business just bought the federal government to be it’s puppet.
    . :)

  • apr2563

    Paul, unfortunately the traditional media seems to GAF and acts surprised at the shallowness of her rhetoric.

  • allthingsinaname

    “Many people, including ,me, suspect that Freeinpa is a second handle for Rusty/Newfreedomblog.”
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    I never thought of that. So when Newfreedom says something and free jumps in with the high fives it’s like masturbating?
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    What is the TEA Party coming too?

  • 3xfire3

    Good Point.

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    Poor old aper, same old mumbo jumbo, same old basic rhetoric. No solution, no deep insight. Just curious though, what would an atheist know about a sunday tv evangelist? Probably just about as much as she knows about Sarah Palin, and tea parties, and conservative values, Jack sh!t. Hey Fatsy Patsy why don’t you share some of your vast wiki-knowledge with her? Like you she has no life, maybe you and her could get your own little Harold and Maude thing going. Maybe save the world from all the evil right wingers….

  • kbanginmotown

    Hey zane,
    .
    Welcome to Swampland! Glad to see you’re engaging. As our spiritual leader, the right hon. sacredh recently posted:

    Come and join us! You don’t have to worry about us singling you out and being mean. We’re mean to everyone. You can’t be any more messed up than we are.

    Cheers!

  • apr2563

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/17/human-mattress-dominoes-b_n_720983.html?ir=Media
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    O/T
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    Human dominoes. Silliness like this gives me hope for humanity.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Look up “New Freedom” on a search engine.
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    New Freedom, Pa comes up on the list.
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    I found it hard to believe that two people with the same level and type of insanity would come to this blog.
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    ” So when Newfreedom says something and free jumps in with the high fives it’s like masturbating?”
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    I think that there is a man known as Rusty in New Freedom Pa giving himself high fives and masturbating.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “…what would an atheist know about a sunday tv evangelist?”
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    Several times Apr has explained that she is a Christian, but has not found a church she likes.
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    That is not an atheist.
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    I am an atheist. If I wanted a church I would go back to the Catholic Church, but, I don’t believe there is any god.
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    Hey, two third, I heard Pat Benitar is having a real comeback right now. Maybe if you hurry, you can afford to pay your landlord this month.

  • kbanginmotown

    Rusty’s original handle was “RustyDog” when Swampland started in ’06. After the “Great Server Crash of ’07″, WordPress would not allow many users to log in with their existing account names.
    .
    RustyDog became RustyReturns
    OregonJC -> jcapan
    NeoRationalist -> Exiled_at_Home(Formerly Neo)
    DemWoman -> PirateWench
    P_Luk -> plukasiak
    others…?
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    The “somebody” who outed newfreedom/Rusty was the lovely deconstructiva.

  • apr2563

    http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/09/mike-pence-sweeps-straw-poll-voting-at-values-voter-summit.php?ref=fpblg\
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    Value Voter Summitt speaks. Sarah doesn’t win either President of VP straw poll. Their hero is Mike Pence. The number one issue is abortion.
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    The theocrats are in charge Republicans.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Two thirds brain, I know “conservative values”.
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    Almost all of the older generation of my family was Republican. Everybody born by 1955 in my family have been Democrats.
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    The town I grew up in had not had a Democratic first selectman (the equivalent of mayor) for a fifty year stretch.
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    Conservative social values: lie to pro-lifers and claim that voting for you will lead to legislation ending or discouraging abortions. Promise that you will force prayer in school despite the fact that it was banned in the mid 1950s and could never happen. Have sex with prostitutes or with gay men in public bathrooms and, when caught stay on because you say God has forgiven you.
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    Conservative economic values: 1) Try take away the tiny, miserably small amount that people too ill to work get through welfare. Make paperwork too complex and the process too hard for the mentally ill so that they will, instead, sleep on the streets. 2) Keep the taxes the same or higher for the vast majority of the people and cut taxes for the top 2% as low as possible. 3) Castrate government agencies designed to prevent workplace injuries, environmental disasters, wall street fraud, the formation of monopolies and watch the country crumble. 4) Give as much money as you can to military contractors. 5) blame Democrats for debt.
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    Did I miss anything, like mama bear and pink elephants?

  • kbanginmotown

    patrick:
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    I wish you’d been around to witness QH, a.k.a. QuestionHillary.
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    QH was like Rusty/freep on steroids throughout most of ’07 when it seemed like HRC had a lock on the Dem nomination for POTUS.
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    Lots of full-page, un-sourced, high-pitched, CAPS LOCKED, mis-spled, hyper-bolic rants which all ended with the tag line: “Oh Well, HILLARY HAPPENS!!!1!!”
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    Pure comedy gold.
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    Alas, when it became apparent that Obama was going to win the nomination, QH became more and more silent….
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    I imagine QH sitting at home right now, crying into his JD, barn full of Hillary Clinton Nutcrackers in his backyard….

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    Pat benitar rocks. Playing 2 of her songs doesn’t exactly make us a tribute band. With a nice young hottie behind the mic who sounds just like her it’s kind of a no brainer to play some pat and the chicks just love it. Dammit fatsy get a life!

  • apr2563

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    http://abcnews.go.com/News/christine-odonnell-dabbled-witchcraft/story?id=11671277
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    Christine O’Donnell admits dabbling in witchcraft.
    Here is the reaction of the Value Voters crowd.
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    .

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    Fatsy, values of any kind are obviously quite foreign to you.

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    Huffpo. Boy that’s something to draw strength and hope from. How sad and pathetic.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    2007…. yes, back in those days we had something called a functioning economy.
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    I had work to do and didn’t have a chance to come online.
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    When it comes to wingnut trolls, I am very ambivalent. On the one hand it is like when you’re in college after class you are discussing things with friends in the cafeteria and, somehow, a drunk townie who dropped out of the sixth grade comes in and ruins things. On the other hand, it reminds of the school playground but with no teachers and principals around so that I can make the bully wanabes go home crying.

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    Eureka! I’ve got it! Aper and fatsy are one and the same. You’ve been outed!

  • rdorrett

    And people actually take this vapid bimbo seriously!!!!!!? No wonder this country’s ‘going down the tubs’.

  • rdorrett

    Didn’t you mean to say “vapid bimbo…”?

  • rdorrett

    You are absolutely correct. All this BS is pointless and meaningless. People should get a life.

    Politics is FUBAR.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Hey, two thirds, if you tell us that you do Pat Benitar covers as the bassist (the band member famous for being the last one to get laid) and who can’t afford to help his son go to college and make personal attacks on other people, expect some attacks on you.
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    What does a professional bass player say when he answers the phone?
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    “Thank you for calling Pizza Hut, how may I help you?’
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    What’s the difference between a bass player and a large pizza?
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    I large pizza can feed a family of four.
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    Have fun playing your guit-tar

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    good Lord another Inesteen heard from!

  • rdorrett

    No, humanity is toast. It’s only a matter of time before the die-off.

  • sparkysacramento

    Palin, with the planner and architect of the contract with America religiosity Newt have essentionally told Republicans: “We’ve just taken over the Republican Party. Now y’all just sit down and shut up. We’ve got the reins now.”

    While GOP was obstructing, saying no, doing nothing to help this nation, and playing games by trying to make the Obama-Biden Administration fail, they were soundly taken over by the loonie right.

    The once dignified and honorable Republican Party is no more and what is left is impotent and lacking all say in this nation…unless you sign the teaparty loons contract.

    Sorry there Republicans, but Palin and Newt pretty much have you by the short hairs and you either squeal and follow or slither under a rock. You did it to yourselves. Say hi to your mother, Fox News.

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    I will. And you have fun playing yer skinflute. God what a loser.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “..values of any kind are obviously quite foreign to you.”
    .
    No, I have very strong personal values, but, I know a con game when I see one and the Tea Party is the biggest con the wealthiest and most powerful ever played on America.

    .
    I guess your “values” is about not earning enough to support a family but trying your chances with women half your age after a concert.
    .
    I thought Democrats were the ones who sleep with too many women.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Oooooooooooooooooooooooh he said “loser”.
    .
    Ooooooooooooooooooooh I’m telling!
    .
    Ooooooooooooooooooooooh I’m telling!
    .
    BTW: I accused Rust/Freakinpa of masturbating. Please at least come up with your own insults.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Huffpo. Boy that’s something to draw strength and hope from. How sad and pathetic.”
    .
    Now, playing the bass line from Rush’s Tom Sawyer over and over again that’s a way to draw hope and strength!

  • apr2563

    Third Rock try smiling.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Aper and fatsy are one and the same. You’ve been outed!”
    .
    That’s the best you can do?
    .
    Weak.
    .
    At least you aren’t trying to make your career in comedy.

  • acameronw

    I’m not going to comment on the substance of Ms. Palin’s address to Iowa Republicans since I haven’t seen a transcript. But I will say that Mr. Klein’s post touched on one thing with which I am in full agreement: her delivery of a speech is both grating and unconvincing. There’s a sing song quality to it the is annoying and distracting, and she has no clue as to providing a rhythm that builds to a satisfying climax. (I just read that last sentence and I swear I intended no innuendo or psychological projection. I mean: ugh.) It’s an important skill she just doesn’t have and is apparently uninterested in learning. I never agreed with much of what I heard Ronald Reagen say but in his heyday his speechifying skills were impressive. Ms. Palin make me want to change the channel and pretty damn quick. And her extemporaneous remarks marry the same negative qualities with narrative incoherence. If she decides to run for president it’s going to be a very long couple of years.

  • apr2563

    Sorry Patrick I am an atheist but I don’t prostelyze my philosophy. I spent many years raised in a devoutly Catholic family.
    2thirds seems under the impression that unless you are religious you wouldn’t know about the scam artist TV Evangelists.
    I have much respect for Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, etc, but none for Christianists.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Please don’t tell me you were trying to say “Albert Einstein” but couldn’t figure out how to use a spell checker.
    .
    If you were, I’d feel bad for you. Damn, if that was your best shot I’d feel so bad for you that I’d send you tips on how to insult via email so that you won’t embarrass yourself.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    I misunderstood you at one point.
    .
    When Salmon Rushdie was asked why all of his characters in The Satanic Verses were based upon religious characters even though he was an atheist, he commented, because atheists are obsessed with religion.
    .
    I don’t know about “obsessed” but, realizing that you are an atheist, if anything, makes you more, not less, curious about religion – at least in my experience (and, apparently, Rushdie’s too).

  • Art Pepper

    I wish you’d been around to witness QH, a.k.a. QuestionHillary.

    OK, I’ve officially been handing around Swampland for too long!

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  • jgsr

    Joe,
    Sarah Palin could not care less if you disapprove of her or anything she says.
    If she were to say something that you agreed with, it would be a mistake on her part.
    There is something that you, and too many other
    liberals do that I find so offensive……and it is not to hold values that I consider to be almost 180 degrees opposite of mine.
    I do not fault you in the least for what your values and priorities are.
    It is the compromises reached from the arguments between Conservatives and Liberals that have created the best legislation for America
    Argument is good for America, and argument requires at least two different opinions.
    To verbally attack others in a personally demeaning tilt that have accomplished far more than you, rather than stating any of your numerous objections toward another person’s political stance, is inexcusable and it’ more demeaning to you than the object of your disrespectful criticism.
    Joe, you are a writer……and occasionally good at what you do. It is what you do not do, that is reprehensible and inexcusable.
    Sarah has been Governor of one of our states one more time than you have been Governor…..and you never will be a Governor.
    Nor will you ever be a Vice Presidential candidate.
    There are only 50 States.
    There have only been 88 Vice Presidential candidates.
    How many writers have there been Joe?
    How many people have written comments/editorials for magazines and all other types of media and publications since 1790.
    24 hours after your funeral, nobody but a very few of your relatives will ever remember your name.
    You’ve accomplished what in your life Joe?
    What do you make…..you make words…….what a rare, unique talent.
    How many millions of people around the world have done and will do what your JOB is Joe?
    However many employers you have had in your life is how many other humans that have “elected” you for anything. How many people would that be Joe….5,6 maybe 7 people have “voted” you into your position.
    Whatever any of our Governors have done in just a single day while holding their elected office is more valuable to history and a thousand times more respect-worthy than whatever you “accomplish” OVER YOUR ENTIRE LIFE.
    Let me guess….you are going to declare that you could get elected Governor, or be picked for a Vice Presidency IF YOU WANTED TO BE.
    Sure you could Joe…of course you could.
    You have accomplished so much haven’t you Champ.

  • http://erieangel.wordpress.com erieangel

    The problem lies in the fact in the fact that sister Sarah doesn’t argue in any way designed to come to compromise or solution. She is quick to point out all the flaws of the Obama administration, but offers not a single solution. She, like too many others in the party of NO, have no new ideas and their old ideas had been rejected in Nov. ’08. If America wanted those old ideas, McCain would have won the election.

  • http://pfbraun.wordpress.com pfbraun

    This is a typical left wing hatchet job. Criticize Palin’s delivery! Criticize some of the comments. never mind the import of the speech. It’s typical. the writer is trying to marginalize Palin. I don’t like everything she says either but she has been battling the media ever since her announcement as as VP candidate. Bad reporting! Bad intention!!!

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “.. it is not to hold values that I consider to be almost 180 degrees opposite of mine.”
    .
    One thing I have so often noticed is that is seems that an overwhelming majority of the hardcore conservatives who post here get nearly all of their information from conservative news sources who, in order to promote their own POV go out of their way to make claims that they know every single thought that goes through every single person’s head who claims to be liberal, progressive or anywhere less conservative than they are as if Democrats/liberals/progressive/moderates (non-conservative Republicans) are clones or multiple copies of the same picture copied over and over while Liberals and, more so, members of the Democratic Party are rarely anywhere near as in unison on message, on topic or a part of a big plan as the conservative wing of the Republican Party.
    .
    Here are my public values (my personal values are remarkably similar to that of most religious people even though I am not religious and, probably, stricter than your own – but that is off topic).
    .
    1) Equality of opportunity. This means that every single person born or legally migrated into the United States will have a high quality of education, health care, opportunities for higher education, access to the workplace (even if they are physically disabled but qualified for non-physical work).
    .
    2) Fair business practices such that large businesses do not use undue influence to create monopoly-like situations when market conditions do not require such.
    .
    3) The right to organize workers into collective bargaining such that those who are not qualified or otherwise able to advance in their education can negotiate for higher wages and better working conditions and to be able to gain the experience to become that valuable to companies to be able to earn such wages through long term employment. This enables these people to support families even without formal education.
    .
    4) To use government to protect other businesses and individuals from the ill effects of pollution of water or air which cross property lines and can make individuals not producing nor consuming such goods ill, prematurely die or, unable to operate their businesses due to the changes in weather conditions (droughts destroying crops, floods, hurricanes, tornadoes destroying homes and businesses) in the most business friendly way while still preventing disaster and tragedy.
    .
    5) Equal protection under the law. This means maintaining laws against discrimination of all kinds such that all qualified individuals will be able to live, work, shop and travel to any place they choose without harassment or other impediments.
    .
    6) Using our academic knowledge, not our favorite wishes, to choose how to react to both economic and climate issues.
    .
    7) Being a peaceful part of the world community and making use of both diplomatic and international resources such as the United Nations to resolve disputes with other countries and to never, ever, engage in a war of aggression also called a preemptive war such as we had in Iraq.
    .
    8) To have a progressive tax system such that those who can least afford it pay the least while those who can most afford it pay the most so as not to interfere with people gaining above the minimum levels to get by.
    .
    9) Separation of church and state such that no religion, group of religions have a government created advantage over other faiths or no belief at all nor the imposition of exclusively religious principals on the general public such a required protestant prayer in public schools, no religious, no bans on gay marriage and no government funds sent for the purposes of evangelizing or encouraging one faith or creed over another one.
    .
    I did not think of this when I was younger and before their movement was large, but, since sexual orientation is something from birth just as physical characteristics, not granting homosexuals at least civil unions would be a denial of civil rights. (Think about how impossible it would be for anybody to convert or coerce you into finding men attractive – presuming you are a man – and it is obvious that, just as we have no choice but to find women sexy and impossible to find one another sexy, they can not alter their orientation and are characteristically different.)
    .
    So, how many of those – one liberal’s public values – are you so highly offended by?
    .
    I am sure that most self defined liberals or progressives will agree with most of these if not all and few are likely to agree with the order I picked since we are a heterogeneous group.
    .
    How sure are you that you are so offended by liberal values?
    .
    Also, when Joe writes of Palin’s content, it is when Palin or anybody else making a speech, cites specific plans, specific solutions to problems. Palin is far from specific in any plans whatsoever in all of her speeches and, even when she has a specific objection, she does not propose an alternative, just an objection, such as Health Care Reform. What would she do instead? Unknown since she is son non-specific.
    .
    For speaking styles, that is somewhat, but not totally subjective. Joe said that the audience, like him, were unimpressed with her delivery and that he believed that she usually had a better delivery.
    .
    JGSR, think it over if you want to be a part of an intelligent discussion.
    .
    If you just want to heckle, I am great at hurling some hardcore nasty insults if that is what you want.

  • fhmadvocat

    What makes anyone thing Sarah Palin is presidential material? This is a woman who quit her job as Governor to make gobs of money. This makes her “smart” as far as marketing herself, but, trust me, she would never make it out of the Republican primary unwounded.
    In a way, Sarah Palin is a very smart woman. While she is abitious, she knows her limitations. She would rather be a kingmaker, rather than be the Queen. I think it is so funny how she and Carl Rove are fighting. It is the Brain versus Caribou Barbie! I also find it so facinating that someone who studied jounalism af 4 or 5 different colleges and universities seems so critical of the media!!

  • swissArmyBrainBETA

    look up Thomas Frank’s “From Televangelism to the Tea Party”. brilliant essay

  • 3xfire3

    Apr,
    .
    You found another republican women to hate. That must have made your day.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “…never mind the import of the speech…”
    .
    Ok.
    .
    Nobody here has a link to a video of the speech nor the text.
    .
    I haven’t looked it up myself since, to say the least, I was very unimpressed with Palin.
    .
    So, google the text. Copy and paste here the part of the speech which you believe will impress one and all and add on a link.
    .
    I am open minded. Prove me wrong! Prove me totally and completely wrong.
    .
    If you send exclusively the text, her, apparently, poor delivery will not have an impact on us.
    .
    Here is what is not very useful nor interesting: Palin supporters saying over and over again that Palin is wonderful, but, the media – not Palin’s words – are what make her look bad and the media has this anti-Palin, liberal, blah, blah, blah, bias, unfairness, etc, etc.
    .
    Remember what her critics have said: Palin is cheering on how great our country is (and if it weren’t great we would be living in another country so I call that preaching to the choir) and what one should not do in government instead of thou shalt. “Instead of [the stimulus package we had, his planned immigration reform, fill in the blank] our government should….”.
    .
    Find that and you might convince somebody of your POV.

  • 53_3

    I say to Sarah Palin:
    .
    Full speed ahead and damn the torpedoes!
    .
    Oooooffff…
    .
    Damn! That hurt…

  • 53_3

    “To verbally attack others in a personally demeaning tilt that have accomplished far more than you, rather than stating any of your numerous objections toward another person’s political stance, is inexcusable and it’ more demeaning to you than the object of your disrespectful criticism.”
    .
    Let me guess:
    .
    I am 100%, totally, without exception, and with “the sky is blue and the sun is yellow” sure that you have never, ever, ever indulged in the same conduct in re President Obama.
    .
    Right?

  • apr2563

    3x, I have tried to explain to you I don’t hate. Please address content and avoid my character.

  • apr2563

    53_3: Can you picture a Republican Presidential debate between Palin, Huckabee, Boggs, Gingrich, and Romney. It would be a race to the intellectual bottom, mixed with fear, and Romney leaping from side to side.

  • liberalmeltdown

    “What’s the bid deal.”? I ask myself that everyday that Barry Obama takes over my TV and says nothing worth listening to, and nothing worth broadcasting. But, he still does it over and over and the MSM still stops dead in its tracks and gives him face time.

  • kevin

    As Patrick said, if you’re a conservative who gets all of his “information” about what liberals believes from Fox News, Rush Limbaugh and the rest … you don’t know a thing about liberals. All you know is what the conservative propaganda machine wants you to know.
    .
    I’m a liberal, but I go to read what conservatives have to say for themselves — I read true believers like NRO’s The Corner and Red State, I read party apparatchiks at Weekly Standard, and then I try to find sane conservatives at Frum Forum and Daniel Larison’s blog.
    .
    You want to know what liberals believe? Go read Washington Monthly, TPM, Kevin Drum, etc. You’ll find that we’re a little different than the one-dimensional cartoons that Glenn Beck so bravely battles on TV.

  • kevin

    I know, I know … it’s almost like he’s the elected leader of the free world whose policies affect us all, and not some half-term governor who quit her job to send out illegible Twitter updates.

  • kevin

    never mind the import of the speech.
    .
    Do tell. What’s the import of the speech?
    .
    Joe listened to it all. Did you? Did you hear any of it?

  • 3xfire3

    sparky,
    .
    Boy are you one mixed-up, misinformed, over the top Loon.
    .
    Everything you have said about Republicans actually applies to the extreme LW take over of the once great Democratic Party. The party of my parents and grandparents. They would roll over in their graves if the say what you LW Radicals have done to their once honorable party.
    .
    Your knowledge and understanding of the Republican Party is zero. Like the rest of the loons on the Left you also don’t understand the American public.
    .
    Our citizens were fooled in the last election but are smart enough to correct it in November. Liberals will be sent back to the desert for another 40 years. Maybe by then you will be smart enough to understand our great country and its citizens.

  • 3xfire3

    jgsr,
    .
    Pay no attention to the loons who replied to your very thoughtful post. They are all over the top Extreme Liberals.
    .
    As you truthfully said our country benefits when both parties work together and come up with better solutions then one party does on their own.
    .
    Almost all Liberals on Swampland are Partisan-Ideologues who think only they know what is best for our country and its citizens. Their idea of compromise is like Obama’s, to pick off 2-3 Republicans, to support the Democratic position. That is not compromise.
    .
    They will know come back with a lot of garbage to, in their limited minds to, prove me wrong. You and I both know the truth about their ideas of compromise and their world views which are not in the best interest of our country.

  • 3xfire3

    pfbraun,
    .
    Good Post and truthful.

  • 3xfire3

    Liberalmeltdown,
    .
    It’s simply amazing to read your comments and those from the likes of Kevie or Patrick.
    .
    It’s very much like listening to an adult and then hearing the children rant and cry.
    .
    There are some intelligent Liberals on this site but these two are not part of that group.

  • 3xfire3

    Liberalmeltdown, It’s simply amazing to read your comments and those from the likes of Kevie or Patrick.
    .
    It’s very much like listening to an adult and then hearing the children rant and cry.
    .
    There are some intelligent Liberals on this site but these two are not part of that group.

  • 3xfire3

    Apr,
    .
    Careful you’re showing your ignorance.

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  • Paul-no not that one

    I always maintained that QH was the Jackson Pollack of Swampland.
    .
    I loved her.

  • kevin

    You think the left wing took over the Democratic Party? Seriously?!
    .
    Christ, give me a second to stop laughing. OK. Whew.
    .
    Let’s look at the stranglehold the left wing has in the Democratic Party by examining one issue — health care. The left wing of the Democratic Party wanted single payer universal health care. They couldn’t get it. Then they tried to get a robust public option to compete with private insurers. They couldn’t get it. Instead, what the Democratic Party rallied around was a system that empowered private insurance companies as the central actors — half Lowell Weicker’s Republican plan from 1993, half Mitt Romney’s Republican plan for Massachusetts. The end result had nothing to do with what the left wing wanted.
    .
    If the left wing had its way, there would be no escalation in Afghanistan, there would be no remaining troops in Iraq, there would have been a major push for climate change reform, there would have been a repeal of DADT on the president’s first day in office, and on and on.
    .
    You know nothing about the Democratic Party, and you know nothing about liberals. Which likely means you watch Fox News a whole lot.

  • kevin

    They are all over the top Extreme Liberals.
    .
    Translation: They do not agree with Thought Commissioner Limbaugh.
    .
    Please, continue to purge everyone from your party who stands even slightly to the left of Sarah Palin. I’m sure the four of you will be very happy together.

  • kevin

    Great, 3x, maybe you can tell us what was so important in her speech. What did you like about it?

  • kevin

    It’s very much like listening to an adult and then hearing the children rant and cry.
    .
    You mean when you listen to the president, and then hear what Palin has to whine about? Yep.

  • Paul-no not that one

    Can one be a good republican and not support Palin?
    .
    Are there examples?

  • kathy

    kbang – very impressive. Don’t forget “seancaseyforgothispassword” (I think that was the name)

  • kevin

    You and I both know the truth about their ideas of compromise and their world views which are not in the best interest of our country.
    .
    Hey, 3xfire, you should pick up a copy of Orwell’s 1984 when you get a chance. You sound exactly like Big Brother’s propaganda experts at the Ministry of Truth.

  • kathy

    Patrick re: 17.4:
    .
    My whole state had that experience. I can remember when the first Democrat was elected Governor in 109 years (in 1960). Since then the governorship has flipped parties each time a new governor came in. But on the whole we’re now pretty liberal (though not yuppie in the way we’re charicatured). We love sending Bernie Sanders to Washington to be a thorn in the side, but wouldn’t ever elect him Governor..

  • kathy

    April – she was apparently on Bill Maher 22 times. Hope he’s saving the best for last.

  • kathy

    I agree wtih you on this. And the interesting thing is how much more able Christine O’Donnell is as a speaker, even though she has, if anything, less substance (can that be true? At least she has more problems). I think O’Donnell just draws the contrast and will make people realize how bizarre SP’s speech patterns are when they hear her.

  • kathy

    Paul – you’re the only other person here I can remember thinking that QH is female. I could never understand the pov that QH was male.

  • allthingsinaname

    A race to the bottom making God in their image.

  • kathy

    jgsr:
    .
    I appreciate that you’ve marshalled arguments here, even though I don’t agree with them. We really do need conservatives here who want to debate and aren’t all that interested in screaming at us.
    .
    As 53-3 said, It’s pretty bizarre to measure accomplishments just on the basis of the office you’ve been elected to.
    .
    patrick- pretty good list.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    3X,
    .
    Why is it that when some conservatives call Democrats including those who risked their lives in Vietnam fighting off actual communists side by side with members of their company with Republicans calling them “communists” is a sweet, kind joke, but saying that Sarah Palin’s speeches have consistently lacked any plans, any significant number of specifics or succeeded in inspiring faith in her that you call this “hatred”.
    .
    It’s like you’re tossing grenades all day and when somebody taps you on the shoulder you start screaming bloody murder.
    .
    I had just started college when the Berlin Wall came down, I was already very interested in politics,already a registered Democrat but had entertained the idea – just a concept not a plan – of being in the CIA in the Cold War. People a generation or more older than I am who were liberal Democrats did join the CIA.
    .
    What Apr and others are saying – as if being the interviewers for the job of president (as we all are the deciders) – Mrs Palin, I am sorry to say lacks the qualifications. And that is hatred?
    .
    I don’t think so.
    .
    Anger and hatred is what the far right has been all about.

  • kathy

    Joe – thanks for the post. It’s good news that SP went into Iowa and got intimidated by her audience. She knows now, if she didn’t before, that she can’t bluff this audience. And although she can skip either Iowa or New Hampshire, she can’t skip both. 2012 may be the election when many who have been decrying how much power the people of these two states have reconsider the value of having candidates subjected to the vetting of informed voters.

    I remain unconvinced she’s going to run though. She won’t say that until she absolutely must, since her cachet depends on the presumption she’ll run. Right now she has more influence than she could have expected to have as, say, governor, so from her standpoint I expect it justifies her quitting. But there has been nothing from her to suggest she can withstand the rigors of a national campaign. Complaining about the media all the time and trying to circumvent them all the time won’t really get her the nomination.

  • 3xfire3

    Good night little Kevie.

  • 3xfire3

    Kathy,
    .
    If you really believe Joe’s biased story I have some swampland in Florida that I sure you would love to buy.

  • Ivy_B

    I was ambivalent as to whether QH was male or female, but after she gave up that persona and came back as the Obama type name I can’t remember, I went for male.
    .
    Does anyone remember what that name was? S/he left because under that name got a very big following on twitter.

  • kevin

    You’re going to bed at 11am? How old are you?
    .
    Get some sleep. Maybe when you wake up you can actually answer my question about what was so “important” in Palin’s speech in Iowa? Maybe you can offer a single fact instead of your usual trade in insults.
    .
    Because God knows, you absolutely suck at insults. You might as well try reasoned debate.

  • kevin

    One more time — Joe listened to Palin’s speech and didn’t see anything important there. I’ve read the transcript, and even though I’m not her target audience, I can’t see what would animate anyone to like what they heard.
    .
    Did you actually listen to it, or read it? Did you? If so, answer the question and enlighten us as to what was so amazing about it.

  • allthingsinaname

    “To verbally attack others in a personally demeaning tilt that have accomplished far more than you, rather than stating any of your numerous objections toward another person’s political stance, is inexcusable and it’ more demeaning to you than the object of your disrespectful criticism.”

    “Joe, you are a writer……and occasionally good at what you do. It is what you do not do, that is reprehensible and inexcusable.
    Sarah has been Governor of one of our states one more time than you have been Governor…..and you never will be a Governor.
    Nor will you ever be a Vice Presidential candidate.
    There are only 50 States.
    There have only been 88 Vice Presidential candidates.
    How many writers have there been Joe?
    How many people have written comments/editorials for magazines and all other types of media and publications since 1790.
    24 hours after your funeral, nobody but a very few of your relatives will ever remember your name.
    You’ve accomplished what in your life Joe?”
    .
    Say what? First you don’t like politicians, then we haven’t accomplished anything because we are not politicians.
    Second who is being disrespectful of whom? Why should one person deserve more respect than another? Be careful here.
    Third who is verbally attacking whom?

  • Ivy_B

    And, the name was hulagate! Over 2,000 followers on twitter.

  • kathy

    Ben Smith’s take over at Politico is worth reading. This is a good point:

    “I don’t know how the machine works. I don’t really know who they are up in that hierarchy in the GOP machine,” Palin told the Des Moines audience during her call for party unity and a “great awakening of America.”

    But Palin was speaking to the machine

    At some point the tea party may throw off Sarah Palin as another politician trying to tell them what to do. pretty dangerous to try riding the tiger, even if you brought it to life.

  • allthingsinaname

    Really they rally against themselves and, so do those who support them.

  • grape_crush

    If she decides to run for president it’s going to be a very long couple of years.
    .
    Ha! Almost missed that, very funny!

  • ilikechips

    3X- great posts. I see the liberal douchb@ggs are out in full force with the insults. Nothing like a Sarah Palin story to get them all wet. They seem so concerned about speech delivery, import and how she comes off. didn’t seem so concerned about this utter joke of a person getting elected. He sounds like a true rittard. Also, noticed fat patrick cutting and pasting a list for the 1 millionth time. Go sell some real estate already and leave the hot dog stand alone..

  • Paul-no not that one

    I thought someone found out her name was Vonda something or other.
    .
    She wrote cookbooks.
    .
    Instead of mockingly calling BHO “The One” like the rest she called him The Once which I thought was pretty funny.

  • Paul-no not that one

    So the answer is no?

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “…a true rittard..”
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    Apparently you have no idea how to use a spell check.
    .
    You do know that Democratic Senator Frankin is one of the two people you just posted, don’t you?
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    Al Frankin is Stuart Smally.
    .
    “…cutting and pasting…” from other people’s post.
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    You know nothing about me ledpaintchips, but your spelling and use of language have left a strong impression on all of us that you are pathetic.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor
  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “You’re going to bed at 11am? How old are you?”
    .
    3X is a 470 year old vampire who sleeps when it is bright out . Truth and sunlight will make him melt.
    . :)

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Okay, wingnuts, here’s your porn.
    .
    http://www.necn.com/pages/landing_business?Palin-mum-on-2012-plans-urges-focus-on-N=1&blockID=313327&feedID=
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    It’s 13 minutes of Sarah Palin in Des Moines.
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    I’m not a public speaker, but I think that 20 something years ago I made better speeches when running for student government office.
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    Decide yourself.
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    BTW: for you guys who like women in their mid 40s, if you don’t spend the entire speech doing the things Christine O’Donnell opposes, you might not like this speech.

  • Ivy_B

    I agree, every now and then s/he came up with some funny lines.
    .
    I just read through the first couple of pages of the 27,000 some tweets and can’t imagine that they were written by a woman. Brought me back to all those swampland posts.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Careful you’re showing your ignorance.”
    .
    Ignorant about what? Be specific or expect to be ridiculed since “ignorant” is not a compliment in the least, for this to go from an insult to constructive criticism, you need to tell her what you believe that she does not know.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    With your pants on, tell me what besides what she looks like inspired you or informed you.
    .
    Ready?

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    BTW: Lead paint chips, outside of a parties and election days when Democrats win, cold water and dunkin donuts coffee are what I drink.
    .
    But, at least we know that the Tea Party is the New Know Nothing Party. The Know Nothing Party had a campaign against Irish immigrants.
    .
    Be careful, your gods ORielly and Hannity are also Micks. I wouldn’t mind too much, though if you had them deported.

  • ilikechips

    Fatpat- obviously the movie Hangover was way to cool of a movie for you to see.

  • http://publius2000.wordpress.com publius2000

    Word salad. Was she reading from her hand again?

    Much of the audience cheering was from the occasional mention of a Reagan phrase or two, and nothing more than that. But, that’s just typical GOP boilerplate.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Oh, no!
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    Leadpaintchips says that I am not one of the cool kids!
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    Drinking yourself stupid and getting hangovers isn’t my idea of fun, so, I don’t think I would like to see a movie about it.
    .
    For movies it’s thrillers (The Usual Suspects and No way out have to be among my favorites), Psychological thrillers (Memento and Identity are among my favorites) War Movies (Enemy at the Gate is one of my favorites), Gangster Films (Miller’s Crossing is my favorite – besides the Cohen Brothers being amazing, I have to admit that I like the fact that the Irish won no matter how much, in real life, I hate all organized crime). For comedy, I like stand up – rarely sitcoms or comedy movies.
    .
    Sarah Palin – all the cool kids do her.
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    (All of the 50 something men who support her do her in their dreams that is).

  • http://www.thedailyalmanac.com thelastrefuge

    Palin in Iowa, Jokes about Running
    Sarah Palin delivered a fiery speech Friday night to about 1400 people at the Iowa Republican Party’s largest annual fundraiser. She pushed for unity in the party and joked about speculations over her own possible presidential aspirations. http://www.newslook.com/channels/associated-press

  • shepherdwong

    Just curious though, what would an atheist know about a sunday tv evangelist?
    .
    Assuming that the evangelist wasn’t just a lying huckster, an atheist would know that he was practicing mystical (and/or magical) thinking, something the evangelist wouldn’t know about himself (rather, he would believe that he understood some important truth, just the opposite of empirical reality).

  • shepherdwong

    Our citizens were fooled in the last election but are smart enough to correct it in November.
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    So, “squeal and follow,” it is. I’m shocked!

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    3X, JGSR, meltdown, twothirds, it’s now your time:
    .
    You’ve seen a portion of her speech, if it is not the best part, please google it for yourself and post it or post the text of it if you can find it and tell us how very wrong we all were.
    .
    Twothirds, like you like to sing in falsetto when wearing your tight leather pants – hit me with your best shot.

  • apr2563

    Ivy: Rereading QH takes some stamina. QH was posting when I first found Swampland. I thought he (I’m with you on gender) was basically a lone crazy. I was wrong. There are a couple others. But, variety is good.

  • 3xfire3

    kevie,
    .
    My mistake. Sorry I thought it was your nap time.

  • formerlyjames

    Just because I’m bored, thought I’d chirp in with others that Palin says nothing, the Tea Party says nothing. Platitudes, cliches, misguided quotes, but really just indefinable free-floating anger. Take our country back. From whom? Us? It’s all nonsense, just fun and games. As patrick has repeatedly asked, please enlighten us if you can. We know the answer. You can’t. There is no light to share. The response continues to be platitudes, cliches, anger, and…any outside party is a lefty loony, nazi, communist, wants to destroy our country and has no patriotism and…ok, got over my bored spell for now.

  • kevin

    3x, I’ve asked you three times what it was you liked about Palin’s speech — what was so important and incredible about it that Joe’s take was wrong — and you’ve still refused to answer, but you take the time to stop by for more name-calling.
    .
    Ladies and gentlemen, the modern Republican Party — nothing but toddlers.

  • kevin

    All they know is that some mean journalist said something bad about mommy, and that makes them mad.

  • 3xfire3

    kathy,
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    “At some point the tea party may throw off Sarah Palin as another politician trying to tell them what to do. pretty dangerous to try riding the tiger, even if you brought it to life.”
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    Not a chance. The Tea Party will always love Sarah Palin because she is a Real American Woman. A woman that truly represents Mainstream American Women. She’s not one of those NOW feminist many of whom hate men..
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    You Liberals demonize anyone you view as a threat to your warped ideology. Guess what. It isn’t working for you. Mainstream America has no use for you. You fooled them once. It won’t happen again. Only 44 more days and Americans will send the misfits in Washington back home. It’s a shame that all Senator are not up for election in November. Then we could get rid of most of the Left Wing politicians in one election. Wouldn’t that be grand.

  • Ivy_B

    About to go out for the evening, but thought I’d preview some tomorrow news and let the rightys generate their leftys unfair complaint.

    Why would a media savvy candidate like Christine O’Donnell blow off a coveted opportunity to appear on the Sunday political shows? Could it be because her lawyers warned her against risking incriminating herself by discussing on-air an ethics watchdog group’s charge that she embezzled campaign funds?

    http://www.pensitoreview.com/2010/09/19/christine-odonnell-abruptly-cancels-fox-%20appearance-in-wake-of-embezzlement-complaint/

  • sacredh

    It could have something to do with the witchcraft and Satanic altar stuff too. I’m anxious to hear an explanation that doesn’t involve peyote and a bad trip.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “You Liberals demonize anyone you view as a threat to your warped ideology.”
    .
    1) Try hard to find anything worse than “shallow”, “ditzy”, “uninformed”, “unqualified” and “dumb” applied to Sarah Palin. Far from flattering, but completely unlike calling Palin the Antichrist, a Nazi, a Communist, a radical Christian trying to impose a radical theology on us or secret Muslim trying to help terrorists destroy the United States.
    .
    What has been posted here, not much unlike what the media has been saying, are the same kind of thing somebody would say about a comically unqualified applicant for a job.
    .
    3X,
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    What would have happened if I applied to work for the company you own to be one of the engineers? Taking into account that I have not taken one class in engineering (electrical engineers or mechanical engineers I presume you used to hire) if you looked at the majors of Economics and International Relations without my ever having completed Calculus (much less multi-variable calculus required for both types of engineers) and giggled, should I say that you HATE me? Should I say that you have DEMONIZED me?
    .
    I would think that it means you find Economics and Engineering totally different.
    .
    Sarah Palin was a good sports caster and a failed governor who couldn’t tolerate the stress and responsibility of completing her term.
    .
    2) I listed above at 26.2 what this liberal and, to a lesser extent, a majority of liberals consider our values. Please feel free to explain to me what of those eight are “warped”.
    .
    “You fooled them once. It won’t happen again.”
    .
    3) Who fooled who once? Kathy fooled people? Kevin? 53_3? I fooled people? Which “them” were fooled? Republicans? Republicans didn’t support Democratic candidates. Democrats were fooled by Kathy? What is it that you are trying to say?
    .
    Obama ran on a platform of many highly specific ideas: HCR, Cap & Trade, Financial Reform, A gradual withdrawal from Iraq. Stepping up troop deployments and getting a clear victory in Afghanistan until it is a stable democratic country, immigration reform and a stimulus package.
    .
    Although some are not completed and nearly all of them got watered down by yellow bellied blue dog Democrats, this is what he has worked on.
    .
    Trying to do everything you promised to do is “fooling” people?
    .
    Or, maybe it is just evil mastermind, Vermont resident Kathy you are saying has fooled people. :)
    .
    You sound like Palin herself – no clarity, no specifics, lots of hollow remarks and lots of false allegations.

  • ilikechips

    Silly Ivy.yes i wonder why Odonnell would not want to go on national tv now. The odonnell hating media would certainly try to cherry pick some clip out of context to gin up some bs controversy. Its disgusting and why I hate liberals .Yes Ivy.Odonnell musta embezzled funds. oh yes..she must be into witchcraft. You guys make me puke.Why not discuss policy instead of blackmagic idiots

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    So, the questions are:
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    Who lied to our country?
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    What did they lie about?
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    How are Democrats/liberals/progressives out of touch with “real” Americans (as compared to both coasts, Chicago and other urban areas of the Mid-West, people holding PhDs even when residing in small towns, people even in small towns who work for Universities and journalist which is, I guess, “fake” America)
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    What are conservatives/Republicans/The Tea Party going to do about it?
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    What is so amazing about speeches from Sarah Palin?
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    What important message do they project?
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    The response:
    .

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Leadpaintchips,
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    Policy is a liberal strong point and the achilles heel of the far right.
    .
    If I were you, I would recommend that you discuss how O’Donnell doesn’t masturbate.

  • sacredh

    O’Donnel brought up the witchcraft herself in 1999 on Bill Mahr’s show. Why would she ever want to discuss something she said? She’ll only come off looking crazy.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Help Wanted:
    .
    Intelligent, well informed conservative who refrains from personal attacks to report to Swampland immediately.
    .
    Pay $0.
    .
    Benefits, you can show us that intelligent conservatives have not gone extinct.

  • sacredh

    “Help Wanted:
    .
    Intelligent, well informed conservative who refrains from personal attacks to report to Swampland immediately.”
    .
    That’s your cue Exiled.
    .

  • apr2563

    ilike: Would you like to share some intelligent policy suggestions with us without personal invective?
    Just policy suggestions.
    How about:
    Afghan war
    Poverty
    Taxes
    Debt
    Health Care
    Unemployment
    Outsourcing
    Immigration
    DADT/DOMA
    Workers’ Rights
    Civil Rights
    Women’s Rights
    Religious Freedom
    Remember, no invective. Just suggestions backed by facts. I would be happy to read and discuss.

  • Paul-no not that one

    Heck spob looks erudite by comparison.

  • kbanginmotown

    kathy:
    .
    Good catch on Sean.
    Also: formerlyjames (who just posted above).
    .
    formerlyjames: Were you originally “James in LA”?

  • liberalmeltdown

    You liberals are so pathetic. You have to have a leader to govern over you. If he doesn’t give flowery soaring rhetorical speeches, then you can’t have an Obamagasm. Your fearless leader gave good speech, but the teleprompter has no brains.

    We aren’t looking for a good speech so much as someone that believes what they say.

    By the way, how’s that hope and change? Change you can believe in? And, all the other lame meaningless platitudes and speeches that Obama has givien working? Is it creating jobs? NO. Is it making things better for America? NO

    Obama has been on TV sometimes 3-4 times a day, day after day after day. I’m sure his delivery was just great.

    SO WHAT! He doesn’t believe what he says and neither do you.

  • liberalmeltdown

    Patrick, you need to put your white sheet on and sit in the corner.

    You don’t get to use an ethnic slur and get off free. So now we know exactly how ignorant you are.

  • liberalmeltdown

    As for why O’donnell didn’t go on National TV: she doesn’t need to. She’s running for a senate seat in Delaware.

    She doesn’t need the MSM. She should avoid them like the plague.

    We have seen the MSM in action, to hell with you.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “You don’t get to use an ethnic slur and get off free. So now we know exactly how ignorant you are.”
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    Three of my great, great grandparents were German, including one named Sartor.
    .
    The rest were Irish.
    .
    I can call anybody “a fellow Mick” and it is not a slur.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    ” You have to have a leader to govern over you.”
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    Correction #1: there is a centrist in the White House.
    .
    Correction #2: We have a president governing our country, not a leader who has more power than previous presidents and he belongs to all of us.
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    ” If he doesn’t give flowery soaring rhetorical speeches, then you can’t have an Obamagasm.”
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    Maybe you are, but I am not sexually attracted to males, so, I have no idea what your talking about with “Obamagasm.”
    .
    “…flowery soaring rhetorical speeches…” He’s no Abe Lincoln, he’s no MLK, he’s no FDR and he’s no JFK, but, after Dubbya, anybody would look like an amazing speaker.
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    “By the way, how’s that hope and change? Change you can believe in?”
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    Okay:
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    HCR: C -
    .
    Financial Reform: B -
    .
    Stimulus Package: D +
    .
    Tarp II: B
    .
    Immigration reform: Incomplete
    .
    Cap & Trade: Incomplete
    .
    Iraq: B +
    .
    Afghanistan: B -
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    “And, all the other lame meaningless platitudes and speeches that Obama has givien [sic] working?”
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    Meaningless platitudes is Sarah Palin’s job. You’ve got the wrong gender, race and Party.
    .
    “Is it creating jobs? ” Yes, after Republican’s raped and plundered government we have gained jobs back, but, unfortunately, not enough since he was far too conservative with the stimulus package and state and local governments sat on their hands keeping stimulus money gathering interest in bank accounts rather than hiring people.
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    “Obama has been on TV sometimes 3-4 times a day, day after day after day.”
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    I don’t own a TV, but, I think that is more like once or twice a week. It just seems like a great deal since Dubbya was so afraid of both explaining how many mistakes he made and of making more gaffs that he had the fewest TV appearances since Harry Truman (when very few Americans yet owned a TV, much less four of them as many do now). People were expecting to see Dubbya’s face on a milk carton if he was seen less.
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    “SO WHAT! He doesn’t believe what he says and neither do you.”
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    WTF?
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    You know what OTHER PEOPLE believe?
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    There are forms of schizophrenia where you believe that you can read other people’s thoughts. Please seriously consider getting psychiatric help immediately.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “We have seen the MSM in action, to hell with you.”
    .
    Who’s “you”?
    .
    We have retirees, teachers, self employed computer programmers, a self employed commercial real estate agent and a large variety of others… none of us are the media any more than you are.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “That’s your cue Exiled.”
    .
    I haven’t been around as long as many others here, but, I have never seen Exiled rude, crude or making personal attacks.
    .
    I have seen him make some sound arguments.
    .
    Maybe since he sticks to sound arguments, he is not going to come here and claim that this speech by Palin was exciting and inspiring since, I suspect, even her biggest fans were not particularly impressed with this one.

  • liberalmeltdown

    A slur is a slur patrick.

    Your rational is like saying it was OK for Jews to help the Nazis round up other Jews to send them to the ovens.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Your rational is like saying it was OK for Jews to help the Nazis round up other Jews to send them to the ovens.”
    .
    No, my rationale is exactly the same why black people can call each other N-r, but we don’t.
    .
    Keep in mind that “Mick” is a fairly archaic slur at that.
    .
    The Irish haven’t lost anybody on a large scale since the Irish Civil War ended in 1924 and those were Irish on Irish losses.

  • liberalmeltdown

    Can you explain why it’s okay for blacks to say N-r?

    Is that like a fat person calling someone else a whale? Someone with acne calling someone else pizzaface? Someone with leprosy calling another rotten?
    Please let us all into your universe where slurs and insults are good things.

    I can’t wait to hear more.

    Liberals: purveyors of race, bigotry and hatred.

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