Christine O’Donnell and the Politics of Abstinence

Amid all the talk of the Delaware Tea Party darling’s background promoting a philosophy of abstinence so strict that it excludes what Woody Allen once called “sex with someone I love” I wondered about the state of the abstinence movement in the U.S. nowadays. It seems like something one heard of in O’Donnell’s promotional heyday about 15 years ago but not so much now. Except that I completely forgot about Bristol Palin’s recent foray into that world, in whose semi-defense TIME’s Nancy Gibbs wrote about last year, and offered some useful insights:

As for abstinence, Bristol has been right all along. She was right back in February when she said it was “not realistic,” she is right now when she says practicing it is hard, and she’s right that it is much better and safer for kids to postpone having sex. She also advocates that kids who have sex should use contraception. This has always been the embedded irony of the fight over sex education. The increased emphasis on abstinence in the past 15 years has been one factor in pushing back the age at which kids have their first sexual encounters, reducing the number of partners they have and lowering both the teen abortion rates and pregnancy rates (though this year has seen a small uptick). The problem with Abstinence Only education was not the Abstinence, it was the Only. The most effective message, as evidenced in every other industrial country with teen pregnancy rates far lower than ours, is to advocate postponement of sexual activity while providing full and complete information on contraception, decision-making and disease prevention. Which is why the President’s just released budget ends funding for programs that restrict the discussion to abstinence alone.
Nancy also wrote at greater length about “teen girl purity” in 2008, for those interested. Whatever appeal abstinence promotion may have to a core group of religious conservatives, my guess is that it does not represent the path to statewide victory in Delaware.
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  • allthingsinaname

    I think she should practice it with politics.

  • powerpoultry

    Christine O’Donnell & Bristol Palin are both very attractive and interesting ladies, and it would be enlightening & enjoyable to discuss abstinence with them, at length.

  • textee

    Why are Republican women so much more attractive than female Democrats?

    The disparity is so vast that Saturday Night Live was forced to turn to an unattractive, overweight, out of shape, 85 year-old woman (i.e, Tina Fey) to play the party of an attractive, ideal weight, in shape, 45 year-old woman (i.e., Sarah Palin). No offense meant to unattractive, overweight, out of shape, 85 year-old women, by the way.

  • textee

    part; not “party” above.

  • highwayjunkie46

    The real issue is Chris Coons and his hatred for our nation, our free enterprise system and Delaware’s biggest employers. Calling himself a “Bearded Marxist”, it’s easy to see why Coons is such an enthusiastic supporter of Obamacare, Cap and Trade (which will kill off Chemicals and Poultry), Amnesty for Illegal Aliens and unrestricted abortion up to and including the day of delivery. By election day, it will be clear that the “extremist nut” in this race is Chris Coons.

  • textee

    Can we get the leftist political advocacy group calling itself “Time magazine” to post a photo of Chris “The Bearded Marxist” Coons with an actual beard? I saw the “[Non]Bearded” Marxist on television last night with a fawning “interviewer” from the unwatched A-Mess-NBC on his knees servicing the “[Non]Bearded” Marxist, but the “[Non]Bearded” Marxist did not have a beard.

  • Art Pepper

    I see that “Bearded Marxist” is the next “ACORN.”

    I would suggest that’s stupid, but then I’ll be accused of belonging to the cult of outrage.

  • afguy

    God, did somebody link to Drudge again?
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    Two threads running… where’s the spray?

  • http://elvisberg.wordpress.com Elvis Elvisberg

    This is a pretty astute critique of where the Right and political journalism are today:

    She is what politics produces when you divorce politics from government. She is what you get when you sell to the country that nothing government can do will help, and that the government is an alien thing, and that politics is nothing more than the active public display of impotent grievance.
    She is what politics produces when you turn them into a game show and the coverage of them over to a generation of high-technology racetrack touts. She is what you get when political journalism reduces politics to numbers on a scoreboard, divorcing them from the real world consequences of what are increasingly seen as cute little eccentric decisions.

  • m0mentom0ri

    That’s why republicans vote for someone? Because they’re pretty?
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    Not only is that the single stupidest thing I’ve heard all day, it completely explains Sarah Palin’s GOP popularity. So, thanks for that.

  • stuartzechman

    Michael Crowley:
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    By pouring on the thinly-disguised Village contempt, you’re helping O’Donnell get a shot at actually being elected.
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    You’re also painting establishment Democrats and their sympathetic columnists as insufferable snobs and, well, dicks.
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    Keep associating smug, lofty, double entendre-laden swipes with actual, substantial criticism of O’Donnell’s candidacy, and you’ll be doing real Democrats no favors as we try to communicate to ordinary people that the policies we’re trying to enact are good for everyone –despite how it appears at the moment.
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    Presumably, as a columnist (you’re not actually a reporter, right?), your goal is to help persuade people that the party you favor isn’t just a bunch of cynical douches who can’t wait to mock their political enemies using video of their victim’s earnest, youthful church participation as a means to that end.
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    Presumably, then, you just should shut up about Christine O’Donnell’s prudish views on masturbation expressed when she was obviously a kid, and try to focus on what matters about her candidacy, i.e. that she’s a vote to cut Social Security…unless, of course, you’re in favor of the Catfood Commission’s ultimate, foregone conclusions yourself, Michael Crowley.
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    You’re not doing the Democratic Party any favors with this Village line, so kindly knock it off, please.

  • m0mentom0ri

    The fact that O’Donnell’s a young earth creationist, claims to have only made a little over $5000 all of last year, and so far has refused to debate her opponent, worries me a whole lot more than whether or not she’s a prude.
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    The media goes nuts every time something even mildly salacious hits the wire. “Edwards has a love child”, “Craig’s a toe-tapper!”, “Sanford’s Appalachian Trail Adventure!” Sex! Sex! Sex! Meanwhile, the empire smolders. while the media giggles.
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    Seriously, you all need to get laid more.

  • formerlyjames

    Thought I’d see some comment of the abstinence issue. Instead, the main supporters of that concept, the right wingers, have already hijacked the thread with crazy talk, including the relative attractiveness of female Dems and Repubs, Marxism, patriotism, etc. When that happens I say screw it and give up even bothering to read a thread further.

  • formerlyjames

    SZ, surely you know that given the option, many such “columnists” will tackle the sex angle rather than boring issues like eliminating social security. That’s entertainment.

  • kevin

    Amen.

  • freeinpa

    By pouring on the thinly-disguised Village contempt, you’re helping O’Donnell get a shot at actually being elected.
    .
    You’re also painting establishment Democrats and their sympathetic columnists as insufferable snobs and, well, dicks.
    ..
    Sorry SZ. What is helping Tea Party candidates get elected is the arrogance of the media who have tried to paint Tea Party people as mindless racist fools. They are failing miserably and adding to the strength of the movement. The people are tired of endless spending and government intervention at every turn of their lives.
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    I would paraphrase Churchill who I believe said,”government eventually get things right, but they always do it with the last option. That is what we are seeing. The people have known for years that Democrats were tax & spenders and meddlers. They also found out in the 8 years of Bush many of the Republicans became de facto Democrats. The Tea Party will change that.

    On the second point above, the statement is correct

  • freeinpa

    So the only legitimate issue you see is one that criticizes a Republican candidate.

    If you need to find a reason the Tea Party is gaining strength read you idiot comments for the reason.

  • allthingsinaname

    Well look stuart the Democrats are not exactly giving the press anything to write about. Do we even know where the Democrats stand on SS? My kids do expect to have SS when they reach my age, ask anyone in their 30′s they do not think it will be there.
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    As far as I can tell the Party is, well, sitting on their rear ends waiting for something to happen. No leadership. No direction. No concern.
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    The whole thing is strange, weird.

  • formerlyjames

    Is this a joke? My understanding of the Tea Party is that they believe the Republican Party to be not right wing crazy enough for their tastes. So far their greatest threat is to the Republican Party.

  • danielatlanta

    When it concerns Christine O’Donnell, Sarah Palin, the Tea Party, and all of the other empty-headed blowhards on the political Right, I wish the media would practice abstinence. They should be mentioned in the media only when they have a positive idea, which would mean that they would hardly be mentioned at all.

  • kathy

    textee, this is batty even for you. Are you sure you didn’t mistype something by mistake? Tina Fey, who managed to be a dead ringer for Sarah Palin is an unattractive, overweight, out of shape, 85 year-old woman???? She’s 40, btw.
    .
    Even if what you said about Fey were true, what on earth is your point? That there’s a genetic link between attractiveness and Republicanism? If people are pretty then they’re smart enough to be Republicans?
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    As with momentemori, I can hardly believe you’d admit that your party is that shallow.

  • allthingsinaname

    oops that should be my kids do not expect to have SS when they reach my age.

  • danielatlanta

    Republicans like pretty women who come across as a dominatrix (picture Sarah Palin with a whip, easy isn’t it?). I’ll let you figure out the psychology.

  • destor23

    You know, I sympathize with freeinpa on this in that the coverage of O’Donnell from both the establishment left and the establishment right has been really ugly in its snobbery. There’s like a sense of tragedy that the candidate pre-approved by both sides to run in the general was unfairly ousted by voters who temporarily lost their minds and destroyed democracy by practicing it.

    As stuartzechman says above this nose in the air treatment of her will possibly backfire on her opponents and it certainly doesn’t speak well of how the pundit class views the voters at large.

    From what I know of O’Donnell I disagree with her on just about everything and I would not like to see her become a Senator. But she ran a real primary campaign and beat a very strong opponent and that’s more than I’ve accomplished in my life so as much as I’d like to sit her down and teach her about evolution and dinosaurs I think it makes sense to treat her as a serious candidate which, underdog or not, is what she is.

    And, you know, insurgent candidates are a good thing. It’s good that a Ned Lamont or a Sarah O’Donnell or whoever else can show up and defy expectations every now and then. Rather than try to laugh it off, I’d expect our political pundits to applaud the notion.

  • kathy

    I really can’t see that O’Donnell’s views on abstinence are that out of the mainstream with a lot of Joe Biden’s voters,and I don’t think they’re an impediment to her election.

    There are a lot of things that would concern me more, including her belief that victims of rape shouldn’t be able to chose abortion, that she wouldn’t lie to protect someone’s life, that on the other hand she’s lied all over the place about her own life, that she has used running for office as her own personal jobs program, that she has absolutely no experience, none, zip, zero, in running anything.
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    She is, however, several degrees more articulate and faster on her feet than Sarah Palin, so she’s apparently filling some Republican archetype and will go far.

  • destor23

    I think I’m going to start read all abstinence headlines as absinthe headlines. “Christine O’Donnell and the Politics of Absinthe.” It brings to mind Voltaire and the Libertine and makes me happy.

  • danielatlanta

    Yeah, like everybody applauded the “victory” of Hitler in the 1933 German federal elections (yeah, the German public applauded), and many said hurrah for the insurgents. They figured the Nazis ran a good race and they won, so everybody could feel good about democracy and all could live happily everafter. So, hurrah, hurrah for the tea party! All is for the good when political insurgents make a good showing, history tells us so.

  • http://www.flickr.com/hubbmax hubbmax

    Thanks!
    Concise, spelled right, and like a laser to the point!
    A pleasure to encounter here today…..

  • destor23

    Danielatlanta!

    She’s not a Nazi, Danielatlanta.

    Nazi means something very specific and evil, not whoever you disagree with. And say what you want about the Tea Partiers (I certainly do) but they are our fellow citizens and I don’t see the need to dismiss them as Nazis.

  • stuartzechman

    Being so tribally devoted as to compare the candidacy of Christine O’Donnell with actual Nazi Party figures is part of the problem for the movement left.
    .
    The Tea Party are not real, live Brownshirts, no matter how good it feels to us to call them that.
    .
    Ordinary people can recognize this obvious fact, so it really does damage to our cause to indulge ourselves in this sort of deliberately stupid hyperbole.
    .
    That someone’s ideas are grotesquely wrong or demonstrably false, and that they’re movement rightists doesn’t make them fascists.
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    It’s about time that we movement liberals found a better way of A) communicating the danger of state-empowered rightism, B) making ourselves feel superior to our political enemies.
    .
    That’s if we actually have any intentions at all of succeeding in our agenda, of course.
    .
    …One item of which happens to be the promotion of small-d democracy in the United States, political establishment accountability, and the honest advertisement of the major parties’ (in this case Republicans’) actual political thoughts.

  • deconstructiva

    It looks like those headlines are rubbing the wrong way.

  • newfreedomblog

    Wow, a thread of comments whereby two of our liberal friends actually post not only friendly discourse about the opposition, but factually correct comments to boot.
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    Thank you destor and stuart.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Stuart,
    .
    I could not disagree with you more.
    .
    When the death panels lie came out, the media was silent.
    .
    When the 16,500 armed IRS agents forcing people to go to doctors came out, the media was silent.
    .
    When the right wing tried to claim that this tax law, known as health care reform came out was unconstitutional, the media was silent.
    .
    When right wingers stole quotes out of context from our founding fathers, the press was silent.
    .
    When Climate change was taken from proven scientific fact to debatable opinion by non-scientists, the media played along.
    .
    When the stimulus package was being called a random spending of money for no reason, the media stayed silent.
    .

    By calling out O’Donnell on her Jefferson quote, letting everybody know that when she was 27 (I do not call 27 a “kid”) she had an amusingly inaccurate view of what the world’s worst problems were and letting the world know that she believes in creationism will destroy her.
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    I am tired of our founding fathers, the constitution, science, economics and history being stolen in lie after lie after lie by the far right to manipulate people.
    .
    This, Stuart, to me, is the media doing it’s job for a change: calling out her misuse of Thomas Jefferson and letting us all know that she is a theocrat without the knowledge and ability to serve as a US Senator.
    .
    As I see it, the media’s job is to find the factual information on every candidate’s political stance and to make sure that the public gets to see it.
    .
    It seems like to me that you believe that the people of Delaware want an unqualified theocrat to be their US Senator and showing these facts will do her good instead of harm.
    .
    I disagree.

  • stuartzechman

    Dude, are you in the right thread?

  • danielatlanta

    No, not Nazis in ideology, but just as dangerous to our republic with their anti-government, anti-poor, anti-black components, anti-share-the-wealth attitudes. Plus, they are financed by behind-the-secenes billionnaires. It’s a dangerous movement, populated by a lot of dissatisfied people who are being taken advantage of by a handful who want more money and power at the top. The Tea Party folks are in the same frame of mind that 1930s Germans were, wanting easy answers to hard problems. The people they are putting forward as candidates have no answers, just gripes. In that sense, they are latter-day Nazis. And, I think many of them are indeed evil.

  • newfreedomblog

    Dude, are you in the right thread?

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    LOL!!!
    .

  • newfreedomblog

    “I think many of them are indeed evil.”

    .
    Put your tin-foil hat back on danieatlanta, the boogiemen and women in the Tea Party will then go away for you.
    .
    Might I also suggest you buy one of these?
    .

  • newfreedomblog

    If the last video doesn’t do it for you, maybe this one will….
    .

  • Ivy_B

    Michael if you wanted to seriously discuss abstinence, this might have been an appropriate topic, but that is certainly not what your post would lead to.

    Another aspect of the race rarely discussed is –

    O’Donnell also faces a numbers battle. She garnered less than 30,000 votes in a contest in which only Republicans could cast ballots. About 293,000 Democrats are registered in Delaware, compared with about 183,000 Republicans.

    http://www.philly.com/philly/wires/ap/news/nation/elections/senate/20100915_ap_teapartywinstunsdelawaregopthrillsdems.html

    Democrats should not take the race for granted, but should discuss the issues where there are vastly different positions.

  • nflfoghorn

    Hey, I go to bed every night…don’t *they*???

  • Ivy_B

    Absinthe makes the heart grow fonder.

  • stuartzechman

    Do we even know where the Democrats stand on SS?
    .
    It pretty much depends on whether A) they’re liberal Democrats, and B) they have a f*cking spine.

  • nflfoghorn

    Whatever happened to Thursday?

  • apr2563

    Yeah that representative Virginia Foxx is a real foxy lady!
    And that Jean Schmidt, what a babe!
    What stupid, sexest doooooches Textee and some others are.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Stuart,
    .
    I was mistaken.

  • apr2563

    It would be helpful, in my opinion, if the press ignored candidates that will only interview with Fox and other right wing outlets and also ignore their Facebook and Twitter comments, since they have no idea who is writing them.
    Until you have first hand interviews, be silent.

  • stuartzechman

    I knew something was up!

  • apr2563

    http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/09/odonnell-in-2007-scientists-have-created-mice-with-human-brains.php
    Sorry SZ, but I had to post this. Back in 07 O’Donnell was speaking out about stem cell research and warned that there were mice who have been cloned and had human brains.
    Now this may sound condescending, but I don’t want someone that stupid in the Senate.
    But, enjoy the attached Looney Tunes cartoon on TPM.

  • formerlyjames

    I prefer to avoid the label “nazi”, as it diminishes the evil of it all. For the right wingers, I prefer the term “fascist” as they haven’t yet achieved the level of evil of the Nazis. They’re working on it, but not yet.

  • formerlyjames

    kathy, you’re right, and the masturbation nonsense was before she got her sea legs. She’s much more slick than Palin these days. Scary.

  • formerlyjames

    Reading along, I forgot the original point of right wing sex theology. St. Paul, forgive me.

  • sacredh

    Michael, do you know how many people read the Swamp on an average day?

  • freeinpa

    SZ: Welcome to our world with Rev Jim Here is a list just from a quick search. There are tons of others. Just Rev Jim making stuff up again!
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    “When the death panels lie came out, the media was silent.”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/12/grassley-endorses-death-p_n_257677.html

    http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2009/12/22/palins-death-panels-charge-named-lie-of-the-year/
    .
    “When the 16,500 armed IRS agents forcing people to go to doctors came out, the media was silent.”

    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/04/will_the_irs_need_16000_new_ag.html

    http://www.cleveland.com/medical/index.ssf/2010/04/health_care_fact_check_will_ne.html

    http://thinkprogress.org/2010/03/26/irs-health/

  • 3xfire3

    destor23 and Stuart,
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    Thank you for your thoughtful posts. You have had the courage to speak the truth about the opposition even though you knew your fellow liberals would disagree with you.
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    If there is a future for Liberalism it will because of individuals like you who will speak the truth and not spread hate like so many Liberals and
    Conservatives on this site.
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    Whether O’Donnell is the most or least qualified to become a U.S. Senator, she should not be trashed by anyone on the right or left.
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    Politics have become a mean contact sport. There is little honor. Candidates are attacked viscously and no human being deserves that kind of treatment.
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    Swampland journalists are some of the worse offenders. They write stories about candidates that are tabloid trash.
    .
    Why can’t we debate the real issues instead of always having a who can hate the most contests?
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    Again destor and Stuart thanks for your efforts to bring some sanity to this site.
    .

  • freeinpa

    The problem is your sentence “my understanding”. You listen to the rantings and ravings of the liberal media and other left wing nut jobs who just belittle and denigrate the Tea Party without any understanding and only wish to destroy it. It is made up of far more people than far right wing anything. There are Republicans, Democrats and Independents who believe the government stopped functioning and the need to reduce the impact on thier life is the top priority.

    The half brains here continue the effort then are surprised when the Tea Party succeeds. It happens to both sides. No one was more surprised than Karl Rove. He is now beginning to understand what is happening. The lesson learned: whether you are Demo or Repub if you ignore the will of the people you will be sent home to annoy your family and not the country.

    My understanding of the Tea Party is that they believe the Republican Party to be not right wing crazy enough for their tastes. So far their greatest threat is to the Republican Party.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Freeinpa,
    .
    You may have finally learned the basics of debate.
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    However, the Huffington Post and Think Progress are almost exclusively read by those who already are progressive, the Wall Street Journal put it in it’s blog, not in it’s main newspaper and the Cleveland Paper put it in it’s health section.
    .
    So, with one exception, Ezra Klein, you have shown that although their was not total silence in the mainstream (not think progress or the Huffington Post – both marketed as progressive sources of information) the facts were hard to find.
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    Palin’s speeches, however, were available on the evening News, CNN, MSNBC and Fox.
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    So, although you are, finally, debating, your evidence against “totally silent” may be there, but your evidence that relative to misinformation has not been proven.
    .
    When Clinton lied, as they should have, the media did call it out.
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    When the truth was that France, Germany, Canada and other countries dismissed our intelligence reports as lacking credibility and conservatives, instead, claimed that France and others hated America, the media response was fairly weak. It should have been out there very clearly stating that other countries believed that either Bush was lying, being lied to or lying to himself to the point where he believed it was true that Hussein had WMD.
    .
    At least you have mastered links!
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    I am proud of you.
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    Next there is grammar and basic manors and soon you may be able to leave the house and not embarrass your family with your crude and rude behavior.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    So, Newfreakenblog,
    .
    Are you saying that if we buy a medical alert bracelet we will not have another Republican President replace qualified people to run the MMS with a Meth addict and underlings who take bribes, not remove regulations to protect borrowers from predatory lending selling off the toxic assets as good investments and will not invade the wrong country?
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    Interesting.
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    Maybe if you buy survival seeds and gold coins your taxes won’t go up.

  • http://mizclay.wordpress.com mizclay

    how is that going to work, i thought she wanted less government.

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