In the Arena

Election Road Trip, Day 7: Union Maid

Detroit, Mich.

Traveling Companion: Rodney Crowell

Events: Breakfast with Polidori family; meeting with United Auto Workers activists; Dinner with Doug Ross and friends, Macomb County; Breakfast with Kevin Gentry and friends, Brighton, Michigan; Rocky Rajkowski Town Hall, Birmingham, Mi.

Well, this has been a very busy 48 hours, devoted to some of the most important work of this trip–listening to voters, hearing them out. At the top, I’d like to thank Swampland readers Terri Polidori and Kevin Gentry, as well as my old friend Doug Ross, for arranging meetings with their family and friends. I’d also thank Rodney Crowell for being an extra set of eyes and ears–and a great new friend. I’ve always loved his music; turns out he’s a terrific guy, too. (And while I’m at it, Craig Duff who’s been producing the dynamite videos on this trip and still photographer Peter Van Agtmael. The four of us invaded Detroit correspondent Steve Gray’s home and office this weekend, and so he deserves a tip of the hat, too.)

The hottest of all the hot topics at each of these meetings was government bailouts and the way people are reacting–some responsibly, some not–to these hard times. The meeting with Kevin Gentry’s friends–most of them public employees of one sort or another; all but one of them with houses that are “under water” (that is, with mortgages larger than their houses are worth)–was especially stunning. I’m intending to devote my print column to this topic this week, so I’ll leave the details till then. But I did want to introduce you to Tammy Jackson, a United Auto Workers activist, whom I met on Saturday…and who immediately reminded both Rodney and me of the Woody Guthrie lyrics, “There once was a union maid/who never was afraid…” and also, a bit, of Sarah Palin. Another UAW activist, Brian Bonds, was there at Time’s Detroit house–but Brian soon was as blown away by Tammy’s exuberant vehemence as the rest of us.

Local Detroit UAW official Tammy Jackson. Photograph by Peter van Agtmael- Magnum for TIME


Tammy is a 3rd generation member of the UAW. She’s 33 and is married to an auto-worker (her husband was laid for more than half a year; she’s been laid off, too–layoffs are a part of life in the auto industry.) They have two children. Tammy is also blond and not unattractive, and not shy. “Thank God for the UAW,” she said when she talking about the layoffs: the unions provides “sub” pay to laid off workers. She seemed to put Barack Obama in the same category as the UAW: “Obama has definitely been for the working people. If it hadn’t been the auto bailout, the whole industry would have gone under. The whole midwest would have gone under. It would have been catastrophic.”

Despite that, these were scary times. Last year, the Jacksons were set to buy and sell a house on the same day, but the buyers had to pull out because one of their mortgage lenders changed its mind at the last minute. “We really wanted the house we were buying, so we raided our 401Ks. We had to take a lower price for our old house eventually. But there are foreclosures all around us in our neighborhood. And squatters are moving into the empty houses.”

I told Tammy that we’d been hearing a lot of complaints about the government helping to subsidize people who were threatened with foreclosure–people who’d been irresponsible in buying houses they really couldn’t afford. “I don’t feel anger toward people who fall on troubled times,” she said. “I do get angry at the people who are trying to beat the system”–she said, referring to the growing number of people who were just walking away from their mortgages–”the people who are trying to get over.”

Tammy serves on a committee that screens political candidates for her union. “Some of these politicians just make me sick. They’re so ignorant; they don’t have a clue about the issues. I’m very forward, I don’t hold back–I tell them to get lost,” she said. I told her that I’d noticed that quality. “Oh yeah,” she continued, “I’m not shy about tossing members of my family out of my house in a political argument.” How close were these family members? I asked. “Very close,” she replied and added, “And if you show up in my driveway in foreign car, I’ll toss you out before you get in the door.”

Rodney Crowell. Photograph by Peter van Agtmael- Magnum for TIME

The talk returned to politics and Tammy admitted the Republicans were very clever, using wedge issues to get between working families and their economic interests. Some of the wedges were very effective, she said, “No UAW members want to give up their guns.” At which point, Brian jumped in with an emphatic “NO WAY!” Brian owned two pistols; Tammy had a rifle and a hunting bow. “I know how to target,” she said, “I could take Sarah Palin any day in a shooting contest.” She said that she went deer-hunting with her dad, who made her carry off what she killed. I asked if he she ever field-dressed a deer. She said she had, but didn’t like it very much.

Later, Rodney said he figured Palin would have the edge in a debate against Tammy because she’d had more practice, but we agreed if there were a new sport, a boxing-debate cage match–both women armed with boxing gloves and microphones–might be a different story. “I wouldn’t bet against Tammy if that were the case,” Rodney said.

This post is part of my Election Road Trip 2010 project. To track my location across the country, and read all my road trip posts, click here.

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  • herby002

    “Later, Rodney said he figured Palin would have the edge in a debate against Tammy because she’d had more practice, but we agreed if there were a new sport, a boxing-debate cage match–both women armed with boxing gloves and microphones–might be a different story. “I wouldn’t bet against Tammy if that were the case,” Rodney said.

    Well, Tammy would probably pummel Palin with FACTS in a verbal debate, and win in front of neutral judges. As for a cage match: no contest. Palin would have to call “No mas!” and give up because her boxing gloves would cover up all the “debate points” she’d written on her hands. Besides, how could she even enter the ring if she couldn’t find a $1,000 designer boxing outfit?

  • balaamish

    Though they’d be evenly matched in belligerent xenophobia. (“And if you show up in my driveway in foreign car, I’ll toss you out before you get in the door.”)

    I hope I’m not the only one who finds this whole cat-fight image creepy.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Obama has definitely been for the working people. If it hadn’t been the auto bailout, the whole industry would have gone under. The whole midwest would have gone under. It would have been catastrophic.”
    .
    I am glad to see that some “real” Americans, from the Midwest can see past the smoke and mirrors to see that our Midwestern President (Chicago isn’t in the Northeast nor on the West Coast unless somebody moved it recently) is not about some Ivy League idealism and Utopian philosophy, but, in reality, the president who is not out of the think tanks of the far right but in line with the needs of the people.
    .
    I hope some of these people, from dealerships, rank and file UAW members and other people can, also, see who is out for the workers and who is paying millions of dollars to put cowboy hats on corporate elitists and get a shot of them behind the wheel of a pickup truck they never drove in their life.
    .
    I am glad to know that Republicans have not fooled all of the Midwest this time.

  • powerpoultry

    Keep dreaming, anvilhead. Tammy Jackson could not beat pretty, pistol-packin’ Sarah Palin in a shooting contest, a beauty contest, or a popularity contest.

  • herby002

    powerpoultry,
    You don’t know that Tammy couldn’t beat Sarah in a shooting contest. As for the others, who knows?
    However, none of your three contests qualifies the winner to be President of the US, which Sarah is aiming for. (No, the presidential election is not strictly a popularity contest – although it has that element in it.)

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    How seriously can anybody take you when you name yourself chicken energy?
    .
    Then again, that is what the right wing sells, fear, fear, fear and more fear, chicken.

  • herby002

    balaamish,

    thefreedictionary.com defines xenophobia as:
    “A person unduly fearful or contemptuous of that which is foreign, especially of strangers or foreign peoples.”

    Tammy isn’t expressing fear of foreigners. People who drive foreign-made cars are not welcome in her house, because they are harming the “American” industry that employs her. It’s an economic issue for her.
    I’m pretty sure that she doesn’t stand on her porch, watching for Russian (or Canadian) invaders.

    As for a “cat fight”, don’t worry: Sarah would never dare to get into a ring to debate with a REAL American – you know, one whose ideas consist of more than platitudes.

  • allthingsinaname

    There you go, the whole damn narrative was about Sarah Palin. Why? All the nice lead in, bailouts etc., all end in Sarah Palin and who can out shoot her.
    .
    Look in my my and see if you can find anyone who cares other that your own reflection.
    .
    Come on guys don’t you get sick of this crap?

  • allthingsinaname

    I shouldn’t post early in the morning. That should be look in my eys and see if you find anyone who cares.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Joe is putting out bait for the not so elusive wingnut trolls.

  • apr2563

    Palin would be toast.

  • apr2563

    Thank you Joe for talking to a union family.

  • liberalmeltdown

    Hate to break it to you UAW members but it was Clinton and Rahm that sold you down the river. Remeber NAFTA? allowing China to join the WTO that’s World Trade Organization. WHY? Why would they? Why would they allow China to kick your ass?

    Well google Clinton rents out the Lincoln bedroom for starters.

    Remember Ross Perot? Remember the sucking sound of all the jobs leaving the US…remember?

  • apr2563

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Free_Trade_Agreement
    .
    No liberalmeltdown it wasn’t all Clinton and Rahm.
    NAFTA signed 12/17/92 by:
    George HW Bush US
    Brian Mulroney Canada
    Carlos Salinas Mexico
    Finalized under Clinton after adding some measures to protect American workers and environment.
    Passed through house by:
    132 Republilcans
    102 Democrats
    Senate passed: 61-38
    Look at the Senator votes. There was plenty of blame to go around.
    http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=103&session=1&vote=00395
    .
    China didn’t become a member of WTO until 2001.
    Who was President?
    .
    No liberal has been thrilled by the trade agreements that sold out American workers anymore than we are by outsourcing. Conservatives are much more on the side of free trade (there definition).
    .
    Also, the UAW and other unions fought against most of the trade agreements. What did the Rep. Chamber of Commerce do?
    But please, learn your history and spread responsibility among all worthy parties.

  • balaamish

    All due respect herby,
    but economic motive doesn’t make hatefulness any less hateful, and we ought to call it out even when it’s selective (isn’t it always?) and when it it, as Joe and Rodney seem to think, cute ‘n’ spunky.

  • jlbrumb

    “People who drive foreign-made cars are not welcome in her house, because they are harming the “American” industry that employs her”

    If she and her ilk had done their jobs for equivalent wages and benefits, the industry wouldn’t be where it is now and a bailout wouldn’t have been required..

    She obviously believes that the American consumer is not smart enough to make a judicious decision.

    Typical Detroit attitude with a lot of mouth and little substance is not very appealing

    JMHO

    Read more: http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/09/12/election-road-trip-day-7-union-maid/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+timeblogs%2Fswampland+%28TIME%3A+Swampland%29#ixzz0zPiH3s9z

  • nflfoghorn

    “…She’s 33 and is married to an auto-worker …They have two children. Tammy is also blond and not unattractive…”
    .
    Not unattractive to her husband, no doubt. Describing in double-negatives, eh?

  • diecash1

    If she and her ilk had done their jobs for equivalent wages and benefits, the industry wouldn’t be where it is now and a bailout wouldn’t have been required..

    That’s some highly ignorant “analysis” you’ve done there. She and her ilk didn’t make the strategic decisions that led to the failures of the domestic auto industry. The cost of wages and benefits amounts to ~17% of the price of the average vehicle — and that was before a variety of concessions were made; hardly a backbreaking cost.
    ..
    Perhaps you might wish to wake up and realize that it was primarily the leadership of the domestic automakers that failed and much less so the workers. Probably not though.

  • grape_crush

    If she and her ilk had done their jobs for equivalent wages and benefits..
    .
    Equivalent to, say, China? That’s brilliant!…I think every right-winger should run on the platform of making America into a third world corporate republic! I can see the bumpersticker now:
    .
    “Tired of having weekends and want to live in a hovel? Vote Republican.”
    .
    …the industry wouldn’t be where it is now and a bailout wouldn’t have been required…
    .
    Of course; it’s the union’s fault, nevermind the decades’ worth of poor management decisions.

  • grape_crush

    Describing in double-negatives, eh?
    .
    I guess that people are surprised when they find out that Union workers don’t have horns growing from their foreheads, can speak, and don’t snatch the Eloi during the night to make them into a meal.

  • nflfoghorn

    Ah, Bleck writes those dreams down on his chalkboard :)

  • sacredh

    “Tammy is also blond and not unattractive…”
    .
    I think that’s just Joe’s polite way of saying he was sporting wood.

  • swissArmyBrainBETA

    “of course, its the union’s fault”
    .
    well, in part. mostly via the gov. at any rate, there aren’t any bad management incidents on record big enough to bankrupt the company. here’s my all time favorite article on the topic. No paywall! unlike most of the author’s stuff
    .
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124096698307566437.html

  • diecash1

    there aren’t any bad management incidents on record big enough to bankrupt the company.

    You do, of course, realize that the “management incidents” are cumulative and not a “one time” expense, yes? There have been so many poor decisions made that it’s equivalent to “death by a thousand cuts.”
    ..
    I agree that the lack of a U.S. industrial policy has been a long-standing problem and it will continue to be so but the WSJ author also fails to realize that other countries such as Korea and Japan et al. have their own industrial policies that support their automotive industries (among others) to the detriment of their U.S competitors. He appears to completely ignore this point and I find his argument lacking.

  • 53_3

    I would like to see Brian Bonds and Glenn Beck in a debatathon grudge wrestling/kickboxing match.
    .
    Something tells me that he would probably throw the Beckster over a fence mentally, physically, and morally…

  • apr2563

    Please tell me how many of the “foreign” car makers get subsidized by their home countries? Do you want to increase subsidies to American car makers to get parity? How many of those countries have universal health care and other benefits the union had to negotiate for? Learn something before you post.

  • apr2563

    Tammy seems to understand the Republican MO more than most of the traditional media.

  • swissArmyBrainBETA

    wish i had come back to this earlier to argue. won’t waste too much time on old post but let me just say you don’t have to compare gm small car plants to toyota city. how about a domestic honda plant??? that immediately shoots apr’s points. diecash, sorry that line was phrased incorrectly, but yes i was thinking cumulative. the most commonly cited management error was the unwillingness to focus on small cars. that point was refuted nicely in the article. and anyway, remember toyota was making an all out push into trucks just as the downturn hit. wasn’t just a GM/Chrysler thing by any means.

  • sheped

    sick to death of Palin

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