In the Arena

Election Road Trip, Day 6: Why is this Newt Smiling?

Bloomfield Hills, Mich.

Traveling Companion: Rodney Crowell

Events: Eid Celebration with Islamic Leaders; A-OK Detroit Community Serve in Clark Park.

I wanted to visit Detroit’s large Islamic community–the largest, it is said, outside the Middle East and Paris–and we arrived in town at opportune time: at the end of Ramadan, the Islamic month of daytime fasting and prayer (an elongated adaptation of the Jewish fast day of Yom Kippur), which is celebrated by a feast called the Eid. Happily, Saeed Ahmed Khan, a professor at Wayne State University who was quoted in Bobby Ghosh’s recent Islamophobia cover story, was able to invite me to an Eid being held by Victor Begg, a very successful businessman and one the leaders of Detroit’s Islamic community.

Saeed was raised in a small town north of Detroit; his father is a doctor. “On the night of 9/11, my parents noticed that there was a police squad car in the driveway,” he told me. “My father went out to see what was wrong and the officers said, ‘We thought we’d hang out here tonight. We know you’re family, part of the community, but there are a lot of crazies out there.”

And that has been more the rule than the exception in this heavily Muslim area. Muslims, Christians and Jews live and work together. The Muslims have been–ok, I’ll use the dread term–model immigrants, starting businesses and mosques, clinging to their conservative religious practices (all the women who came to Victor’s house that evening were dressed in hejab, so their hair could not be seen, and colorful shalwar kameezes–most of the guests were immigrants from India and Pakistan). “Businessmen; strong families; conservative religious views–natural Republicans, right?” Saeed told me. “And they were, until recently. Victor still is a Republican.”

Greeting guests at Eid dinner in Detroit, Michigan. Photograph by Peter van Agtmael- Magnum for TIME


You are? I turned to Victor, who was sitting on my other side. “Well, I haven’t changed my registration, but I’m not active anymore,” he said–because of the conservative demagoguery over the so-called Ground Zero mosque, and the would-be Florida Quran burner. “I want you to see something,” he said, reaching into a drawer and showing me pictures of him shaking George W. Bush’s hand, shaking the former Michigan Republican Governor John Engler’s hand. “Ahhh, here’s the one I wanted you to see,” he said and handed me a photo of him shaking hands with Newt Gingrich. “Look at him! He’s so happy to meet us! My wife, Shaheena, was standing there with me, a hejabi woman, and he’s telling us how happy he is that we’re Republicans–and what great Americans we are. And now he’s comparing us to Nazis. Tell me what this is about?”

I don’t understand, either. I’ve known Newt for 20 years and I’ve never known him to be a bigot before. Perhaps it has something to do with politics. It certainly represents a permanent stain on what’s left of his reputation.

One of the problems with hateful demagoguery is that it begets even more hateful demagoguery–and Victor’s Eid was interrupted continually by phone calls from other Muslim leaders: one of their flock was threatening to burn an effigy of the Florida pastor on his front lawn. The media trucks were already there. How was the Muslim community to react? “We finally decided to just ignore it,” Victor said. “Our real statement is going to be tomorrow: On 9/11 you’re going to see hundreds of Muslims joining Jews and Christians in an interfaith effort to do community service in Clark Park and elsewhere. We want to build this country, not destroy it.”

That brings us to this morning. Rodney and I were off having breakfast with Terri Salas Polidori–a reader who’d extended an invitation for me to join her family’s weekly meal at a diner in Dearborn–and some of her co-workers at Statewide Disaster Restoration Co.(I’ll have more about that conversation in a later post). Meanwhile, Peter Van Agtmael, our official trip photographer, had headed over to Clark Park where he found Victor upset: a leader of one of the Christian groups had complained to the organizers about having the Muslim Imam deliver a prayer at the opening ceremony; no such prayer had been scheduled–but the complaint ran precisely counter to the spirit of the morning.

Interfaith community service on the morning of September 11 in Detroit, Michigan. Photograph by Peter van Agtmael- Magnum for TIME


Later, Rodney and I went over to Clark Park where the leaders of the community service project were distraught: Gail Katz, one of the co-leaders, said, “We really wanted to make a statement on 9/11–an interfaith statement that in Detroit we’re about working together to better the community. I mean, if you can do it in Detroit, you should be able to do it anywhere, right? But we’ve had this happen–and yes, the leader of the One by Youth group mentioned that he didn’t want the Imam to deliver a prayer. And now, with all the time and energy we put into getting this organized, if there’s a negative spin on this, it’s going to break my heart.”

I hear you, Gail. All too often we media types focus on the kerfuffle and forget about the good works. And there were significant good works going on in Detroit on this 9/11–Rodney and I drove past several parks where City Year volunteers, Muslims, Christans and a scattering of Jews (who’ll join in greater strength tomorrow after the Sabbath and Rosh Hashonah have ended) were cleaning, painting, laughing and talking. Together.

But the act of ignorance happened, too–and it’s one small example of the sort of injustices that solid citizens like Victor Begg, and several million other Muslims, are experiencing in this country right now. As we were leaving, Rodney and I constructed a conversation between Jesus and Mohammed, watching all this from heaven. “Where did I go wrong, Mo?” Jesus is saying, “Some of my followers didn’t get the ‘judge not lest ye be judged’ bit.” And Mohammed replying, “You think you’ve got problems, Jess? Three words: Osama. Bin. Laden.”

This post is part of my Election Road Trip 2010 project. To track my location across the country, and read all my road trip posts, click here.

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  • ohiolibb

    I don’t say this too often, but thank you for an excellent post, Joe. I’m glad someone has bothered to prove that most American muslims are no different from other Americans.

  • ifthethunderdontgetya

    I don’t understand, either. I’ve known Newt for 20 years and I’ve never known him to be a bigot before. Perhaps it has something to do with politics. It certainly represents a permanent stain on what’s left of his reputation.
    =====================================

    Laughing my behind off.

    Joke Line, Newt is exactly the same slimy creature he’s always been.

    Remember this?

    UPDATE III: As Digby documented at the time, “liberal MSM journalist” Joe Klein of Time Magazine also went on Hugh Hewitt’s show and did exactly what Halperin did — pleaded with Hewitt to recognize Klein as one of the Good Journalists by lavishly praising the President and the full pantheon of right-wing icons (proclaiming that Bush is an “honorable man” and “I really like the guy”; proudly showing off the affectionate nickname the President gave him; touting his deep friendship with Bill Bennett; and best of all: “I’ve always really respected Newt, because he’s a man of honor, and he is a real policy wonk, and he really cares about stuff”).

    Joke, just like Newt, you are the same slimy creature you have always been.
    ~

  • Paul-no not that one

    Really nicely written.
    .
    The republicans have done so much to push against what could be their natural constituents Latino, and as this post illustrates, Muslims.
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    It’s hard for the party to serve the important, active, door-knocking, get out the vote achieving southern white vote and at the same time grow the party.
    .
    Indeed what they are doing is reducing their party, like a stock being reduced, smaller but more intense.
    .
    Works for cooking, not so much for long term electoral success.

  • apr2563

    You have known Gingrich for 20 years and you think his hate talk may be based on politics. You think?
    How can you have known this man for 20 years and not seen the 2 faced Newt (is that a mutation) in all his glory.
    /
    Remember he is the man who thinks using language to enforce negative stereotypes is great.
    http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1276
    /
    . Forced Speaker Wright to resign over book deal while having his own unethical book deal
    . Involved in House overdraft scandal (check kiting)
    . Went after Clinton for Lewinsky affair while carrying on his own with a 23 year old employee
    . Married 3 times. Went from Baptist to Catholic while dumping wives as cruely as possible
    . Part of the reason for the govt. shutdown, he admitted, was because he thought he was snubbed by Clinton on AF One
    . Paid $300,000 fine after House reprimand
    . Suggested mass execution of drug dealers. 18 months to appeal
    . Supports waterboarding
    . Claims Obama pro-terrorist rights and most radical President in American history
    . Now a an analyst for Fox, stirring up anti-muslim hate
    /
    This is just a partial list of Newt’s career in the last 20 years.
    /
    And you are shocked that he might be a bigot?
    I agree Joe, he is probably not a bigot but will inflame bigotry and hatred at every opportunity for his own purposes. He is a meglomanic.
    The traditional media has for years extolled his intellect. Gosh he taught in college. He must be smart. They had produced a narrative about Gingrich. Tough but smart. It also made for what the political press likes best, stories about conflict with no substance.

  • Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Bah. My long comment was lost, maybe for the best, maybe the internet gods decided I needed an edit. So, in brief: Newt Gingrich is a poisonous, mean-spirited demagogue, and always has been. The question is, why do you and your credentialed brethren and sistren refuse to see him for what he is and always has been? Same question about John McCain–who has been quieter than Gingrich but shameful on this matter, and who gave the country Sarah Palin, who did so much to whip up the hate– and several others. At some point, for all your credentials and your personal relationships and ‘thirty-eight years of experience’, don’t you all have to start paying attention to your lying eyes?

  • shepherdwong

    Maybe it’s hard to give credit here because Joe is probably, as is typical, reflecting centrist Village sentiment. But, in this fairly rare instance, isn’t that a good thing?
    .
    I fear that there will be plenty of opportunity to lament how wrong he was/is, once the conversation turns back to “entitlement spending.”

  • allthingsinaname

    “I don’t understand, either. I’ve known Newt for 20 years and I’ve never known him to be a bigot before. Perhaps it has something to do with politics. It certainly represents a permanent stain on what’s left of his reputation.”
    .
    Are you serious? Really Serious? This explains what is wrong with the Press.
    .
    I think we waste our breath on you folks.

  • allthingsinaname

    I guess it is just hard to be critical of someone who you pal around with.

  • ifthethunderdontgetya

    “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!”

    -Upton Sinclair
    ===========================

    Everything you need to know about Joe, in one succinct sentence.
    ~

  • daraghmcdowell

    “I don’t understand, either. I’ve known Newt for 20 years and I’ve never known him to be a bigot before. Perhaps it has something to do with politics.”

    Wow. Just wow…

    Here’s a secret tip Joe – the Republican party has had a thing called the ‘Southern Strategy’ for decades,and it involves them being… whisper it… just a teensy bit racist every now and again.

    Joe, you write some good stuff sometimes. Honestly you do – and I don’t think the ‘Joke Line’ nickname is fair. But c’mon! You’re actually professing to not ‘understanding’ why a prominent GOP demagogue would resort to race baiting? What’s WRONG with you?

  • mikew67

    …hey, let’s just listen to Newt and the failed GOP, and go back to cut taxes / cut govt that we tried for the 3 decades of the Reagan/Bush era. In fact, let’s get ANOTHER big tax cut to the wealthiest as we did in 1981 and 2001.

    I mean, that worked SO well to deliver Trickle Down prosperity. Almost nobody is unemployed now. And the banks and oil companies and health insurers, heck – they POLICED THEMSELVES!!! Get government out of the WAY by golly!

    Abe Lincoln would have said;
    “You can fool some of the people, ALL of the time”… ;^)

    – Balkingpoints / www

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    I guess JK didn’t get a clue when Gingrich said passing the health care bill would be analogous to the mistake Johnson made when he passed the civil rights act.
    .
    Let’s face it, journalists are not very bright these days. That’s why they cling to the false illusion of bipartisanship and the simplicity of centrism. It is the best they can do and has become their obsession.

  • michaelfury

    “This is … one of the great tragedies of the Bush administration,” Gingrich continued. “The more successful they’ve been at intercepting and stopping bad guys, the less proof there is that we’re in danger. And therefore, the better they’ve done at making sure there isn’t an attack, the easier it is to say, ‘Well, there never was going to be an attack anyway.’ And it’s almost like they should every once in a while have allowed an attack to get through just to remind us.”

    http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Gingrich_Bush_should_have_allowed_attack_0529.html

    http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2010/05/20/points-of-failure/

  • allthingsinaname

    “I think one of the great problems we have in the Republican Party is that we don’t encourage you to be nasty. We encourage you to be neat, obedient, loyal and faithful and all those Boy Scout words, which would be great around a campfire but are lousy in politics. ”
    Newt Gingrich

  • http://erieangel.wordpress.com erieangel

    Newt also spoke badly of “welfare moms” even while he refused to pay alimony and child support to his second wife, forcing her onto welfare in order to feed his children.

  • http://erieangel.wordpress.com erieangel

    Newt must have said in the ’90s because, boy oh boy, the republicans sure do encourage nastiness these days. In fact, it seems as if the nastier the better.

  • uhasan8

    A Muslim man and his second son run into a Jewish man and his first son on his way to the butcher. The Jewish man greets him and asks him where he is going. The Muslim man replies that he’s going to the butchers because it is Eid ul Adha, the day where Muslims remember that God showed mercy on Abraham and rescinded his request for Abraham to sacrifice his son Ishmael. The Jewish man says “that’s wonderful and all, but it was not Ishmael but Issac.” The begin arguing and it gets heated. Meanwhile the Jewish mans first son walks over to the Muslim mans second son and says “just in case God ever changes his mind, I hope your dad is right.”

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    I see that other people have already taken care of calling out the Newt Gingrich line so I can proceed to the part where I thank Joe for his otherwise good intentions. One of the first legacies that came in the aftermath of 9-11 was the slogan ‘United We Stand’. It appears that many of our fellow countryman have forgotten what the ‘We’ means in that context.

  • apr2563

    I think the comparison to the presses narrative regarding McCain is certainly appropriate.

  • apr2563

    Wouln’t you think that someone who has known Gingrich for 20 years would be aware of what a scum he is?

  • apr2563

    I appreciated Joe’s report on the Muslims he met and the support he is giving them.
    However, until he and the rest of the traditional media make a united stand and call out the fear mongers on Fox and hate radio, and those politicians who are exploiting 9/11, I don’t take them seriously.
    Where is the Murrow to call these demagogues out?

  • apr2563

    Joe, your posting is appreciated. Your grace with the Muslims you visited is praiseworthy.
    .
    But, where is the Murrow among you and your fellow journalists that will call out the fear mongers on Fox, hate radio, and among exploitive politicians? I don’t think Murrow was surprised by the venality of McCarthy or HUAC and politicians and radio personalities that supported them.
    .
    Maybe living through the London blitz made him more aware of real dangers and distainful of demagogues. It may have made him braver and he certainly lost his job by calling out the injustice he saw.
    .
    Think about it Joe. Who is spinning the hate?

  • apr2563

    Didn’t mean to post this point twice. My mind has been out of control since the name of Gingrich came forward.

  • 3xfire3

    It looks like Joe and the rest of you are having real Liberal/Progressive Lovefest.
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    I would suspect that if we peel the onion a little we would find every negative comment you guys and gals have made about Newt are lies. None substantiated by real proof. Only your hatred for anyone who is not a liberal.
    .
    I also suspect the Nazi comment has been taken out of context for political purposes. That’s how you people normally work.
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    But “The End Justifies The Mean”. It OK to lie, cheat, steal or anything else if you’re a Liberal. The end is so “Grand” that it’s worth being dishonest to achieve it.
    .
    When Newt used the term Nazi he was referring to “Radical Islam” not all Moslems.
    .
    Why do you Liberals have to take his comment out of context and lie about it?
    Have you no honesty?
    .

  • apr2563

    3x..Take some time to study Newt’s history. It is very dishonorable. When you put the word Nazi into your rhetoric you know you are inflaming people. Do some research. Some people are just not worthy of defense. Try not to be a knee jerk Conservative. We have demons on the left and you have demons on the right.

  • sacredh

    “Why is this Newt Smiling?”

    Because he spotted another future potential Mrs. Newt?

    I’m with apr2563 on this. He dumped a wife for a younger woman while she was fighting cancer. The term “the banality of evil” comes to mind when I think of Newt.

  • apr2563

    Also, was missing on child support and spousal support for his first wife. According to his second wife, he came to her and told her he needed a “Chevrolet” rather than a “Jaguar” (whatever the h*ll that means) and was considering a trade in. However, she might consider just letting him continue the affair. This was when he was a Baptist, before he became a Catholic. Is that ok with Baptists?
    .
    Was there ever a better name for a person?
    Newt>Lizard
    How any reasonable Republican can defend this product of pond scum is beyond me.
    .
    I get a little carried away by Newt but I think he is symptomatic of the worst of the right. He has no real beliefs. Newt wants power and attention at any cost.

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    Why is this guy lecturing anyone about hate, other than it being a simple case of self projection?. There is hardly a post on this board, by our friends on the right, that does not express hatred toward liberals.

  • kathy

    I think @allthings has it right: when you know someone and they are genial and kind and respectful to you, it’s hard to imagine they could be so otherwise to other people. Since we commenters don’t know Newt personally, the vindictiveness and pettiness that has always been there have always been clear to us.

    I wish some American network would pick up “little Mosque on the Prairie,” a Canadian sitcom that follows a group of Muslims as they struggle with how to be faithful, all the while dealing with the temptations of life in North America. It seems just a wee bit earnest to me, but then I get the idea that Muslims may be more attuned to the contradictions between their faith and the fatuous, materialistic lives most of us lead, than most Christians are. At any rate, it’s a worthy if rather tame program that might give a lot of Islamophobic Americans a better picture of the reality their neighbors live.

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    “Some women who were raped at the US’s Abu Ghraib prison facility in Iraq were later “honor killed” by their families, says a Jordanian reporter who writes on women’s issues.

    “In Abu Ghraib, women were tortured by the Americans much more than the men,” Lima Nabil told The Independent. “One woman said she witnessed five girls being raped. Most of the women in the prison were raped – some of them left prison pregnant. Families killed some of these women – because of the shame.”

    Nabil, who has reported extensively on the status of women in the Arab world and runs a home for runaway girls, made the comments to renowned foreign correspondent Robert Fisk in an article on honor killings in Jordan. Nabil did not expand on her comments in the article.

    Fisk reported that a “very accurate source in Washington” in close contact with military personnel has confirmed “terrible stories of gang rape” by US forces at the now-notorious prison.

    The unnamed source told Fisk that images of women being raped were behind the Obama administration’s decision not to release any more pictures of abuses at Abu Ghraib. The original set of images, showing male prisoners being abused, were released in 2004, horrifying and angering the Arab world.”

    Journalist: Women raped at Abu Ghraib were later ‘honor killed’

  • sevenoaks07

    Have been keeping an eye on Swampland from the UK. Based here now. Joe spoiled a very good piece by injecting Newt and professing surprise at finding a rotten apple. Something in Washington’s water makes people forgetful? Or is access all important. Anyway, the anti-Muslim sentiment here and in France is also an issue. While on a visit to Berlin I found some pretty strong animus against “immigrants: – mainly Turks.

  • daraghmcdowell

    Gosh, why do people keep thinking Newt is engaging in racist politics? It really is puzzling…

    http://thepage.time.com/excerpts-from-gingrich-interview-with-national-review/

  • Ivy_B

    Not merely a bigot – also detailed in this article – but utterly dishonorable and dishonest. I know others have mentioned, but I’m with apr – the man should get off the public stage.

    In the twelve years since he resigned in defeat and disgrace, he has been carefully plotting his return to power. As 2012 approaches, he has raised as much money as all of his potential rivals combined and sits atop the polls for the Republican presidential nomination.

    Read more: http://www.esquire.com/features/newt-gingrich-0910#ixzz0zJxz0Sdo

    And, the Cliff Notes guide to the marriages.

    http://www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/2010/08/an-unabridged-guide-to-all-of-newt-gingrichs-wives.html

  • kevin

    Newt didn’t simply dump his first wife while she was fighting cancer, he served her the divorce papers in the cancer ward, as she was still coming out from the anesthesia from surgery to have a uterine tumor removed. (That first wife, by the way, was his high school math teacher whom he started dating when he was 16. When he divorced her, he told her she wasn’t “pretty enough to be a first lady.”)
    .
    After marrying the mistress, Newt then cheated on her too. Right when Newt was lambasting Clinton for having an affair with an intern, he was having an affair with an intern himself.
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    So now he’s on wife #3 and, given his track record, probably nailing wife #4 as we speak.
    .
    If you haven’t read the Esquire interview with Wife #2, be sure to check it out:
    .
    http://www.esquire.com/features/newt-gingrich-0910

  • kevin

    Here’s more of Newt’s insanity:
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    “What if [Obama] is so outside our comprehension, that only if you understand Kenyan, anti-colonial behavior, can you begin to piece together [his actions]?” Gingrich asks. “That is the most accurate, predictive model for his behavior.”
    .
    “This is a person who is fundamentally out of touch with how the world works, who happened to have played a wonderful con, as a result of which he is now president,” Gingrich tells us.
    .
    “I think he worked very hard at being a person who is normal, reasonable, moderate, bipartisan, transparent, accommodating — none of which was true,” Gingrich continues. “In the Alinksy tradition, he was being the person he needed to be in order to achieve the position he needed to achieve . . . He was authentically dishonest.”
    ….
    “I think Obama gets up every morning with a worldview that is fundamentally wrong about reality,” Gingrich says. “If you look at the continuous denial of reality, there has got to be a point where someone stands up and says that this is just factually insane.”

    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/246302/gingrich-obama-s-kenyan-anti-colonial-worldview-robert-costa
    .
    What a f#cking a$$hole.

  • Ivy_B

    I just read a post by Peter Daou on that interview. As Daou comments, let’s see if there are any consequences of his saying this. Do you think the people who pumped the news cycle for days with the “lipstick on a pig” inanaity will notice?
    .

    Gingrich is a major Republican figure and he is flatly stating that the President of the United States is neither normal nor reasonable, that he may follow a “Kenyan, anti-colonial” worldview. Let’s see whether there are consequences beyond this news cycle.

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    http://peterdaou.com/2010/09/gingrich-obama-may-follow-a-kenyan-anti-colonial-worldview/

  • michaelfury

    “Osama. Bin. Laden.”

    Who?

    “The truth is, there is no Islamic army or terrorist group called Al Qaeda. And any informed intelligence officer knows this. But there is a propaganda campaign to make the public believe in the presence of an identified entity representing the ‘devil’ only in order to drive the TV watcher to accept a unified international leadership for a war against terrorism. The country behind this propaganda is the US…”

    - late British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook

    http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2010/03/08/the-talented-mr-pearlman/

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    Gringrich implies that Obama is not American, probably because he is black, adopts colonialism as a good thing and pretends that he understand what reality is. He seems to be on a personal crusade to torpedo whatever ambitions he has to be president, even though these positions will make him very popular in the Republican Tea Party.

  • kevin

    Yeah, and Newt was the one who changed it. Check out the memo he distributed to Republicans in 1996, instructing them on how to treat their political opponents.
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    Often we search hard for words to define our opponents. Sometimes we are hesitant to use contrast. Remember that creating a difference helps you.
    .
    These are powerful words that can create a clear and easily understood contrast. Apply these to the opponent, their record, proposals and their party.
    .
    * abuse of power
    * anti- (issue): flag, family, child, jobs
    * betray
    * bizarre
    * bosses
    * bureaucracy
    * cheat
    * coercion
    * “compassion” is not enough
    * collapse(ing)
    * consequences
    * corrupt
    * corruption
    * criminal rights
    * crisis
    * cynicism
    * decay
    * deeper
    * destroy
    * destructive
    * devour
    * disgrace
    * endanger
    * excuses
    * failure (fail)
    * greed
    * hypocrisy
    * ideological
    * impose
    * incompetent
    * insecure
    * insensitive
    * intolerant
    * liberal
    * lie
    * limit(s)
    * machine
    * mandate(s)
    * obsolete
    * pathetic
    * patronage
    * permissive attitude
    * pessimistic
    * punish (poor …)
    * radical
    * red tape
    * self-serving
    * selfish
    * sensationalists
    * shallow
    * shame
    * sick
    * spend(ing)
    * stagnation
    * status quo
    * steal
    * taxes
    * they/them
    * threaten
    * traitors
    * unionized
    * urgent (cy)
    * waste
    * welfare

    .
    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4443.htm

  • kevin

    Setting aside the dogwhistle racism of hinting that Obama is a dirty secret Kenyan, there’s also Newt’s bizarre point that being “anti-colonial” is somehow bad.
    .
    Someone should tell Newt about a little thing called “the American Revolution” which was, at heart, an anti-colonial enterprise. We were a colony, and we rebelled against our colonial masters.
    .
    I’m a little puzzled as to what good Newt sees in colonialism, but then again, I’ve never spooned with him like Joe Klein, so what do I know?

  • Paul-no not that one

    Newt has his direct to video movie coming out so he says crazy things to get attention.
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    Just as he “thinks about running for president” when he has a book to hawk.
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    Why people fall for it I have no idea.

  • edtitan77

    Joe Klein is exactly why I have repudiated liberalism. Who is he to tell Americans how they should act? Why doesn’t he ask his Muslim hosts why are their coreligionists engaged in conflict with people the world over?

    Go over some of the Koranic teachings that implores followers to kill infidel.

  • kevin

    And his media enablers will rationalize it that way:
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    “Well, you know, I’ve personally known Newt for a long time, and I know he doesn’t really believe the president is a Kenyan sleeper agent. This is all just rhetorical excess, something he has to do if he wants to be competitive in the Republican primaries. Really, it’s smart politics when you think about it. You have to admire it.”
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    “Meanwhile, in other news, some lunatic burned a mosque today. I just don’t know where these extremists get their outrageous ideas from.”

  • kristiia

    This was really a bad day for Joe to come out and say he’s never known Newt to be a bigot:

    ‘Gingrich: Obama’s ‘Kenyan, anti-colonial’ worldview

    September 11, 2010 10:52 P.M. By Robert Costa

    Citing a recent Forbes article by Dinesh D’Souza, former House speaker Newt Gingrich tells National Review Online that President Obama may follow a “Kenyan, anti-colonial” worldview.
    Gingrich says that D’Souza has made a “stunning insight” into Obama’s behavior — the “most profound insight I have read in the last six years about Barack Obama.”

    “What if (Obama) is so outside our comprehension, that only if you understand Kenyan, anti-colonial behavior, can you begin to piece together (his actions)?” Gingrich asks. “That is the most accurate, predictive model for his behavior.”

    “This is a person who is fundamentally out of touch with how the world works, who happened to have played a wonderful con, as a result of which he is now president,” Gingrich tells us.

    “I think he worked very hard at being a person who is normal, reasonable, moderate, bipartisan, transparent, accommodating — none of which was true,” Gingrich continues. “In the Alinksy tradition, he was being the person he needed to be in order to achieve the position he needed to achieve . . . He was authentically dishonest.”

    -snip-
    “I think Obama gets up every morning with a worldview that is fundamentally wrong about reality,” Gingrich says. “If you look at the continuous denial of reality, there has got to be a point where someone stands up and says that this is just factually insane.”’

    I swear Newt is trying to break a record of some kind for being morally repugnant.

  • http://ThePentecostalReport.Blogspot.com Rev. Elder Marty Wright

    I am a resident of the Detroit area. I am an evangelical Christian that lives in an area known as “little Iraq.” This means that a good percentage of the people in the area are Iraqi immigrants that have chosen to take up residence in this neighborhood. What is interesting also is that this neighborhood also has a large conservative Jewish community. However, there has never, to my knowledge, been any backlash or bigotry to any one group: Christians, Muslims, or Jews.

    In fact, right after 9/11, the Iraqi people in this area appeared to go out of their way to “prove” how American they were by being the first folks to fly American flags on their homes, and offering “patriotic memoribilia” in their shops.

    Religious bigotry and racism certainly show in this go-round.

  • sacredh

    Joe, I enjoyed the part of your article about the Muslim community. They have many of the same goals and aspirations that everyone else has. They also have been put in a position of having to continually “prove” their loyalty to those that ignore any proof. Why on earth would they ever abandon a party that targets them for political gain?
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    Newt is the racing stripe on the back of white underwear. He may think it’s Gucci, but we recognize it for the sh!t stain that it is.

  • kevin

    Why don’t you go ask your Catholic friends why their coreligionists are raping children? I mean, 9/11 was the work of a group of lone extremists, but that scandal was covered up by the Catholic Church at the highest level.
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    Why don’t you go ask your Protestant friends why their coreligionists burned women at the stake? Or why they’ve been engaged in conflict with Catholics in Northern Ireland?
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    Why don’t you go ask your Jewish friends why their coreligionists in Israel have been engaged in conflict with people the world over?
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    And then go over some of the Old Testament teachings that implore followers to kill children and women who are disobedient.

  • kevin

    More and more, extremist goes mainstream in today’s GOP. Newt’s just trying to keep up:

    A man who has said the government should not allow any mosques to be built in America and compared American Muslims to neo-Nazis is scheduled to speak at the Values Voter Summit in Washington next week, alongside Mitt Romney, Mike Huckabee and Newt Gingrich, among other prominent Republicans.
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    Bryan Fischer, the director of issues analysis for the American Family Association, a Christian activist group that’s among the event’s co-sponsors, will be a featured speaker at the summit. In addition to the strident anti-Islamic positions above, Fischer has advocated for the deportation of American Muslims and a halt to future Muslim immigration into the United States.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20100910/pl_yblog_upshot/anti-muslim-speaker-to-join-romney-gingrich-on-stage

  • sacredh

    The Bible also says that “Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live”. That’s the trouble with taking old books seriously that were written hundreds or thousands of years ago. They all contain some pretty crazy stuff.

  • sharongregg

    I would like to thank Mr. Klein for his road trip and his effort to connect with Americans. I am an accountant in Albuquerque, NM, a single mom trying to raise my son in these difficult times. I see the effects of our failing economy, unemployment, foreclosures, bankruptcies, student drop-outs, up close every day – and the fear and anger that is resulting. Keep up the good work: America needs to hear the real story.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Having, also, known Muslims years before 9/11 in jobs I had, I know that Muslims have “Christian” family values and were, on social issues, dying to vote Republican.
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    The similarity between conservative Christians and Muslims is uncanny, but, in their brilliance [note sarcasm] Republicans have done everything in their power to push Muslims away and into the Democratic Party.
    .
    The best line in the article came from the Eid Dinner saying that fear is a big industry now and nobody knows how to stop it.
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    Irrational fear is what today’s Republican Party thrives on. Fear of government regulation, fear of labor unions and fear of overwhelming taxation are the economic agenda – with the required trust of “too big to fail” near monopoly sized corporations being the end result. Fear of Immigrants, Islam, gays and non-whites is the social policy.
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    BTW: I am a white, heterosexual atheist. Having lived in urban areas my entire adult life, I know that learning of one’s religion, ethnicity, race and orientation tells you nothing about their personal character and the only I have to fear is what Republicans can do to this country.

  • allthingsinaname

    I have to say that hating the haters hasn’t gotten us very far. Just thinking.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “I would suspect that if we peel the onion a little we would find every negative comment you guys and gals have made about Newt are lies.”
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    3X,
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    This is why people call you a “wingnut”.
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    You go on to say,
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    “But “The End Justifies The Mean”. It OK to lie, cheat, steal or anything else if you’re a Liberal. The end is so “Grand” that it’s worth being dishonest to achieve it.”
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    You start out saying that you have a suspicion, but no proof that lies are said about Gingrich, but, then go on to use this unfounded suspicion to claim that “liberals” (defined by you as people who would vote for a Democrat – which is just about half of the US at any given moment in time).
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    You would be more tolerable if you said,
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    “But if this is a lie, I believe that for your half of the political spectrum “The End Justifies The Mean”. I suspect that you believe it is OK to lie, cheat, steal or anything else if you’re a Liberal. I suspect that you believe that the end is so “Grand” that it’s worth being dishonest to achieve it.”
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    Then, one has to ask, on what basis do these suspicions come from when people posting here again and again show links to news articles – including ones Gingrich himself is interviewed in?
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    Do you believe that Newt was married only once?
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    Do you believe that he did not pay fines for ethical misconduct?
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    Do you believe that he was lying when he said that he cheated on his wives?
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    I believe you are, although not as viscous as people like Freeinpa, Rusty and, to a lesser extent, Earl, absurdly closed minded such that economic data, polls, articles including interviews and scientific facts have no impact on you whatsoever.
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    Personally, I believe you are one of those people who, in theory (and I do not believe this would happen, of course) if one of the far right’s heroes like Gingrich, Palin, GWB or Dan Quayle were shown on live TV shooting an unarmed person in the head at point blank range you would find some reason to say it was self defense and that it was Liberals fault.
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    Then you have the nerve to call Liberals closed minded.
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    Damn, 3X, this is what a psychologist would call “projecting”.

  • Art Pepper

    I don’t understand, either.

    I bet you also pine for the days when John McCain was a “maverick.”

    This is somehow quintessential Klein. He says something that’s right but also fairly obvious: Americans should not be religious bigots. I guess in today’s climate that counts as a morally courageous position.

    Then he follows with some naive BS about how Newt Gingrich is not really a dispicable person despite his many years of acting dispicably.

  • sacredh

    OT, but I’ve had a sore throat and a mild fever for the last three days. All I can eat is ice cream and soup. I was heading up the steps this morning to get a cup of tea and honey and heard the MIL close the door. She was heading out to church. The empty ice cream container and the empty can of the last can of chicken soup was in the kitchen garbage. She’d eaten the last of both. I grabbed some tomatoes off the kitchen counter and ran for the front door. I managed to nail her windshield, driver’s side window and rear driver panel before she made it to the road. I only had on a pair of boxers.

  • apr2563

    kathy, Joe is a journalist. It is his job to know the political Gingrich. If he lets a personal relationship allow him to ignore the facts, then he should not be a reporter.

  • apr2563

    Derek: How do we ever attone for what we caused in our “holy” war?

  • http://elvisberg.wordpress.com Elvis Elvisberg

    Today there is nothing– literally nothing– to the GOP beyond the Southern Strategy. Unless you count “government revenue must be reduced regardless of context” as a policy preference, the modern GOP has no policy views, only tribalism.
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    It hasn’t always been this bad.

  • apr2563

    Reverend: Thank you for your testament.

  • http://elvisberg.wordpress.com Elvis Elvisberg

    Because of their history of slavery and segregation, whites should not build churches in the South.
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    I hope you can see the absurdity of this statement.
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    Collective blame– holding every member of a group responsible for the worst actions of any of its members– is the very definition of bigotry.
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    Newt Gingrich is a bigot. Bigotry against Muslims is part of our discourse because of people like Newt Gingrich.

  • allthingsinaname

    But Apr this was my original thought; to assume that Kathy or myself said anything different is wrong. Kathy has posted enough and, I have posted enough for everyone to know where we stand. Lecture Joe, not us.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    I guess your MIL wants to get her money’s worth from her church.
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    That is, you go to a church to repent for your misdeeds.
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    So, I guess she torments you to make sure she has something to repent to, otherwise she wouldn’t be getting her money’s worth.
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    You may not make the case (nor want to) against marriage at all, but, you do make a sound case against having in-laws.
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    If it were 500 feet rather than 500 miles, Sacred, I’d bring you some soup and ice cream myself.

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    We could elect a liberal government that believes in the rule of law and make sure these war criminals pay for their crimes.
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    Oh wait, never mind.

  • apr2563

    http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_09/025625.php
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    Newt hates America. He thinks President Obama is anti-colonialist. Guess he forgot we fought a war against colonialism called the Revolutionary War.
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    Kevin supplied us some of the Newts words. Let’s use them.
    Newt is:
    bizarre, corrupt, cynical, destructive, a disgrace, hypocritical, incompetent, a liar, intolerant, obsolete, pathetic, shallow, and a traitor.
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    Newt is busy trying to sell his products but he just becomes more irrelevant.

  • Paul-no not that one

    Throwing tomatoes at a car wearing only boxers?
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    May I call you Cletus?
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    Hope you feel better soon. Maybe offer her a nice (germ infected) kiss as a way of making amends?

  • apr2563

    Telling the truth about someone is not hating them.

  • shepherdwong

    The fact that the Village scribes, certainly Klein (see: Pete Hoekstra), have been fully in bed with increasingly noxious, mendacious Republican swine for the past thirty years, is hardly lost on me. The point is, in this instance, Klein is repudiating one of them. Joe has certainly earned himself some legitimate grudges from liberals but let’s at least acknowledge when he does the right thing.

  • 3xfire3

    I think it’s time to get everyone’s heads out of the clouds and look at Reality.
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    What’s really going on out there with the Voters?
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    What changes will November bring to our country?
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    Not what Joe and his Liberal/Progressive friends are hoping and praying will happen.
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    Sinking With Obama, Democrats Plan Political Triage
    .
    A Commentary by Michael Barone
    Friday, September 10, 2010
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    When you spot the word “triage” in a political news story, you know someone is in trouble.
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    Triage is the procedure by which medical personnel screening people injured in combat or disasters separate those who can be saved from those who can’t. The first group is given immediate surgery in hopes of recovery.
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    The second is given painkillers to make the end bearable.
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    So it was startling to read last weekend in The New York Times that House Democratic leaders “are preparing a brutal triage of their own members in hopes of saving enough seats to keep a slim grip on the majority.”
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    For in the last week the bad news has been flooding in on congressional Democrats. On the generic ballot question, the realclearpolitics.com average of recent polls showed that 49 percent said they would vote for the Republican candidate for the House and 41 percent said they would vote for the Democrat.
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    To put these results in perspective, consider that before last month Gallup had never shown Republicans leading by more than 6 percent since it began asking the question in 1942. Now they lead by as much as 13 percent in some polls.

    .And consider also that the generic ballot question has tended to under-predict actual Republican performance in five of the last six House elections.
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    Republicans need to gain 39 seats for a House majority. The professional analysts see it happening: Larry Sabato puts the number at 47, Stuart Rothenberg at 37 to 42, Charlie Cook at 40.
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    These are cautious prognosticators who evaluate candidates for every seat. No wonder Politico’s Mike Allen wrote yesterday that “the sky is falling” for the Democrats.
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    Is all this just a response to a sputtering economy? Political scientist Alan Abramowitz, on a panel with Sabato and me at the American Political Science Association conference last weekend, said he thought so. I disagreed.
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    I think what we’re seeing is a rejection of the Obama Democrats’ big-government policies. The president and his party thought that in times of economic distress most voters would be supportive of or at least amenable to a vast expansion of the size and scope of government.
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    They jammed the Senate version of their health care bill through the House in March, in the face of the clear opposition signaled by the voters of Massachusetts as well as every public opinion poll.
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    Today, House Democrats have more money than their opponents and, unlike 1994, they’ve known for months that they might be in peril. They know that Republicans remain unpopular and hoped their own numbers would improve. But instead they’re plunging to historic depths. Time for triage.

  • 53_3

    Joe:
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    ifthethunderdontgetya is absolutely right!
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    I’ve been on Swampland and political bb’s elsewhere during the Dark Days of the GOP.
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    I watched your attitude toward bigotry, and the expression thereof, evolve from your pre-Imus days, in which, for some reason, you felt it was somehow someones’ right to fling racial epithets without ever suffering the consequences.
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    I watched you wise up, but I think that you still have a very thick pair of colored glasses through which you view the GOP in regards to race.
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    I won’t indulge in violating Godwin’s law, but you must remember that the hateful rhetoric in the GOP prior to 1995 (Newt was a part of it!) gave Timothy McVeigh, and innumerable other right wing crackpots since then, a certain level of legitimacy that they then used to justify the killings, bombings, and mayhem they committed.
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    In Newt, you are smelling the hideous stench of your own party’s history.
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    Be a man Joe and accept that the GOP is still waiting to be held accountable…

  • balaamish

    Thank you, patricksartor, you’re dead right (16.3).

  • apr2563

    My question to Republicans is will you be proud of winning elections based on fear mongering and hate language?
    I know that this has been the Republican fall back position since the McCarthy era but I always hope someone will come forward (and survive) who will be a conservative leader that wins on facts and not demagogery.
    I can respect conservative philosphy on economics, although not agree with them. But, I can never respect their debasement of the political process.

  • patrickf1234

    I am really surprised that Joe Klein gives so much credibility to Newt Gingrich.

    Where has Joe been? Newt has been using hate and fear for many years. This is how he gathers votes.

    A few years back…on FOX…that cable station which pursues truth, he stated: “I think there is a gay and secular fascism in this country that wants to impose its will on the rest of us, is prepared to use violence, to use harassment. I think it is prepared to use the government if it can get control of it. I think that it is a very dangerous threat to anybody who believes in traditional religion.”

    Being gay, and rather opinionated myself when it comes to rights for everybody in America, I have never encountered one gay person espousing fascism or violence in pursuit of rights. (Now I am sure that there must be one or two out there somewhere, but it’s funny: I haven’t met one. Yet Newt thinks there is “a gay secular fascism in this country…”

    Why does Newt get covered by any upstanding media?

  • patrickf1234

    I am really surprised that Joe Klein gives so much credibility to Newt Gingrich.

    Where has Joe been? Newt has been using hate and fear for many years. This is how he gathers votes.

    A few years back…on FOX…that cable station which pursues truth, he stated: “I think there is a gay and secular fascism in this country that wants to impose its will on the rest of us, is prepared to use violence, to use harassment. I think it is prepared to use the government if it can get control of it. I think that it is a very dangerous threat to anybody who believes in traditional religion.”

    Being gay, and rather opinionated myself when it comes to rights for everybody in America, I have never encountered one gay person espousing fascism or violence in pursuit of rights. (Now I am sure that there must be one or two out there somewhere, but it’s funny: I haven’t met one. Yet Newt thinks there is “a gay secular fascism in this country…”

    Now, being anti- Muslim can garner more votes for him.

    Why does Newt get covered by any upstanding media?

  • fhmadvocat

    Remember when everyone was predicting the end of Bill Clinton in 1994? Remember the Democrats giving up control of the House for the first time in a generation?

    Frankly, a Republican victory in 2010 would guarantee an Obama re-election in 2012. People would see Obama as a counter-weight to Republicans in Congress. As far as your polls showing more voters supporting Republicans, well these same voters, when asked to name who to “blame” for the bad economy, blame Republicans more than Democrats. While Obama has a 40% approval rating, there are two groups who have an even lower approval rating, Congressional Democrats and Congressional Republicans is even worse.

    Do I see much change after November? Well, not much. If the Republicans win, there will be gridlock, and they will not be able to do much, other than to block Obama’s agenda. Heck, they were able to block much of it by having 40 votes in the Senate.

    Do the Republicans have a plan? If they do, please let me know. More tax cuts for the rich. Wow, now there’s a plan. What about the budget deficit? I am still waiting for them to explain how they plan to lower that with a decrease in revenue. Cuts in government spending? Please, where was the decease in spending during the years they controlled both houses of Congress and the White House? It is easy to talk about cutting government spending, it is a whole another can of tuna to actually do it.

    I hate to break it to you, fire, but when it comes to government spending, we Americans like our “Socialism”. Bush and the Republicans have tried to reform Social Security for years, only to get spanked at election time. The Republicans will try to appeal Obamacare. Once they are in control, Americans will find they like most of the individual parts (other than mandatory coverage) and so the Republicans will “reform” Obamacare. Yada, yada, yada.

    So as a Liberal, I am looking forward to November. I can’t wait for the Republicans to win and actually try to pass legislation. I can’t what for those who were supported by the TEA party actually get into office and find that cutting government spending looks a lot easier outside of Congress rather than in it. I can’t wait for people to realize there is a reason Repubicans were voted out the last time.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    3X,
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    Regarding Triage, I am glad to know that for emergency reasons nor going without health care neither you nor your family, apparently, have been in an urban emergency room.
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    All of them, today, have triage, but not as dramatic as the wartime ones you speak of.
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    About two thirds of the people going into emergency rooms today do so for themselves or their children due to lack of insurance with issues such as cold, flu, ear infection, stomach virus and so on. These are the ones with the four to six hour wait to see a doctor.
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    The next are sprains, brakes and painful but not life threatening emergencies.
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    The true emergencies which involve blood loss, people loosing consciousness, people unable to breathe – life and death things, bypass Triage for the regular ER.
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    You cheer on a potential Republican victory, but, seem to be unaware what civil Triage is in modern hospitals nor that it is the means where the uninsured have, through “free” care paid for by you, the insured, in the form of $20 aspirins and all kinds of heavy fees to pay for the costs of handling GP work in the Emergency room downstairs boosting your health insurance.
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    You use an ironic example because the moment I think of the word “triage” I think of a time when I lacked health care insurance sitting in an ER with an ear ache, surrounded by people either alone or with their children who had things like strep throat, pneumonia and other non-emergency ailments wishing I had health care insurance and knowing that I would never even consider starting a family without it.

  • Art Pepper

    OT: AP reports that Boehner caved and now supports middle-class tax cuts.

  • 3xfire3

    Derek,
    .
    “Some women who were raped at the US’s Abu Ghraib prison facility in Iraq were later “honor killed” by their families, says a Jordanian reporter who writes on women’s issues.”

    “In Abu Ghraib, women were tortured by the Americans much more than the men,” Lima Nabil told The Independent. “One woman said she witnessed five girls being raped. Most of the women in the prison were raped – some of them left prison pregnant. Families killed some of these women – because of the shame.”
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    If what you say was true there would be several major USA Media sources confirming that this actually happened.
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    Do you have a major USA Media source confirming what you have said or are you simply passing on propaganda in order to make your country look bad?

  • 3xfire3

    Derek and the Rest of the Out of Context Liberals.
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    Gringrich implies that Obama is not American, probably because he is black, adopts colonialism as a good thing and pretends that he understand what reality is.
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    I am always amazed at the ignorance of liberals on this site.
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    You take comments out of Context and build stories based on lies and try to pass them of as truth.
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    One of you starts the “story of lies” and then you all jump in to condemn the evil conservative you have all just lied about.
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    And you wonder why only 20% of our citizens believe you have any credibility.
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    As Paul Harvey would say “and the rest of the story is”.
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    The part of Newt’s comments you conveniently left out was that Obama’s Grandfather, during Kenya’s fight for independence from Britain, was arrested and sent to prison by the British. The British were the Colonial Power in Kenya.
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    The story goes that Barack’s grandfather was tortured by the British while he was in prison. When he was released he showed the signs of sever injuries.
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    The theory was that this torturing of his grandfather caused Obama to have a deep seated dislike for the British.
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    When he became President he removed the statue of Winston Churchill that was in the Oval Office and sent it back to Britain. This had been a gift from Britain.
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    So the story goes that this mistreatment of his grandfather may have had an effect on his world views.
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    You will notice from Newt’s comment that he did not say it effected Obama’s world view, he said
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    “What if [Obama] is so outside our comprehension, that only if you understand Kenyan, anti-colonial behavior, can you begin to piece together [his actions]?” Gingrich asks.”
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    It was a question, not a statement.
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    As I have said many times, out of context statements are not Truth they are Lies.

    .

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Do you have a major USA Media source confirming what you have said or are you simply passing on propaganda in order to make your country look bad?”
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    No, that is what Republicans do.
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    Canada, England, France, Germany, Ireland, Switzerland… all other developed countries in the world outside of the US have successful National Health Care, but, you love calling Americans such extreme idiots that we can never be as good as Italy, Belgium, Japan, Korea or Turkey and provide well for our own citizens.
    .
    He has a link to the story, so, if you will stop being blind to facts, Mr Magoo, it is right there for you to see.
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    (Don’t forget, Mr. Magoo was a nice guy – just as blind as a bat and didn’t realize it, just like you being blind to in-your-face obvious facts – I could do far, far worse than Mr. Magoo, but do believe that you have some honest desire to learn.)

  • sacredh

    “Throwing tomatoes at a car wearing only boxers?”
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    I admit, it does sound a little bit on the white trash side. You may call me Cletus, but you also have to call me accurate. I was three for three with the tomatoes. If her driver’s side window had been down, she’d have taken one upside the head. She called my wife before she left church for home to b!tch about it and my wife insisted she stop and buy me ice cream and soup. I’m going to call the drs office as soon as they open in the morning to see if he can fit me in before I go to work.
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    @patrick, before she moved in I really liked her. However, you have no idea what a person is actually like until you live with them. She acts totally different when company is around. She was asleep when I got home this an hour ago. I reset her alarm clock for 4 am and turned the volume all the way up. I haven’t done that for months. I’m slipping.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “The story goes that Barack’s grandfather was tortured by the British while he was in prison. When he was released he showed the signs of sever injuries.
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    The theory was that this torturing of his grandfather caused Obama to have a deep seated dislike for the British.”
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    In the 1840s and 1850s all of Ireland was left for dead by the English colonizers, but the Newt is not saying the same thing about Biden, the late Kennedys, Hannity or O’Rielly.
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    Being American, not Kenyan, my friend is what makes a person anti-colonial. It is true patriotism as a former colony who had rebelled by force which makes us anti-colonial.
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    If the Newt wants to be around people who are less anti-colonial he can always go to Canada (where he would be too far right wing to be elected dog catcher, of course, but, you will find a more tolerant view of English colonialism, at least in theory.)

  • sacredh

    I was going to type “this morning” and evidently changed course in midstream. An hour ago is accurate. Goodnight folks.

  • allthingsinaname

    Naw apr it has been going further than that. The emphases seems to be on the GOP and what they are or are not doing.
    >
    The message is constantly negative. Hard to tell the difference.
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    There message is negative and ours is negative. They scream louder that is all.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “However, you have no idea what a person is actually like until you live with them.”
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    Well, when it comes to marriage, as I told you, I err far on the side of caution. My cousin who just married two weeks ago was living with this man for eight years. Neither of them are religious, so, we all know why there are wedding bells. In about ten months to a year they are going to have children.
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    Did you ever see a couple so happy it makes you feel a little sorry for yourself?
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    They are like that – just fit together well.
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    Lesson learned from you: beware of in-laws.

  • apr2563

    When conservatives do something positive, I will be the first to acknowledge the fact. The other day I wrote about an interview of Mike Castle, Rep from DE, and how charming he was. In my long life there have been Reps that I respected. There are very few anymore. Show me a conservative commentator that has anything positive to say about a liberal.
    And, by the way, Republicans certainly do have a larger megaphone than Dems, but they are also expodentially more corrupt and unethical in their campaigns.

  • herby002

    3x…

    Do you even click on any of the URLs that others post here to back up their quotes, or do you automatically just go into defensive mode, stating that the quotes are taken “out of context” without reading the EXACT WORDS IN CONTEXT in the articles quoted?


    (Waiting for the response: I am not defensive. All the URLs are liberal-allied, so I don’t have to look at them to know that they are corrupted by Soros-backed “donations”.)

  • herby002

    Art,

    Where can I see that? He never said that he was against middle-class tax cuts. He has been vehement in favor of continuing the tax cuts for the Repub millionaires/billionaires, in addition to the middle-class slobs that the rest of us aspire to become.

    If he’s “caved” it means he has redefined “middle-class taxpayers” to mean over $250,000. THAT he can support.

  • herby002

    patrick…

    “Irrational fear is what today’s Republican Party thrives on. Fear of government regulation, fear of labor unions and fear of *ANY* taxation are the economic agenda – with the…”

    Fixed it.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    True.
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    Even if taxes go up to a level far lower than any any other industrialized country, no matter how much of a service is being provided for that kind of tax money (some programs like road and infrastructure among others in reality nearly push consumer’s money into businesses pockets by making transporting goods to people or making it far easier for people to get to where the stores are) the right wing screams bloody murder.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “There message is negative and ours is negative. They scream louder that is all.”
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    I thought about your post considerably and, if you are referring to the ad hominem attacks back and forth between liberal and right wing posters – something I do when I or, sometimes, others, get attacked – I plead guilty.
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    If you trying to say that Republicans are just anti-Democrat and, equally Democrats are anti-Republican and nothing more, I disagree completely.
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    Democrats have been proposing idea after idea after idea for improving things. Republicans have been just shooting them down like clay pigeons and using hollow terms like “socialist”. “anti-American”, and so on. I just imagine John Boehner standing with a shotgun saying “Pull” – bang.
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    One of many examples is that everybody knows our economy is terrible shape. Democrats have plans. Republicans want to follow the same plan they had for boom times, for moderate growth – for all times – reduce taxes for the wealthiest and big businesses, castrate regulators or even disband their regulatory agencies.
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    Right now the right wing has twisted reasoning for extending tax cuts. A small percent of people who make over $250,000 per year are business owners. These business owners, Republicans seem to believe, hire employees as a kind of a charitable effort. So, if the taxes on small business owners earning over $250,000 per year goes up, they will stop being kind to the rest of the country and fire employees to keep more money for themselves.
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    I think anybody who stood within 20 feet of a classroom teaching Econ 101 would know that small, large, mid-sized – all – businesses only hire people to do work. So, just because a small business owner’s personal taxes goes up does not mean that they will want to provide crappy service to the public by not having enough or not having any employees since crappy service does not gain repeat customers.
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    The difference in the reasoning between the right wing and liberals is like the difference between Kindergarten and Graduate school. So, I see no comparison between right wing anger and fear mongering and liberal explanations for new ideas.

  • michaelfury

    “there are a lot of crazies out there”

    And so there were.

    http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2010/09/08/silence-gives-consent/

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “there are a lot of crazies out there”
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    And one of them was a blogwhore named Michael Fury who should be ignored at all cost.

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    “If what you say was true there would be several major USA Media sources confirming that this actually happened.”

    LOL, you mean like the way they reported that Iraq did not have any WMD? I did provide links to the story. You might also try asking the current administration why they stopped the release of the rest of the photos. Good luck with that.

  • allthingsinaname

    “I thought about your post considerably and, if you are referring to the ad hominem attacks back and forth between liberal and right wing posters – something I do when I or, sometimes, others, get attacked – I plead guilty.”
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    Exactly! It seems to me that is all we are doing, the whole exercise has become pointless a contest to see who can be the best snark.
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    So what are the accomplishments? How is it good for America? For you, me, the guy down the street? One guy says we are not American anymore, the other guy is completely dissatisfied, we haven’t done enough. One guy wants it on the left, the other guy wants it on the right, and they both complain about the middle.
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    It is all fine and dandy but to get anything done both have to give. I do not like milk toast either, I wouldn’t start off with a “Centrist” position but hell we can’t stand there and throw rocks at each other for ever.
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    Seriously, do you really think that arguing with free, rusty, 3xfire3, is getting anywhere? It use to be that such opinions where, well nuts, but today we give them credence by responding in a like manner. It is the crap that Times, Newsweek, FOX, Washington Post, ABC, NBC, CBS, thrive on. Then we complain about the Press.
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    Just my thoughts.

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  • sacredh

    “Did you ever see a couple so happy it makes you feel a little sorry for yourself?
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    They are like that – just fit together well.
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    Lesson learned from you: beware of in-laws.”
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    patrick, that describes my wife and I perfectly. We’re kindred spirits. I’ve known her since I was a teenager. I was crazy, she was crazier. I think it’s why we were drawn to each other. We married other people but wound up together. We stayed good friends and told each other everything. Some people fear the skeletons in their closets, we dress ours up and parade them around. We never throw ours pasts up to each other. We talk about them but it’s more of a “Can you top this?” kind of thing. She almost always wins.
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    Her mom is a whole different story. She can’t and won’t ever accept that I’m an atheist. I think that what bothers her the most is that not counting a belief in God, she knows that I’m a better christian than she’ll ever be. If one of her friends stops in at the house that I’ve never met before, she introduces me as the “heathen”. I usually come back with something like “She used to be a real slut but now she couldn’t pay a guy to f**k her”. OK, that’s not very christian.

  • sacredh

    herbyoo2, Boehner said he would vote for just those making under $250,000 to keep getting the tax cut IF it was the ONLY legislation that could be passed. He said he will still do everything he can to extend the tax cuts for everyone regardless of income.

  • 3xfire3

    I’m simply amazed that Republicans, who are contumely Demonized by the Liars of the Left, are about to be elected in numbers that will profoundly change our government back to one of the people by the people. The people will not be fooled again like they were in 2008. They will vote for the party that represents mainstream America.
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    The Haters of the Left accuse the Republicans of being haters. The left is so wrapped up in Hate that they think anyone who doesn’t believe as they do is evil. Liberal/Progressives are the Haters. Republican/Conservatives may disagree on the politics of the Left but they don’t hate the people on the Left. Hate is a unique quality of the Left.
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  • afguy

    ‘Morning, 3x.
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    What color is the sky on your planet?

  • sacredh

    Good morning afguy. Strange weather we’re having.

  • afguy

    Good morning, sacredh.
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    You feeling any better, or did the weekend “tomato toss” take too much out of you?

  • sacredh

    I feel worse than ever. I can barely swallow. I called the drs office the minute they opened up this morning but they’re booked solid. I can’t get in until tomorrow afternoon. I haven’t reported off and today is my last 4-12. I’m going in but I think they might just send me home. I look like sh!t. I know at least a dozen people that have whatever it is that’s going around. The MIL called my mom and told her all about the little incident. My mom called me at work last night and was laughing so hard i could barely understand her. She’s 85.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “The Haters of the Left accuse the Republicans of being haters.”
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    I just don’t even know how to explain what that statement says about you.
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    One Particular Mosque: GOP is leading effort against it – hatred.
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    Mosques in other parts of the country: the far right of the Tea Party and Republican Party are leading protests against – hatred.
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    Pictures of our president as a monkey, cannibal or otherwise racist pictures among many non-racist pictures at Tea Party gatherings – hatred.
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    I could go on and on, but, what you will see much of from Democrats is explanations of why HCR is good or not as bad as many would have thought and nerdy policy stuff which is hard to put into a good soundbite.
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    Once again, I did not say many, most, imply many or most of the Tea Party protesting against Mosques or having racist cartoons of Obama. However, this, and Gingrich’s campaign to discourage the downtown Manhattan Mosque when he has never, ever made Manhattan a priority in his career before and is opposed to the actual majority of Manhattanites, is about hatred.
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    His attack on Clinton while he was cheating on his own wife – such that he not only understood the temptation, but had, also, as badly failed to resist it is all about hatred.
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    3X, I have seldom seen the word “haters” or “hatred” outside of your remarks and, occasionally those of your fellow right wingers.
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    I am all about improvement and progress. When the GOP makes it their outright policy to mimic a brick wall against progress, I am not pleased with the GOP.

  • jzj9yx

    I work with a group of engineers, approximately half of whom are Muslim. I am an atheist, so I am the worst of the unbeliever-infidels. (Worse yet, I am an unmarried single mom infidel.) Yet, no one has tried to kill me yet; in fact, they have invited me to play volleyball with them, and allow their children to play with mine.

    Please explain.

  • jzj9yx

    “Hate is a unique quality of the Left.”

    I’m sorry, but if you intended this comment unironically, the only possible response is:

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

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