Did Obama Change His Line on Health Care Today?

The Associated Press does a “fact check” on a passage from Obama’s presser today that also caught my ear:

President Barack Obama told voters repeatedly during the health care debate that the overhaul legislation would bring down fast-rising health care costs and save them money. Now, he’s hemming and hawing on that….

[Obama said] he never expected to extend insurance coverage to an additional 31 million people “for free.” He added that “we’ve made huge progress” if medical inflation could be brought down to the level of overall inflation, or somewhere slightly above that.

THE FACTS: Those claims may be supported in the fine print of the plan he pitched to Congress and a skeptical public months ago. But they were rarely heard back then. “My proposal would bring down the cost of health care for millions—families, businesses and the federal government,” he declared in March.

Last August he predicted: “The American people are going to be glad that we acted to change an unsustainable system so that more people have coverage, we’re bending the cost curve, and we’re getting insurance reforms.”

On Friday, he conceded: “Bending the cost curve on health care is hard to do.” The goal: “Slowly bring down those costs.”

But does this represent a true shift? Admittedly it was odd to hear Obama say that the new health coverage would not be “free,” because in selling his health care plan Obama did tend to describe it as a cost-saver. If you read his words in more context, though, I’m not sure Obama really conceded much on the substance. Here’s his response to a question from ABC’s Jake Tapper about a new estimate from the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services showing that health care reform is going to raise costs:

Q    – the CMS study from February predicted a 6.1 percent increase, and now, post-health care, 6.3 percent.  So it seems to have bent it up.

THE PRESIDENT:  No, as I said, Jake, the — I haven’t read the entire study.  Maybe you have.  But if you — if what — the reports are true, what they’re saying is, is that as a consequence of us getting 30 million additional people health care, at the margins that’s going to increase our costs, we knew that.  We didn’t think that we were going to cover 30 million people for free, but that the long-term trend in terms of how much the average family is going to be paying for health insurance is going to be improved as a consequence of health care.

And so our goal on health care is, if we can get, instead of health care costs going up 6 percent a year, it’s going up at the level of inflation, maybe just slightly above inflation, we’ve made huge progress.  And by the way, that is the single most important thing we could do in terms of reducing our deficit.  That’s why we did it.  That’s why it’s important, and that’s why we’re going to implement it effectively.

You can read Ezra Klein for the details (avec useful chart). But it seems that what Obama is trying to say is that his plan will incur short term costs as we add millions to the payroll. But if its structural reforms pan out over the longer term (which is hardly guaranteed) health care will wind up costing the government substantially less–and reduce the deficit as a result. So I’m not sure Obama truly committed the foul that the AP has called here.

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  • Paul-no not that one

    “Admittedly it was odd to hear Obama say that the new health coverage would not be “free,” because in selling his health care plan Obama did tend to describe it as a cost-saver.”
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    Because costing less is the same as free?

  • constantweader

    Eek! Shame on you for linking to anything on Bottomfeeder Breitbart’s site. I’ll find the AP story elsewhere, thank you!

    The Constant Weader at http://www.RealityChex.com

  • Paul-no not that one

    Ha I didn’t even click the link!
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    Breitbart? Goodness I wasn’t sure I could think less of the TNR’s Michael Crowley and he finds a way.
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    Hopefully he links to the bigot publisher he used to work to go even further into the toilet.

  • nflfoghorn
  • chupkar

    1. Last time I checked, “cost saving” does not = “free”.

    2. I like pourmecoffee today: “I know something that will bend the health care cost curve. It rhymes with schmingle schlayer.”

  • allthingsinaname

    Bet those Death Panels are free though!

  • nflfoghorn

    And, a la Death Race 2000, it must pay to kill off Grandma.

  • allthingsinaname

    Some one is going to have to show me where the cost wasn’t going up with out health care and, some one will have to show me where the projections have ever been factual.
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    If you think that the Health Industry have been above board on the cost rise, I have land on cliff side I would like to sell you. How about you Mr Crowley?

  • maverick2k9

    Why do I get the feeling that Time reporters (MC, MS, JNS) are now busy buttering the other side of the bread?
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    Must be salivating at the prospect of “Boner BBQ” treats awaiting them after Nov.

  • Art Pepper

    OMG.

    But it seems that what Obama is trying to say is that his plan will incur short term costs as we add millions to the payroll. But if its structural reforms pan out over the longer term (which is hardly guaranteed) health care will wind up costing the government substantially less–and reduce the deficit as a result.

    Now why is it that I already knew this, but the folks in the press are still confused? I wonder if the CBO did any kind of analysis …

  • earljr1

    Surprise, surprise, surprise, said Gomerobama, I tricked you again! Sort of old hat for this wannabe magician, as the cost of this monstrosity tick ever higher. Guess what, folks? the end is nowhere in sight and oh yes, how much did your premiums go up this year? Just wait until next year for an even larger increase. So much for reigning in the insurance companies and while you are at it, how much has your prescription medication increased ? Selling out to big Pharma means no relief in this arena, either. You might also check with your doctor to see if new medicare patients will be accepted next year, because thousands are saying NO. Yes, indeed, Gomer, this is a fine mess you have got us in. By the way, how are you doing in the polls recently?

  • russpoter

    OweBama lied. It’s “The Chicago Way.”

  • http://erieangel.wordpress.com erieangel

    Guess what earl, my employer sponsored health care premiums increased more in 2009 than they did in 2010. 18% in 2009 (pre-health reform) vs. only 8% post reform. In 2009, they even changed the structure, giving us a choice of three different plans vs. the 17 plans offered for several years previously. All of the plans come from BC/BS of PA. If they hadn’t cut out several plans in 2009, the rise would have been even higher than the 18%. No changes in coverage this year and only a small (by comparison) increase.

  • http://erieangel.wordpress.com erieangel

    Oh yes, I forgot to say… my copayments are at their lowest levels, only $15 for an office visit (both primary doctor and specialist) while in past it was $20 for primary and $25 for specialist. The ER visits have gone up, to $100, but that’s only to try to keep people from using the ER and having them go to their primary doc instead.

  • bart4u

    I have to buy own health insurance due to an pre existing condition. 2005 my policy was 4000.00 same policy 2008 went to 27,000 just great. I am in California’s High Risk Pool and now pay 14,000 per year with a 75,000 cap I cant get into the Fed Program which is 7,500 and no caps because I am in the California Program. The Republican’s wanted a clause that no grandfathering be allowed. Now I have to give up my health insurance for six months so I can get accepted into the Federal Program. I am hoping I do not get very sick with my Crohn’s Disease and will need an operation. I think the Republicans are the most evil selfish people around. You have the very rich that brain wash the Sarah Palin followers who have no knowledge of the health insurance problems or the economy. Bush really put this country in a mess and Obama had his plate full when he took office. Republicans only wake up when a problem occurs in their family. Tea Party folks are on another planet. Good luck to them just stay out of the government.

  • earljr1

    Keep dreaming, erie, if you think this bill is going to help you in the long run. Your ability to see the doctor of your choice will be in great jeopardy as more and more physicians threaten to stop cooperating with this government take over. We do not like many provisions in this bill and feel that our infrastructure will be irreparable damaged, if implemented AS it stands. Obamacares collusion with the insurance and drug industries will escalate prices significantly and the patient will indeed have great difficulty in finding a doctor to treat them. 31 million new patients? good luck with that.

  • formerlyjames

    What is the point of this? Obama lies to provide health care to all citizens? I know the finances of it all are beyond me, but this post seems pointless to the better good.
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    Bart4u has a more relevant view of it all than Chicken Little Crowley, or me. I am covered regardless. I am not so selfish as to want to sabotage equal and universal coverage for all citizens.
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    The one-upmans-ship from the right wing on Obama, is not productive. This post is a perfect example.

  • balaamish

    A lot of these disputes happen because there are multiple ways to define “health care costs,” including:

    1. what you pay for health insurance

    2. your total health care expenditure (insurance premiums plus out of pocket costs)

    3. total expenditures on your behalf (not the same as 2, since some costs are borne by insurers, employers, etc)

    4. the portion of 3 paid by federal (and/or state) govt.

    5. total health care expenditures as a percent of GDP (which includes costs hard to assign to individuals – e.g. the cost of keeping emergency rooms running)

    If we don’t define the target, it’s silly to argue about how far we are from hitting it. The CMS report, by the way, is an estimate of the growth of #5.

    Saying “the country will spend more” doesn’t mean “your spending will increase,” or even “government expenditures will increase” (a fact even the Pres. seemed to miss). If more people have health care, the country will spend more in aggregate; duh.

  • formerlyjames

    Correction. This kind of gotchya journalism is productive to the oligarchs who finance the right wing attacks, such as the Koch brothers, who have minions to serve their interests at the expense of the best for our country.
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    And as for Chicken Little, he has an endless supply of alarmist notes. That is his speciality.

  • Art Pepper

    And to follow up on balaamish’s point:

    The fact that adding 30 million insured to the pool would raise the total amount of health-care spending as a % of GDP was known when the bill was passed. This is not actually news.

    Ezra Klein: “So even in the most simplistic analysis, we’re covering about 10 percent of the country and increasing spending growth by 0.2 percent.”

  • balaamish

    And while we’re at it, it’s worth noting that health care spending doesn’t measure the quality of health care people actually get. Which is why we spend such a big portion of GDP on health, but have poorer outcomes on many health measures than countries that spend less.

  • square1

    There are basically 3 key points to understand:

    1. It is absolutely true that the ACA bill failed to deliver on the cost savings that Obama promised during the campaign. However, this was clear in real time. It was discussed on a daily basis, right here in the Swampland chat. Stuart Zechman probably (rhetorically) asked Karen Tumulty and JNS about 200 times whether the bill would lower the cost of health care in the U.S. on a per capita basis. Sadly, they never managed to answer that question.

    Oddly enough, apparently the AP never bothered to ask that question in real time. And now the AP appears to be blaming their ignorance on the fact that draft bills — and, presumably the CBO reports — were written in “fine print”. Perhaps Congress can switch to a larger font?

    2. The time to complain about the lack of significant cost-control measures was in real time. In fact, that was pretty much what the entire fight over the public option was about. Too bad the AP missed it.

    3. All the wingnuts upthread can be safely ignored. The GOP opposed all meaningful efforts proposed by Democrats to cut costs. They offered nothing as an alternative. Sadly, when the magical invisible hand of the market fails to produce economic results that the public is happy with, Republicans have no other tools in their toolbox.

  • http://patriotson.wordpress.com patriotson

    Obama is a guy whose who ideology is based upon lies. Only a crazy or radical socialist would believe this guy. He sales his ideology then when the truth is revealed he denies that he ever made such statements. He knew before he forced this European socialized medical care down our throats that it was going to costs more; add to the national debt and would not be supported by the American public, yet, he duped a corrupt congress into passing it with “unpresidented” speed by a congress that did not even know what was in the bill. Now we see the ramifications of such actions. Higher medical costs; higher taxes; more regulatory control; bigger government; socialist ideology and a lie through your teeth president. November must be the beginning of the end of this Obama nightmare. 2010 must be the year we finally drive a stake through the heart of this political socialist agenda that is sucking the life out of America.

  • allthingsinaname

    “Here’s his response to a question from ABC’s Jake Tapper about a new estimate from the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services showing that health care reform is going to raise costs:”
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    I do not know how to take the above line when faced with the last line of the report mentioned in the above.
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    “The opinions expressed here are the authors’ and not necessarily those of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services. The authors particularly thank Catherine Curtis for her assistance in writing this article. They also thank Richard Foster, Stephen Heffler, Joseph Lizonitz, and John Shatto. [Published online September 9, 2010.]“

  • kevin

    Seriously? Breitbart?
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    Wasn’t there a more respectable site you could have linked to, like Stormfront or something?

  • kevin

    Take off the tin foil hat, nut job.

  • newfreedomblog

    “Take off the tin foil hat, nut job.”

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    A typical reponse from someone who is a far left extremist in this country. When they are not able to defend their “Messiah”, or defend any of his policies as being bad for this country. They will then stoop ot the levels of 3rd grade playground name calling.
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    Little kevie has been on this site now for about a year, constantly calling derogatory names or making statements like the one above.
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    Now if anyone wonders why I challenge them with their own game, here is your proof.
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    How about it mycophile? Where are you now?

  • newfreedomblog

    Oh, yes. The two butt-brothers constantweider and little kevie the retard do not like Brietbart. They of course like TalkingPointsMemo, DailyKos, MediaMatter, HuffingtonPost, and all the rest of the far left extremists sites on the internet.
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    Surprise….surprise….surprise!!!
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  • earljr1

    When obamacare kicks in, all of you new medicare patients contact square1 for your appointments. He seems pretty sure he has ALL of the answers. Our practice has made the decision to STOP accepting new patients on medicare and yes, you can place the blame squarely (pun intended) on obamacare! The majority of patients we see, are furious with the bizarre construction of HCR (many are experiencing premium increases in the 20% range) and we are telling them all to voice their complaint at the ballot box in November. From what I can ascertain, they ALL plan to do so. Goodbye democrats, hello repeal.

  • newfreedomblog

    “The GOP opposed all meaningful efforts proposed by Democrats to cut costs.”

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    Name one other than the so-called “public option” of which you retards talked about. Can you? I didn’t think so.
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    How about Dorgan’s Amendment which the Democrat Senators overwhelmingly voted NO? This would have been a cost-cutting measure. But, they voted it down so Obama and the rest of the kooks in Congress could continue reaping millions upon millions of dollar for their campaign war chests.
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    How about Tort Reform? That would have definately been a cost-cutting measure, who kept those amendments from ever reaching the floor for a vote? DEMOCRATS
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    How about promoting competition across all State lines? Who stopped that amendment? DEMOCRATS DID.
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    Go away with all your bogus claims. The people know how badly we have been screwed by the Democrats in Congress. That is exactly why this November you will see not only hundreds of them going down in defeat at the ballot box, but why you will also see this insane law repealed.

  • http://borderlinediabetes.wordpress.com borderlinediabetes

    The USA is the only western nation that does not cover ALL the citizens!!

    No President can fix health care because the system was turned over to the drug makers. They are the Billion dollar win situation. Obama..Hillary(who the drug makers paid off)and many more have tried.

    A European filmmaker has been reversing diabetes in many countries and the FDA and drug makers still hide the story. Even google news reported on this see here http://www.prlog.org/10614981-new-spirit-happy-reverse-diabetes-diet-has-many-followers-in-europe.html

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    Doesn’t it ever occur to anyone that the phrase ‘bending the cost curve’ was being used repeatedly for a reason?
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    This is a simple example of reporters simply being stupid.
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    The whole health care debate has always been about slowing down the rate of increase in health care costs. If you fail to understand that simple point then you have no business being on television.

  • balaamish

    newfreedomblog,
    you posted a complaint about “3rd grade playground name calling” and then, within the hour, call folks you disagree with “retards” and “kooks,” and the law Congress passed “insane.” Railing against “bogus claims” was fine, and “insane” is within the usual bounds of invective. But “retards”? How is that any better than “nut job”?

    Be the change you seek, or I’m going to have to call your parents in for a conference.

  • kevin

    Remind me, Rusty – which of those liberal websites has been proven to have purposely edited videos to grossly distort their meaning, like Breitbart did with the Shirley Sherrod video and the ACORN videos?
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    Breitbart is a liar — that is not a matter of opinion, it is a matter of fact. Much like the assertion that you are a moron.

  • balaamish

    You’re right, of course, but this just illustrates why health care is such a knotty problem (and so easily demagogued): it’s really hard to understand. The math is complicated, the finances are complicated, the public health is complicated, the law is complicated. And with all these moving pieces, it’s hard to tell even in retrospect whether a policy had the intended effects, and to what degree.

  • kevin

    Rusty, you’re a bloodthirsty racist who has wished for the deaths of people who don’t share your skin color. I don’t give a d@mn what you think.

  • kevin

    Oh, and the comment about “patriotson” needing a tin foil hat came from his assertion that the Affordable Care Act is “European socialized medicine.”
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    I’m not sure if English is his first language, but there is nothing like European socialized medicine in this reform. Nothing. The doctors aren’t run by the state, the hospitals aren’t run by the state, the insurance isn’t run by the state. You conservatives like to complain about how long the bill was — I know, reading is hard! — but the only reason it was so complicated is that every single aspect of the plan had to be run through private industry in order to make sure it didn’t have any taint of socialism on it.
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    And yet still, the teatards like Rustardy and “patriotson” come out and denounce it as “socialized medicine” when it’s nothing of the sort.

  • shepherdwong

    …with all these moving pieces, it’s hard to tell even in retrospect whether a policy had the intended effects, and to what degree.
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    Of course, that’s because every “solution” starts with leaving the insurance industry in charge of the health care system and, quite obviously, insurance industry control of the system is the problem.

  • kcory

    “constantweider and little kevie the retard” Rusty I take offense to you constantly using the “R” word. Could you please stop that.

  • Paul-no not that one

    Here is something new from Crowley’s source
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    The other video was from Big Government’s Andrew Breitbart, who Geller introduced as a man “slaying the forces behind the biased mainstream media.” Breitbart assured the crowd:
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    You’re not controversial. Katie Couric is controversial. Charlie Gibson is controversial. Brian Williams is controversial. The New York Times is controversial. Those people that represent the minority are acting as if you’re somehow doing something that is morally incorrect. Well, I think the term that we’re talking about is politically incorrect.
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    http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/09/anti-park51_rally_all_about_how_not_intolerant_the.php

  • liberalmeltdown

    Everything Obama has promised is a lie. Are you just NOW figuring that out?

    Where’s the transparency, the honesty, the NOT business as usual. This guy is SUCH a politican. You that still support him are just willing to be fools. Have you not noticed that the rats are jumping off Obama’s boat? You diehards will stick with this clown no matter what.

  • johnmd1

    Over 500,000 Doctors Against Obamacare

    When I made the decision to become a physician, I wanted to dedicate my time and life to providing the best and most compassionate care possible. After receiving a bachelors in science (4 years), I went to medical school (4 years) and residency (5 years).

    These 13 years of my life was dedicated to developing my mind so I could provide the best care possible. So how does our President describe my physician colleagues and I? He states that instead of doing what’s best for the patient, we look at reimbursements to decide patient care. He states we do unnecessary tonsillectomies for a “sore throat” to make money (youtube video: Obama- Doctors taking tonsils out for money). My patients come first and I am dedicated to their best interest. I would never perform an unnecessary surgery.

    Also, the President stated we make $50,000 for an amputation. For an amputation for diabetes, medicare will reimburse $879.21. No surgeon makes $50,000 as the President stated (youtube video: Doctors Choose Amputations because Surgeons Get Paid More). In fact, malpractice insurance can be 50K, sometimes more. It’s embarrassing that our own President does not have correct information on how the billing in our health care system works. Does he even understand our health care system?

    If we truly want health care reform, why are we not focusing on tort reform to decrease defensive medicine and malpractice insurance rates? These factors make significant contributions to the cost of health care. Defensive medicine costs ~200 billion/year and trial law ~200 billion/year. Perhaps the Obamacare legislation does not focus on tort reform because trial lawyers make significant contributions to politicians, including Obama’s campaign.

    I understand the President’s point- prevention of medical complications is important, but I do not agree with his slander of physicians and the misinformation he gives the American people. I strongly oppose Obamacare because I do not want the government interfering in my relationships with patients. When I look at government run systems (inefficient DMV and Postal Service, mismanaged funds of Social Security), I cannot trust the government to manage something so important as healthcare. Do you?

    If you want to learn more about over 500,000 doctors against Obamacare and the healthcare reform we hope to achieve, please search “Docs4PatientCare.org.” The majority of polls the last year, physicians, Americans in general are opposed to the (Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act) Obamacare legislation. The legislation will act to decrease the influence of physicians over time and promote non-physician ‘extenders.’ Non-physician ‘extenders’ are — nurses, nurses that get doctorates in nursing (not doctorates in medicine) & introduce themselves to patients now as “doctors”, physician assistants, techs performing the roles of medical doctors. Nurses with doctorates in nursing have 4 years college and 2-3 years post-grad school vs Doctors of medicine have 4 years college, 4 years medical school, 3-7 years residency, and possibly 1-2 years fellowship training. We’re talking about 2-3 vs 7-13 years of post-graduate education and training differences. We want to preserve the patient-doctor relationship and not have it become patient-government, patient-tech, patient-nurse. Who do you want leading your health care team and managing your health?

  • goodspkr

    I love the way liberals avoid facts. This was an AP story and you folks want to change the subject so you argue about the source who quoted the AP story. What a bunch of losers you are!

  • goodspkr

    Chupkar, too close to single slayer. Not a good post when talking about the raping of Medicare, the violation of the Constitution, Congressional bribery and the out right lies used to sell it.

  • goodspkr

    Translation: me, me, me, me. But enough about me. Don’t you hate the Republicans too?

  • goodspkr

    Well said newfreedomblog!

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