Hillary 2012?

What did Biden do to deserve this?

I mean it’s not like he covertly got the country into war or ran the Oval Office incognito…

The Secretary of State is doing a great job and they make a wonderful team. She is still young enough to go for it in 2016. The President inherited a mess beyond imagination. He is busting his butt to correct things even with a hostile GOP Senate and Congress. They have vowed to fight everything he introduces. What a bunch of bigoted racists — Boozing Boehner, Mumbling McConnell, Eric Cantor (too disgusitng to have a handle).

Protocol and morals prevent me from using an alliterative word to describe Cantor that rhymes with ‘unt.’

She’d get my vote in the primary.

nflfoghorn
Protocol and morals prevent me from using an alliterative word to describe Cantor that rhymes with ‘unt.’

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You can be sure of one thing. If the GOP does take control, Boehner better never bend over when Cantor is behind him. I am remainded of former Senator Santorum. He would stand so close behind President Bush that one inch closer would require a XXX Rating.

Why is a Chicago Dentist’s 2 years old sour grapes considered news worthy?

And then, the guy would get ticked off when she didn’t do everything just how he wanted. Just like if any of the lame-o other parties get in, everyone rahrahing teaparty candidates and repubs will get ticked when suddenly we are not a completely unified under the sign of God Christian community and the economy stretches on. (c’mon TWO years ago I was hearing a 10 to 15 year recovery and everyone is now ticked it isn’t better in 2 years). No one will like anyone once they get in office.

Heck, she would’ve gotten mine back in ’08 but Dem rules got in the way!

It’d just be a reminder of what they’d want to do to the country. Cue “Berlisconi”!

She lost to Obama when she was the heavy favorite, no way Dem primary voters back her in the numbers she’d need to unseat a sitting President.
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Also I cannot imagine she’d even consider doing it. If she lost (and she probably would) she’d be doing the political equivalent to dousing her reputation in gasoline and tossing a match.

Actually she did get my vote but party rules in FL said it didn’t count for much….

3.4 = 4.1

Another reminder of why I’m a proud anti-dentite.

Sounds like those “change the constitution for Arnold” ads from a few years ago.

Before anyone decides to bury Obama in a free-for-all of herd-mentality journalism, maybe one ought to peruse the latest CNN polls:
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/09/03/rel12a.pdf
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Interestingly, the last two weeks, including the date that Beck chose to dishonor MLK, Obama’s approval numbers went up!

You’re against teeth?!?!…

…or lied about WMDs in Iraq or had a top aide rat on a CIA worker or had his heart held together by chicken wire and Super Glue. Or is universally detested.

Seinfeld reference to prejudice against Dentists.

“They even have their own schools.”

3.4 = 4.1
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Oh, yikes, foghorn!
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You realize what you just did to the world of mathematics? You just did away with the ordinal number 4! Now what’s 2 + 2 gonna equal? How about 2×2? Or two squared, for that matter.
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This is gonna suck…

Barama’s approval ratings are at an ALL-TIME LOW! Can’t wait for November 2. Change we can REALLY believe in is coming, liberetards! BWA-HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA!!!!!
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Wait, what?
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The preceding has been RustFreep’s conjugal wake-up call.

It’s called the New Math.

Thank you steve for explaining that. I figured you was headed straight for the dentist to resolve this issue!

Disapprove 49%. Wow. Nobody’s neutral about him.

Uhyuh! Uhyuh! Uhyuh!*
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Famous worlds of a certain Disney character (I forgot his name. He’s a dog. Shoot me.)…

That means that most of those that have flipflopped are true and honest flipfloppers.
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No wonder McCain won…

Same stuff FOX uses. Cue the crackheads…

I love Hillary, I supported her over Obama in the primaries but there is no way she would run in 2012. Just no way.

She is a very loyal woman and despite all the nasty stuff the MSM has gleefully spread around about her, she is a woman of principle who would never do something along the lines of Ted Kennedy (whom I also loveed but thought his decision to run against Carter was wrong) and Reagan.

Old PUMAs never die, they just flail away.

I would vote for her if she did win the nomination in 2012. However, I prefer Obama.

That be Goofy, Fitty

Whoops. I’d better lay off…lest I start thinking that pi = beck squared.

Thank you, foghorn…

No, it’s okay foghorn, at least pi is still safe.
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It’s less than 3.4…

FYI:
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Now here is a guy who should be right at home with Beck:
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/world/man-hit-by-six-meteorites-blames-aliens/story-e6frev00-1225897807998

(my future) Wisdom teeth removal: $1200.00 w/o insurance. Neocons will likely protest that Obamacare(tm) will lower the cost too much.

…below zero is more like it.

Cold in fla? BTW, hope Paul is ok.
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Wishing him well, I know Earl has lost a lot of strength.

Main problem with Hillary is that we would probably be stuck with Rahm Freakin’ Emanuel (and his parade of “anonymous senior official” leaks) in some sort of role in that administration too.
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Hiring him was the price Obama paid for getting Hillary and Bill to play nice.

It would not surprise me to see Hillary run against Obama in 2012. The one thing about the Clintons you can always count on: The Clintons think of what will benefit (satisfy the appetites of) the Clintons first, everyone else must suffer with the results and the consequences are never good. The best example of that scenario in action is the Bill and Monica affair. Bill wanted a few seconds of gratification and couldn’t keep his pants zipped. As a result of Bill’s selfishness and bad judgement, and Hillary’s passive (wink, wink, slap on wrist, blinded by ambition) acceptance of Bill’s misconduct, we got eight years of George W. Bush and the subsequent mess he created. Then, Hillary called in her chips. Same old Clinton story. The Clintons and their maneuvering are bad news for America. Let’s put them in the past where they belong and move on. Let’s have no more fat-cat Clinton donors funding campaigns to shove Hillary down our Democratic throats, and no more reporting on them, okay? We have a very bright and very moral man in the White House. Let’s appreciate how fortunate we are and get behind him and his efforts to make America a better place for everyone.

Paul tweeted the day before yesterday, so it seems he’s ok.

Please. There is no logic to a Hillary run.

The country is roughly divided into three camps: Republican-Teabaggers who won’t support any Democrat, liberal Democrats and independents who are disappointed with Obama’s rightward lurch and beltway-game-playing, and the remaining Democrats who basically think Obama is doing the best with the cards that he was dealt.

Well, the GOP will have a candidate in 2012. And the Third-Way Democrats and Obama loyalists already have their candidate…Obama. The only logical primary challenge would come from a liberal Democrat.

Sorry, but Hillary Clinton doesn’t fit the bill. In ’08, she was the establishment candidate. Now she’s supposed to challenge Obama because he picked too many corporate retreads from he husband’s administration? I don’t think so.

I can only think of a few people who could challenge Obama and have a prayer of generating any momentum: Dean, Grayson, or, maybe, Feingold. But even Feingold has been in the Senate too long and is past his sell-by date.

I’d add Paul Krugman if he had a modicum of charisma.

I had no idea that you had a picture of Freeinpa online!

No!
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I don’t mean Radivoje Lajic.
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I meant the rock.
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I didn’t know you could remove freeinpa’s brain and he could come back and post more.

I was a John Edwards supporter myself, but, the primaries are so late here that I never had a chance.
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Hilary just doesn’t come across as well and, for those who mistake presidential elections for America’s Funniest Home videos – I mean dubbya supporters and Palin supporters – this is (even though shouldn’t be) important.
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It is easier for the far right to attack Hilary than Obama.
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Obama – although I am sure that Hilary is too – comes across as a great guy you would like to have as a neighbor or coworker. Hilary… less so.
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She reminds me a little bit of the smartest girl in the class who would raise her hand and answer every question rolling her eyes and saying “well, of course…” and proceed to give a correct answer.
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Again, I would support her against any Republican but not against too many Democrats other than Biden, who is just not born for public speaking.

I wonder if 3xfire3 will say that I have “black guilt” since I preferred Edwards over Obama… even though I am not black.
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He keeps on saying that we all have “white guilt” if we support Obama, so, I guess, deep, down, below my white guilt, I have black guilt – or maybe 3X is just mildly insane.

Patrick,
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Can’t it be “All of the Above”?

Just looking at this strategically, not as much politically…
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Let’s say in 2010 the GOP gets the house and picks up a few seats in the Senate. The GOP led House goes into full subpoena carpet-bombing mode for the next 2 years – which is a reasonable prediction based on prior behavior and stated intents. Legislation goes from Democratic led compromises to the right, to almost near standstill as the GOP lead House and the Dem led Senate duke it out with neither party being able to push through their legislation.
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Things continue to go south economically, but this time there’s more blame to be shared and its not all perceived as the Dems fault, since they’re no longer the only party with majorities.
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Would it make more sense for Hillary Clinton to run in that environment in 2012, with partial support of her party and the perception that she’s a replacement for a failed Obama, or wait for another 4 years and go into 2016 with the full weight of the party behind her and a “New Direction™” for the Democratic party as a theme?
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I think I’d advise waiting, but I’m not the one who’d have to wait. In the end, it may have more to do with Hillary’s ability to be patient, than anything else.

Coming soon: guilt in Technicolor(R)

Of course she is the person who we should have nominated and elected in 2008.

“guilt in Technicolor(R)”
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LOL

Why, what do you think she would have done differently? Take on the Big Money Boyz? The neocons? The pathologically bi-partisan centrists?

“Guilt in technicolor” ….. THAT was funny!!

I think that is a fair question. Considering historical record, and not just rhetoric and cheerleading .. just how different would our course be if say she was president and Obama was the V.P.?

But Hilary killed Vince Foster and Bill ran drugs out of the local Arkansas airport.
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Jay, the traditinal media is getting ready for the end of the midterm elections by throwing out new points of hysteria. The herd needs conflict, whether it is war or politics. They will invent it is they must.

With that line-up and the Rahm-ster in the mix, I can’t imagine a whole lot of difference with what we have now.
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Would she have been more fearless (as the first female President) in grappling with the GOP obstructionists than Obama has been as the first minority President? Would “bi-partisaship” have been as much the watchword under a Hillary Clinton administration as it has been under Obama?
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Would that “legacy” thing have gotten in the way with her too?

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/03/opinion/03iht-edcohen.html?_r=1&ref=opinion
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This article is a very good take on Obama, and on the general American psyche (not every single person in America, shouldn’t have to say that but somebody will surely condemn me if I don’t put forth the disclaimer ahead of time).
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It poses that logic is often on Obama’s side, but logic doesn’t win elections. “As with the office so with the speech: You can admire the clean lines but your heartbeat sure won’t quicken.” it says, refering to the muted tones of the oval office and the President’s latest speech of Iraq.
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America likes drama and the flamboyant, even if self-destructive. Hence we like our violent sports, shock jocks on TV and radio, muscle cars that go three times as fast as we’d ever be allowed to travel in the country, bar fights, “reality” TV, fast food, and court TV shows. Pragmatism, or even the refusal to blindly thrust behind any one opinion as an absolute is treated as betrayal, and the word intellectual is used more often as an insult than a compliment.
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Obama’s brand of calm and reflective is what we may like in Grandpa, but that’s just old grandpa talkin’. Not how we’d do business at work or at play. Obama talk is “not the stuff of heroic American narrative, of shining citadels or beacons to mankind” the article contends, and that is true. He only won in reaction to a tragic state of affiars percieved to be (whether true or not) the sole responsibilty of his opposition’s party. Given a more moderate climate of success and well being in the country, he would have been summarily dismissed early in the primaries.
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The question now is whether a sufficient fraction of the country will have been persuaded to accept a more pragmatic approach to governance (whether it be Dem or Republican, I mean how different is Powell’s demeanor from Obama’s?) after seeing it in action for a few years, or are we still a dominant majority of cheering fans that need to be emotionally fired up about a choice, regardless of the implications?.
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Probably more a question for the 30 and younger group, as they’ve witnessed the ying and the yang in their lifetime without the World Wars and Vietnam influences. How involved they become in politics, voting and civic culture in general will be a key deciding component I think.

Isn’t there one overlooked scenario that makes Hilary 2012 not just possible but necessary? What if the President chose not to stand for re-election? I don’t think he’s afraid of the prospective field of Republican challengers (BTW, this Haley Barbour speculation just about defines the concept of a “slow news day”) but maybe he could just get fed up with all the bulls**t. I mean, you try sitting across the table from people like John Boehner, Mitch McConnell, Hamid Karzai, Ben Nelson, and all the other buffoons and grifters that show up on his schedule on a regular basis. You might consider brushing up your resume a little, too.

Maurice2u’s is an unusually thoughtful post for this space. Obama is looking increasingly like Jimmy Carter – a good man you’d like to have as a neighbor or a municipal administrator, but without the political grit to impose his will on policy or to sell said policy to the country’s citizens.

Which just makes moderates like me nostalgic for the flawed but effective (pause to cover head in anticipation of flying vegetables) Pres. BIll Clinton.

RE HIllary, Joe Klein had it right in 2005 and is still right today – whether HIllary is proposed for 2012 or even 2016.

http://www.time.com/time/columnist/klein/article/0,9565,1059000,00.html

I also think that the only possible way for Hillary to run would be if Barack didn’t. If Barack runs for re-election, I vote for Barack. If he doesn’t, I vote for Hillary. I f Sarah runs, I vote for her in the primary. If she gets the nomination, I laugh my ass off.

But what happens if Reagan comes back from the dead and gets Jesus to campaign for him? Nobody is talking about this. The press hasn’t mentioned it. Nothing on Fox (yet).

With thinking like that, this guy will never be my dentist…

With slightly more primary votes than Obama, Hillary bows to biased super delegates and takes a hit for the team in 2008, so that she can crash INTO a WALL, in 2012?

Riiiiight….

The 2008 capitulation, was about 2016 viability. Period. Hillary is the 2016 frontrunner. If you are her, you’re not wrecking that. Duh.

– Balkingpoints / www

“What if the President chose not to stand for re-election?”
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You’re English, aren’t you.
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That’s because English politicians are famously lazy. American politicians run for office (a tiring chore to run for eighteen months – including seeking the nomination) but English politicians just stand.

Now, sacred, we all know not to bring up the savior without offending conservatives.
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At least clarify that Jesus Christ would be the vice presidential candidate. It’s bad enough that you sacrilegiously brought up the idea that other kind of liberal guy who feeds the poor and things with our Savior Ronny.
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I think we should all bow down our heads and thank Ronny for giving us this low tax, low performing, corporate owned government and hope that he forgives us for our sins against him.

Tweety covered this today too. I don’t usually complain about non-stories, but this is in the category of giving time to Palin’s tweets.

Not gonna happen, shouldn’t happen. A deep misreading of Hillary Clinton.

Slow news day. Might as well throw Hillary’s name out there.

Could this be Islamophobia?
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-11181457

Young Lady: Put in a few years working for a living in a real world where men cut deals to cut you out, dismiss your input without consideration because you are a woman (look around at your progressive brothers: they DID that very thing to Hillary) and walk the thin line between being a professional woman and a being bashed crudely by foolish young people without a reasonable track record against which to measure them and you might see the arrogance of your hate driven disrespect for this accomplished woman. Obama, whom you worship irrationally, is every bit the self-serving politician, mob maneuvered creep you see in the Clintons. Stop with the pretense. We ALL saw his wimpy ass being carried across the finish line of the primaries by the cheating Rules & By Laws Committee and the corrupt, corporate 4th Estate… grow up:p

She’s too smart to run against an incumbent. But I wouldn’t put 2016 past her.

” We ALL saw his wimpy ass being carried across the finish line of the primaries by the cheating Rules & By Laws Committee and the corrupt, corporate 4th Estate… grow up:p”
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Are you feeling okay?
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Maybe a long nap would do you some good.

2016 would be great as long as she is not too third way like her husband was.
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Many of us are looking for a real liberal in the WH and, so far, she isn’t all that liberal.

Naw, just Islamic dyslexia.

Just what we need to do, replace one lying anti-American socialist with another

You don’t even know what a socialist is, ricardo.
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Too bad you never lived during the Cold War. You would have known the difference…

While I think Hillary would have been a BETTER choice than OBAMA I still can’t vote for her.. she’s TO OPINIONATED.. STUBBORN..and HARD HEADED.. she would no better serve the people than OBAMA is doing she would HOWEVER.. serve herself.. I like her well enough as a person but I do not respect her.. But it would be an interesting race..

….you DO know that if it weren’t for the 22nd Amendment, Bill would still be Prez….

John McCain personally knew J. Christ (D)-Judea

….I think most normal people respect the folks they like. Try to picture 2 Venn diagrams in your head. One says “like”, the other “respect”. Usually there’s quite a bit of overlap there….

Leonid Brezhnev and Mao were socialists. The Clintons? Not so much. Also, writing books and making millions kinda disqualifies Obama, too. Is that your talking point for today, or are there others?

She’ll be 69 in 2016. I’m just sayin’……and the right would go just as ape chit ballistic over her as they did WJC and BO. It’s called Democratic President Derangement Syndrome.

Actually, Mao and Brezhnev were different in their philosophies, but both were communists, far to the left of socialists.
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Mao was more extreme, engineering the Cultural Revolution.
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Brezhnev was for detente and Glasnost, and realized the dangers of the rigid Soviet system and was the first of the Soviet leaders to begin the process of reform from within.
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Note that when the Solidarity movement began in Poland in 1981, the Soviets, instead of repeating their interdiction of the “Prague Spring” in 1969-70, opted instead to use proxies to politically bottle up the movement. That failed.
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Europe, though now labeled as “socialist” is nowhere near what socialism really represents. Instead, they are part of a spectrum of governance that is somewhat, but not a lot, to the left of governance here. They do have greater federal involvment, but not so much as to even approach snuffing a modified free market capitalist system, which is what we run, too.
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The socialism tag was cooked up by the GOP because they hate HCR, and that is the long and the short of that…

Didn’t Hillary already say she has no plans to serve as SoS for a second go round? If Barack doesn’t try to convince her to stay (if he gets re-elected) and I think he would, she could spend quite a bit of time laying the groundwork for a 2016 run at the Presidency.

IcKy,
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Old Leonid was for Glasnost? OK, but the invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1968 might suggest that the old fossil was a chip off the Joe Stalin block. I don’t think he wanted to reform diddlysquat….

I wonder if Hillary2012 or Hillary2016