Boxer v. Fiorina Debate

Boxer should use the term off-shoring, not outsourcing. They are two different things. One can outsource without going off-shore and one can off-shore without outsourcing.

Boxer should fire anyone and everyone who did her debate-prep. Unbelievably awful.

Shep,

I don’t know about debate prep, but both campaigns did a lousy job (along with the media) of alerting the voters about the debate. I live in San Jose and I didn’t even know the damn thng was happening last night. Since this will most likely be the only debate (a scandal in and of itself) you’d think both candidates would be beating the drums for viewers, especially this far out from election day.

(BTW, the San Jose Mercury News gave the victory to Boxer, but not by much. They praised Fiorina for her principles in sticking to the righty positions she took in the primary, and then wondered why she would risk her chance of being elected by doing so.)

Fiorina would be a corporate shill if she were elected. For the life of me, I can’t understand why the democrats are considered the elitists when its republicans like Fiorina who think only of the megabucks they and their ilk can make with no thought to the people who actually work hard for a living.

Fiorina just will not stop lying about Boxer’s legislative record. Last night she again repeated the long ago debunked deception that Boxer has ‘only four bills’ to her credit. Here’s what PolitiFact had to say about Fiorina’s charge: link

What offended me even more was her resorting to the cowardly defense that if you criticized her for her failures as CEO of HP (she was so bad that she was ultimately fired) then you were somehow criticizing the workers of HP. It sounded exactly like the cowardly “if you criticize the war you’re criticizing the troops” defense that Bush and the neocons used to avoid responsibility for their own policy failures in Iraq.

“Fiorina just will not stop lying about Boxer’s legislative record.”
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That’s exactly where Boxer’s handlers failed. They let Fiorina lie all night with near impunity. No sharp answers to show voters what a miserable liar she is, no righteous indignation from Boxer in response to her mendaciousness, just weak-tea, defensive babble most of the time. No wonder journalists are able to blame Democrats for the vacuousness and outright lunacy of the electorate. Neither of them are doing their jobs of telling the public the truth about Republicans. I just don’t get it.

I’m glad Carly is there to remind us that politics are always there to help Americans fail upward. I didn’t know that living the American Dream involved getting canned under a cloud of disgrace.

Anyone who has been to a Hewlitt Packard campus after Fiorini would never vote for her. They were like ghost towns.

“Fiorina, I thought, did surprisingly well but that may be due to my incredibly low expectations of her.”

Glad to see that, once again, the media is here to grade Republicans on a curve.

We’ll file Jay’s comment in the same bucket where we keep the rest of the comments on other GOP candidates like George Bush and Sarah Palin doing “surprisingly well” given low expectations.

In this case, Jay thinks that Fiorina’s lies – because they were adamantly delivered – means she did “surprisingly well.”

For Jay, as long as a member of the GOP can dress themselves she thinks they do “surprisingly well.”

Wonder how she feels about Jan Brewer’s performance last night? Maybe Jan didn’t do “surprisingly well” because she wasn’t adamant enough.

Brewer was sadly funny. I posted the video on another thread. It can be accessed at TPM and the Huff Post. Her interaction with the press after the debate was a tribute to Sharon Angle. The new reactionaries are going to have to wear running shoes at all times in case they encounter the press.

I’m not a media expert so I can’t say whether or not individual affiliates are responsible for statewide-related advertising. I heard of the debate at various times on our local Fox channel.

With all her dough, you’d think that Ms Fiorina could hire able handlers. She wore a blue dress that almost exactly matched the background color of the set, rendering her essentially body-less – a talking head floating in a sea of blue. The poor woman seems to have been dealt a face stamped with a perpetual sneer. At first we put it down to nervousness, or perhaps indigestion, but as the evening wore on, it became clear that a petulant visage is her default position.

Ms Boxer – well named, since she stood upon a box behind the lectern – fared better. Years of practice,we suspect. But by the end of the evening, her genuine-ness broke through, and we could not doubt her sincerity. Boxer over Fiorino, not even close.

Stop being such a wonk!
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How did you feel during the debate? Were you bored the whole time, or did you get excited once or twice?
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Did it seem as if the candidates were Senatorial enough?

It’s all in how you look at it.
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If you look at how Carly destroyed HP, driving their stock price down 60% on her watch and killing 30,000 American jobs, then, yes, she looks like a failure.
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But if you look at it from her perspective, where she left the job with a $40,000,000 golden parachute, then hey, she looks like she did alright.
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Remember, she’s a Republican, and their motto is “F*ck you, I got mine.” No wonder they love her.

Depsite the astute analysis from JNS. It is clear to me that Sarah Palin won this debate and Joe Biden loss.

That’s pretty funny SZ.

choska,
I put a link up there to explain my comment. I’ve met Fiorina before and haven’t been impressed. At all.
JNS

Democrats are “considered” the elite because the Republicans decided it would be advantageous to put that label on them. The Republicans have a habit of taking their worst attributes and spinning them 180 (like promoting the “clean air act” which expands pollution or the “patriot” act, which expands surveillance.

The Republicans have also decided that education is elitist, and so I guess they’re acknowledging that their followers are, in aggregate, less well educated. If you want to abolish the Department of Education you’ve got to find a way to demonize education.