The Reverend Beck

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Two slightly belated thoughts about Glenn Beck’s egopalooza on the Mall Saturday. One, it didn’t seem very interesting! I watched the opening of Beck’s show last night, and it seemed to me that he was straining to describe what actually happened. Beck spent about five minutes talking about how Sarah Palin prayed for 10 minutes backstage, the bulletproof vest he wore, and the flock of birds that flew overhaed early in the proceedings. (Beck described this a “miracle,” which rather seems to be lowering the bar from, say, parting the seas or turning a staff into a snake.) Beck also talked at length about how well everyone behaved and how little political “anger,” or anger of any kind, had been evident. Instead, he cast it as a day about restoring some vague sense of personal and national “honor,” and talking at great and surprising length about Beck’s favorite new topic: God.

The second, related, thought is that Beck’s new emphasis on religion strikes me as a strange move. My admittedly imperfect sense of his followers is that they are not primarily interested in sitting in the grass talking about God. They are interested in grand conspiracy theories about how Bill Ayers and Cass Sunstein, with the help of small Soros-funded groups you’ve never heard of, are slowly driving America to a terrifying socialist-fascist hybrid future. They are angry, they want to name names, they want to call people names. I’m sure many of them are religious. But I’m not sure they see Beck–who is a Mormon leading an overwhelmingly non-Mormon flock–as their spiritual guide.

Ultimately I find myself wondering whether Beck realized, after announcing his rally on the day of Martin Luther King’s March on Washington,  that his usual conspiracism and Obama-bashing would seem in poor taste even by his standards, and he grasped for another shoe that didn’t quite fit. Let’s see how long he wears it.

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  • michaelfury

    A true revolution of values will lay hand on the world order and say of war, “This way of settling differences is not just.” This business of burning human beings with napalm, of filling our nation’s homes with orphans and widows, of injecting poisonous drugs of hate into the veins of peoples normally humane, of sending men home from dark and bloody battlefields physically handicapped and psychologically deranged, cannot be reconciled with wisdom, justice, and love. A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual death.

    - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., April 4, 1967

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  • nflfoghorn

    “…Beck spent about five minutes talking about how [Miss Prissy] prayed for 10 minutes backstage”
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    Did that Jamaican witch doc pray with her? Enquiring minds want to know!
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    But seriously, folks, if Bleck has allasudden found God why didn’t he quote Scripture? Biblical, Joe Smith’s, Brigham Young’s, anybody’s??

  • http://liberalspin.wordpress.com darkskinned

    “Beck described this a “miracle,” which rather seems to be lowering the bar from, say, parting the seas or turning a staff into a snake.”

    I thought it was the messiah (of the left) himself who claimed he’s only going to slow the rise of the oceans.

  • m0mentom0ri

  • sy2d

    Fundies for Beck and his ilk have always been the low hanging fruit.

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    Beck is a perfect example of why logicians make a distinction between false or weak analogies and true or strong ones. In fact, the degree to which Beck traffics in false analogies and scatter shot thinking makes me suspicious that he has a mental illness, a thought disorder, likely caused by a simple chemical imbalance. Hopefully, God will lead him to seek help. As for those following him around, I’m not sure if anything can be done.

  • hippooath

    The sad thing about these people is not the collective ‘stupidity’, but the clear lack of intellectual curiosity. No one can name any specifics – only talking points. No introspection, no philosophical differences…just plain willful ignorance. When pressed on certain points they simply can’t mention anything specifics.
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    No wonder people like this like empty big lofty words without any content.
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    Glenn Beck have sure found a perfect gold mine.

  • http://liberalspin.wordpress.com darkskinned
  • freeinpa

    “The sad thing about these people is not the collective ‘stupidity’, but the clear lack of intellectual curiosity.No one can name any specifics – only talking points”

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    Gee that sounds an awfult lot like the Obama campaign and how the Demos have governed (Pelosi: We won’t know whats in the HC until after we pass it) And the looney left were cheer leading all the way.

    I guess it ok to be stupid as long as its the correct kind of stupid

  • grape_crush

    “I have a Scheme”.

    “Which begs the bottom line: What was “Restoring Honor” really all about? Is the punditocracy trying to hard to read the tea leaves of Beck’s “agenda,” of why he went with televangelist-style fervor about God and empty tributes to the MLK legacy before an audience that had been instead lured to D.C. from the so-called heartland by its red-meat displeasure with Barack Obama?

    You bet they are. At the end of the day, the ultimate goal of “Restoring Honor” — like just about everything that Beck has done in the last decade, from riding the rubble of 9/11 and the Iraq war buildup to change his persona from “Morning Zoo” guy to patriot to saying outlandish things about FEMA camps or Obama’s “deep-seated hatred for white people” in his early attention-seeking months on Fox — goes back to one thing, always the most important thing in the Beck universe.

    Building the Glenn Beck brand.

    Yes sir, Saturday was all about restoring honor and restoring God in American life.

    But now it’s Monday and Glenn Beck has something he wants to sell you.”

  • m0mentom0ri

    “I guess it ok to be stupid as long as its the correct kind of stupid”
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    Agreed. That might be the most insightful thing you’ve ever posted, Freepy.

  • kevin

    Pelosi: We won’t know whats in the HC until after we pass it
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    Oh please, Pelosi said nothing of the kind.
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    She said “We have to pass the bill so you can find out what is in it.” She was speaking in response to the flurry of lies that right-wing propaganda outfits were throwing out about the bill — death panels, rationing care, etc. — and saying that once the bill was passed, it would be easy for people to see what was in HCR and what was not.

  • kevin

    Wow, those are some dumb-as-rocks idiots.
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    Looks like the Onion found one to interview:
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    http://www.theonion.com/articles/man-already-knows-everything-he-needs-to-know-abou,17990/

  • firephrase

    I thought something similar to a cognitive problem, but my guess is that he’s just a dry drunk. Gave up the booze, but not the habits.

  • kevin

    How that interviewer didn’t burst out laughing in several of those interviews is beyond me.
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    I love the woman who insists the “terror babies” plot is real because her sister saw some pregnant women in the parking lot of a hospital and she just knew they were illegal.
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    I need to invest more money in aluminum futures. These people are going to use a lot for their tinfoil hats.

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    Between the scatter shot thinking, conspiracy theories and oscillation between low self esteem and feelings of messianic grandeur, it must be a form of schizophrenia.

  • conversets

    Just imagine what might have happened to this country if some right-wing pissant idiot hadn’t killed him.

  • earljr1

    Oh my, the liberal angst is almost palatable! Have your EVER seen such defensive posturing in all of your life? The rally was an overwhelming success and the democrats have been put on notice…..enough of your deceit, enough of your posturing and enough of clueless leadership. Obama has been on vacation SIX times this year and it is only August. Take that you millions of unemployed Americans, this is how I recognize your plight……well guess what, oh clueless one, you can STAY gone, because we did not miss you at all!! A tip of my hat to the hundreds of thousands of patriotic Americans who fought the traffic and crowds to deliver that message…you ARE the hope for America!

  • freeinpa

    ““We have to pass the bill so you can find out what is in it.”

    Uhh as a representative of the people (and I use that in the most expansive definition) she is expected to tell Americans what is in any bill. Since the number of ones that have admitted not to reading the bill at alll is growing Vegas odds is she knew nothing about most of the bill.

    And the reason not to answer what;s in the bill you don’t have to defend what is turning out to be the indefensible. Which explains why this “great accomplishment” is hardly being mentioned on the campaign trail.

  • http://bellarose123.wordpress.com bellarose123

    Glenn Beck is the one who is prejudice and perhaps it is only the aware and smarter people who know this! The fear mogues will never stop!

    If President Obama walked on water, it would not be enough for these so-called religious people. I truly believe none of this would be happening and more people would be willing to support the President if he was not a black man. He has shown time and again that he is for ALL the people and still he is not given the respect he desires for trying to fix the huge problems that the Bush administration left him with.

    I could go on and on but what good will it do. Those who dislike that we have a black man in the White House will never be satified. So, standing up for the President and his administration is only going to speak volumes at the voting booths in the November 2, 2010 midterns!!! That is where we can send a message to the Glenn Becks and others like him!!

  • sacredh

    Invisible Americans swelled the numbers. They are the true forgotten ones. Their voices deserve to be heard. They cast no shadows. They neither eat nor drink. But they’re there. Watching. Waiting.

  • hippooath

    “Gee that sounds an awfult lot like the Obama campaign and how the Demos have governed (Pelosi: We won’t know whats in the HC until after we pass it) And the looney left were cheer leading all the way.

    I guess it ok to be stupid as long as its the correct kind of stupid”
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    Non reflective thinking is the same regardless if it’s right or left. I understand why you think that way – to you everything is black and white where you’re white. Sorry – but I don’t measure the content of empty nonsense like this based on whether they’re ‘conservatives’ or ‘liberal’.
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    It’s simply nonsense based on the fact that it has no foundation in reality.

  • http://erieangel.wordpress.com erieangel

    We’re no longer permitted to pray at the monuments? When did that happen? I haven’t heard of that, none of the mainstream media outlets have reported on it.

  • lepidusxvi

    freeinpa: Both sides so badly distort everything for their own gain that she had a point: The only way people will understand the bill is to experience it.
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    Facts are facts, and agree or disagree with Health Care, it’s not absurd to say that the public is quite ignorant of what is actually in the bill. That’s the fault of Republicans and Democrats, and also our media.
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    The politicized media cannot even agree on a head count for a rally. I find that to be the most glaring thing that shows how they’re all more or less full of it on focus. The MSM articles revolved around the head count at the rally. So called Right Wing media claiming half a million, so called Left Wing media claiming 100k or less. Hilariously, whenever Obama had a campaign rally, magically the right suddenly became the ones counting low and the left the ones counting high.
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    There is precious little anyone with a vested interest in telling the truth, rather than shaping facts to sell a point of view.
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    Until that changes, Pelosi is right. Bills will have to be enacted before anyone has any sweet clue what’s in them.

  • sacredh

    “Let’s see how long he wears it.”

    Until every last nickel, dime and every bit of media coverage can be milked from it.

  • kevin

    she is expected to tell Americans what is in any bill.
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    She did.
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    The ACA was posted online, for anyone and everyone to read, and yet the right-wing propaganda machine kept on spewing lies and people like you kept on believing them.
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    Look, if you want to wallow in your own ignorance and lap up the lies that Fox is feeding you, please, be my guest. But don’t act like your ignorance was forced on you by Nancy Pelosi.

  • m0mentom0ri

    “hundreds of thousands”
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    I think you misplaced a decimal point, earl. You meant to say “tens of thousands” not “hundreds of thousands”.
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    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20014993-503544.html

  • m0mentom0ri

    “Beware the Jabberwock, my son!
    The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
    Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
    The frumious Bandersnatch!”

  • shepherdwong

    Both sides so badly distort everything for their own gain…
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    …it’s not absurd to say that the public is quite ignorant of what is actually in the bill. That’s the fault of Republicans and Democrats…
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    …so called Left Wing media claiming 100k or less…”
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    So many right-wing talking points (and false equivalency), so little time…

  • sacredh

    I think I scared myself with that post. Have you ever caught movement out of the corner of your eye, but when you turn your head there’s nothing there? I think they’re after me (or at least the stash of peanut M&M’s in my jar).

  • grape_crush

    First the Silent Majority, now the Invisible.

  • sacredh

    Don’t forget the Moral Majority. Or the Vast Majority.

  • shepherdwong

    …and as long as the authoritarian-following saps still follow (see comment #9).

  • newfreedomblog

    “Just imagine what might have happened to this country if some right-wing pissant idiot hadn’t killed him.”

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    Actually, I have heard it was someone from the Kennedy clan. But, I could be mistaken. :)

  • lepidusxvi

    Oh come on. There were two issues here:
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    1) The fact that the bulk of the reporting on most major websites was about how many people showed up. Honestly, I still cannot fathom what the actual content was.
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    2) FOX claiming 500k is clearly the outlier, no arguing here, but of all the estimates I saw, you could directly chart the number they gave against their perceived place on the ideological spectrum. FOX is the most blatant, but the general report from each outlet was structured around their own ideology.
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    This isn’t a debate about ideology. If the networks cannot get even close on how many people were standing on a field and their counts reek of political bias… how exactly do you expect them to report anything more complicated fairly?
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    The fact that CNN, ABC, etc. focused on the numbers almost exclusively and the discrepancies between them was a backhanded way of discrediting the whole thing. A fair point, I suppose, but not really the point. By the lowest estimates, 75k people still showed up to listen to Beck speak, which means that the rest of the world might be half interested in knowing why.

  • newfreedomblog

    In her own words. You cannot dispute it once you hear it, and listen to what she says exactly.
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  • 3xfire3

    darkskinned,
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    Did you also notice that they called it a “Conservative Rally”?
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    When the last time you heard the LSM refer to a Rally on the Mall as a Liberal Rally. Never did that when the anti war types or the environmental groups were having a Rally. I guess they have to warn their viewers that about those evil conservatives.
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    The LSM is a total joke.
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    Obama, Democrats got 88 percent of 2008 contributions by TV Network Executives, Writers, and Reporters.
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    By: Mark Tapscott
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    The Democratic total of $1,020,816 was given by 1,160 employees of the three major broadcast television networks, with an average contribution of $880.
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    By contrast, only 193 of the employees contributed to Republican candidates and campaign committees, for a total of $142,863. The average Republican contribution was $744.

  • nflfoghorn

    …and the mome raths outgrabe ;)

  • http://djtrudeau.wordpress.com djtrudeau

    Yes, this is clearly about building the brand for Glenn Beck. After all, the number one goal of the Tea Party movement is to make money for guys like him and to allow others to tap into the fear and anger to grab political power.

    As to why this rally was all about religion and honor: Beck is smart enough to know he couldn’t make it an exact mirror of his show. He’s been in the media long enough to know how ugly an “I hate other people” rally would’ve turned out. In an attempt to one-up his critics he made it a twelve-step inspired faith rally.

    Of course that’s also why it didn’t really shake up or change anything. His popularity is not based on higher principles. It’s based on fear, anger, superiority, and the other ugly emotions that come with it. He did sidestep major contoversy but at the expense of making the whole thing meaningless.

  • Ivy_B

    And as long as all the nickels and dimes can be milked. See #8 above.

  • freeinpa

    “Facts are facts, and agree or disagree with Health Care, it’s not absurd to say that the public is quite ignorant of what is actually in the bill. That’s the fault of Republicans and Democrats, and also our media”

    The public may or may not be as ignorant as you think. However a citizen has a reasonable expectation that their representatives have read and understood the bill before passing anything as massive as HC

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    Bills will have to be enacted before anyone has any sweet clue what’s in them.

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    The problem is that includes Congress who also has a vested interest. Its funny we have had the same process for over 200 years and it has not been until this crowed arrived that this approach seems necessary.

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    Look, if you want to wallow in your own ignorance and lap up the lies that Fox is feeding you”

    Kevin you still test positive for stupid. Every problem is Fox News, Beck, Palin Limbaugh. Talk about wallowing in ignorance.

  • http://erieangel.wordpress.com erieangel

    Geese flying over the reflecting pool was no miracle. That is a likely occurance this time of year. Which makes Bleck an idiot.

  • lepidusxvi

    freeinpa: We’re arguing two different things. Should Congress read bills before passing them? OF COURSE! I mean, we can all remember how we got into Iraq, right? None of the Senators bothered to go read the intelligence themselves despite being given a chance to.
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    But expecting the average person to get these bills, especially when it’s mostly presented to them through partisan lenses is absurdly over optimistic.

  • newfreedomblog

    “Did you also notice that they called it a “Conservative Rally”?

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    Not only that, but also the racial notations as well. The lame stream media represented it as a “predominately WHITE” crowd as well.
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    99.9% of all the libtard rallies are “predominately WHITE” as well. Go figure. And they are so peaceful too, imagine that!!
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  • http://erieangel.wordpress.com erieangel

    @ Newfreedom: Interesting clip. Pelosi said “We have to pass the bill for you find out exactly what is in it.”

  • gum0nshoe

    I don’t believe anyone has a problem with people praying, I think people are worried that a personality like Beck, whose job and choice of words appears to be to inspire fear of a particularly peaceful ideology, chooses himself as a religious leader and then has his followers, that he garnered over a cable opinion show, show up.
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    This man is not educated in religious theology. His purpose does not seem to be to merely spread the word of his God, but instead to bring God to ALL of America because our ‘Honor’ has been lost.
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    When you really look at the man, you have to wonder why. Why does an opinion pundit, who never had religious training in being a minister or priest suddenly take it upon himself to lead a new religious movement.
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    L. Ron. Hubbard may have your answers.

  • kevin

    Thank you for proving my point, Rusty.
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    What she says in that clip is “We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what’s in it away from the fog of controversy.” That’s exactly what I said, and exactly the opposite of what freeinpa implied when he mocked her for claiming that she didn’t know what was in the bill.
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    Nice work, champ.

  • sacredh

    Beck just plays into people’s fears and uses them like free hookers. He makes it seem like it’s OK to demonize people you don’t like if you think God has given the wink and nod to do it. You mix politics with religion and the only thing you get is a b@stardized version of each. People want to fooled and be led around by the nose. They don’t have to think for themselves that way. Beck’s good at it, I have to give him credit for that. L. Ron Hubbard invented his own religion because he knew what a cash cow it could be. I think Beck took notes. Beck isn’t going to part the sea, he’s just going to part people from their money.

  • kevin

    Fox News, Beck, Palin Limbaugh. Talk about wallowing in ignorance.
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    Is that their new motto?
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    Tell me, freeinpa — Rusty provided a video that’s obviously been making the rounds on right-wing blogs, one that purports to show Pelosi claiming she doesn’t know what’s in the bill.
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    Can you identify the news network responsible for that clip?

  • kevin

    Oh my, the liberal angst is almost palatable!
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    It’s agreeable to your taste buds?

  • newfreedomblog

    Gee, from this video which ones are the TEA Party protesters and which ones are the MoveOn.org Protesters who were pro-healthcare? Now don’t confuse the ONE black man in the crowd, he was a reporter.
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  • kevin

    Not only that, but also the racial notations as well.
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    I know, it’s not like people were wearing t-shirts that said “Protect White Cracker Babies” and “Blacks Owned Slaves First” and making comments about how they thought the president was a racist out to get white people….

  • lepidusxvi

    Once again, rusty/freeinpa are interpreting facts to fit their world view, rather than using facts to form one.
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    Only someone with a vested interest in misunderstanding can take any other meaning from that Pelosi video.
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    If you somehow think that her saying what she said means she didn’t read the bill, you might as well be arguing that the sky is lime green for all I care. You’re not operating in reality.

  • 3xfire3

    I Guess No One Taught Liberals To Be Good Losers.
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    Beck’s Rally was a great success and all the swamp idiots are going bananas to try and discredit it.
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    Guess what gang. It isn’t working for you. You can hope, dream, lie and rationalize all you want but you lost. Beck and Mainstream America Won.
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    You Better Get Use To It. November is coming very soon and all your lies will be proven to be lies.
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    Dream on for another few weeks.
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    August 30, 2010
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    GOP Takes Unprecedented 10-Point Lead on Generic Ballot
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    Republicans also maintain wide gap in enthusiasm about voting
    By Frank Newport
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    PRINCETON, NJ — Republicans lead by 51% to 41% among registered voters in Gallup weekly tracking of 2010 congressional voting preferences. The 10-percentage-point lead is the GOP’s largest so far this year and is it’s largest in Gallup’s history of tracking the midterm generic ballot for these results are based on aggregated data from registered voters surveyed Aug. 23-29 as part of Gallup Daily tracking. This marks the fifth week in a row in which Republicans have held an advantage over Democrats — one that has ranged between 3 and 10 points.
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    The Republican leads of 6, 7, and 10 points this month are all higher than any previous midterm Republican advantage in Gallup’s history of tracking the generic ballot, which dates to 1942.
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    Prior to this year, the highest such gap was five points, measured in June 2002 and July 1994. Elections in both of these years resulted in significant Republican gains in House seats.

    Congress.
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/politics.aspx

  • kevin

  • kevin

    I Guess No One Taught Liberals To Be Good Losers.
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    Democrats haven’t lost yet. In fact, they’re the ones who won the 2006 and 2008 elections by handy margins, only to have the minority of Republicans gum up the works on every single issue.
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    As for the Gallup poll, that’s one of the most erratic ones out there. I didn’t get excited when it showed Democrats 49%-Republicans 43% less than a month ago, and I’m not going to get worried now that the numbers have reversed themselves for the sixth or seventh time this summer.
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    But hey, knock yourself out. If you can believe that 87,000 people were really half a million, why not just go completely delusional?

  • newfreedomblog

    Oh I don’t think so kevie. Nancy I am quite postive did not have a clue about the hidden 1099 provision buried deep within the healthcare bill at the time. This is just now hitting the various news service wires as it has business all up in arms, especially the cost it will have implementing it.
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    It was not discussed before the bill was passed into law, either. Stuart Z and I poured through the bill extensively and this was not talked about at all.
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    Now impress us with you high intelligence and explain how this was covered by our dear Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid.
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    Oh that’s right, YOU CAN’T. Nor can any of your other libtardo friends here.
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    http://money.cnn.com/2010/05/05/smallbusiness/1099_health_care_tax_change/
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    Health care law’s massive, hidden tax change
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    “NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) — An all-but-overlooked provision of the health reform law is threatening to swamp U.S. businesses with a flood of new tax paperwork.
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    Section 9006 of the health care bill — just a few lines buried in the 2,409-page document — mandates that beginning in 2012 all companies will have to issue 1099 tax forms not just to contract workers but to any individual or corporation from which they buy more than $600 in goods or services in a tax year.”

  • propman

    1.2 newfreedomblog
    You are truly sick and I pitty you.

  • http://liberalspin.wordpress.com darkskinned

    “Democrats haven’t lost yet.”

    .. just a matter of less than 10 weeks, your prayers are gonna be answered soon :D

    BTW, checkout the Mika’s (@Morning Joe) comment the next day (8/29) about the size of the rally, she thought the number of people at the rally was 700,000 or something..

    Do you think she is too conservative, or, just another dumb liberal commentator on cable TV?

  • newfreedomblog

    “Those who dislike that we have a black man in the White House will never be satified.”

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    Janeane Garofalo, is that you??? Impressive!!
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  • newfreedomblog

    “or, just another dumb liberal commentator on cable TV?”

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    I’m betting on they will not only disown her. They will strip her down to her panties and claim she is a “mis-guided whore”.
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    Liberals are not satisfied until they can vilify every last person who does not agree with their meme and the DNC talking points to the letter.
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    Hell even Barack Obama threw his old white grandmother under the liberal bus during the 2008 campaign.

  • newfreedomblog

    What? No further comments, kevie and lepidu?? Hmmm, what a shame. I was so looking forward to you explaining the $600 1099 rule. Gee, I am so disappointed.

  • newfreedomblog

    “he has a mental illness, a thought disorder, likely caused by a simple chemical imbalance.”

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    Actually, Beck readily admits he was an acoholic. I also believe he suffers from a bi-polar disorder as well. He is so hyper most of the time. Which would also explain why he would have used alcohol as a means to self medicate himself as most bi-polar folks do. But, that is my Dx, and not one that is readily available out on the internet.
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    Now Huffington Post did print an article yesterday asking for any sex tapes anyone may have on Beck, even offering upwards of $100,000. Imagine that. They did pull the article after a few hours. I think ‘ol Arianna was afraid of a lawsuit from Beck. As soon as he challenged it on air, she pulled the article post haste. Said it was pulled because it did not meet their “Editorial guidelines” or some bullcrap like that.
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    Huffington Post Offers $100,000 for Sex Tapes, Phone Records to Destroy Glenn Beck (New Low For Liberals)
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    http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/2010/08/30/huffington-post-offers-100000-for-sex-tapes-phone-records-to-destroy-glenn-beck-new-low-for-liberals/

  • hippooath

    “BTW, checkout the Mika’s (@Morning Joe) comment the next day (8/29) about the size of the rally, she thought the number of people at the rally was 700,000 or something..

    Do you think she is too conservative, or, just another dumb liberal commentator on cable TV?”
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    Does it matter how many showed up? What’s this fixation about numbers? I see people here posting 87k others 1 million. I personally don’t care diddly if it was 10 million or 10.
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    I don’t care if a conservative think it was 10k or a liberal think it was 800k.
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    What was the result?
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    Pondering; if the conservatives don’t take back both or even one house – what does this meaningless number counting amounts too? Does it? Beck called it a apolitical rally and you and freedom thinks it’s the era of conservatism in November.
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    I personally measure it for what it is; fluff. That’s not a liberal viewpoint – it’s based simply on the fact that there’s not one fundamental idea in all of the fluff and the cluelesness witnessed as to what it really is about.
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    When you listen to the people you hear a lot of different ‘I think’ what it’s about. ‘I think’ is not a idea – it’s a waterhole of ‘I dunno, but it sounds good’.
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    Please articulate to me what’s significant about this rally and what it really means. Or what the amount of people attending showing a diversity of ‘what they think’ as suppose to ‘what we know’ says about it.

  • newfreedomblog

    Yes, very interesting indeed, erieangel. At the time I first saw that clip on Fox News, I said to myself, “Is this wacko lady for real?”.
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    Despite the spin that kevin and lepidu are so vigorously trying to spin it, and the time she said it which was right at the time the bill was ready for a vote, I am confident she did not have a clue as to what was in the bill. I would even bet she has no clue as to what is in the law now either if you had a good reporter to ask her some tough specific questions.

  • lepidusxvi

    The rule not being discussed doesn’t mean they didn’t know it was there, it means the media never covered it and they never mentioned it.
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    Given it amounts to “extra paperwork,” i cannot imagine why.

  • newfreedomblog

    Please articulate to me what’s significant about this rally and what it really means. Or what the amount of people attending showing a diversity of ‘what they think’ as suppose to ‘what we know’ says about it.

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    It is and was about TRUTH. How this has been lost in our society over the past 30 or so + years. Our politicians on BOTH sides of the aisle are corrupt, coniving, and ruthless.
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    Once they get into office, if they are an honest man or woman, they come out of office as corrupt as Charlie Rangel. Politicians only have one thing in mind, going from the next lobbyist or special interest group to see how much money they can pad their campaign warchests with before the next election.
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    Honor in the Capitol is gone. Integrity in the Capitol is gone. Even compassion is lost today. Our society has the feeling of what’s in it for me. Period.
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    It is who can we catch in someone else’s bed so we can plaster their faces all over the various tabloids, including the newest of all the tabloids, TIME Magazine.
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    Most Americans want to see some decency, honesty, integrity, and compassion. We want people elected into office who have OUR best interests at heart, and not the special interest groups or lobbyists.
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    I am confident there is more than enough waste in government to fund everyone’s healthcare fully. I would even go so far as to say cut the defense budget in half in order to acheive it. But, not until we also secure our borders, pass sensible immigration reform, pass a flat or fair tax, term limits, and end corruption in Washington DC.
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    But, it will never go anywhere for the average person in this country, because we are too busy fighting against one another instead of working together. The lame stream media and Fox are too busy one-uping one another. And the real crooks in Washington keep on doing the same thing they have been doing for 80 years or more now.

  • gum0nshoe

    newfreedomblog, but I was under the impression the speech wasn’t political. So how could it be about making bad politicians honest?

    Enlighten me because I’m confused.

  • gum0nshoe

    But, it will never go anywhere for the average person in this country, because we are too busy fighting against one another instead of working together. The lame stream media and Fox are too busy one-uping one another. And the real crooks in Washington keep on doing the same thing they have been doing for 80 years or more now.

    How is this a solution when Beck works for Fox then. Again I’m confused. Please explain this. Also, how isn’t Beck a special interest group member when he works at Fox. Thanks for enlightening me!

    ~gum

  • shepherdwong

    FOX is the most blatant, but the general report from each outlet was structured around their own ideology.

    C’mon, yourself. What’s the “ideology” of AP and CBS news? The only place they’re “so-called Left Wing media” is among the professional liars and brainwashed base on the right. FOX is a right-wing propaganda outlet disguised as a legitimate news organization. There’s no liberal equivalency among any other self-proclaimed news organization. Quite the reverse, actually. They are frequently infected with right-wing propaganda and seldom is a real liberal point of view expressed.

  • lepidusxvi

    As I said, FOX is by far the most blatant, but MSNBC is pretty close to their polar opposite.
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    Both espouse a specific view point.
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    Among cable news, I think it’s pretty well established that MSNBC hits from the left, FOX from the right, and CNN from the sensationalized center.

  • hippooath

    “Once they get into office, if they are an honest man or woman, they come out of office as corrupt as Charlie Rangel. Politicians only have one thing in mind, going from the next lobbyist or special interest group to see how much money they can pad their campaign warchests with before the next election.
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    Honor in the Capitol is gone. Integrity in the Capitol is gone. Even compassion is lost today. Our society has the feeling of what’s in it for me. Period.”
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    Where were your blog when Bush was president? People on the right go to extreme length to whitewash Bush’s policies as if they had to influence on the economy today – they either lay everything on Clinton or Obama? If you honestly think that this rally was about ‘politicians’ in average you wouldn’t argue so vehemently against one side for another.
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    I would agree to everything you said if it wasn’t so blatantly obvious that when we boil it down to basic facts you will let your partisan nature rule over the content of the information.
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    This rally had nothing; MLK had a vision – it was clearly defined as a future day when color don’t matter; the honor and integrity he spoke of was truly apolitical. He used faith to give him strength and to explain what is common sense and self evident.
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    Glenn sputter platitudes. I can use freedom and several similar words all day long and someone will see that as a depth of character, but when I speak of freedom in one breath and twist facts to conjur fear in another it’s nothing – it’s him telling you what you already want to believe and ‘freedom’ is just the sugarcoated pill that justifies it.
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    Freedom to me present a real concept and MLK not only articulated it, but also in the context of our constitutional freedom; one that has no color and it’s a right whether it’s only one person who believe it or an entire nation.
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    Beck articulate nothing but visions of destruction and a contempt for mans ability to stay above the needs of the inner monkey. If it was truly about honor, respect and hope he wouldn’t drum up fear 24×7.
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    But I’m glad that it meant something to you.

  • shepherdwong

    One explains why he’s worshiped by the authoritarian-following base the other why he’s followed by the money-worshiping Village.

  • morristhewise

    There was no moral foundation for the all white Glen Beck rally, it was a coded call to revoke civil right laws and return the nation to 1950 standards. Those at the Bigot Rally forgot that there were race riots before MLK led the million man march, that memorable show of force led to the sharing of good jobs with the black minority. The restoration of an era where one race ruled with a greedy iron fist is immoral and would be un-American.

  • 3xfire3

    ” Shepherdwrong,
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    “C’mon, yourself. What’s the “ideology” of AP and CBS news? The only place they’re “so-called Left Wing media” is among the professional liars and brainwashed base on the right. FOX is a right-wing propaganda outlet disguised as a legitimate news organization. There’s no liberal equivalency among any other self-proclaimed news organization.”
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    If your dumb enough to believe that, I have a bargain for you on some swampland in southern Florida..
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    You are a total LW Loon.

  • 3xfire3

    lepidusxvi,
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    Hay, don’t you know this is a Liberal Blog?
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    You sound way too logical to be a Liberal. You must be either an Independent or a moderate conservative.
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    Both are bared from this site.
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    Only Liberals qualify as being irrational enough to make a contribution here.
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    Just Kidding. Nice to hear a sane person making some comments that aren’t rooted in the extremes.

  • shepherdwong

    Among cable news, I think it’s pretty well established that MSNBC hits from the left, FOX from the right, and CNN from the sensationalized center.
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    Well-established by whom? Again, FOX is a partisan political operation. They give money and organize for Republicans – they don’t even bother to pretend anymore. MSNBC, CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC, are not equivalent in any way except that they sometimes traffic in FOX-promulgated Republican propaganda. You’ve been inculcated in a false right-wing media narrative.

  • newfreedomblog

    Well we know who your mentor is, don’t we, morristhewise?
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  • newfreedomblog

    gummy
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    I didn’t JUST focus on the politicians, did I? Why don’t you re-read what I wrote. Then come back and ask more questions.

  • freeinpa

    “hey don’t even bother to pretend anymore. MSNBC, CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC, are not equivalent in any way except that they sometimes traffic in FOX-promulgated Republican propaganda.”
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    These are the delusions that allow liberals to get out of bed every morning without putting a pistol in their mouth. Fox, Limbaugh, Palin etc bad and the cause of all the world problems. Every body who disagrees with the left can’t think and gets their talking points form the above.

    ==
    They cannot write the left wing crap with impunity anymore. They are caught at every turn so the only choice is to attack anyone who disagrees. Otherwise you wake up realize you life and philosophy is utter crap and a lie so you really don’t have a reason to live. That’s why liberals commit suicide more often then conservatives. Along with just being plain bat crap crazy.

  • 3xfire3

    morristhewise,
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    You are totally wrong and have no idea what you are talking about.
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    Blacks may have been in a minority at the rally but they were there. There were approx 20 black ministers on the stage and hundreds of blacks in the crowd.
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    When a reporter asked a black lady if she felt strange about her being an Afro-American and attending the rally she gave a great answer.
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    She said,”
    I’m not Afro-American. I am a proud Black American and these people around me are my brothers and sisters.”
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    When you are able to put your hate behind you and you and your liberal friend stop using racism to further your political goals, then maybe our country can put racism behind us. This would make the world a better place for all our citizens.
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    My family is very diverse. We are white, black, Hispanic, bi-racial and American Indian.
    This is what a true American family looks like.
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    Leave your hate and racism behind and move into the sunlight. You will be a much happier person.

  • freeinpa

    “I Guess No One Taught Liberals To Be Good Losers”
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    As a group they are just Losers, the gradient of bad to good loser is almost irrevelant

  • mycophile

    3xfire3`
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    with all respect due you, I have to suggest that you are allowing yourself to be blinded by one aspect of the Beck Rally equation.
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    I perceive that you are looking at only one of the “success” factors/ You may very well be correct that it was a success in some way or ways for America (although I doubt it), and I would have to agree that Beck was successful at rallying certain Americans
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    But are you really not able to see the part of Beck’s success that is his “brand buliding” and financial gain through marketing to his flock? Terms such as “fleecing” may be inflammatory, but take all that real world management experience you have and replace in your mind the term “fleecing” with another, more objective one. Now what do you see?
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    After all, you would not want to be confused with a liberal who will color their perceptions of their champions all the same color as their team jersey, do you?

  • 3xfire3

    bellarose,
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    “Glenn Beck is the one who is prejudice and perhaps it is only the aware and smarter people who know this! The fear mogues will never stop!”
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    If you actually believe that you area total nut. Progressivism is a dead end road in America.
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    We are not looking for an Elite Master to tell us what to do.
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    Liberal/Progressives make up approx 20% of the USA population and that is declining as the extent of Obama’s failures continue to stack up.
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    Bye, have a good life.

  • mycophile

    newfreedomRod~
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    I called your bluff, and you have exposed yourself.
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    Go away, angryman. You do far, far more to advance dysfunctional public discourse than you do to further constructive public dialogue

  • mycophile

    freeinpa~ what a nice, constructive comment. It will really help fix what ails our politics.

  • mycophile

    or am I wrong and it can only invite the same?
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    Maybe something like this?
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    “As a group, Conservatives are just loser. The gradient of bad to good loser is almost irrelevant?”
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    That really make you feel like working together, as newfreedomblog shamelessly falsely declares matters to him

    But, it will never go anywhere for the average person in this country, because we are too busy fighting against one another instead of working together

    I write “shamelessly falsely” because, of course, it is obvious to me that his definition of “working together” is for everyone else to go along with whatever he says.
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    I hope that is not your defintion, as well.

  • 3xfire3

    mycop,
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    I think you are letting your liberal blinders/glasses get in the way of truth.
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    I believe your perception of Beck is totally wrong. He is a person who cares greatly for our country and its citizens and does his best to honestly try to make our country and our citizens better.
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    Your Liberal Bias prevents you from seeing this. You read and watch comments and video clips out of context and form your opinion about Berck the same as all other liberals. You close your eyes and feel the tail of the elephant and think you know what it looks like. A snake like creature from the lack of information you have.
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    You can not know the man or speak honestly about him from reading and watching out of context stuff created by people and Medias that are trying to make him look bad.
    The only way you have the information necessary to know the truth about the man is to watch his program and or read his books. I have a challenge for you. Try watching one of his programs in its entirety with an open mind and see if he is who you think he is. Realize this is still a small amount of information but at least it will be factual.
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    Obama made a statement about his Moslem Faith. If I stopped the video clip at that point we can say he is indeed a Moslem. He just said he was right? If I’m honest and continue to play the clip he catches his misstatement and says I meant my Christian Faith.
    I only asking you to look for truth not propaganda created by comments taken out of context.

  • earljr1

    yes, kevin, I find it to be quite “savory”! Something to be enjoyed with a nice glass of wine.

  • mycophile

    You seem to not have comprehended what I wrote well enough before responding. I’ll get back to that at the end of this reply.
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    Btu first, I have not lived with a television since I moved out of my parents’ house 40 years ago. I rarely listen to the radio. My opinions of Beck (whatever they may be) are not based on those of talking heads.
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    Other than his own. In the past, I have listened to several of his broadcasts, while visiting friends who do.
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    I have a long track record, and know a number of “executive mangers” who would vouch for my, efficay at being a quick-read of character. So I assume that I am probably correct.
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    However, I may be incorrect, because I have never met the man and conversed with him and/or personally witnessed enough of how he treats other people or speaks when he is not doing so for pay. His public personna may be quite different than his private.
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    Do you know him personally? Have you had the opportunity to gather the data I describe above? If so, I would like to hear your report.
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    Now, then, in my comment @20, the only one of my opinions of Beck that I presented was that ONE of his (not his only) motivations is to rake in lots of money, in a fashion reminiscent of a televangelist or a tent-revival preacher. I know a televangelists or a tent revival preacher when I hear one. The first phenomenally profitable one broadcast from a giant glass Church near wher I grew up. After a while, of course, as has been often since then the case, his kingdom came crashing down due to graft, corruption, and sexual misconduct. Other mega-churches in that area began as tent-revivals, and I got some first-hand views of that circus act, too. Man, they raked in the cash in a hurry to build their comfy palaces on real estate that later made them a fortune, let me tell you. Did God need that? Was it important to the goal of spreading the Word? Who and what was it important to?
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    Perhaps, viewing me through your “liberal” colored glasses, you assumed I was saying it was Beck’s only motivation. If that was not the reason you did, then there was some other reason. This time, it could not have been because my post was too long.
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    I left room for other motivations, including the one’s you claim he has. But, speaking of which, I assume you do not question that Obama “is a person who cares greatly for our country and its citizens and does his best to honestly try to make our country and our citizens better”, right? Does that prevent you from taking issue with some of his other motivations or with his tactics or philosophies of how to reach that result?
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    No
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    Do I accuse you of “close(ing) your eyes and feel(ing) the tail of the elephant and think(ing) you know what it looks like” when it comes to Obama, or “read(ing) and watch(ing) comments and video clips out of context and form(ing) your opinion about B(ara)ck the same as all other (conservatives)”?
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    No.
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    So why do you so similarly accuse me?
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    (as an aside, your Bible has given snakes an undeserved bad rap. So I question what you meant by me being “A snake like creature from the lack of information you have”)
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  • mycophile

    addendum~
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    I see that I was probably inaccurate when I thought that you were “allowing yourself to be blinded by one aspect of the Beck Rally equation.”
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    It now appears that your pre-conception of Beck’s character simply precludes any possibility of him being motivated by desire for massive personal gain.
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    I can accept that. Thanks for listening.
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    Along those lines, I would like to point out that I did not say (nor think) that your blindness was caused by looking at Beck through your Conservative glasses. In fact, i suggested that it was due to your focus, instead, on other outcomes of his rally.
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    However, you, once again, took the oportunity to label me a “liberal”. Since I object to being pidgeonholed like that, I have a favor to ask of you. Could you, please, from now on, just refrain from using that descriptor towards me, and I’ll just assume that is your view of me unless and until you tell me otherwise? It would help me, in a small way, “hear” you better. And every small way adds up to better listening. Thanks.

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