Morning Must Reads: When It Rains, It Pours

Blaming fiscal policy in general, for this administration poor use of it, is like blaming logic in general for what the idiot Glen Beck does to it, every time he opens his mouth.

What’s next: The Situation – five nights a week on CNN? Eww.

By floating another another $8K Tax Credit, Secretary Arne Duncan has effectively killed the Housing Market for the rest of 2010. Sellers who can hold on will wait for the credit and build it into their asking price. Buyers won’t start looking until they know if the credit is go or no go.

Duncan should drop the credits, speed up the foreclosures, and flush the crap out of the system.

“We wish Major Garrett the best in his future endeavors, since he was the only shred of objectivity we had.” –Flox statement

http://toppayingideas.com/blog/2010/08/25/major-garrett-leaves-fox-news/

Did I miss something? How is the Secretary of Education involved in the housing market?

Anybody ever gave a thought about building more homes than the people can fill them?

The “Fly-over” at the Glenn Beck Restoring Honor Rally.
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So the crowd at the Restoring Honor and Buying Goldline Gold Rally was … 87,000? But Rusty promised us it would be FIVE MILLION. What happened?

Wow, that was truly impressive. A flock of geese flying over the reflecting pool on the Mall. That only happens … what, every day?
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Careful, Rusty. Those geese looked like they were Canadian. Better check their papers and denigrate their health care system.

“Patricia Murphy at Politics Daily writes about GOP and Democratic advantages heading into November.

For Republicans, it’s passion. For Democrats, it’s purse strings [money].

The GOP enjoys an energized base of supporters, evidenced by surging turnout in primary contests and a spanking new, if highly unpredictable, political movement within its ranks in the form of the Tea Party.

” Democrats have cash, and lots of it”, bolstering candidates’ hopes that the party can inject enough last-minute money to build a firewall against the GOP’s red-hot base voters in November.”
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No matter how hard they try, I don’t believe the Democrats will be able to buy their way out of this November’s election.
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Kind of comical, Democrats are always accusing Republicans of being the party of big money but the Democrats are the ones with the cash. Whose soul has been sold?

Obama and TIME.com IGNORE Glenn Beck Restoring Honor Rally
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38906337/ns/nightly_news/

One hundred thousand or so is indeed impressive, I’ll give him that. But I think he has a ways to go to take over Billy Graham’s mantle. Seems to me this was not much more than a Church of Bleck rally.

OK I get the prez ignoring it. But it’s ironic that you use Ms.NBC – a network you hate – to make a point about “lack of coverage.”
Might’ve helped had he had anything of significance to say.

kevie,
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As usual you are an Idiot.
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Keep up the good work. You may beat out IQ53 next time on the Top Ten List.

Obama and his White House goons link arm and arm with the radical Muslim Brotherhood. Funds are currently being allocated for the Muslim Brotherhood out of your hard earned tax dollars. Stimulus money for Muslim Brotherhood. Simplly amazing.
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http://bigpeace.com/cbrim/2010/08/29/coming-august-31-direct-access-stimulus-grants-for-the-muslim-brotherhood/

Any News Organization that would totally ignore an event as large as this can not even claim to be a “News Organization”
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MSNBC has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are not a News Organization but a Totally Political Partisan Organization. Their only mission in life is to promote their political agenda under the costume of calling themselves a News Organization.
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No Real News Organization would ignore a major news event simply because it didn’t follow their particular political agenda.
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For those Idiots who will now post that it was not a major news event, you are simply insane.

http://www.newsweek.com/2010/08/28/alter-how-obama-can-fight-the-lies.html

Beck Rally Signals Election Trouble for Dems
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By PHILIP ELLIOTT
Associated Press Writer
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WASHINGTON (AP) — If Democrats had doubts about the voter unrest that threatens to rob them of their majority in Congress, they needed only look from the Capitol this weekend to the opposite end of the National Mall.
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Billed as a nonpolitical event, it nevertheless was a clarifying moment for those curious as to what clout an anti-Washington sentiment could have on midterm congressional elections in November. The gathering was advertised as an opportunity to honor American troops. But it also illustrated voters’ exasperation – and provided additional evidence that Democrats in power – as well as some incumbent Republicans – may pay the price when voters go to the polls.
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The tea party is essentially a loosely organized band of anti-tax, libertarian-leaning political newcomers who are fed up with Washington and take some of their cues from Beck. While the movement drew early skepticism from establishment Republicans, these same GOP powerbrokers now watch it with a wary eye as activists have mounted successful primary campaigns against incumbents.
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The Beck rally further demonstrated the tea party activists’ growing political clout.

More proof that the lame stream media is nothing more than a liberal rag, shilling for Democrats, Obama, and Progressivism.
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http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Obama-Democrats-got-88-percent-of-TV-network-employee-campaign-contributions-101668063.html

“The now California-based Adam Nagourney writes up the demise of conservatism in Orange County.”
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Really? When I was there in July the “Orange County Register” was as nasty as I have ever seen.
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I can only hope it is true.

Fox has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are not a News Organization but a Totally Political Partisan Organization. Their only mission in life is to promote their political agenda under the costume of calling themselves a News Organization.
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Corrected. You’re welcome.

Media outlets ignoring this rally was not due to a lefty conspiracy, but because the event was organized and run by a media personality from a rival network. You really think CNN likes tossing their former employee on the front page?
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I’d also add that for all the hype, I have still yet to figure out what the heck the point of the event was. It makes it hard to cover when you see a lot of people standing around yelling, but about nothing easily defined.
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I mean seriously, explain to me what honor he was restoring? Restored from what? To restore something, it must have been lost. I get that it was something to do with God and all, but really, did someone proclaim athiesm as the official religion while I was not looking?

Rusty’s prediction was off by 4,913,000 people … and you think I’m the idiot?

It wasn’t a major news event. By his own admission, it wasn’t political (even if it is a lie), so it shouldn’t be covered by political news groups.

And beyond that, a sermon about God & the military is not news. I guarantee this happens in Churches all over the country every weekend.

You’re way to wrapped up in your own point of view if you can’t understand why people who didn’t go wouldn’t find this interesting or important.

From what I saw of the rally, it was a stirring defense of “good things” and a strong attack on “bad stuff.” I think Glenn Beck listed his turn-offs as “rainy days and people who frown.”
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It really is an incoherent political platform they’ve crafted, which is why it seems to attract only the idiots.

Nothing there but grandstanding. Hollow without any real meaning.
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What came of it? What was accomplished? Where are you headed? What grand statement did you make?

That photo of Barack and Michelle would have made an excellent “1000 Words”.

MSNBC has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are not a News Organization but a Totally Political Partisan Organization.
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Has MSNBC donated $1,000,000 to one of the political parties like Fox has? No?

You believe anything BreitBoy says. So if he told you to kill a black person, would you do it? Would ya???

From our sarcastic, know it all liberal reporters. This is a gem from Katy Steinmetz:
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“— the name and theme of the rally — yet no one could quite specify what that meant. And though the conservative media personality was full of passionate exhortations for his audience, most of Beck’s instructions weren’t exactly intuitive. (How does one, for example, “wrap truth in boldness”?)”

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Let me help you to understand, Ms Katy. Honor is one of our founding values of our country which has been lost in the destruction of our country by the progressives you represent.
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Honor at one time used to mean, a Man’s (or Woman’s) hand-shake meant he was honest. He would stand by what he says. A hand-shake was as good as any contract the best lawyers could ever write. It simply means by shaking someone’s hand, you will follow through with your promises. You will do it no matter what the consequences may be for you in return.
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Honor is the truth. It is the opposite of LIES. Our politicians today do not have any honor.

Oooooooooo – I’m scurred!

“Honor is the truth. It is the opposite of LIES”
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Bleck good. Lib bad.
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Ug.

Good MMR today, Adam.

What did I miss?

Rightsizing the headcount.

“Crowd counting, particularly of political events, always is controversial. The organizers of the event inevitably hype their crowd estimate — often grossly — to demonstrate the popularity of their cause, and opponents inevitably underestimate to fit their own agenda. Because of the wild pre-inauguration predictions of how many would attend in person — up to 5 million! — my reality-based estimate was ignored by many left-wing commentators and embraced by those on the right.

Naturally, I expected more of the same about my Beck rally estimate. To calculate it, I used Airphotoslive.com’s very striking images…to make density estimates across different zones of the crowd; a variety of ground-level images from news photographers and attendees who posted their photos on Flickr; and Google Earth to measure the square footage of the different zones. Yes, I included the crowd areas under the trees; the full-size Airphotolive images were detailed enough to discern the edges of the crowd even there.

My estimate is that about 80,000 people were at the rally. Ryan Shuler, an Airphotoslive image analyst, used the same images and a different grid-density method to produce an estimate of 87,000. Considering the error margins around our separately-calculated estimates, they are statistically identical. CBS went with the 87,000 figure, which I certainly can accept.”

87,000 marched on Washington in support of hand shakes?

It simply means by shaking someone’s hand, you will follow through with your promises. You will do it no matter what the consequences may be for you in return.
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If that was the point of the rally, then why was former half-term governor Sarah Palin a featured speaker?
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She put her hand on the Bible and swore to fulfill the duties of her office, but wound up quitting halfway through her term so she could go make millions on the book and lecture circuit.

On having a movement.

“Movements — real movements that make a difference and stand the test of time — are about more than buzz words, television personalities, and self-aggrandizement. Change — transformational change that sets nations on new courses — is more than vague, shallow promises about ‘freedom.’

Labor unions created a movement. Women’s suffrage was a movement. The fight for civil rights is a movement. The ongoing struggle for equality for gays and lesbians is a movement. In each case, the grievance was as clear as the solution. There was no mystery as to what these patriots were fighting for. Their struggles and successes made the nation stronger, better, and more perfect.

The folks who gathered in D.C. today were awfully excited about something. The fact that it’s not altogether obvious what that might be probably isn’t a good sign.”

“On having a movement”
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Just had one – thanks

Yea, keep on touting those distorted numbers, grapey. CBS has now retracted all of those statements and has now said it was in the “Hundreds of Thousands” who attended this event.

“The folks who gathered in D.C. today were awfully excited about something. The fact that it’s not altogether obvious what that might be probably isn’t a good sign.”
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It was painfully obvious. Glenn Beck! Sarah Palin! Live on the same stage!
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Shudder, shudder. Squirt, squirt. Like I said. Painfully obvious.

That would be Donovan, correct. I’m coming off Ambien.

Keven, I’d find it hard to believe they hadn’t donated something. It seems fairly regular practice.
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Also, msnbc has a fairly liberal slant. While they do not practice lies or overtly misleading their audience by leaving out crucial information, I’ve seen and turned off rants that you couldn’t called unbiased.
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Fox, goes further unfortunately, and does often leave out the truth for political or bigoted reasons. Their Fox & Friends morning show is the worst for this among their programming, perhaps followed by Beck or that old guy whose name I can’t remember…

The desperation of or liberal friends. What a joke you all are!!!
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http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2010/08/30/huffington-poster-offers-100-000-glenn-becks-sex-tape
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Huffington Poster Offers $100,000 for Nonexistent Glenn Beck Sex Tape

Southern man better keep your head | Don’t forget what your good book said

“‘No mosque in Murfreesboro. I don’t want it. I don’t want them here,’ Evy Summers told the local CBS affiliate. ‘Go start their own country overseas somewhere. This is a Christian country. It was based on Christianity.’

Saleh Sbenaty, a member of the center’s planning committee and a professor of engineering technology at Middle Tennessee State University, noted that Murfreesboro’s Muslim Americans have been part of the community for 30 years, largely without incident. But the proposed center has apparently driven local bigots to violence.”

How could anyone like you ArtPepper understand honor. You apparently have never experienced honor.
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Honor is the truth. Honor is the OPPOSITE of LIES.
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But, since liberals are fed lies day in and day out from the likes of Media Matters, Huffington Post and all the rest of the online garbage and cesspools George Soros funds. Who could expect you to fully understand, let alone grasp the concept of truth and honor.

I’d find it hard to believe they hadn’t donated something. It seems fairly regular practice.
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No, it’s not regular practice. At all.
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An alleged news organization giving a million dollar donation to one of the two major political parties? This is literally unprecedented in the history of American political campaigns. It has never happened before.
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And no, MSNBC has certainly not followed Fox’s lead. Because even though many of their hosts tilt left, they still have some shred of credibility and objectivity, unlike Fox.

Also, too:
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[Southern change gonna come at last | Now your crosses are burning fast]
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“Pamela Geller, the veteran Muslim-basher and co-founder of the rabidly anti-Muslim group Stop Islamization of America (SIOA), has won over a whole new set of supporters: American white supremacists. They just can’t seem to get enough of her since her agitation began against a planned Islamic community center and mosque proposed for a site near Ground Zero in New York City.[...]
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No wonder some of America’s racists have found common cause with Geller, given her support of an apartheid leader and blatantly racist European groups, not to mention her untrammeled Muslim-bashing. And no wonder, too, that Newt Gingrich has just decided to drop out of the upcoming SIOA rally against the planned Muslim community center scheduled for September 11. Pamela Geller may be getting a little too toxic for anyone with claims to be part of the political mainstream, no matter how thin those claims may be stretched.”

Caption for photo:
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Barack! Will you put that damned umbrella away! Let’s break in, grab the silverware and then get the hell out of here!

Glenn Beck rally:
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A warning to Obama and Democrats?
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By Brad Knickerbocker
Christian Science Monitor
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Glenn Beck’s “Restoring Honor” rally in Washington Saturday could not have been an encouraging sign for Democrats and the Obama administration.
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The “Crowd was Huge by any count.
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“ Likely at least a “Couple Hundred Thousand People judging by aerial photos and the reported comments of some police officers”

newfreedom, do you have a link where CBS is retracting all of those “distorted numbers?”

Good God, man – you ain’t no Mary Poppins!

Honor is the truth. Honor is the OPPOSITE of LIES.
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Honor is about doing the right thing, even if it’s to your own personal detriment. It’s about integrity and honesty and fairness and being a credit to your country and your fellow human beings.
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Its opposite is selfishness, intolerance, and self-interest, and all of the low behavior used to feed those three honor-less ideas.
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That you’ve whiffed so badly on the concept of honor is no great surprise, Frustyblog. No surprise whatsoever.

Supercalifragisocialistexpialidocious.

Glenn Beck

“I’m begging you, your right to religion and freedom to exercise religion and read all of the passages of the Bible as you want to read them and as your church wants to preach them…are going to come under the ropes in the next year. If it lasts that long it will be the next year. I beg you, look for the words ‘social justice’ or ‘economic justice’ on your church Web site. If you find it, run as fast as you can. Social justice and economic justice, they are code words. Now, the idea – hang on, am I advising people to leave their church? Yes! (H/T to First Things; full audio is here.)”

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By all means search your faith and see what it says about Social Justice.

Here is what mine says:

There exist also sinful inequalities that affect millions of men and women. These are in open contradiction of the Gospel:

Their equal dignity as persons demands that we strive for fairer and more humane conditions. Excessive economic and social disparity between individuals and peoples of the one human race is a source of scandal and militates against social justice, equity, human dignity, as well as social and international peace.44
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http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s1c2a3.htm#1928
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Beck of course would have one turn against such thing Being that Christ must be the Anti Christ.
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“I distribute the virtues quite diversely; I do not give all of them to each person, but some to one, some to others. . . . I shall give principally charity to one; justice to another; humility to this one, a living faith to that one. . . . And so I have given many gifts and graces, both spiritual and temporal, with such diversity that I have not given everything to one single person, so that you may be constrained to practice charity towards one another. . . . I have willed that one should need another and that all should be my ministers in distributing the graces and gifts they have received from me.43″ ( the same link)
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Here is also what my Church teaches.
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The equality of men rests essentially on their dignity as persons and the rights that flow from it:
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” Every form of social or cultural discrimination in fundamental personal rights on the grounds of sex, race, color, social conditions, language, or religion must be curbed and eradicated as incompatible with God’s design.40 ”
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But no I must leave that teaching and foillow Beck

“But anyone seeking solace in uncertainty can still find a comfort zone.”

“Federal researchers have published work concluding that a particular variant of the periodic El Niño warmups of the tropical Pacific Ocean is becoming more frequent and stronger. The pattern appears to fit what is expected from human-driven warming of the global climate, said the researchers, Tong Lee of NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory and Michael McPhaden of the Pacific Marine Environmental Laboratory, part of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.”

“…that old guy whose name I can’t remember…”
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You mean the one with the “talking joints”?

Kevie,
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“Has MSNBC donated $1,000,000 to one of the political parties like Fox has? No?”
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Yes
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We always thought that the TV News medias were biased in support of Obama and the Democratic Party. Now we Know it is completely true.
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Obama, Democrats got 88 percent of 2008 contributions by TV Network Executives, Writers, and Reporters.
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By: Mark Tapscott
Washington Examiner
08/27/10 3:45 PM EDT
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Senior executives, on-air personalities, producers, reporters, editors, writers and other self-identifying employees of ABC, CBS and NBC contributed more than $1 million to Democratic candidates and their campaign committees in 2008, according to an analysis by The Examiner of data compiled by the Center for Responsive Politics.
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The Democratic total of $1,020,816 was given by 1,160 employees of the three major broadcast television networks, with an average contribution of $880.
By contrast, only 193 of the employees contributed to Republican candidates and campaign committees, for a total of $142,863. The average Republican contribution was $744.
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Disclosure of the heavily Democratic contributions by influential employees of the three major broadcast networks follows on the heels of controversy last week when it was learned that media baron Rupert Murdoch’s News Corp. contributed $1 million to the Republican Governors Association.
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GE Corporation, the owner of NBC and MSNBC is a major financial supporter of the Democratic Party.

Definition of HONOR
1a : good name or public esteem : reputation b : a showing of usually merited respect : recognition
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The average person will receive honor when he or she are known for simply telling the truth. They shall be held in high esteem, their reputation will be one of respect. Those who live in the truth are honored.
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Restoring Honor was the goal set out for this event. The goal for everyone who were in attendance to return to those values of honor, respect, truth, and merit.
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Why am I not surprised you, grapey-crushed have no clue as to what honor represents for the average American.

CBS has retracted all those statements? Then why is this still their main story on the rally, featured prominently on the front page of CBS’s website?
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“Glenn Beck Rally Attracts Estimated 87,000″
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http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20014993-503544.html

NBC is owned by Microsoft & Universal. I didn’t find any records of NBC directly contributing, but Microsoft regularly does:
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http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.php?id=d000000115
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Additionally, NBC does not prevent its reporters from donating like many news stations do.

“Supercalifragisocialistexpialidocious”
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Song…in…my…head. Can’t…get…out P)

sorry, wrong thread.

I must have missed the part there where you found evidence that MSNBC itself donated $1 million to the Democratic Party.

A shift of emphasis with regards to immigration enforcement.

“[ICE agency head John] Morton’s memorandum refers to a particular group of illegal immigrants: those who have been detained in ICE operations because they did not have legal status, but who have active applications in the system to become legal residents. The memo encourages ICE officers and lawyers to use their authority to dismiss those cases, canceling the deportation proceedings, if they determine that the immigrants have no criminal records and stand a strong chance of having their residence applications approved.

The policy is intended to address a ‘major inefficiency’ that has led to an unnecessary pileup of cases in the immigration courts, Mr. Morton said. The courts have reported at least 17,000 cases that could be eliminated from their docket if ICE dismissed deportations of immigrants, like those married to United States citizens, who were very likely to win legal status, the memo says. [...]

The agency has deported a record number of 167,000 immigrants with criminal convictions in the past year, ICE officials said, an increase of about 43 percent over the previous year.”

NBC is owned by Microsoft & Universal. I didn’t find any records of NBC directly contributing, but Microsoft regularly does:
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http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.php?id=d000000115
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Additionally, NBC does not prevent its reporters from donating like many news stations do.

It’s only you and your like-minded “friends” that care about the rally and how many attended. You still haven’t answered the questions posed earlier in the thread: What was it all about? Who “stole” our honor? How do they intend to restore it? What did the rally accomplish?
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Your pal rustyblogwhore contends that it is the “progressives” that lost our honor even though you both say that progressives don’t represent any sizable portion of Americans. Do you concur with his contention?
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BTW, attaining an advanced age does not necessarily confer wisdom; it certainly doesn’t make you right either.

GE contributes, Disney contributes, CBS contributes, Time Warner contributes. But not a million $ at a time! Certainly not to one party only either!
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Last I checked GE also builds weapons, refrigerators and stuff.

The filibuster and how to fix it.

“For starters, the Senate could replace the majority’s responsibility to end debate with the minority’s responsibility to keep it going. It would work like this: for the first four weeks of debate, the Senate would operate under the old rules, in which the majority has to find enough senators to vote for cloture. Once that time has elapsed, the debate would automatically end unless the minority could assemble 40 senators to continue it.

An even better step would be to return to the old “Mr. Smith Goes to Washington” model — in which a filibuster means that the Senate has to stop everything and debate around the clock — by allowing a motion requiring 40 votes to continue debate every three hours while the chamber is in continuous session. That way it is the minority that has to grab cots and mattresses and be prepared to take to the floor night and day to keep their filibuster alive.

Under such a rule, a sufficiently passionate minority could still preserve the Senate’s traditions and force an extended debate on legislation. But frivolous and obstructionist misuse of the filibuster would be a thing of the past.”

So if he told you to kill a black person, would you do it?

Wait a minute………..is George Soros black? Black-Muslim maybe? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

I’ve mentioned it before but down this way the LDS ran a bunch of spots of “ordinary people” espousing their Mormon faith. Was this a warm-up for Bleck and…gasp!…Mittens?

FTW! to sacred, for “500 words” idea and to foggy for anything involving Julie Andrews.
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500 w. – Right after the photo, Obama has the Secret Service cut a slot thru the top bar to let the unmbrella thru. He learns he’s no Dick Van Dyke and Michelle’s no Julie Andrews.

Huffington Post has now retracted this article on their site. Imagine that!!
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Again, you people and when I say that Liberals in general are nothing short of fools, liars and crooks.

That’s so awful newfreedom, how dare the Huffington Post pull a story that “didn’t meet their editorial standards.” Sounds like something an ethical news organization would do!

oh, the HORROR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You know what really bothers me?
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http://www.openleft.com/diary/19969/restoring-honorby-threatening-the-president-shooting-illegals-on-site
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This piece up at Open Left attempts to make the Tea Partiers at Beck’s rally look like violent, sadistic political scum, but it doesn’t quite work.
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The guy who’s asked “You favor people on the Terrorist Watch List being able to buy guns?” is pretty reasonable, pretty thoughtful. He sounds almost like…a liberal.

You know what, Rustydog?
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This whole “Restoring Honor” business sounds familiar.
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It’s sounds kind of like…”Change We Can Believe In.”

allthings,
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Like all the Liberals on this site and in the media you take comments out of context and use them to meet your personal views. They are then Lies.
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You are every bit as bad as people on the right who would take Obama’s statement when he said “about my Moslem faith” and used this out of context statement to claim he is a Moslem.
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Did Obama say “about my Moslem Faith”? Yes he did. But he then said “I meant my Christian Faith” to clarify his miss statement.
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If you had gotten your information from watching the Glenn Beck show rather than reading or watching some LW media only showing the part of his statement that you used, you would know the truth.
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Heaven forbid that you would actually want to know the truth about Beck. You would much rather demonize him for comments taken out of context because, like most liberals on this blog, you have no interest in truth only lies you can use to promote your political agenda.
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Big conversation above about “HONOR”. Your post is a excellent example of what is not Honor.
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If you had watched the Beck show were he made the statements about Social Justice you would know it was about “Government verses the Private Sector being responsible for Social Justice.
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Beck’s argument was that he was against the Government having primary responsibility to achieve Social Justice. He believes the Private sector should have primary responsibility of helping the poor.
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You and all the liberals have the right to disagree with Beck on this point. That is your right as an American citizen. You do not have the right to distort his message and demonize him simply because you do not agree with him.
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It is wrong to lie and Hate your fellow man or woman simply because they have different views then you do.
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All of the garbage that you liberals post about Beck, when looked at in full context, are lies.

This piece up at Open Left attempts to make the Tea Partiers at Beck’s rally look like violent, sadistic political scum, but it doesn’t quite work.

This piece was a video of people at the rally being asked questions by a guy with a video camera. The questioner may have slanted the questions but some of the people answering them made themselves look violent or hateful with their responses. Certainly stating that illegals should be shot for crossing the border is not reasonable. Do you agree? Do you also agree that it can be construed as hateful?
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For the record, I’m reasonably certain that most people can discern the questioner’s bias so his attempt at framing those at the rally is moot. They frame themselves with their answers.

Thank you stuart. Finally someone who represents the left telling the truth. Restoring honor is having an impact.
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Here is another video just for you stuart.
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Play close attention to about 2:30 minute forward.
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Sorry stuart, it is this video, not the previous one.
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3xfire,
Here is what my faith says about it:

“Respect for the human person entails respect for the rights that flow from his dignity as a creature. These rights are prior to society and must be recognized by it. They are the basis of the moral legitimacy of every authority: by flouting them, or refusing to recognize them in its POSITIVE LEGISLATION, a society undermines its own moral legitimacy.36 If it does not respect them, authority can rely only on force or violence to obtain obedience from its subjects. It is the Church’s role to remind men of good will of these rights and to distinguish them from unwarranted or false claims.”
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I have only reported his words, google them and then search Morman, if you want to see what some of them have to say about his words.
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Stuart,
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Thanks for the thoughtful post.
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I’m really disappointed by all the deceptive comments that are made on this site. People accept as truth things that meet their political views rather than things that are really true.
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Common Sense says
“There are always two sides to every story and truth is usually somewhere in between”.
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I make this statement and people reply that the statement is incorrect. There are not two sides.
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Do me a favor and read post 24 above and my reply 24.2 and let me have your thoughts.

Definition of HONOR
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1. honesty, fairness, or integrity in one’s beliefs and actions: a man of honor.
2. a source of credit or distinction: to be an honor to one’s family.
3. high respect, as for worth, merit, or rank: to be held in honor.
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http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/honor
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That you ignored the other definitions of the word, Frustyblog, means that you are committing a sin of lying by omission. That’s not very honorable of you, lying like that.

The average person will receive honor when he or she are known for simply telling the truth. They shall be held in high esteem, their reputation will be one of respect. Those who live in the truth are honored.
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That’s creepy and pseudo-religious and really vague. Whose ‘truth’ are we talking about? Your truth? You’re a mendacious twit who couldn’t recognize ‘truth’ if it jumped up and bit you in your sack.
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What you are saying then, is that “honor will be restored when everyone comes around to your warped point of view.”
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Restoring Honor was the goal set out for this event. The goal for everyone who were in attendance to return to those values of honor, respect, truth, and merit.
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Great. When do those attendees (including you) plan on returning to those values? Soon, I hope.
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Why am I not surprised you, grapey-crushed have no clue as to what honor represents for the average American.
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You’re the one saying that honor is about holding yourself in high esteem for seeing things the right-wing way.
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That’s not ‘honor’ in the real world, Frustyblog. That’s self-aggrandizement.

“Restoring honor is having an impact.”
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What?
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No, that doesn’t have anything to do with me being able to identify people who wear flag-themed shirts and say

“I am for Americans getting shoulder to shoulder, gun in hand, and drive ‘em South!”

as being distinct from folks who say

“But, if they haven’t broken any laws that keep you from owning guns, then they have every right to own a gun.”

or those who say

“Well, I don’t think terrorists should be able to buy guns, but I’m not sure everybody on the Terrorist List is a terrorist. Beside, what…you know…who’s a terrorist? I’m very concerned that they’re redefining what “terrorism” means. So, a guy like me could wind up being labeled as a terrorist, because I go to a Tea Party rally…”

The thing is, liberals aren’t the reflexive statists you think we are.
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We’re capable of seeing an overreaching security state for what it is, and for understanding that a “terrorist” isn’t simply whatever our Leader says they are at any given time. We’re the ones who stood up for FISA warrants, remember?
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It doesn’t take “Restoring Honor” (or “Yes We Can!”) for people with principles to understand when somebody –anybody, a Tea Partier, anybody– makes the obvious case for Due Process.
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The real question is whether these folks believe in Due Process as it pertains to the rest of the Bill of Rights, or whether they’re just fine with the security state (and its values) that was imposed on America from 2001 to 2008.
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If the common ground is the Bill of Rights, then it’s got to be all of them, including the Tenth:

“ The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. ”

, which is the basis for finding a right of privacy emanating from the Fourth, something movement conservatives frequently deny –like when they argued that Texas had the right to outlaw gay sex, for example.
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Principles are principles.

Kevie,
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“I must have missed the part there where you found evidence that MSNBC itself donated $1 million to the Democratic Party”
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Kevie. You’re really funny
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As you are obviously aware FOX News never made any donations to the Republican Party either.
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Political donations were made by Newscorp the owners of many, many media outlets which includes the FOX Cable channels on which FOX News is one of many programs.
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As you are also aware GE Corp. who recently sold all or part of NBC did the donating of money to influence the government.
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So technically you are “right and wrong.” MSNBC did not directly make political donations. It was done by their owners. And you are wrong saying FOX News did make political donations. That was also done by their owners.
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Kevie, “Partial Truths” are still lies. You really should go to confession. Wouldn’t want to see you down there with are that fire.

Two observations about “Beck’s rally” in Washington that has liberals apoplectic.
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First what ever the size of the crowd whether it was 80,000, 300,000 or 10. Conservatives historically as a group don’t gather in large numbers to hear folks speak. They are more fully engaged in life with careers, family, friends and hobbies. Liberals rallies and protests are their life. I am sure everyone knows some 60s or 70s liberal wing-nut who still has long hair and tied-dyed teeshirt who still get misty-eyed recalling the days of sitting in their own filth protesting anything.

Second, liberals are still doing their best to paint everyone who doesn’t agree with their nonsense as a racist. It is the last resort of scoundrels. MSM was in overdrive trying to paint the rally as all white (But they ask incredulously any blacks why they were there) and only hateful racists without having once ounce of proof other than their own convictions (LOL). Why don’t they judge these people by the content of their character rather than the color of their skin?

allthings,
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So you are defending your taking comments out of context as an Honorable action on your part.
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And here I thought you might be a man or woman of principles. Guess I was wrong. Too bad. I was really hoping to find another liberal with principles on this site.
I guess there is still only one or two on swampland.

…and a spoonful of sugar to you, decon!

I didn’t realize so many christians wanted to become Mormom. Must not have been very good christians to need a Mormon to talk to them about religion. Hell, they will come by your house if you are that interested, you don’t have to put all that wear and tear on the family car or your pocketbook.

Facination with Beck is especially amazing here in Southern Baptist territory where they preach at least once a month against the Mormom “cult” and then go after the liturigical religious groups on another Sunday which would be interesting in a Catholic-oriented SCOTUS case.

I personally don’t want anyone to try to push their particular religious belief on me. Too many of them act like the Pharasees which the Bible didn’t treat so well.

“Senior executives, on-air personalities, producers, reporters, editors, writers and other self-identifying employees of ABC, CBS and NBC contributed more than $1 million to Democratic candidates and campaign committees in 2008, according to an analysis by The Examiner of data compiled by the Center for Responsive Politics.”

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Companies contribute to campaigns all the time. I am sure the left will write tomes on how much worse the evil is that FOX did while ignoring the data above.

It could also be argued, correctly, thst much of the MSM broadcast, writings and publications could be considered contribution in kind. But of course there never is any bias in the reporting, that’s only FOX.

The delusions continue.

No I didn’t take his comments out of context, he said if you see Social Justice, or economic Justice flee from them. How is that out of context MY church uses those term explicitly, what am I supposed to take from his words?
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Here are some more all under the heading of Social Justice.
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Solidarity is manifested in the first place by the distribution of goods and remuneration for work. It also presupposes the effort for a more just social order where tensions are better able to be reduced and conflicts more readily settled by negotiation.

1941 Socio-economic problems can be resolved only with the help of all the forms of solidarity: solidarity of the poor among themselves, between rich and poor, of workers among themselves, between employers and employees in a business, solidarity among nations and peoples. International solidarity is a requirement of the moral order; world peace depends in part upon this.
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http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s1c2a3.htm#1928
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Here read the whole thing yourself. I am finding it profound, giving me pause to think. It is giving me something to reflect upon, a Church I walked away from Many, Many years ago. I suspected that my political beliefs must have stemmed from my upbringing, possibly from the Church.
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I am sorry the Church that I know quite literally beliefs that the Government, through society, has a major role to play.
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If we are a Christian Nation, and if we believe as what Christ teaches and, if we are a Government by the people, for the people, of the people, then how can you be opposed to the government having a major role in Social Justice?
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There is simply no other way to look at it.

Yes a good percentage of the people who voted for Obama has just woken up to find out he is black, born in another country and a Muslim.

That’s the argument the left wants to make? People voted blindly for him and now they are racist Islamophobes?

The left get more pathetic and desparate by the day

Yes it was #20

“What was it all about? Who “stole” our honor? How do they intend to restore it? What did the rally accomplish?”

Maybe you, your liberal friends here and the MSM should have attended with an open mind ( Ok I’m an optimist) and answered those questions for yourself instead of taking the typical Beck/Palin bad, these folks are racist, hateful and unenlightened people, no one attended, all white crowd etc.

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For all we hear about progressive enlightened thinking liberals show none.

“This whole “Restoring Honor” business sounds familiar.
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It’s sounds kind of like…”Change We Can Believe In.”
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SZ

I just hope it works better in application

Maybe you, your liberal friends here and the MSM should have attended with an open mind ( Ok I’m an optimist) and answered those questions for yourself

I have no interest in seeing Beck, Palin et. al speak about anything and, as you like to say about conservatives, I have an actual life that I attended to rather than waste my time at said rally.

instead of taking the typical Beck/Palin bad, these folks are racist, hateful and unenlightened people, no one attended, all white crowd etc.

Now there you go again freeper. Where did I say anything about “Beck/Palin bad”, call anyone racist, say that no one attended, etc.? Is that just another knee-jerk attempt at misdirection on your part? I simply asked the self-described “wise old sage” 3X a few simple questions but he, apparently doesn’t have the knowledge, wisdom or courage to answer. Perhaps you could answer those questions?

“I didn’t realize so many christians wanted to become Mormom.”

Didn’t know so many christian leftists woship a Muslim leader either!

Michele Bachmann said there were over 500,000 at the rally. She knows because she was there. Evidently she counted every single person:
1, 2, 3, 4…….

Didn’t know so many christian leftists woship a Muslim leader either!

I certainly realize that you’re a moron. Keep peddling that BS. I’m sure it will get you far.

John Hagee, conspiracist, end times prophet or profiteer gave the closing speech at the Beck rally.
Hagee. A few of his sentiments:
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Katrina was a judgement against New Orleans and the gay pride parade
Catholicism is anti-Christ and a great whore
All Musliims mandated to kill Christian and Jews
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How does someone like that restore honor to our country?
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Our honor is intact as long as we don’t succumb to the reactionary demagogues who are cloaking themselves in Christ and King.

I thought it was a Time poll that had 35% Americans believing that.

How else would I know? Time is the only source of any little information that I may have in these matters!

Did Michele Bachmann stop counting at ten? Or twenty if she used her toes?

allthings,
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I’m not asking your opinion on Social Justice.
Please read my comment again.
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I’m asking you about taking comments out of context and I really would like to have your opinion to the specific points have in my post.
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Being Honorable means speaking the truth.

“Now there you go again freeper. Where did I say anything about “Beck/Palin bad”, call anyone racist, say that no one attended, etc.?”
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“I have no interest in seeing Beck, Palin et. al speak about anything”

I am pretty sure it can be implied here you did. As far as the rest (racist) I was speaking if the left in general and check any major newspaper, magazine (Time) or TV show and it is awash in it.

“Katrina was a judgement against New Orleans and the gay pride parade
Catholicism is anti-Christ and a great whore
All Musliims mandated to kill Christian and Jews
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How does someone like that restore honor to our country”
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Did he actually say these in his closing arguments? How different is this than some of Rev Wright’s statement? The man that was the spiritual guide for Obama>

I don’t know decon. I heard she has 6 toes on her right foot.

The other fact which our dear april2563 LIES about, is the fact the “closing” she is speaking of occurred on 8/27/10 at Beck’s event he held the night before the Restoring Honor rally.
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Isn’t that so april2563? Are you now going the route of IvyB and lying to people?

About the picture :

Honey you are not that tall, no need to duck.. you see (forgetting there is an umbrella in his hand , raising the hand along with umbrella)… it’s only this high.

I am pretty sure it can be implied here you did

Nope. I implied nothing regarding my opinion of either one of them. You inferred what you wanted to hear. What I was really seeking were some answers from your cowardly pal 3X but he must be taking his afternoon nap. Care to take a shot at answering my questions in 23.1?

“. I implied nothing regarding my opinion of either one of them”

Well you are in full scale denial. Saying neither has anything you want to hear is what? A compliment? Or just your arrogance that you know better.

And no matter how 3x might respond, your mind is made up so spare us the indignation. Trying to convince you about anything as far as Beck./Palin is concerned could as best be described as a waste of good air.

“There has been comment upon my contribution to Democrats… But it happens that I vote for Viacom. Viacom is my life, and I do believe that a Republican Administration is better for media companies than a Democratic one.”
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-Sumner Redstone, CEO Viacom (parent co of CBS)
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There’s a difference between acting on your conscience and knowing which side your bread is buttered on. Push comes to shove, MSM wants Republicans.

“The questioner may have slanted the questions but some of the people answering them made themselves look violent or hateful with their response”

May have? That was the whole purpose. The left, since the Tea Party has come into prominence has been trying to built a case against them for violence, racism etc all without success. The left is not only pathetic but transparent.

allthings,
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I’m not asking your opinion on Social Justice.
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Please read my comment 24.2 again.
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I’m asking you about taking comments out of context and I really would like to have your opinion to the specific example in my post.
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Being Honorable means speaking the truth.

allthings,
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I’m not asking your opinion on Social Justice.
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Please read my comment 24.2 again.
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I’m asking you about taking comments out of context and I really would like to have your opinion to the specific example in my post.

The left, since the Tea Party has come into prominence has been trying to built a case against them for violence, racism etc all without success.

Who’s is full-on delusion now? Without success? Are you kidding? I suppose it was the slant of the questions that made some people suggest that all illegals should be shot or the guy that said Obama can have his guns “one bullet at a time” right? It must have been the media or maybe liberals that made all those tea party protesters make all of those nasty signs and statements at various protests and rallies, yes? I can admit the bias of the questioner in the video in question but why can’t you admit that some of those same protesters are vile and hateful people?

3xfire3,
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1st this is my thread, I started it, I picked the subject, you do not get to interject and change it. I wanted to talk about social justice.
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2nd I have responded to you twice now that I have not taken Beck out of context. This is the third time. It is impossible to take Beck out of Context, His intent is to outrage to begin with. He is very out spoken and he has spoken much about and against social justice, so I think we all know what he means when he says that if church speaks about Social Justice leave it.
“Now, the idea – hang on, am I advising people to leave their church? Yes!”
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3rd if you didn’t care about my beliefs and didn’t listen then I guess you were just the sounding board.
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4th Honor? I was taught to Honor My Mother and Father and, God, By that I take it means to obey them, keep their commandments. Something we all fail at. So I guess I am not very honorable at all. Other things I might Honor is a promise I made like a marriage vow or, a loan. Again we have all broken a promise, so I fail at that not very honorable. Funny thing is I can not think of a think that I have promised Glenn Beck or that he has asked of me. I guess showing deference to someone could be to honor that person, but I refuse to do that with him..

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So you have me 3xfire3 I am not an Honorable person. Happy now?

I work afternoons so I drop off about 2:30 Eastern time and come back around 1 am eastern. I responded on the first page.

“but why can’t you admit that some of those same protesters are vile and hateful people?”

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Yes, there are “some of those protesters”, which in any major group are wing-nuts, who are so far out on the limb it cracks and people would call them extremists.
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Those INDIVIDUALS who you cite are indeed completely out of line. Now, can you do the same?
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Perhaps you also will acknowledge the same who also represent your side of the aisle, Code Pink, PETA, Greenpeace, Enviro-activists (Al Gore), Socialist (Van Jones), and Social Justice wack-jobs (Jeremiah Wright, and James Cone).