Could Palin Be President?

Is Miss Prissy any smarter today than she was three years ago?
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Is she any more of a non-quitter than she was eighteen months ago?
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And another kitty bites the dust.

I guess this will bring out our local swamptards. Those who on here everyday represent Code Pink, Greenpeace, Big Labor’s SEIU wackjobs, ACORN and the rest of the Black Liberation Theology nutballs.
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Go Sarah Go!!

‘Splain what “black liberation theology” is please.

…ah, something we agree on. I want Sarah to run (just don’t ask why). If she’s on the primary ballot I’ll vote for her.

Bush 2 showed that you can be POTUS and not have a fuctioning brain, so I guess that anything is possible.
There would have to be a major insurrection in this country for something as far fetched like this to happen . However, in preparation I’ll be learning the words to “O Canada.”

“‘Splain what “black liberation theology” is please.”

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Let me have the FOUNDER of black liberation theology explain it himself.
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More for you nflfoghorn
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Michael, there’s a spell check error: ”…and it’s far from unthinkable that should could win the 2012 GOP nomination.” That’s supposed to be “shoulda coulda woulda….” As for Sarah, her past history shows she “quits upward” and keeps aiming higher even after quitting / moving on from past jobs, so natural greed will push her to run, but I doubt she’ll unite all the R’s, though probably the TP’s. The old guard / biz / elitist ones might go for Mittens, so R intramural infighting may prevent any ’12 win.

“Could Palin Be President?”

Sheesh! I saw the title and thought that I had somehow navigated to Politico.

The day Palin becomes President is the day I become an ex-patriot.

Michael Crowley:
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Could Palin be president of the political press corps?

oh please. She’s “driving national conversations” THROUGH FACEBOOK. Will she campaign via Facebook too? Win Iowa on Facebook? Accept her nomination at the Republican National Facebook Convention? Conduct press conferences via the comments section?

She CAN’T ANSWER QUESTIONS. Even Bush could do that, sometimes quite effectively.

Will no one think of the kittens?
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(Thanks for that nfl, made my day…)

Oh. It’s your usual misinterpreted drivel. ‘What I thought.

http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2010/08/30/wish-you-were-here/

Her track record shows that she bails out after two years. So, after two years as POTUS, then what? Queen of the Universe – her Royal Skankdom.

I’d be careful of including Greenpeace in your global conspirators list. Greenpeace is actually capable of getting over 100,000 people to show up for their rally.
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We wouldn’t want Glenn to feel….inadequate…now, would we?
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http://tcktcktck.org/stories/campaign-stories/100000-supporters-climate-action

oops–thanks for the catch & the feedback.

The big difference between Obama and Palin is not how many people think they can do the job, but rather how many people think they cannot do the job. Obama, in the surveys you mention, never had over 50% of the population saying he was unqualified. And remember we did not know Obama in 2007. In the last survey 60% believe that Palin is not qualified. We all know about Palin, and having her daughter on DWTS will not help.

“One hundred years later, the life of the Negro is still sadly crippled by the manacles of segregation and the chains of discrimination. One hundred years later, the Negro lives on a lonely island of poverty in the midst of a vast ocean of material prosperity. One hundred years later, the Negro is still languishing in the corners of American society and finds himself an exile in his own land. So we have come here today to dramatize a shameful condition.”
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Martin Luther King, Jr. from the ‘I Have a Dream’ speech

“We cannot be satisfied as long as the Negro’s basic mobility is from a smaller ghetto to a larger one. We can never be satisfied as long as our children are stripped of their selfhood and robbed of their dignity by signs stating “For Whites Only”. We cannot be satisfied as long as a Negro in Mississippi cannot vote and a Negro in New York believes he has nothing for which to vote. No, no, we are not satisfied, and we will not be satisfied until justice rolls down like waters and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
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Martin Luther King, Jr. from the ‘I Have a Dream’ speech

Yes, many things can change, and many will. Time will tell.

She will, of course, be aided along by a media that is terrible at reporting the news.
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Because of the soft bigotry of low expectations for the GOP, political writers take their own excited retweets of her thoughts (“Obaba IZ 2 a SOCIALST B V. AFRAID!!1q!!!) as evidence that she might actually know something about anything.
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The media will continue evaluate and report on her potential candidacy as if she were a candidate for American Idol, with little or no evaluation of the likely results of her proposed policies. What’s the fun of learning about policy, when pundits are be rewarded for baseless, ephemeral, zero-accountability speculation?
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We’d all be better informed if the media just reprinted what they wrote 5-8 years ago. It would highlight their absurdity, irrelevance, and inaccuracy. I came across this 2005 Meet the Press discussion the other day. Breathless speculation about the politics of a campaign a few years in the distance: pointless then, pointless now, and all that can be expected from a profession in tatters. (link)

MR. RUSSERT: Mike Allen, quite interesting. One of the senators that you cover, Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York–let me show you the latest Gallup poll in terms of the presidential race for 2008. Hillary Clinton, 40; John Kerry, 25; John Edwards, 17. What is going on?
MR. ALLEN: Well, everybody’s pining for a Senator Clinton-Secretary Rice race. … Dr. Rice, when she’s asked about running, always jokes about instead being football commissioner, but it’s clear to everybody that’s watching her that she’s enjoying this role and might like another role. Republicans don’t have an obvious person. There’s a new primary for Republicans, the Mehlman primary, the Republican chairman, Ken Mehlman, has told all of them who want to run, you ought to raise money for the Republican Party as a first step forward getting help from President Bush.

I already read Andrew Sullivan, thanks.

I don’t think there is any question that she is the leader of the new Republican Tea Party.

“Democrats who dismiss Palin may do so at their own risk.”

Indeed. I have been saying this to fellow Democrats since the 08 campaign. She was running for President while she was on the GOP ticket with McCain (whose name should be forever associated with bringing this vile woman onto the national stage). The ridiculous jokes that some Democrats amuse themselves with — “Miss Prissy” this and “royal skankdom” that — is whistling past the graveyard, I’m afraid. She has found a choke hold in part of the electorate and she will not be letting go.

Down here there was a time where “black liberation theology” was met with ax handles and baseball bats. Maybe that’s why we react with scorn and disbelief when you use that “whites are being threatened” mantra.
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http://jacksonville.com/news/wikijax/ax-handle-saturday

Glad to do it

stu, I’d argue that she already rules their world….

Please take a look at the link @ 4.2. The Times-Union has never been a tempest of liberalism. Maybe, just MAYBE, you’ll understand.

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She has found a choke hold in part of the electorate and she will not be letting go.”

“Part” is the operative word. Try about 25-30%, the same group that supported Bush to the very end. My attitude about the US public is influeneced by P.T. Barnum and Mencken, but there is no way she will ever be in the White House. You can only fool some of the people. A phrase like
“Democrats who dismiss Palin may do so at their own risk” sounds positively Fox News-like, meaning it has no relation to reality.
As for calling her names, well, she makes it so easy. She is like the old character actor, Elisha Cook, who walked around in most of his films with a “kick me” sign on his back.

Wish you were here
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Quite an ironic title blogwhore because no one wishes you were here.

It’s been quite some time since I last made a comment on this site. And part of the reason is the absolute drivel that now passes for thoughtful media analysis. “Democrats dismiss Palin at their peril” how utterly ridiculous. Just because the news media cannot tell the difference between the public’s tendency to stare at a car wreck on the other side of the road and its genuine interest in a cultural phenomenon, doesn’t mean that voters can’t. They would no more consider Palin for the presidency than Lindsay Lohan. And because the press can’t stop rubbernecking they have imbued the rest of us with the same nonsensical attributes. Palin is a divisive little vixen who is famous for being a down home version of the mean girls and being spectacularly stupid on national TV. Obviously, those Americans with less education get angry when they see someone whose intelligence level mirrors their own get ridiculed, but that doesn’t mean they want soothe those hurt feeling by voting to put finger on the nuclear button, especially when she has famously proven to be unable to pronounce the word.
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Now Michael Crowley your first amendment rights protect your right to beat the Palin for President fantasy until it drops, but don’t you think we might have some other more useful issues to discuss?

I don’t think the Presidency is her intention. She’s a political entertainer with a rabid base. I think she plans to spend the rest of her life separating that base from its money.

If she had wanted to be President she would have stuck it out as Alaska’s governor and tried to accomplish something great that would make life difficult for her skeptical critics. She very consciously did the opposite. Why? Because a governor can’t amass a book, radio and reality TV fortune. She’s less a future President than she is… well… she’s Snooki.

Dee -

Beautifully said.

Michael, one difference that you didn’t mention in your article about the differences between Obama and Palin this far out from the campaign is the absolute wealth of YouTube moments Sarah has out there. The democrats wouldn’t have to use anything other than her own words against her. Having said that, I still feel that if she wants the republican nomination, it’s hers.

There can be no doubt that Sarah Palin is driving the national conversation, even more than the President. When did America start talking about the mosque? When Palin tweeted a comment. When did opposition to the health care bill go into overdrive? When Palin facebooked her infamous “death panel” comment. When did the media start paying serious attention to the Tea Party movement? When Palin spoke at their convention. Does anyone actually watch Obama’s weekly YouTube videos? Yet everything Palin says is dissected, fact checked, and discussed ad nauseam on network news and blogs like this. Certainly anyone that has so quickly controlled the national media cannot be that stupid.

Welcome back Dee. You were missed.

Missed you too sacred I haven’t had a good iternet laugh in a while.

This:

Only one in four Americans consider her qualified to be commander in chief, with 60 percent sure that she is not qualified. Those are awful numbers…

followed by this:

Democrats who dismiss Palin may do so at their own risk.

is pretty wishy-washy. Great way to generate hits, ‘tho. ‘Gratz!

Personally I think that you are asking the wrong question; Palin doesn’t have much of a shot at being President. But could she be the GOP nominee? Sure, if she decides to run. She’ll make motions in that direction to stay in the news, but she won’t go the distance…campaigning like that is too much like work for the former half-term Alaska governor.

I mean, if the fringe right-wingnut brigade’s pet politicians like Sharron Angle and Rand Paul can win Republican primaries over more qualified mainstream candidates, why can’t Palin?

Control, I would hope, isn’t an adequate description. I think reading, or writing, about Palin is the equivalent of watching a massive train wreck in slow motion. Only the train wreck has taken so long to come to its conclusion that the population on the train is reproducing even as they die, and building new cars on the end of the train to ensure more wreckage is always available.
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It takes very little intelligence to engage that kind of attention.

“Could Palin Be President?”
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If McCain had won, she would have been a heartbeat away from the Oval Office. Has anybody else wondered if she would have taken a backseat to McCain if John had won? She wouldn’t listen to him or his advisors during the campaign. Why would she listen to him after the election? What was the title of her book? When people say now that she doesn’t want to be President, she sure seemed interested less than 2 years ago.

More disturbingly, one of the bulletin board systems that I frequent had a topic about whether Beck would make a good president, made by a middle aged father who is arguably right wing. And the supporters of that went similarly down the “Palin-Split.”

In a day and age when Republicans find each of these candidates equally electable, I have to shake my head and wonder what happened to their party.

The difference between Palin’s numbers and pre-election Barack’s numbers are the candidates. Barack was and is able to go stand out in front of people and demonstrate a command of the issues and a command of the English language, not to mention the ability to answer questions pre-screened in front of a crowd that wasn’t pre-screened. Obama had about a year to change people’s minds. It’s been two years since the election, Katie Couric, and the debate with Biden and she’s not showing any sign of improvement. That’s fine with the people that fell in love with her on sight during the campaign but still not fine for the part of the country that uses its’ brains even just a little bit. If people still feel this way some two years or so after she hit the national stage she’s fighting an uphill battle to overcome the initial impression she made and the ample evidence she’s given us since then that she’s not fit to run this country.

This. She has no chance of being president, nor does she even want to be. She didn’t even want to be governor of Alaska and that right there sealed her fate as Glenn Beck’s co-conspirator in the game of bilking the ignorant with dangerous rhetoric.

diecash1, that reminds me of an old cartoon I saw once in a magazine. A guy was being strapped into the electric chair and he was writing a note to his ex-wife. It said “They’re getting ready to throw the switch, wish you were here”.

Isn’t it a bit much to try and compare “pre-’08 election polling about whether then first-term Senator Barack Obama” to the current Palin?

It is not as if at this point Palin is some unknown who could come to capture the hearts and souls of americans.

People are wary of her BECAUSE they’ve gotten to know who she is at this point.

correction, they’re wary of her because what they’ve gotten to know about her since the election has reinforced what they initially thought of her during the election

During the Democrat primaries last time, people argued that Clinton was unelectable because she was so polarizing.
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She’s nothing beside Palin.
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Put her in a Presidental debate with Obama and I can already read the results: Every single core Republican thinks she wins. Every single other person on the planet thinks he wins.
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She’s perfectly set up to run as VP again though. I think she has shown enough engagement (even if I disagree with it all) that she would make a viable classic VP: someone to lob fireballs and pander to the base while the main candidate goes and chases the center.
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However, egos likely forbid her going for VP twice or whoever wins being willing to bottom charge the ticket like that.

Amazing once again, the calories and bile spent on someone who, as the left claims, is so inconsequential, so inferior, so anti-intellectual.

I guess it’s true you fear what you don’t understand

I don’t think so.

Point I was trying to make, before getting sidetracked:
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A better comparison to her would be Hilary Clinton prior to the Dem primaries (2006).
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She’s a nationally known figure who has weighed in a lot of things and her every word is tracked… but one with only a little bit of practical experience.
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What were Clinton’s numbers on these things in 2006? What were they after the 2008 election? Going from memory, but I don’t recall that they changed very much for the good… maybe a little, but would it be enough for Palin to get 50+1?

What is amazing is the adulation given to her by the right when she has proven herself to be so inconsequential, inferior, and anti-intellectual.

You really are deficient aren’t you. The push back isn’t out of fear of Palin its about the disgust with the media for constantly fueling this ridiculous myth when they should be focused on things that really count, that matter to our democracy, that matter to our future. Instead of indulging in this ridiculous form of entertainment they should call poke the donkey.

My point is that we talk about what she wants us to talk about. She reminds me of the Mike Meyers sketch on SNL where the talk show host gets verklempt and gives the audience a topic to discuss amongst themselves. And we dutifully discuss it, from the President on down. Could she be elected president? Well, if Reagan could do it, then anyone can. After all, he was well known for being the stupidest man ever elected president.

Yes but why do you care? That’s the point. Liberals look down on all things conservative, so it would be natural fo rthe left to encourage the love-fest. Unless……

“its about the disgust with the media for constantly fueling this ridiculous myth”

What myth? The media despises her and ridicules her And isn’t what you folks do here the same as the media, so aren’t you part of the the problem then?

If a Non-American Muslim (according to Time poll, not me) can, why can’t Sarah palin?

That certainly sounds familiar. I just don’t understand what some of these blogwhores are thinking. They can’t be so dim as to not realize that it’s not a helpful practice, can they?

“On top of national conversations?????” But totally without substance. She’s a soundbite a second.

Your original question was the correct one :could she be President, and the answer’s “no.” She might be able to get elected, but would be totally, hopelessly lost in the job, unable to take criticism, and unable to persist for 4 years. Name us a position or job she’s held for 4 years. She went to 5 different colleges, for chrissake.

“She went to 5 different colleges, for chrissake.”

So, how many madrasas did Obama goto? or, do you care?

Black Liberation Theology is the latest scare tactic talking point submitted to the Beckian clones.

Michael, the traditional press are hoping for a Palin Presidential run much like they hoped for the Iraqi war:
It makes a good story.
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When you take seriously a woman who communicates through her employer, New Corps, and Facebook, deferring any challenges to her political rhetoric, then you might be able to give her legitimacy.
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I think every Democrat hopes Sarah runs. I suspect if she can find a way to do it with no real effort or need to understand the issues and continue to exploit her kids and make money, she might make a run.

“Black Liberation Theology is the latest scare tactic talking point submitted to the Beckian clones.”
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And, of course, we’re not worrying about ‘Black Liberation Theology’ because Obama is black. Oh no. Of course not. After all, that would reveal us as a bunch of bigots wouldn’t it? Besides, when we’re not busy worrying about ‘Black Liberation Theology’, or worrying about the threat to the country posed by a couple dozen members of the ‘New Black Panthers’, or we’re busy calling him ‘Imam Hussein Obama’ and implying that he’s Muslim.
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No, we’re not racist. Just ask Glenn Beck. He’s taken over the mantle of Martin Luther King. He’s our new civil rights leader. He just doesn’t believe in that whole federal government ensuring equal opportunity thingy (or pretty much anything else that’s important to the civil rights movement).

‘Have to take your word for this. I’ve never went to Fury’s blog. Is he a conspiracy theorist? Or just out for a buck?

So, how many madrasas did Obama goto?
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None.
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16842036/site/newsweek/
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How many mental institutions have you been in?

.. Wow, an Msnbc/newsweek web exclusive !

Now, wonder leftists are so stupid!

Maybe a HomoPost link:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/12/17/kerrey-says-obama-attende_n_77209.html

from the link:

And Obama has acknowleged that as a child in Indonesia he did attend a “Muslim school.”

Or, she’ll become a turkey rancher.
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http://www.break.com/index/sarah-palin-interview-while-turkey-slaughtered.html

If Sarah Palin or Newt Gingrich or any of the Tea Baggers EVER won the presidency of the Untied States ( God Forbid) I would Think the world would experience another Holocaust against Muslims specifically and Minorities in Generals!!!!!!

Are you referring to Saddam?

“In a technical sense, [Bob] Kerrey’s words were not entirely untrue. According to the Merriam-Webster dictionary, the term madrassa means a ‘Muslim school, college or university that is often part of a mosque.’ And Obama has acknowleged that as a child in Indonesia he did attend a ‘Muslim school.’
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“However, madrassa is a charged word because of the schools’ connections to radical Islam. Obama has consistently denied that he was educated in this type of system.”
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Guess where THAT tidbit came from, DarkHeart?!
And are you gay in the Roy Kohn/J. Edgar Hoover “I deny it and ridicule it” type of way?

“Black Liberation Theology is the latest scare tactic talking point submitted to the Beckian clones.”

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I just happened to have been posting comments about Rev Jeremiah Wright and James Cone and their Black Liberation Theology back before Obama was even elected President.
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My hope was to wake up a few of you fools before you even voted for the nutball for President.

“The media despises her and ridicules her And isn’t what you folks do here the same as the media, so aren’t you part of the the problem then?”
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No, Freeper.
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First, there is the right wing media who pushes her out there more than the MSM.
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Second, she is portraying herself as a Mr(s) Smith goes to Washington. Her speeches end up on YouTube. She has defenders like you who keep the discussions going.
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There is this way the media views anti-intellectualism and rebellious rather than counterproductive. There are two ways to view her: She is standing up to intellectual elite and a rebel so that every gaff and error is to her credit, or the more reality based view that lacking intelligence makes one unqualified.
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Every moment she is on TV or YouTube gets her followers more and more riled up.
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If the media were liberal, she would have been forgotten before January 2009.

Rev Jim

“First, there is the right wing media who pushes her out there more than the MSM”

This is another one of those “facts” that you believe if you keep repeating it – it must be true. One only need to look at the history of stories here about Palin- none of which were positive either.

It would be open season on liberals, moderates, gays, atheists, minorities and every other group she doesn’t like too. With no bag limit, no permit required.

unless she is simply a shameless opportunist, and doesn’t believe one single word of anything she has ever said, and, thus, once President, would no longer wish to alienate any future employers, nor diminish the ranks of those who pay the most income taxes.

You mean – go to school, right?
That’s a good idea.
You also need to go to school to develope Your outlook wider than 5th grade’s

it is Disgrace for the Nation, even when such question could be asked.
The Greatest Country in the World has a question – if Idiot could be it’s President?

It is Disgrace.

For all the guessing of will she or won’t she, I think a Palin run would be one of the most entertaining things I can think of. Swampland would be a riot everyday. My fingers hurt just thinking about it.

(someboby’s) lord help us

Have you ever wondered why we never get a Palin, Beck or McCain photo for a “1000 Words”? We get a Biden or an Obama photo and we rip them up. Imagine what we’d do with a picture of Miss Prissy.
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That’s a hint Michael.

I’ve been waiting for Sarah since I’ve been here. 20 months. Nothing. She’s always in the news. Always getting photographed. She’s as political as you can get. Zip.

you really are itchin’, huh?
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betcha’ none of the “right” barkers will join in the fun.
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aw, crap, I’d gonna’ have to give some pretty big odds to get any takers on that bet . . .

I haven’t even given a moment’s thought to what I might post, but yes, I’m itching. I hold back on most of the really tasteless stuff that pops into my mind, but give me a photo of Sarah and I’m f**king Caligula.

somehow, “buddy”, I don’t think you’ll need any prep time
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I, on the other hand, being the ultra-slow typist that I am, will have to pre-compose for copy-paste-submit or I’ll be left at the starting gate with Rod.

charlie,
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“Barack was and is able to go stand out in front of people and demonstrate a command of the issues and a command of the English language, not to mention the ability to answer questions pre-screened in front of a crowd that wasn’t pre-screened.”
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The glow continues dim the longer Obama is in office.
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He’s still great in front of his core but most Americans aren’t so impressed any more.
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His approval ratings show this to be true.
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I’m not trying to be a smart a*s. I only stating what appear to be true for a very large number of people today.
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Palin for President? I don’t think she will run but I do think liberals dramatically underestimate her. She’s a lot smarter then the liberal elite thinks she is and she will help a lot of Republicans win office in November.
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Demonize her, call her names and make fools out of yourselves. You may impress your liberal friends but Sarah will have the last laugh in November.

I can type pretty fast, but I make semi-frequent errors. Errors in posts don’t bother me. If the message gets across, I’m fine with that. You’re right though, I won’t need any prep time. On the thousad word threads things pop up so fast in my twisted little brain that I can’t keep up with them.

milasc,
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“it is Disgrace for the Nation, even when such question could be asked.
The Greatest Country in the World has a question – if Idiot could be it’s President?”
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Hay we were dumb enough to elect a person president who had never managed anything in his life. Not even a lemonade stand.
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Obama has the least management experience of any person to hold the office of President in the last 100 years.
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I guess if you, not me, were dumb enough to elect him, anyone can be elected.

The President with the least amount of management experience has the least number, by far, of senior advisers with any Private Sector Experience. 6% .
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The average for presidents over the last 100 years is approx 35%.
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No wonder our economy is in such trouble. It’s truly the ‘blind leading the blind” in this administration

Patrick,
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“You haven’t responded to me from the other day. You said that executive experience is equal to presidential, gubernatorial or mayoral experience while I said elected office experience is what is important. I explained things very clearly and you have not responded.”
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Patrick I thought I had already beaten you into submission on your post but apparently you need a little more Education.
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I said Obama had the least amount of management experience of any President/CEO to have ever held the office. You said not true and you mentioned Eisenhower, Kennedy and a few others that in your opinion had less experience.
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Patrick let’s compare our Personal Experiences and Educations to see who has more Expertise to make this judgment.
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The following is a partial list of my Experiences and Education:
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1.. Bachelors Degree in Business Administration.
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2.. Master’s Degree in Business Administration.
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3.. 45 years experience of working as a Businessman.
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4.. 31 years experience as President/CEO of a …Company with sales of $35,000,000 a year. …Employing 65 people, 22 of which were Engineers.
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5..This is a company that I started with a mortgage on …my house, my personal savings and a loan from the …Bank.
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6..I was selected as the “Entrepreneur of the Year” in …1997 for Toledo/NW Ohio area.
…The Entrepreneur of the Year Program is sponsored …by NASDAQ, Ernst & Young, The Kauffman …Foundation and USA/Today.
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7..4 years as a member of the Board of Trustees of a …College.
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8..12 years as a member of the Board of Directors of ….a large Regional Bank.
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9..3 years as a member of the Board of Trustees of a
…Regional Hospital.
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10…Recently traveled to China as a member of a …..Delegation from a large American University to …..visit Chinese Universities and Colleges.
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11..Served as an Officer in approx 15 different Civil .…and Religious Organizations.
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12..Served 8 years as an Officer in our Business ….Industries National Association.
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Now Patrick it’s your turn to list your Education and Experiences.
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Please Man Up and don’t do your normal “You don’t believe I’m telling the truth about my experiences. Give you my personal data so you can verify the information.”
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That is the argument of an Immature Loser. Hopefully you don’t take that route and prove that you are a real loser.

Patrick’s Statement,
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“He said elected office experience is more important than management experience for a President.”
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“He said Wait; you are saying that only CEOs can make judgments about who is a better CEO-like politician?”
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3x’s Statement
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“I never said that.”
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“I said Obama had the least amount of management experience of any President/CEO to have ever held the office of President.’
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I Said. “Patrick let’s compare our Personal Experiences and Educations to see who has more Expertise to make this judgment.”
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Read Post 34 above.
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I listed my Experience and Education to illustrate my level of Expertise to understand what Management Skills are required to be an effective Chief Executive Officer.
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Patrick has elected not to list his Experience and Education. Apparently this would be Embarrassing for him in that he has very little of both.
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My point is that the skills required to be a good Politician are different than those required to be a good CEO. Some individuals have developed skills in both area through Personal Experience and Education.
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My Experiences and Education as listed above shows that I have an understanding of what is required to be an effective CEO. I have been an effective CEO and I have supervised a number of CEOs through my role as a member of the Board of Directors and Board of Trustees of several companies and organizations.
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That Patrick actually thinks at his young age, and with his lack of management experience, that he know better then me what it takes to be an effective CEO shows how much he lacks the knowledge to make judgments about CEO requirements.
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I feel a little like Babe Ruth competing with a young man from a little league team who thinks he has more skills and knowledge then the Babe.
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Now Patrick will come back with some nonsense and try and refute my above statements which only shows how immature and ignorant he is about this particular subject.
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Some of you may think I’m being way too hard on Patrick, but after about a half dozen posts and replies on this subject and with Patrick being too immature to know when he is wrong and when to quite, I feel he need to hear the truth about his actions.

3xfire3 @28.1~
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Nice touch emphasizing you were not trying be a smart ss. Thanks.
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But it didn’t come across as smart ss to me before I got to that sentence. It came across as a quite possible inference to consider.
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I’ve got another(s). Is it possible that Obama’s drop in approval rating is not related to his speaking abilities? Might it be related to the fact that he did not immediately implement some way to put tens of millions of Americans to work?.
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I agree that is is possible that Palin is “a lot smarter then the liberal elite thinks”, but maybe still not the kind of smart being referenced. Street-wise, maybe. Crafty, seemingly. A nose for where the big money can be made (book promotions, speaking fees, and infotainment), yes.
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I agree that and that she may “help a lot of Republicans win office in November”, but will she help many win over Democrats that would have won without her help? I’m not too sure.
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Still not sure of your definition of “liberals”, I can only think of the self-described “liberals” i know personally. Among them, I do not think any underestimate Palin — they consider her a scary trend in politics. (such as: whatever your political quarry is for, be against it, even if it was what you were for yesterday.)
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As far as “Sarah . . .hav(ing) the last laugh in November? I guess we will just have to see how that goes.

3x~
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I am interested in this conversation, and will await its next turn
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But, in the meantime, I have to admit that your posts above confuse me a bit.
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1) Which one of you opined, and which of you now opine, that executive management experience is as valuable, or less so, or more so, than is elected office experience as a qualification to be President?
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2) Are you arguing that your extensive executive management automatically experience qualifies you to be wise in determining the relative executive management experience levels of Eisenhower, Kennedy, and Obama (to name a few)? Would one also need to have a good knowledge of what the executive position histories were of the individuals in question? I’m not trying to be a smart ss — maybe you have the information, but simply did not report it.
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3) Are my above questions largely irrelevant because your point is not so much about the subject of Presidential qualifications as it is of your life’s experiences not getting the respect they deserve from patrick? If that is the real point, I am sure there is a better way to go at it than I have watched you two attempt before (although your last post advances the opportunity for resolution much farther than any I have read up until now.)
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4) I have my own opinion on how various types of experience bear on the skills to be President, but I shall refrain from discussing them so as not to complicate this process. (they don’t sound like either of yours or patrick’s)

3x~
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your post at 37.1 seems to say that you feel executive management experience is vital to a Presidency, and yet in your 39.1 you seem to argue that the skills to be a good politician are different from those to be a good executive manager.
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It is those kinds of potentially conflicting expressions of your views which confuse me.
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Can you clarify?

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In your 37,1 you responded to “The Greatest Country in the World has a question – if Idiot could be it’s President?”, by writing: “Hay we were dumb enough to elect a person president . . .”
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Did you not have the same interpretation I did of milascurtains’ point — that it was a disgrace to America to assume that it could even ask itself if it would be OK to elect an idiot. It seems as if you responded to a different interpretation than that. Your response was to a question of ‘would the electorate be dumb enough to elect an idiot?’ Those are quite different things. milascurtain’s point hinges on an electorate being OK with electing a person they knew to be an idiot. Your point hinges on an electorate mistakenly electing an idiot.
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btw, your argument that Obama is rather inexperienced in executive management is NOT an argument that he is an idiot. milascurtain’s assertion that Palin is an idiot was also not based on her level of executive management experience. You may have done like the Supreme Court did with the “corporations have first amendment rights of money spending” did — answer a question of your own choosing instead of the question brought before you.

3x~
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I very much disagree with the idea that the paucity of private sector management in the Obama administration is why our economy is in so much trouble. That is way too long of a subject to elaborate on here, but I could write quite a while on it. Just two snapshots:
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1) Andrew Melon had a boatload of executive management experience in the private financial sector, correct? As Secretary of the Treasury, he used that experience to tweak the economy for the benefit of others in the private sector, setting the stage for the 1929 stock market crash. A similar thing happened during the last administration.
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2) I would argue that Reagan screwed our economy big-time. And since I would argue that he had a paucity of private sector executive management experience, and since his elected office experience was a record of doing the same to California, I might find that to be substantiation for your premise that a lack of private sector management experience can certainly result in a poor ability to well-mange our national economy.
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But if you view Reagan as the Republican God, you might believe that his economic policies were sound. If so, that would belie your notion that it requires extensive private sector management experience in order for a President to manage the national economy well.
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maybe I am missing something here, and you will help me sort it out.

There is a VAST difference between Obama and Palin. Obama graduated from Columbia and Harvard (Summa Cum Laude) and was President of the Harvard Law Review. He taught constitutional law. His speech at the Democratic Convention brought tears to people’s eyes. It was brilliant. Now, we have Sarah who had to attend six colleges and take summer courses to get a BA degree in Journalism. Her speeches consist of loud, screechy catchy, wishy washy, dummy wummny statements. She is FAR from bright. Consider, she didn’t even know Africa was a continent — she thought it was a state. She lies with such ease that she almost, repeat almost, becomes believable. Commander in Chief? Will her enlisted son be her adviser? More than terrifying — no words to describe.

“And are you gay in the Roy Kohn/J. Edgar Hoover “I deny it and ridicule it” type of way?”

.. as much as you love other people to be of your type, sorry to disappoint !

mycophile,
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I’m retired. Don’t make me work so hard. Just kidding
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These posts are from an earlier story which Patrick never answered. They are the last of perhaps 6 comments and replies.
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Mycop 39.2
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1. Patrick believes Elected Office Experience is more important the management experience for a President.
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I believe both are important but executive management experience is most important.
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2. No…. What I am saying, compared to Patrick, my extensive Educational and Executive Mamgement Experience gives me more knowledge as to what is required to be an effective President/Chief Executive Officer of our country.
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When Patrick makes a totally ignorant statement that Obama had more management experience then Eisenhower it show he does not know what he is talking about. Eisenhower Managed millions of people during WWII.
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3. I not looking for respect from Patrick. He is only 39 and does not have the wisdom that comes with age and experience. My hope would be that his mind would be open enough to understand when he does not have the knowledge on a particular subject. Just because he is good at goggling on a computer does not make him an expert.
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Mycop, 39.3
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One thing I learned in my many years as a CEO and as Supervising CEO as a member of Board of Directors and Board of Trustees is that any organization is a team made up of many individuals each of which has their particular strengths and weaknesses.
The skills to be a good Politician are not the same as those required to be a good CEO.
These are different skills. Some individuals have become good at both. Others have not.
My point is that just because someone is a good politician does not mean they will be an effective CEO. An Effective CEO must have extensive management experience. Obama has no significant Management Experience.
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The CEO is like a Head Coach of a Team. It requires a particular set of skills to be an Outstanding Coach. You can have Star Players on the team [like good politicians] who do not have the skills to be an Outstanding Head Coach. They have different skills as all of us do.
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Neither Palin nor Obama are idiots. The only idiots are the liberals who keep degrading and demonizing Palin.
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No I do not believe we would elect an idiot as President. I was simply stating my views related to Obama being elected President and how light his qualifications and that of his support team are.
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It is my opinion that the lack of practical real world business experience is a factor in the Administrations inability to improve the economy.
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With two college degrees my experience is that most professors who have not worked signicantly in the real world are too theoretical to solve real world problems. The best professor I had in college were part timers teaching night classes and working in the real world during the day.
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Obama has few advisors that have any real world experience. The are people who work for non profits, the government, Universities, way too many political types and public sector people. 6% is a small number. Even Carter had 22%. Most Presidents had a balance of about 40-45% private sector experience for advisors and 55-60% without. I have no problem with that percentage. I have learned, through my executive management experience, that the more complete my information is the higher the quality of my decisions. This holds true for any CEO including the President.
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I’m not saying that all advisors should have private sector experience but enough of them should to give a better balance of advice to the President. This would improve the quality of his decisions.
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We can always single out some advisors that didn’t do a good job. That is not the issue. It is only an excuse to try and validate an opinion.
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Speaking of opinions yours and mine about Reagan are dramatically different. We can both spin the data to support our views. Both parties do that daily.

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Alex
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You over rate Obama and under rate Palin. That is your opinion and perception but is not necessarily reality.
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Obama is smart but very much out of touch with mainstream Americans. That’s one of the reasons his approval rating is so low.
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In my 71 years of experience, I have almost always found that the greatest leaders were not the “A” students but the “B” students. The “A” students didn’t understand the real world very well. They were great at theory but poor on rear world applications. That’s why so many of them became college professor.
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Your perceptions and opinions about Palin show a real bias. Try to open your mind a little. The real world isn’t so bad.

3x @ 39.6~
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thanks for taking the time. I retired (left the rat race for a life of living close to the land, non-commercially) at age 33 (and begrudgingly returned to Babylon 15 years later due to a failed marriage, but that is another story), so don’t try to tell me about having to work too hard! (actually, I worked just as hard then, but it was FAR more rewarding, and an immersion in Gnosticism, a period of my life I am very grateful for, despite the immense pain of losing the love of my life, my home, my community, my peace of mind, my old-age support system, my identity, and the feeling of being “in place”)
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Your clarifications help me make much more sense out of what you were trying to say. I would say we probably at least mostly agree. I particularly agree with the notion that a relatively-balanced diversity of perspectives is a much healthier body for brainstorming, no matter the subject.
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Except, as you wrote, about Reagan. I do not know where you lived during his career, but I was in California. My opinions about him have very little to do with other persons’ data. They have mainly to do with what I experienced. I also have family in the Hollywood TV and movie business, whose reports also informed me about the man.
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3x~ my response @41

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You have got to be kidding. Palin is about the most clueless person ever to hit the political scene. She is just plain dumb. You state Obama is out of touch with reality and thus his negative ratings. I see a lot of racism with respect to Obama and even Senate Minority Leader McConnell implies that Obama is Muslim by making statements to the effect (not verbatim) that ‘if the President says he is a Christian’ blah blah blah..Sadly, implying a person is Muslim is negative to many ignorant Americans and very harmful to this country (and a wonderful recruting tool for the Taliban and al-Queda). That cannot be denied. I also see much of his unpopularity with a segment of the population a result of the media constantly harping on negatives. They continually seek to find what is wrong rather than what is right. That was not always the case and certainly not with the best news commentators. President Clinton is probably one of the best presidents we have ever had and he is extremely bright. Second smartest was Carter who was a terrible president. Bush, not smart, is probably the worst president in history. I could go on and on…….

Alex,
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“I see a lot of racism with respect to Obama”
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Your Wrong.
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Disagreeing with someone policies or politics does not make a person a racist.
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There are a small number of people who may not like Obama because of his race. That number is more then offset by having 95% of the black community support him because he is black,