The Foundation Behind Glenn Beck’s Million-Dollar Rally

Glenn Beck’s 8/28 Restoring Honor Rally has already drawn all sorts of criticism. It’s scheduled to take place on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial on the anniversary of Martin Luther King Jr.’s “I Have a Dream” speech – which he delivered on the steps of the memorial in 1963. Given that Beck has said President Obama has “a deep-seated hatred for white people,” some black civil rights feel the rally’s location and scheduling are offensive.

What’s gotten less attention, however, is the group that will financially benefit from the event, the Special Operations Warrior Foundation (SOWF). All proceeds raised through Glenn Beck’s promotion of the event go to SOWF – once costs for the rally itself are covered.

The charity, founded in 1980, provides college scholarships for children of special operations personnel killed in action or in training. SOWF is very well-run, with low administrative costs and a four-star rating from the watchdog group Charity Navigator. Some 160 of its scholarship recipients have graduated from college in the past 30 years and there are more than 100 students in college now.

SOWF, which has only eight staff members, is happily inundated thanks to Glenn Beck’s promotional efforts. The group typically raises money through banquet dinners – the most one of these events has ever raised is $1 million, which caused the SOWF staff to “do a little happy dance,” according to Edie Rosenthal, a retired Navy lieutenant commander and spokeswoman for the group. Since Glenn Beck has started talking about the group on his radio and television shows in advance of the 8/28 rally, some $5 million in donations have poured in. “We’ve never had an event that cost this much either,” says Rosenthal. “I was at the Lincoln Memorial just looking at the number of port-a-potties and the screens that are being set up.”

These and other logistics for the rally cost $1 million, according to Rosenthal; the rest of the money raised will go to SOWF coffers. (This arrangement was enough to cause ABC News, which had donated to the event, to pull out.) Rosenthal says Beck is hoping to personally present her group with a $5 million check at the event. (The group also provides counseling and gives $2,000 grants to families of special operations personnel wounded in combat to help the families travel to the hospital.)

Last night, Glenn Beck invited two recipients of assistance from SOWF on his Fox News show and the charity had one of its biggest fundraising days ever, bringing in $350,000.

This flood of money comes to SOWF at an interesting time. Legislation passed by Congress in 2009 amends the GI bill to provide children of all military personnel killed in the line of duty after September 11, 2001 with full scholarships equal to in-state tuition for a public university, plus a stipend for living expenses and books. This largely duplicates what SOWF does, although Rosenthal said funding from her organization will cover tuition for children whose parents were killed before 9/11 and will also supplement the new government funding. The GI bill, for instance, only pays for four years of college, while SOWF will pay for students to attend school longer if they need to. SOWF also pays for more expensive private college tuition and provides money beyond the limited stipends included in the legislation.

I asked Rosenthal if she worries SOWF’s reputation could be tainted by its affiliation with the divisive Beck. She said SOWF required speakers at the event, who will include Sarah Palin, to sign an agreement promising not to talk politics. “Because we’re involved, it cannot be political,” she says. As for Beck himself, says Rosenthal, “I applaud anyone who stands up and says, ‘I want to do something for the fallen,’ and that is what Glenn is doing. Whatever else he does, as crazy as he gets, that’s a man who stands up.”

So it’s a symbiotic relationship. SOWF gets the largest influx of donations in its history and Beck gets to headline a donor-funded $1 million rally in Washington, DC. Regardless of whether you think Beck’s motives are self-promotional or charitable, or both, there’s some genius in the whole idea.

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  • 53_3

    Kate:
    .
    Whatever happened to the commandment that one “shall not bear false witness”?
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    Is revising civil rights history excepted?
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    Also, does this mean we should admire Goebbels?

  • 53_3

    And why would ABC news contribute in the first place?
    .
    The level of journalism is shocking. I’m hoping that SZ might want to delve in to the details…

  • deconstructiva

    Thanks, Kate. Does Beck’s foundation park their free cash in gold? Next time you see Beck, tell him that those gold coins he’s been buying might be gold-covered chocolate coins, not the real thing (and don’t shake his hand, Kate. You don’t know where that hand’s been).

  • http://dh1976.wordpress.com E. Gray

    It is laughable that Glenn Beck is taken seriously. Worse, that he is even mentioned in the same breath as MLK. If you compare their accomplishments, it’s a joke (see what I mean here http://bit.ly/bs5DPm). In truth all Beck is doing is promoting his celebrity and his books, thus building his wealth. And the Tea Partiers? They are willing dupes to help him, and theyget nothing but the deserved ridicule and derision from having a frat boy and morning zoo DJ their intellectual and spiritual leader.

  • gum0nshoe

    I’m at a loss for how this isn’t going to be political.

  • 53_3

    Rush has his “dittoheads”…

  • Ivy_B

    I keep hearing that Freedom Works is sponsoring this. According to their website they are.

    http://www.freedomworks.org/

    Just in case Will Bunch’s op-ed piece got lost in Morning Reads, I’m posting here. It highlights a far more important aspect of all this.

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/08/26/bunch.beck.history/index.html

  • kevin

    Seriously. Palin could make the weather report political.

  • 53_3

    Hot air and low pressure are GOP…

  • Ivy_B

    Also the Charity Navigator rating is based on 2008 data. That would likely be before Beck began his promotion.

  • nflfoghorn

    I had you covered, Ivy_B, but that’s OK :) .
    .
    What is this “relationship” – you scratch my back, I’ll smack yours?

  • nflfoghorn

    Not political? Then what will Miss Prissy and Bachmann-Turnip-Overdrive speak about? Three-inch pumps??

  • nflfoghorn

    That extra $1M isn’t going to the families, I think.

  • allthingsinaname

    Restoring Honor to whom, by whom and, for whom? Who lost this honor? I ask you Kate, what do you think when the likes of Beck mentions restoring honor?
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    Be honest now.

  • newfreedomblog

  • m0mentom0ri

    “Regardless of whether you think Beck’s motives are self-promotional or charitable”
    .
    There’s nothing charitable about a guy who’s bilking people out of their money by following up his delusional economic collapse rants with a “Buy Gold Now!” commercial for Goldline (“Trusted and Used by Glenn Beck!”). How about a post on his relationship with Goldline? Or how’s he’s ginning up apocalypse scenarios so he can sell “survival seeds” from the Survival Seed Bank?
    .
    The guy’s a huckster and a scam artist. The fact that he drops a couple duckets in the collection box, doesn’t mean he’s not.

  • freeinpa

    Nothing bring out the bat-crap crazy left loons like Beck and Palin.

    3rd Qtr GDP will rise as all of those computer keyboards will need to be repaired for the frothy drool and prescriptions get refilled.

  • m0mentom0ri

    Restoring Honor (and Emptying Your Wallet).
    .

  • newfreedomblog

    Freedom Works is not “sponsoring” this event. They are along with all the other TEA Party related groups helping out with the event providing on the ground assist.
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    You may want to spend a little more time looking at the information rather than spreading further lies. But what else can we expect from liberals today.

  • kevin

    Honoring the 9/11 Families

  • newfreedomblog

    In his own words….Glenn Beck
    .

  • kevin

    Restoring Class

  • nflfoghorn

    Hey Rusty, does some of that scholarship $ go to Bleck U?

  • kevin

    Glenn Beck … in his own words

  • newfreedomblog

  • kevin

    But what else can we expect from liberals today.
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    Competent government that doesn’t result in an economic crash, getting bogged down in a war of choice, and the near loss of a major American city due to utter incompetence?

  • newfreedomblog

  • Ivy_B

    From the Freedom Works website that I linked to above and actually read before I posted.

    This event will be organized by the same coalition that organized the original 9/12 March on Washington — including FreedomWorks, Tea Party Patriots, National Taxpayers Union, The Institute for Liberty and a host of other great free market groups from around the country.

  • newfreedomblog

    You should come listen, pehaps you may be able to understand for yourself instead of being lead like a pig with a ring in it’s nose by the libtarded loons you associate yourself with.

  • kevin

    After looking through his greatest hits in the video at 10.5 — and seriously, that one is more than worth a look — I’m thinking maybe Beck realizes it’s time he try to restore his own honor.
    .
    Nah, that would require his having a soul.

  • northpoleresident

    How insensitive and disrespectfull to trash the symbol of Martin Luther King. I’m glad MLK Jr. spoke out. If they cared so much about MLK’s legacy they wouldn’t have spent their lives destroying it and trying to stick it to minorities.

    How would Beck, Palin and the tea partiers like it if we organized a speech on their hero David Duke’s birthday or on the land where the Klan used to operate?

  • newfreedomblog

  • deconstructiva

    Is Glenn Beck’s mentor Auric Goldfinger? There’s even a physical resemblance.
    .

  • newfreedomblog

    Well as usual IvyB you have your events mixed up.
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    The statement you posted has to do with the PROTEST which Freedom Works is co-sponsoring on 9/12/10 in Washington DC.
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    http://www.freedomworks.org/912-taxpayer-march-on-washington-2010
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    Sorry to confront your lies with facts, but that is life I suppose.

  • newfreedomblog

  • nflfoghorn

    Bleck has Beckerheads :)

  • http://elvisberg.wordpress.com Elvis Elvisberg

    God I hope that this charity isn’t a fleecing operation like his other sponsors, Goldline, Survival Seeds, the White Citizens’ Emergency Committee for Water Defluoridation and Antimiscegenation, etc. It’s good to hear that this group has received good ratings.
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    The larger point here is, it’s wonderful that charities like this exist, and disgusting that they have to. We send people into war, then fail to provide for their care and their children’s well-being if they are unable to– all the while we spend untold hundreds of billions of dollars for nonfunctional space lasers. Pawns in their game, I guess.

  • newfreedomblog

  • nflfoghorn

    I’m thinking the next stop for Bleck’s tour will be Ty Ty, Georgia, where Duke have his famous “I Have a Hood” speech.

  • freeinpa

    I see your level of reading is up to your usual par (Hint: I am not Rusty).

    But thanks for playing and proving the point!

  • nflfoghorn

    …no offense to Ty Ty.

  • freeinpa

    Will he be channeling Robert Byrd?

  • Ivy_B

    Indeed I got my events confused. A polite statement pointing this out would have gotten an apology from me. Calling me a liar doesn’t.

  • nflfoghorn

    RustFreep (TM) is hereby declared interchangeable.

  • nflfoghorn

    should read “gave” his famous…
    .
    Maybe he did channel Byrd, circa 1955.

  • Ivy_B

    And “as usual you got your events mixed up” Don’t know how you come up with “as usual.”

  • m0mentom0ri

    Are you stocked up on gold and Survival Seeds, Freepy? The Beckpochalypse™ is coming!

  • newfreedomblog

    Whatever IvyB. You wouldn’t apologize to anyone except the wackos you associate yourself with anyways.
    .
    But, have a nice day.

  • allthingsinaname

    Here is Rusty’s take on this none political, charitable rally earlier today:

    As MILLIONS of everyday Americans descend upon Washington DC this Saturday. As the Nation’s Mall will be filled to capacity, TIME.com neglects to not only report on this new American movement, but either puts it down as some extremist group, or as TIME.com has chosen to do, ignore it.
    .
    Well let me let you in on a little secret. When over FIVE MILLION AMERICANS show up on the mall near the Lincoln Memorial for a historic rally. You shall not be able to ignore us any longer. Count on it.

    Read more: http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/08/26/morning-must-reads-ammunition/#comments#ixzz0xjWCY87e

  • deconstructiva

    Maybe we should be relieved that Beck is hoarding gold and NOT diamonds…
    .

  • freeinpa

    Price of Gold since Obambi’s Inauguration– up 46%

    Initial unemployment claims 4 wk average of around 483,000 making it nearly 2 million per month hitting the beach right now.

    Seems you have the delusions!

  • sassiestsf

    Scholarships for kids? No matter how many problems I have with Glenn Beck and his ilk, I have no problem with that. Good for him.

    To echo Elvis Elvisber, I’ve always thought it’s kind of strange that we have thousands and thousands of non-profit groups, not to mention religious organizations and their offshoots, to complete the work of educating, healing and providing recreation for our populace — activities which government takes care of in most developed countries. Not that I think it’s a bad thing — God bless ‘em! — but it really is amazing how many groups there are and how much they do, which suggests how much government isn’t doing. To that extent, conservatives should be very happy with the present situation.

  • newfreedomblog

    “How would Beck, Palin and the tea partiers like it if we organized a speech on their hero David Duke’s birthday or on the land where the Klan used to operate?”

    .
    Go right ahead my friend. Knock yourself out!!! Gather up a whole gaggle of the libtards right here on this very site. How many can we expect. 20? 30? People?

  • newfreedomblog

  • freeinpa

    “RustFreep (TM) is hereby declared interchangeable.”

    So directs the Grand Puba of the Tin-foiled helmet clan.

    ==
    And Yes moronmom I do have a fair allocation to gold as do many astute investors (Buffet, Soros). And I have no idea what “Survival Seeds: are? And more importantly nor do I care.

    If Beck is a flimflam man as you stamp your feet and insist, why has law enforcement not put a stop to it. He is no worse than Algore who drums up global warning crap for his “Green Companies”–And the green is $$$ in Algore’s pocket

  • kevin

    Price of Gold since Obambi’s Inauguration– up 46%
    .
    All that proves is that the gullible little sheep who watch Fox News all day are just as easily convinced by the ads that are trying to scare them as they are by the news stories that are trying to scare them.
    .
    Jimmy Swaggart and Oral Roberts made a ton of money fleecing the gullible too. Just because they conned people out of their money, that didn’t make them right either.
    .
    But please, conservatards, keep pouring your money into gold. When the Beck-puffed bubble in the gold market bursts, you’ll all be broke.

  • newfreedomblog

    Yea, I wouldn’t attack investment in gold as it is now the number one investment of any type of investment going on right now.
    .
    As freeinpa pointed out, George Soros has even divested his huge portfolio from over 20 billion down to a mere 5 billion. Now what is George investing in you ask?
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    GOLD and other precious metals. Imagine that!!
    .
    http://stockmarketinvestmentnews.com/cramer-investing-in-gold-a-win-win

  • nflfoghorn

    “If Beck is a flimflam man as you stamp your feet and insist, why has law enforcement not put a stop to it. He is no worse than Al [G]ore…”
    ,
    It’s free and protected speech (untrue as it is), not criminal speech. Why would the cops be involved?
    .
    So you admit that Bleck is a flim-flam man?

  • allthingsinaname

    I’ll Bet the Press will cover it like a political event.

  • deconstructiva

    Now if Beck decides to hoard water…
    .

  • m0mentom0ri

    Actually, Ivy, that was Rusty being polite. He usually responds with something along the lines of:
    .
    “How about this idea, why don’t you just simply eat $hit and die quickly???”
    .
    http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/08/13/obama-breaks-his-silence-on-cordoba-house/comment-page-1/#comment-189943

  • kevin

    I urge all the conservatives here to put every dime they have in gold. Liquidate everything — your house, your retirement portfolios, your savings — and just put your faith in the Holy Prophet of Gold Glenn Beck.
    .
    And whatever you do, ignore news segments like this one from CNBC predicting a “Gold Bubble.” It’s just the Lame Stream Media peddling more of its dirty dirty lies.
    .
    http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=1560330985&play=1

  • edismeiamhe

    Gee! you can almost smell the tension in this article.

    You get the impression that the writer is just on the verge of condemning the 8/28 event, but having looked under every rock…can’t find anything significant to base that denouncement upon.

    However, she leaves the impression that extending a helping hand to stricken war verterans is somehow a…suspect and spurious cause?

    In the meantime, my hat’s off to Glen. He is doing good works, and is confounding his critics and his detractors who can’t stomach his large following and his program’s successes.

    In the meantime he is telling it like it is. Your won’t find the weenies at CNN, ABC, NBC, and CBS, doing anything but lauding the Big “0″, glossing over his mistakes, and rolling over… “Yesa boss”.

    What this nation needs is more Glen Becks.

  • newfreedomblog

    Yea, sassie, it is a pretty great thing. It is called Capitalism. It has been going on now for over 234 years.
    .
    Isn’t that amazing?? 234 years!!

  • sacredh

    “She said SOWF required speakers at the event, who will include Sarah Palin, to sign an agreement promising not to talk politics. “Because we’re involved, it cannot be political,”

    So what happens if she gets all politically-speechy? Will they drag her off by her hair? Will they shake their fingers at her and smile? Will she be banned from any further events sponsored by SOWF?

  • kevin

    What this nation needs is more Glen Becks.
    .
    Oh, we have tons of Glenn Becks. It’s just that the vast majority of them are currently committed in psychiatric institutions, getting the mental health care they so badly need.
    .
    Beck’s just the one in a million who made it to a microphone.

  • kevin

    Should someone tell Rusty that America didn’t invent capitalism? No?

  • m0mentom0ri

    Investing in gold is viable, if questionable, investment.
    .
    Buying gold from Goldline at its ridiculous mark-up is throwing away money, unless you think lining Glen Beck’s pockets is a good investment in your future.
    .
    If you haven’t heard of the Survival Seed Bank, then you’re not a Glenn Beck listener. For more info on that scam see http://www.mediaite.com/online/make-sure-your-crisis-gardens-are-ready-for-the-impending-government-collapse/
    .
    And, finally, just because a law isn’t broken, doesn’t mean its not a scam. Caveat emptor protects conmen, along with being good advice to honest folk.

  • newfreedomblog

    Great comment!!

  • sacredh

    “It is called Capitalism. It has been going on now for over 234 years.”
    .
    I’m to see you include the past year and a half under President Obama’s leadership as Capitalism. Just like under all the other Presidents. See…you were worried and all for nothing.

  • m0mentom0ri

    “Price of Gold since Obambi’s Inauguration– up 46%”
    .
    “The average Goldline markup was 90% above the melt value of the coin. The largest markup on any coin was 208% above the melt value”
    .
    Gold may or may not be a good investment. Goldline is a scam.
    .
    http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2010/07/glenn-beck-goldline/

  • kevin

    I never thought you’d agree with me that Glenn Beck is a psychopath, but thanks all the same, Rusty!

  • grape_crush

    She said SOWF required speakers at the event, who will include Sarah Palin, to sign an agreement promising not to talk politics. “Because we’re involved, it cannot be political,” she says.

    And if/when it ends up that way anyhow, Rosenthal will still cash that fundraising check.

    If this isn’t a political event, then why are only right-wingers invited? If the SOWF will solicit money and support from someone like Beck, why haven’t I been approached?

  • freeinpa

    “All that proves is that the gullible little sheep who watch Fox News”

    So the gullible sheep are the Global Central Banks who are now currently the largest purchasers of gold, HF funds, Bill Gross at PIMCO, George Soros, Warren Buffet. Who knew?

    Seriously get back on your meds your just a moron.
    =

    Gold may or may not be a good investment. Goldline is a scam.

    ==
    So is Social Security but I don’t think you have the same issues do you?

  • textee

    Who do Time magazine, the Washington/New York/American/Arab press corps and the rest of the red-eyed, frothing-at-the-mouth left hate the most: Glenn Beck or the United States military? Or is it the United States? God? Biological families? Rush Limbaugh? George W. Bush? The Boy Scouts? Wal-Mart? Halliburton? Diebold? Fox News? SUVs? The internal combustion engine? Blackwater? Karl Rove? Dick Cheney? George Washington? The rule of law? BP? The Miss America pageant? Golf courses? The NRA? The United States Constitution?

  • freeinpa

    Kevin still testing positive for stupid I see.
    =

    “I urge all the conservatives here to put every dime they have in gold. Liquidate everything — your house, your retirement portfolios, your savings — and just put your faith in the Holy Prophet of Gold Glenn Beck.
    .
    And whatever you do, ignore news segments like this one from CNBC predicting a “Gold Bubble.”
    =
    No sensible investor puts all investments in one asset class but liberals only understand spending not saving and investing. Its the same reason during the tech bubble when 80 year old grandmothers put half of their assets in dot.bombs because their enlightened grandchildren thought they would go up forever..

    == Oh by the way they are also talking about a “bond bubble” I guess everyone should dump all US Treasury bonds. Just think China could make us Zimbawe in 3 days if they followed your sage advice. Although Obama’s policies may get us there too

    Please step away from the keyboard before you hurt yourself

  • nflfoghorn

    Somebody also tell’em that Earth is not literally 6000 years old ;)

  • nflfoghorn

    Just you.

  • newfreedomblog

    In your dreams little kevie. In your dreams! (wet ones I am sure, panty-a$$ed liberal pi$$ wet dreams).

  • freeinpa

    Still having trouble reading. No surprise again. No I was following MoronMom line of “thinking” that if Beck is such a flimflam man as she believes why has he not been arrested or do you in typical liberal fashion just want to bash Beck and nothing he has done is illegal.

  • newfreedomblog

    Come on down grapey. You are invited. Everyone is invited.

  • newfreedomblog

    Now textee, they love all the bleeding heart liberals, and the terrorists who want to build a mosque next to ground zero too!!

  • allthingsinaname

    Gee I didn’t know you felt that way.

  • freeinpa

    “You get the impression that the writer is just on the verge of condemning the 8/28 event, but having looked under every rock…can’t find anything significant to base that denouncement upon.”
    =
    First of all, the truth has never gotten in the way of the left when they want to trash somebody. But you can observe here the looney left frothing (again) about Goldline

  • freeinpa

    Well why would the looney left go? If Beck is as sleazy and devious as they claim is there a rational explanation for them to attend. It seems that would be a waste of resources to send invitations. And second the right gives more to charity than the left

  • kevin

    No, no, ignore all those crazy liberals who are pointing out the 90% markup that Glenn Beck’s Goldline Fleecing Factory uses on the people he lures there.
    .
    I urge you all not only to convert all your money into gold holdings, but to do so through Goldline. Sure you’ll cut in half the actual amount of gold you get if you purchase it through Goldline, but just think — when the gold bubble bursts, you’ll only have half as much to lose!

  • shepherdwong

    And I have no idea what “Survival Seeds: are? And more importantly nor do I care.”
    .
    You do realize that not caring whether or not you’re an arrogant know-nothing @sshole leads directly to….well, never mind.

  • 3xfire3

    newfreedom,
    .
    “Whatever IvyB. You wouldn’t apologize to anyone except the wackos you associate yourself with anyways.”
    .
    Newfreedom, You nailed that 100%
    .
    Ivy_B apologies? You’re Joking Right?
    .
    Ivy_B has never apologies to a conservative. All he does is talk trash to conservatives.
    .
    He are she is not even capable of a rational debate with a conservative.

    .

  • m0mentom0ri

    “Its the same reason during the tech bubble when 80 year old grandmothers put half of their assets in dot.bombs because their enlightened grandchildren thought they would go up forever.”
    .
    But buying gold at 90% – 200% mark-up is an ‘enlightened” investment? And its not being sold as an investment – Goldline legally can’t do that, that’s why they sell you ‘collectible’ gold coins – it’s sold as a hedge against the oncoming global economic meltdown. Gold isn’t being presented by Goldline as part of a diversified portfolio, it’s presented as your only hope or survival.
    .
    By the way, the average age of a Glen Beck viewer is 67. That’s why this scam makes me so angry. Who do you think is putting ‘half their assets’ into the Goldline scheme? The elderly. Glen Beck is lining his pockets with money from our grandparents.
    .
    You reference Social Security somewhere else. Which is inane. There’s no predatorial mark-up on investing in Social Security, no matter what your political opinion of that program. Comparisons between Social Security and Goldline are comparisons between apples and hideously marked-up oranges.

  • m0mentom0ri

    “nothing he has done is illegal.”
    .
    Nothing Tiger Woods or Mel Gibson did was illegal either. That doesn’t mean it wasn’t wrong. When did the conservative measure of right or wrong become limited to what you can prove in court? I thought conservatives were for a higher moral measure.
    .
    One of the great things about America is the freedom to spend your money as you chose. If you want to line Glen Beck’s pockets, you’re free to do so, knock yourself out.
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    For everyone else: Caveat emptor.

  • kevin

    Glen Beck is lining his pockets with money from our grandparents.
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    Well, your grandparents, really. I’m pretty certain that Rusty and Freeinpa and 3xfire are all in the neighborhood of 60.
    .
    Years, not IQ points.

  • 3xfire3

    Kevie,
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    Beck has 1,000 times more honor than you and the rest of the Liberals on this site will ever have.
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    You read and watch comments and videos taken out of context by left wing sources who are trying their best to discredit Beck and you make your stupid dishonest statements about him.
    .
    Unless you’re willing to watch and/or read Beck’s own shows and books, you have no right to lie about this honorable man.

  • freeinpa

    Markup on autos 25%
    Furniture 80%
    Books 40%
    Ipods 153%
    Beauty Salon Products 100%
    =

    Once again Kevin you see th ename Beck and go bat crap crazy. In the end there is intrinsic value to gold but nearly none in the list above. Yet you only rant at Beck.

    A sign of a serious mental disorder (Its called liberalism)

  • m0mentom0ri

    “And second the right gives more to charity than the left”
    .
    Bold claim. Got proof?

  • freeinpa

    Indeed I got my events confused. A polite statement pointing this out would have gotten an apology from me. Calling me a liar doesn’t”

    =
    I think he was just following protocol set by the liberals here.

  • kevin

    When did the conservative measure of right or wrong become limited to what you can prove in court?
    .
    When all those conservative politicians found themselves to be defendants in court or the subject of federal criminal investigations.

  • freeinpa

    Yes

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/conservatives_more_liberal_giv.html

    Now you and the rest can spend 2 hours denigrating the source, people involved etc.

  • m0mentom0ri

    Hey textee! I know you were hatin’ on liberals for hatin’ on everything else, and I don’t want to interrupt your hatin’, but I just wanted to know if you were hatin’ on liberals because they’re hatin’ on you or just because hatin’ on liberals is what hatin’ conservatives do while they’re waiting on the next thing to be hatin’?

  • kevin

    Gosh, are there other sellers out there producing those products without the same markup? No? Then the comparison is meaningless.
    .
    Goldline tacks on 90%+ markups for the exact same product that their competitors offer. This isn’t some industry-wide markup like you see in so many products, this is something that Goldline added because they knew the idiots who watch Beck would be too stupid to do any comparison pricing.
    .
    Christ, you’re an idiot. I’m almost going to miss you when you lose the Angle-Reid bet in November.
    .
    Almost.

  • newfreedomblog

    Mometoad:
    .
    Hate is a liberal defined term. One only needs to come to this very site and see it practiced everyday by people like you my friend.
    .
    Nothing in the world defines liberalism more than the word hate. That is all they have left in their sorry, pitiful lives.

  • m0mentom0ri

    “Now you and the rest can spend 2 hours denigrating the source, people involved etc.”
    .
    This may surprise you, but I don’t automatically throw out data, just because it’s in conflict with my world view. The research seems sound and credible. Thank you for providing a link.
    .
    Though the data doesn’t necessarily conform to your premise. Charity correlates closer to religion than politics. From your link: “One demonstration that religion is a strong determinant of charitable behavior is that the least charitable cohort is a relatively small one — secular conservatives”
    .
    Perhaps it’s not conservatism that drives charity, maybe it’s religion.

  • gum0nshoe

    nfb, a few words come to mind for you: delusional, shill, naive, ignorant, abrasive, disrespectful, lacky

    But, I honestly don’t hate you for it. Its just who you are, and that’s unfortunate. I’d say pity is more apt to describe my feelings toward you.

  • m0mentom0ri

    “people like you my friend”
    .
    This from a guy who recently said, “why don’t you just simply eat $hit and die quickly???”
    .
    Rusty, you’re the worst. In this very thread you’ve said, “wet ones I am sure, panty-a$$ed liberal pi$$ wet dreams” and yet you feel like you have the privilege to criticize. Spare us.
    .
    I’d ask you to cite where I’ve been half as rude as you were in the above quotes, but the fact that you called me “Mometoad” doesn’t exactly inspire hope for a cogent and thoughtful debate. The fact is this: You get on here every day, sling crap at us, then pretend to be offended when you’re called on it. Never mind that you seem to get progressively less coherent and less polite as the day progresses.
    .
    If you were capable of a serious debate, you’d get one. If you behave like a jerk, you’ll get treated like a jerk. Them’s the rules of the road.

  • kevin

    Oh, no! If I lie about this honorable man, I might make him cry!

  • skinair02

    Let’s see, a rally about restoring honor in our lives, relationships and in our government and giving the money you earn from the rally to the widows and orphans of some of our countries bravest men, that is a horrible thing to do on the anniversary of another great man who called for honoring the character of a man rather than judging to color of his skin. Some of the debates in this string of comments tell you just how necessary this event is and more importantly how much we all need to put aside cultural relativism and seek to live with honor. God help us all.

  • newfreedomblog

    O’ screw your liberal rules of the road pal. You started your crap with me a long long time ago and you know it. Everyday you post nothing but horsecrap about what I have said, most of it completely out of context.
    .
    Go cry your liberal heart out on someone else’s shoulder, you get a deaf ear when it comes to mine.
    .
    You have no desire at all just like you other toad-like 3rd graders you hand out with IQ53 and little kevie. Period.
    .
    Like I have said to IQ53 on many many occassions, PI$$ off!!

  • 53_3

    Hey Rusty!
    .
    At least you didn’t tell me to eat sh!t and die quickly…

  • grape_crush

    Yes.
    .
    Not so fast…It’s not as simple as a ‘liberal vs conservative’ framing.
    .
    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2009253657_charity23.html

    The generosity of poor people isn’t so much rare as rarely noticed, however. In fact, the nation’s poor donate more, in percentage terms, than higher-income groups do, surveys of charitable giving show. What’s more, their generosity declines less in hard times than the generosity of richer givers does.
    .
    “The lowest-income fifth [of the population] always give at more than their capacity,” said Virginia Hodgkinson, former vice president for research at Independent Sector, a Washington, D.C.-based association of nonprofit agencies. “The next two-fifths give at capacity, and those above that are capable of giving two or three times more than they give.”
    .
    The Bureau of Labor Statistics’ latest survey of consumer expenditure found that the poorest fifth of U.S. households contributed an average of 4.3 percent of their incomes to charitable organizations in 2007. The richest fifth gave at less than half that rate, 2.1 percent.
    .
    Faith probably matters most, said Brooks, president of the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative Washington policy-research organization. That’s partly because above-average numbers of poor people go to church, and those who attend church give more money than nonattenders to secular and religious charities, Brooks found.

    I can’t find stats on non-religious giving or estimates on what would happen if the tax break for charitable donations wasn’t in place.

  • 53_3

    I’d go farther, foghorn, but then I would be out of bounds…

  • 53_3
  • apr2563

    Ivy_B: I always am amazed at the reactionary reasoning on this site. They consider all liberals on this site as evil liars. Therefore, the perception they choose to have enables them then to be evil liars.

  • 53_3

    Oh, Rusty You Stupid, Stupid Doggie!
    .
    in re 10.6:
    .
    The many thousands in the background are Black Americans attending the Black Family reunion also on 9/12.
    .
    The total attendance for the BFR was estimated at 767,000.
    .
    The total attendance for the tebaggers was 13,000.
    .
    You decide just who the people in the background are…

  • m0mentom0ri

    “You started your crap with me a long long time ago and you know it.”
    .
    Examples, Rusty, examples.
    .
    I’ve never called you a ‘conservatard’ or any other such ad hominen. I don’t make personal attacks against you or curse at you. When I quote you, I usually provide a link for context.
    .
    You act like a child Rusty, and still you get treated with more respect than you either give or deserve.

  • 53_3

    I have a hunch I know why these right wing crackheads avoided this years BFR…

  • 53_3

    Except for one teensy weensy problem, skinairo2:
    .
    Riddle me this:
    .
    Whey isn’t this selling in the Black Community?
    .
    MLK got your tongue?

  • apr2563

    Beck said he didn’t know his ego party was the same date as MLK’s “I Have a Dream Speech”. Just coincidence that he scheduled it at the Lincoln Memorial. He is only going to speak from bullet points so he can hear God speaking to him.
    If you believe that, I have some over priced gold to sell you.
    Dusty Rhodes Beck, Elmer Gantry Beck, Glen Beck…
    same family.

  • newfreedomblog

    Will Bunch? A far left liberal propagandist is all you have to discredit, Dr Alveda King, the neice of Dr Martin Luther King Jr?
    .
    You are truly nuts, no doubt about it.

  • 53_3

    I have gilded some turds. I’ll trade you for some shares in Goldline…

  • 53_3

    Rather than p!ss off, why don’t I just give you the appropriate salute, Rusty?
    .
    Here ya go:
    .
    (_).)ppppffffffttt ffffFffpppPPPPtttt plplplplpl….

  • newfreedomblog

    You are truly full of crap as usual, IQ53. Just like the rest of the libtards on thi site.
    .
    Show you video if you have it. Here is mine. Take a close look at all of the protesters assembling and going down Constitution Ave. Where they also the “Black Family Reunion too?”
    .
    Why do I even bother with you?
    .

  • vstillwell

    the only ‘tard around here is you newfreedombigmouth.

  • grape_crush

    Come on down grapey. You are invited. Everyone is invited.
    .
    I have to work this weekend…sucks.
    .
    The underlying point still stands, ‘tho: this event doesn’t cater to the broader population, as it’s very much a right-wing ‘for us, by us’ event.

  • newfreedomblog

    Yup….one big happy Black Family Reunion!!
    .

  • 53_3

    I see that 3xfire3 has figured out how to deal with the many thousands of videos documenting GOP misdeeds and miscues.
    .
    They have all been taken out of context.
    .
    Tell me, 3xfire3, was the right context maybe, say, 1955?
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    jeopardy.wav
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  • 53_3

    Well, Rusty, I think I’ll stick with the Black community – and those of us white people who feel you are more an embarrassment than an “ass-set”.
    .
    Keep cherry picking those believers in alien abductions…

  • 53_3

    It is odd that ABC news would underwrite the revision of history. It sucks when it’s the same history I lived through and remember…

  • skinair02

    53-3
    My tongue is fine. I was just busy doing my job. All of humanity in all of it’s colors talks out of both sides of their collective mouths. MLK was a great man. When someone like you wants to claim him as being owned by one race, it diminishes his stature. But it happens, he was black so only blacks should look up to him. What Beck is asking people to do is own great ideas for all men, not reserve them for the speakers race. Isn’t that exactly what MLK stood and died for. You seem to need a history lesson and a definition of honor, try Websters. You dishonor what you speak about without realizing it.

    It isn’t selling? Your research is? If it isn’t, then we are not post racial and I guess I have to stop admiring MLK and anyone who thinks he had great ideas. You miss the point to here yourself blog.

  • 53_3

    What about the history revision?
    .
    I was around. What is being preached there has nothing to do with honor or MLK.

  • 53_3
  • 53_3

    There are plenty of statistics around about Glenn Beck’s Black listenership, which is about 1.4%.
    .
    I have been around the Black community about 40 years, so I have that knowledge as well.
    .
    In addition, there are many statistics showing that Black support for the GOP, and the teabaggers in particular is miniscule.
    .
    On the other hand, I think it’s ok that someone wants to honor MLK on that day. I do. But I do not make any attempts to twist or revise history as it occurred
    .
    To do that is a vile dishonor of the man…

  • gum0nshoe

    The real problem with this is of course the vapid idea that America as a whole lost its honor somewhere along the line. How we lost it isn’t clearly defined, but apparently we must donate our money to give it back. While I wouldn’t argue against the cause being proffered, I don’t see how it would restore any supposed lack of honor of mine, which I don’t acknowledge existing in the first place.

    Now, this begs a question, just what is Glen Beck getting at? The truth is he probably doesn’t know. He tends to fly by the seat of his pants and draw opinionated conclusions that have rarely been backed up by fact, especially since he often makes up facts to support his foregone conclusions.

    While the destination of the money might not be a bad place, I’m not sure the ends justify the means. I’m not sure that anything he says will “restore honor.” And its hard for me not to view this charity as a gimmick on his part. One that will ultimately do good for children, while luring (un)suspecting people in for whatever speech he gives.

  • newfreedomblog

    Gee no video. Just like there is no video of the TEA Party spitting or calling any of the clowns who said their were called the N-word during the healthcare protests.
    .
    Imagine that. Just some lame stream far left liberal blogger.
    .
    That is ALMOST as good as your Will Bunch link.
    .
    Keep on truckin’ IQ53, you have a long LONG ways to go.

  • freeinpa

    “But buying gold at 90% – 200% mark-up is an ‘enlightened” investment?”

    No any one buying any investment should be aware of what they are buying. If they are not they can and will suffer the consequences. If what Goldline is doing is illegal they will suffer the consequences.
    =
    “Well, your grandparents, really. I’m pretty certain that Rusty and Freeinpa and 3xfire are all in the neighborhood of 60.
    .
    Years, not IQ points”
    =
    That is the closet you may ever be on this site to being right.

    It would be close to total IQ points if you combined most of the liberal here.
    ==
    “There’s no predatorial mark-up on investing in Social Security”

    No it is a ponzi scheme–always has been

  • newfreedomblog

    I was around. What is being preached there has nothing to do with honor or MLK.
    .
    What is being preached? What is the revision of our history you lay claim to?
    .
    Is it this?
    .

    A Colorful Revolution
    July 18, 2010 – 1:41 ET
    .
    Signer William Whipple from New Hampshire provides an opportunity to present an element of the Revolution that is rarely mentioned today: the role of people of color—of non-white Americans—in securing America’s independence.
    .
    After signing the Declaration, Whipple entered military service as a captain, later becoming a general over his state’s militia. When he initially set out for Washington’s army, he took his slave Prince. Along the way, he turned to Prince and told him that if they were called into battle, he hoped Prince would “behave like a man of courage and fight bravely for his country.” Prince replied, “Sir, I have no inducement to fight; but if I had my liberty, I would endeavor to defend it to the last drop of my blood.” When Whipple heard this statement, an epiphany occurred; how true were those words! He turned to Prince and freed him on the spot.
    .
    This action by Whipple represents something common in the years leading up to the Revolution. As explained by Founder John Jay (a president of the Continental Congress):
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    Prior to the great Revolution, the great majority… of our people had been so long accustomed to the practice and convenience of having slaves that very few among them even doubted the propriety and rectitude of it.
    .
    For many white Americans, slavery was so much a part of the culture that it never crossed their minds to question it; but the Revolution brought a change. As Jay acknowledged:
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    That men should pray and fight for their own freedom and yet keep others in slavery is certainly acting a very inconsistent as well as unjust and perhaps impious part.
    .
    Consequently, many Founders who owned slaves before the Revolution freed them; and numerous became involved in anti-slavery activities, leading abolition societies, or passing anti-slavery laws. Their states even began abolishing slavery, including Connecticut (1777), Massachusetts (1780), Pennsylvania (1780), Rhode Island (1784), Vermont (1786), New Hampshire (1792), New York (1799), New Jersey (1804).
    .
    Prince Whipple did fight for America’s liberty and was an excellent soldier. He accompanied General Washington in the legendary Christmas Day crossing of the Delaware (Prince is believed to be the man on the oar in the front of Washington’s boat in the famous 1851 painting of the Crossing of the Delaware). Then after participating with Washington in the Battle of Trenton, Prince also fought in the battles of Saratoga in 1777 and Rhode Island in 1778. Prince directly attended General Washington and the general staff throughout the Revolution, serving as a soldier and aide at the highest levels.
    .
    Prince was representative of thousands of black patriots who fought for American independence. Others included:
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    • Wentworth Cheswell — elected to office in New Hampshire in 1768, he made a Paul Revere-like ride to rouse patriots
    • Salem Poor — a soldier in the battles of Bunker Hill, Saratoga, and Monmouth, he endured the devastating winter at Valley Forge
    • Peter Salem — a decorated hero at the Battle of Bunker Hill
    • Prince Estabrook — a black Minuteman wounded at Lexington
    • James Armistead — America’s first double spy
    .
    These are just a few examples of the thousands who fought side-by-side with their white friends during the Revolution to achieve independence
    for all Americans.
    .
    But the patriots in the American Revolution were not just black and white, they also included Hispanics such as Juan Miralles, Bernardo de Galvez, and Francisco Saavedra; and many Irish fought alongside the Americans, including General Richard Montgomery and Commodore John Barry. There were also Frenchmen such as General LAFAYETTE and Admiral DeGrasse; Poles such as Count Pulaski and General THADDEUS KOSCIUSZKO; Germans such as Generals De Kalb and Von Steuben; and others. Additionally, many Eastern Indian tribes joined the cause, including the Stockbridge, Passamaquoddy, St. John’s, Penobscot, Oneidas, and Tuscarora tribes.
    .
    The American patriots were not just men of all colors and nationalities, they numbered women as well, including:
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    • Mercy Otis Warren — America’s first female historian, called “The Conscience of the Revolution”
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    • “Captain” Margaret Corbin — when her husband was wounded, she took over his cannon and fired with deadly accuracy; she was seriously wounded and was granted a lifetime military disability by the Continental Congress
    .
    • Deborah Sampson — posing as a man, she entered and served in the Continental Army
    .
    • Abigail Adams — she was the source of accurate military intelligence for her husband, John, and the Continental Congress
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    • Sybil Ludington — she made an all- night Paul Revere-like ride of 40 miles through New York, calling patriots to arms against a British attack
    .
    • Mary Ludwig Hays — when her husband was shot, she took his place in the artillery corps and was awarded a military pension by the Pennsylvania legislature.
    .
    Furthermore, the patriots were not just Christians but also Jews, including notables such as:
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    • Haym Salomon — who helped secure the financing for George Washington to continue the Revolution
    .
    • Isaac Moses — a blockade runner carrying supplies to American troops
    .
    • Major Benjamin Nones — a leader in the battles of Savannah and Camden
    .
    • Mordecai Sheftall — a patriot leader in Georgia
    .
    • Francis Salvador — the first Jewish patriot to die in the Revolution
    .
    • Colonels David and Isaac Franks — military as well as synagogue leaders
    .
    In short, the Revolution was fought by American men and women— black, white, and brown; Christian and Jewish Americans; English, Polish, Irish, French, and German Americans—but Americans all; and every one of them committed to securing liberty, self-government, and unalienable rights.
    Reviewing the diversity of the patriots who fought beside each other in the American Revolution, one is reminded of the wholesome definition of “American” taught to immigrants in previous generations. As a 1941 immigration text explained:
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    What is an American? An American is a man who is greater in his soul than in his class, creed, political party, or the section in which he lives. To be an American, a man must have an American soul and believe in the spiritual realities upon which America rests and out of which America was born. America was created to unite mankind by those passions which lift and not by the passions which separate and debase… The man who seeks to divide men from men, group from group, interest from interest in this great Union is striking at its very heart.
    .
    It is time to re-embrace this definition and reject the post-structuralism, de-constructionism, and identity politics that seek to divide Americans rather than unite us. We must not allow epluribus unum (out of many, one) to become e unum pluribus (out of one, many). As George Washington admonished:
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    The name of ‘American,’ which belongs to you in your national capacity, must always exalt the just pride of patriotism more than any appellation [title] derived from local discriminations. With slight shades of difference, you have the same religion, manners, habits… With such powerful and obvious motives to union affecting all parts of our country… there will always be reason to distrust the patriotism of those who in any quarter may endeavor to weaken its bands.

    .
    Now try and guess the source. Can you?

  • newfreedomblog

    More on Martin Luther King Jr as Glenn Beck has given to us all.
    .
    http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/39452/
    .

    Below is the Pledge of Nonviolence that Martin Luther King, Jr. asked those who believed in his message to abide by as well as his core principles of nonviolence.

    I am going to ask you to make the same commitment to nonviolence and give you the opportunity to make that pledge public by having you ‘sign’ these documents below.

    -glenn

    1. As you prepare to march meditate on the life and teachings of Jesus

    2. Remember the nonviolent movement seeks justice and reconciliation – not victory.

    3. Walk and talk in the manner of love; for God is love.

    4. Pray daily to be used by God that all men and women might be free.

    5. Sacrifice personal wishes that all might be free.

    6. Observe with friend and foes the ordinary rules of courtesy.

    7. Perform regular service for others and the world.

    8. Refrain from violence of fist, tongue and heart.

    9. Strive to be in good spiritual and bodily health.

    10. Follow the directions of the movement leaders and of the captains on demonstrations.

  • freeinpa

    “I have been around the Black community about 40 years, so I have that knowledge as well.”

    ==
    And the results of that knowledge::

    7 in 10 born to single mother

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/08/graph_of_the_day_for_august_13.html
    =
    Roughly half are high schools dropouts
    http://www.all4ed.org/files/GraduationRates_FactSheet.pdf

    ==
    Unemployment rate 15.5%

    http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t02.htm

    ==
    40 years of your life down the drain. Mom must be soo proud

  • http://erieangel.wordpress.com erieangel

    There is absolutely no reason why education–as much education as a person would desire should not be provided by the government. It would only provide for a better educated populace and by extension improve our economic capitalism.
    .
    Oh but I keep forgetting, republicans are all about keeping as many people ignorant as possible; cutting back on human services that help the poor and the disabled; making law enforcement and fire fighting a private industry. In fact, the only government spending the republicans like is the massive defense spending for the more machines to kill more people who did this country absolutely no harm. And republicans have never worried about deficits while spending those massive millions on war machines we usually don’t need.

  • 3xfire3

    northpole,

    “How insensitive and disrespectfull to trash the symbol of Martin Luther King. I’m glad MLK Jr. spoke out. If they cared so much about MLK’s legacy they wouldn’t have spent their lives destroying it and trying to stick it to minorities.

    How would Beck, Palin and the tea partiers like it if we organized a speech on their hero David Duke’s birthday or on the land where the Klan used to operate?”
    .
    If you were not so Hateful, Biased and Misinformed, you would know better than to make these statements.
    .
    Restore Honor will be a ceremony that Dr. King would very much approve of. He would very much disapprove of your Hate and tell you to wait and see this event before you started in on your hateful comments.
    .
    Glenn Beck recently devoted several of his programs to the Black Heroes of American History. I believe he actually won some awards for these shows.
    .
    Dr. Alveda King will be a featured speaker at Restore Honor. Several other prominent American Black Citizens will also speak at this event. Dr. Alveda King would not be a featured speaker for a ceremony that was not respectful of her uncle Dr. Martin Luther King.
    .
    You illustrate the Liberal haters who are perfectly willing to take Becks comments and video clips taken out of context by the LW Medias sources who are trying to demonize anyone who doesn’t share their liberal beliefs.
    .
    You are dishonest. You can only truthfully make these comments if you have taken the time to watch Beck’s TV shows or read his books. Taking what the LW Media has distorted as facts only shows how you and the rest of the liberals on this site are either totally ignorant or totally dishonest.
    .
    Which are you?
    .
    Also for your information, Beck is the first person to request this location on this date for many, many years. How is this hijacking anything.

  • freeinpa

    MoronMOm

    “Nothing Tiger Woods or Mel Gibson did was illegal either. That doesn’t mean it wasn’t wrong”

    So the Constitution of our country is now governed by the “liberal code of morals”!! Is that what you want to use as your defense.

    Is it morally wrong to grant citizenship to illegals ahead of those who play by the rules? Is it immoral to saddle our children with debt to provide overpaid underworked incompetent public union members ridiculous pensions and benefits. Is it immoral to have the top 20% of the workers pay nearly 100% of the federal budget? Is it immoral to run a ponzi scheme like SS and again saddle our children with a poorer life.

    Seriously immoral behavior – they name is liberal philosophy.

  • freeinpa

    BTW 40 yrs ago these numbers were 35-50% better than today after “your work” and “knowledge

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Gold may or may not be a good investment. Goldline is a scam.

    ==
    So is Social Security but I don’t think you have the same issues do you.”
    .
    So, you are saying that people who paid into social security are getting LESS than what they put in?
    .
    Social Security has been very successful as a pay as you go program. It was never and never will be a bank account. When Bush wanted to privatize social security Economists from left, right and center came weighed in to show that Social Security is far, far superior in terms of stability and value to most investment funds and any investment funds predicted to be used in lieu of social security.
    .
    Go go buy that Becker’s gold coins and, while you’re there, do take some wooden nickles, too.

  • northpoleresident

    I wonder what MLK would have thought about Beck calling the first minority president “racist”. I’m sure he would have approved of Palin defending Dr. Laura’s repeated us of the N-word. That really echoes the spirit of Martin Luther King’s speech.
    .
    To support this clown is to spit in the face of everything MLK stood for.

  • apr2563

    Beck is in full Elmer Gantry mode on his show today. It is God speaking to Beck’s followers through him.
    Murdoch said recently that Fox is not promoting the rally. Only 24 hours a day.

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    Admit yall. You hate this rally. You’d give your left arm to stop it but you can’t. You’re definately the minority, or you would hold your own rally. C’mon guys, where’s you’re fighting spirit? You’re golden boy needs you! A few witty dirisive teabagger jokes a day on swampland just ain’t gettin done. We’re here, and we ain’t going away, and there ain’t a damn thing you can do about it!

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    The funniest part (really saddest part) of “survival seeds” is the fact that during the worst economic downturn, the Great Depression, food prices were deflated to record lows.
    .
    At one point, due to storage costs, the price of corn offered to farmers was negative (yes negative) five cents per pound.
    .
    Beck’s advertisers skate on the edge of criminal activity without, so far, falling in.
    .
    In politics, Beck does the same being just on the edge of promoting an uprising and, therefore, the crime of Sedition, but only goes as far as he can before he breaks the law.
    .
    A con artist is Rustyfreep’s true idol.

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    Oh we don’t think you’re all liars. Dimwitted boneheads maybe…

  • maverick2k9

    Palin could make the weather report political.

    And I thought she was a sports caster before she became a full time quitter.
    -
    PS: Does youtube have any of the Palin sports cast videos?

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Restore Honor will be a ceremony that Dr. King would very much approve of.”
    .
    “Martin Luther King Jr. expressed a view that black Americans, as well as other disadvantaged Americans, should be compensated for historical wrongs. In an interview conducted for Playboy in 1965, he said that granting black Americans only equality could not realistically close the economic gap between them and whites. King said that he did not seek a full restitution of wages lost to slavery, which he believed impossible, but proposed a government compensatory program of US$50 billion over ten years to all disadvantaged groups. He posited that “the money spent would be more than amply justified by the benefits that would accrue to the nation through a spectacular decline in school dropouts, family breakups, crime rates, illegitimacy, swollen relief rolls, rioting and other social evils”.[66] He presented this idea as an application of the common law regarding settlement of unpaid labor but clarified that he felt that the money should not be spent exclusively on blacks. He stated, “It should benefit the disadvantaged of all races”.[67]”
    .
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_King,_Jr.#Stance_on_compensation
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    “Starting in 1965, King began to express doubts about the United States’ role in the Vietnam War. In an April 4, 1967 appearance at the New York City Riverside Church—exactly one year before his death—King delivered a speech titled “Beyond Vietnam”.[82] In the speech, he spoke strongly against the U.S.’s role in the war, insisting that the U.S. was in Vietnam “to occupy it as an American colony”[83] and calling the U.S. government “the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today”.[84] He also argued that the country needed larger and broader moral changes:

    A true revolution of values will soon look uneasily on the glaring contrast of poverty and wealth. With righteous indignation, it will look across the seas and see individual capitalists of the West investing huge sums of money in Asia, Africa and South America, only to take the profits out with no concern for the social betterment of the countries, and say: “This is not just.”[85]

    King also was opposed to the Vietnam War on the grounds that the war took money and resources that could have been spent on social welfare services like the War on Poverty. The United States Congress was spending more and more on the military and less and less on anti-poverty programs at the same time. He summed up this aspect by saying, “A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual death”.[85]”
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_King,_Jr.#Opposition_to_the_Vietnam_War
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    “In 1968, King and the SCLC organized the “Poor People’s Campaign” to address issues of economic justice. The campaign culminated in a march on Washington, D.C. demanding economic aid to the poorest communities of the United States. King traveled the country to assemble “a multiracial army of the poor” that would march on Washington to engage in nonviolent civil disobedience at the Capitol until Congress created a bill of rights for poor Americans.[101][102]”
    .
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_King,_Jr.#Poor_People.27s_Campaign.2C_1968
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    What cost $50000000000 in 1968 would cost $304,937,421,178.80 in 2009.
    .
    http://www.westegg.com/inflation/infl.cgi
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    Glen Beck does approve of 304 Billion tax dollars going to black, native American and pre-civil rights Latino and Asian families, so long as they are given through Gold Line coins with Beck’s face on it and survival seeds.
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    If King were alive today, he would be Eighty one years old and would, obviously, be very disguested by Glenn Beck.
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    If you weren’t a Becker Head, you might be able to figure that out for yourself, 3X.

  • maverick2k9

    KP, Maybe if Dubya hadn’t sent American SOF’s into the wrong war, hunting for non-existent WMD’s and non-Al Qaeda HVT’s, THEN.. maybe.. just maybe.. we would have had fewer dead SOF men and therefore no need for the SOWF.
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    It is like deliberately amputating a limb and then applying band-aid on it.

  • ohiolibb

    Hate is a liberal defined term
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    Whoa, I didn’t know you were a liberal, rusty.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “So the Constitution of our country is now governed by the “liberal code of morals”!! Is that what you want to use as your defense.”
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    By the most conservative Supreme Court with appointees by Bush Sr. and Bush Jr. dominating the court?
    .
    You are delusional if you call the interpretation of the constitution is “liberal” unless you want to call the bushes and Reagan liberal.

    “Is it morally wrong to grant citizenship to illegals ahead of those who play by the rules?”
    .
    They are not given an advantage outside of your very warped imagination.
    .
    “Is it immoral to saddle our children with debt..”
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    No, we should get rid of the Bush tax cuts to pay for this. It is the only moral thing to do.
    .
    “.. to provide overpaid underworked incompetent public union members ridiculous pensions and benefits..”
    .
    No, but since unions make sure that our public employees earn enough money to feed, clothe and educated their children, cooperating with such unions is the only moral thing to do.
    .
    “Is it immoral to have the top 20% of the workers pay nearly 100% of the federal budget?”
    .
    Yes. Tax those who have 0% chance of lacking the income to provide food, shelter, clothing and education to their children by paying taxes is the only moral way to charge taxes.
    .
    “Is it immoral to run a ponzi scheme like SS and again saddle our children with a poorer life.”
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    It is 0% similar to a Ponzi scheme. So, yes, it is moral and, no, it will not bankrupt our children here in the real world and outside of your very warped imagination.

    Seriously immoral behavior – they name is Tea Party philosophy.
    .

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Markup on autos 25%
    Furniture 80%
    Books 40%
    Ipods 153%
    Beauty Salon Products 100%”
    .
    All of these are consumer goods where none of them are intended for investment and resale purposes.
    .
    Do you resell the shampoo you get from your hair dresser?
    .
    Second, this is the nature of retail totally unrelated to investments. They pay for salaries, building and property, retail profits and all of the means to get a good – not an investment – to the consumer without any implication that when you buy a car that you’re neighbor will pay you more for it in a year or, for that matter, when you buy a steak that if you leave it on your counter for few days that it will be anything other than really awful smelling garbage – much like what Glenn Beck’s commentary is like.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “In the meantime, my hat’s off to Glen.”
    .
    Be honest. It’s pants off when you think of Sarah Palin hoping that this is the even where, after the wink, she strips for your enjoyment.

  • maverick2k9

    And I have no idea what “Survival Seeds: are? And more importantly nor do I care.

    NewFreeINPA does not know what “Survival seeds” are??
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    Thats a bit hard to believe when one of his alter-ego NewFreeRusty actually sells them on his blog -> http://www.newfreedomblog.com/

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    50 billion huh? Well hell, looks like we’re paid up and then some. I guess Dr. King would be disgusted with his niece also, eh flatulent Pat? Or is she just being duped by the evil Beck?

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “While the Patriots were ultimately victorious in the American Revolution, choosing sides and deciding whether to fight in the war was far from an easy choice for American colonists. The great majority were neutral or Loyalist. For black people, what mattered most was freedom. As the Revolutionary War spread through every region, those in bondage sided with whichever army promised them personal liberty. The British actively recruited slaves belonging to Patriot masters and, consequently, more blacks fought for the Crown. An estimated 100,000 African Americans escaped, died or were killed during the American Revolution. ”
    .
    “Had George Washington been less ambivalent, more blacks might have participated on the Patriot side than with the Loyalists. When he took command of the Continental Army in 1775, Washington barred the further recruitment of black soldiers, despite the fact that they had fought side by side with their white counterparts at the battles of Lexington, Concord and Bunker Hill. ”
    .
    “The Governor of Virginia, whose royal title was Lord Dunmore, on the other hand, sought to disrupt the American cause by promising freedom to any slaves owned by Patriot masters who would join the Loyalist forces. (Runaway slaves belonging to Loyalists were returned to their masters.) Dunmore officially issued his proclamation in November, 1775, and within a month 300 black men had joined his Ethiopian regiment. Probably no more than 800 eventually succeeded in joining Dunmore’s regiment, but his proclamation inspired thousands of runaways to follow behind the British throughout the war. ”
    .
    “By the winter of 1777-78, the Continental Army had dwindled to 18,000 from disease and desertion. This, together with the active recruitment of enslaved blacks by the British, finally convinced Washington to approve plans for Rhode Island to raise a regiment of free blacks and slaves.

    Colonel Tye was perhaps the best-known of the Loyalist black soldiers. An escaped bondman born in Monmouth County, New Jersey, he wreaked havoc for several years with his guerrilla Black Brigade in New York and New Jersey. At one time he commanded 800 men. For most of 1779 and 1780, Tye and his men terrorized his home county — stealing cattle, freeing slaves, and capturing Patriots at will. On September 1, 1780, during the capture of a Patriot captain, Tye was shot through the wrist, and he later died from a fatal infection.”
    .
    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part2/2narr4.html
    .
    If you want to talk about a re-writing of history, it is the right, not the left, who have done so.
    .
    In the Revolutionary War the English were far better at recruiting blacks since the slave states (which were most including New York and New Jersey – but not Connecticut or Massachusetts – I guess this is where Massachusetts gained it’s exaggerated reputation for being liberal) wanted to maintain slavery.
    .
    The American Revolution was not at all an anti-slavery war, but, instead, it was, in many states, a war to maintain slavery.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    A con artist giving money to a worthy cause is not new.
    .
    Con artist, Charles Keating, Jr. donated money to Mother Teresa to try and make himself look good.
    .
    “However, it is difficult, if not impossible, to assert this in the case of Mr Charles Keating. Keating is now serving a ten-year sentence for his part in the Savings and Loan scandal — undoubtedly one of the greatest frauds in American history. In the early 1980s, during the booming, deregulated years of Reagan’s first term, Keating, among other operators, mounted a sustained and criminal assault on the deposits of America’s small investors….At the height of his success as a thief, Keating made donations (not out of his own pocket, of course) to Mother Teresa in the sum of one and a quarter million dollars. He also granted her the use of his private jet. In return, Mother Teresa allowed Keating to make use of her prestige on several important occasions and gave him a personalized crucifix which he took everywhere with him.”
    .
    Keating, also gave generously to the campaigns of five US Senators including John McCain.
    .
    “The five senators, Alan Cranston (Democrat of California), Dennis DeConcini (Democrat of Arizona), John Glenn (Democrat of Ohio), John McCain (Republican of Arizona), and Donald W. Riegle, Jr. (Democrat of Michigan), were accused of improperly intervening in 1987 on behalf of Charles H. Keating, Jr., chairman of the Lincoln Savings and Loan Association, which was the target of a regulatory investigation by the Federal Home Loan Bank Board (FHLBB). The FHLBB subsequently backed off taking action against Lincoln.”
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    I think the Becker is trying to hide behind a worthy cause.

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    Hey gumshoe. How about some examples of Beck’s non-facts? And see if you can back them up with some facts. And if you have any trouble, maybe you can consult with iq-53, the “factsmaster”.

  • shepherdwong

    “He are she is not even capable of a rational debate with a conservative.”
    .
    To be fair, no one is. It take at least two rational people to have a rational debate so it’s no going to happen “with a conservative.”

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    3X,
    .
    Besides explaining why you think King, vehemently opposed to preventable war, in favor of unions, in favor of black reparations would approve of Glen Beck who is a cheerleader for preventable war, very anti-union and never said anything that vaguely resembles reimbursement for slavery, you, also, left our discussion about your concept of being qualified for POTUS incomplete earlier.
    .
    http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/08/24/boehners-economic-speech/comment-page-2/#comments
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    Two thirds brain,
    .
    “50 billion huh? Well hell, looks like we’re paid up and then some.”
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    When did the US government give $1 additional money to individuals descended from slaves?
    .
    Then, in addition to “towel head” references, you wonder why you are being called racist.
    .
    (In the heat of combat or for soldiers suffering from PTSD or traumatic brain injury , I can understand “Crouts Gooks… ” any of those, but, sitting in your living room wishing that somebody under the age of 45 likes your covers of Pat Benitar enough to give you some money to play it, I see pure racism when you use the term “towel heads”. )
    .
    Go join your KKK buddies. Maybe they like Pat Benitar at their next Klan convention.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Two thirds brain,
    .
    I found a list.
    .
    http://www.scribd.com/doc/34319923/glenn-beck-lies
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    I know that long sentences and facts hurt your brain, so, I hope you take a week or two to digest this.
    .
    My favorite: If you go on the Cash for Clunkers website the government will take over your computer.
    .
    Here is Glenn Beck’s new theme song:
    .

  • maverick2k9

    Two thirds brain,
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    Patrick, I think you have made a factual error there.
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    It is “Two thirds Rock for a Brain”

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Patrick, I think you have made a factual error there.”
    .
    True. reasoning at two thirds rocks for brains is very hard to find. Most pre-schoolers are far more sophisticated.

  • newfreedomblog

    4 out of 5 Democrats were convicted in the Keating S&L scandal, what is your point? More than 4/5ths of all Democrats are nothing but CROOKS?

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    Lots of words there fatprick, thankfully I’m about as fast as they come in the reading dept. I think the liberal crapola you dug up got the heading of the columns backward. MY favorite was the lie about the 9/12 crowd size, since I was there and saw it with my own eyes. Gotta hand it to ya though, spending every waking hour of your life (no doubt you sleep there to) in front of your computer has made you a definate wellspring of useless misimformation. Don’t you think that could have at least a little something to do with your obesity? You really need to get out and take a stroll once in a while. Not only would it help reduce some of your flab, but it could also give you a glimpse of the real world. Instead of researching “blades of grass” or “the color of the sky” on the web, you might actually see it in real life. But avoid the donut shops and pizza joints at all cost. Look up “fat farms” on your computer, maybe there’s one right around the corner from you.

  • 3xfire3

    Kevie,
    .
    I don’t want to cause you to get your diapers wet but notice all your video clips, that are supposed to show Beck is bad, are very short video clips. If you had any intelligence you might realize that this implies small pieces taken out of longer conversations.
    Any intelligent non-ideologue would know that this would indicate comments being intentionally taken out of context.
    .
    Now that you know the truth about your post I hope your diaper is still dry.
    .
    Try to show a little intellectual honesty with your posts. We wouldn’t want to see your nose continue to grow longer than it already is.

  • nflfoghorn

    Your drift has been caught, Fitty ;)

  • nflfoghorn

    Dusty Rhodes? Didn’t know you were a rasslin’ fan, Apr! The dude has more swagger in his bionic elbow than Bleck has in his entire body! ;)

  • 3xfire3

    sassiestsf,
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    Thanks for the Honest Post.
    .
    It’s too bad that so many people posting on this site are so caught up in their political ideology that when someone does something to help people in need, they still must demonize them.
    .
    I think it only shows what little people they really are and how little they really care about their fellow citizens.

  • nflfoghorn

    Man, those “Outer Limits” and “Real McCoys” work just as well! :)

  • 3xfire3

    edismeiamhe,
    .
    Thanks for the sane post.
    .
    As you have noticed by now our Liberal friend can’t pass the sanity test as illustrated by their irrational posts.

  • kbanginmotown

    WTF happened on this thread, people?!?

  • 3xfire3

    skinair02,
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    Great Post.
    .
    You will have to forgive IQ53. He is the Number One Race Baiter on swampland.
    .
    He also claims to be white but has appointed himself as Spokesperson for the Black Community.
    .
    He is a Racist who is caught up in “White Guilt”.
    .
    I personally no longer reply to his insane comments.

  • 3xfire3

    vstill,
    .
    If you can’t stand the heat stay out of the kitchen.
    .
    You seem like such an unbright person. It’s not misspelled it’s my word for a dimwit.

  • 3xfire3

    2/3

    “Lots of words there fatprick, thankfully I’m about as fast as they come in the reading dept. I think the liberal crapola you dug up got the heading of the columns backward. MY favorite was the lie about the 9/12 crowd size, since I was there and saw it with my own eyes. Gotta hand it to ya though, spending every waking hour of your life (no doubt you sleep there to) in front of your computer has made you a definate wellspring of useless misimformation.”
    .
    I could not have said it better myself.
    .
    See Patrick, I’m not the only one who says you need to get a life. I do feel a little sorry for you Patrick. Did you read the article in Politico today? Dem leaders are starting to panic. What will you do after your team goes down with the ship in November? The Captain is letting the crew go down with the ship but he plans on staying on the raft for two more years.

  • michaelfury

    These “special” kids won’t be needing college scholarships, will they?

    http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2009/12/09/special-friends/

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    We can find more than our share of Republicans doing the perp walk, but, I am sure that you would just ignore it as you do all facts.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “See Patrick, I’m not the only one who says you need to get a life.”
    .
    First, if you are truly concerned about my health, I just bought a pair of jeans with a 40 inch waist and it is very loose. I haven’t been on a scale since October but I believe I must be loosing weight since a 42 inch waist was tight on me six months ago.
    .
    Second, I was just working with somebody on a deal where, if it works out, the commission will be $50,000 which isn’t too bad for a few days work if I do say so myself. So, you do not have to worry about my income, either, but, thanks for your concern.
    .
    Third, the last two weeks I have been online less than usual.
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    Fourth, I have to wonder how benevolent your concern is since I post far, far less often than Rusty or Freeinpa. They both take on the overwhelming majority of the Swamp so they are writing constantly.
    .
    So, I am left to wonder, is this heartfelt concern or do you find it frustrating when you discover that your views are economically, logistically, constitutionally and realistically preposterous.
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    3X,
    .
    You haven’t responded to me from the other day. You said that executive experience is equal to presidential, gubernatorial or mayoral experience while I said elected office experience is what is important. I explained things very clearly and you have not responded.
    .
    You, also, have not responded to the fact that in government and work experience of all kinds are concerned, Obama is far more qualified than your darling Sarah Palin.
    .
    While we’re here, you could explain to me why this worthy cause exonerates Glenn Beck but giving money to Mother Teresa does not exonerate Charles Keating – or does it?
    .
    Just because you get all tuckered out when dealing with facts means that you should read and learn more and write less.
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    Two Thirds rocks for brains,
    .
    Well, I am glad that you can read well.
    .
    Your comprehension seems to be lacking.
    .
    One other Glenn Beck lie was that he had reason to believe that 45% of all doctors would quit when HCR passed. Have you noticed that this is not true and there have been, for all practical purposes no doctors who quit due to HCR or are you that delusional?
    .
    As for me, I am in and out very regularly. I only keep cold water in my apartment and drink coffee and eat in places in my neighborhood. So, if spent day and night in my apartment, I would starve, not gain weight.
    .
    As for you, have you noticed that nobody under the age 45 or over the age of 55 listen to 80′s music because, even though I was a teenager in the 1980s, I knew back then that 80s music sucked.
    .
    Go do your Duran Duran covers and stick to things you can understand. Politics is, obviously, too confusing for you.

  • michaelfury

    “Our country is now vulnerable. Those people who would like to destroy us – our enemies like Al Qaeda.
    They’d like to destroy us, and they will work with anyone. There are also people like white supremacists or 9/11 truthers that would also like to destroy the country. They’ll work with anybody they can.”

    - Glenn Beck, 6/11/09

    http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2009/07/09/make-it-happen-on-purpose/

  • michaelfury

    “You know, it took me about a year to start hating the 9/11 victims’ families. It took me about a year. Um, and I had such compassion for them and I really, you know, I wanted to help them, and I was behind — let’s give them money, let’s get them started, and all of this stuff. And I really didn’t — all the 3,000 victims’ families, I don’t hate all of them, I hate about, probably about ten of them. But when I see 9/11 victim family, you know, on television, or whatever, I’m just like, ‘Oh, shut up.’ I’m so sick of them. Because they’re always complaining. And we did our best for them. And again, it’s only about ten.”

    - Glenn Beck, 2005

    http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2009/02/16/the-stones-will-cry-out/

  • freeinpa

    “Nothing Tiger Woods or Mel Gibson did was illegal either. That doesn’t mean it wasn’t wrong”

    “So the Constitution of our country is now governed by the “liberal code of morals”!! Is that what you want to use as your defense.”
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    I was pointing out to MoronMOm who was whining about Goldline or more specifically Beck. If there was a problem there would be criminal charges and she responded with the moral outrage argument.

    If you insist on forcing youir ignorance on everybody at least try to follow the conversation or just shut up. Your stupidity is tiresome at this point and worse you seem to believe its nothing short of genius. You have been and remain a loser.
    =

    Idiot argument #1

    17.5

    “So the Constitution of our country is now governed by the “liberal code of morals”!! Is that what you want to use as your defense.”
    .
    By the most conservative Supreme Court with appointees by Bush Sr. and Bush Jr. dominating the court?
    .
    You are delusional if you call the interpretation of the constitution is “liberal” unless you want to call the bushes and Reagan liberal.

    “Is it morally wrong to grant citizenship to illegals ahead of those who play by the rules?”
    .
    They are not given an advantage outside of your very warped imagination.
    .
    “Is it immoral to saddle our children with debt..”
    .
    No, we should get rid of the Bush tax cuts to pay for this. It is the only moral thing to do.
    .
    “.. to provide overpaid underworked incompetent public union members ridiculous pensions and benefits..”
    .
    No, but since unions make sure that our public employees earn enough money to feed, clothe and educated their children, cooperating with such unions is the only moral thing to do.

    That’s why their salary and benefits far outstrip private employees because they are barely making a living. The shock is coming as the public will force legislation to change the gravy train at taxpayer expense.

    =
    Idiot Argument #2

    0% chance of lacking the income to provide food, shelter, clothing and education to their children by paying taxes is the only moral way to charge taxes.

    Yes just because a person earns 100,000 one year it is guaranteed for life. That the implicit assumption in th etax code. You make we want it. Usually to support failures like you.

    =


    It is 0% similar to a Ponzi scheme

    So the village idiot has spoken so it must be.

  • freeinpa

    dunderhead why is it meaningless?

    Gas sells on one corner for 2.66/gal and 2.75/gal and yet people patronize both. Its called freedom of choice. Something liberals give lip service.

    The point being is that they can charge whatever the markets will bear. Its called capitalism. Something else liberals give lip service.

  • freeinpa

    Religion isn’t high on liberals list either so the point stands.

  • freeinpa

    Rev Jim once again you go on and on without saying anything. Maybe you found your true talent–a professional gasbag. NIce to see mommy bought you a set of Funk & Wagnalls

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Yes just because a person earns 100,000 one year it is guaranteed for life.”
    .
    For the most part, when one is hired for a job which pays $100,000 per year, except for recessions (the last three of which started after the slash and burn conservatives shut down our government’s ability to protect people against things like ponzi schemes, predatory lending and other abuses) will continue to use their credentials to find another $100,000 per year.
    .
    If you used to make over $100,000 per year but are living on social security because you never put aside money for retirement, all a tax break would have done for you is helped you go into more of your youthful spending sprees.
    .
    I did turn down becoming a stock broker for this job, but, I do know that there are many good financial advisers who can help people like you not blow all of your money before retirement.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Its called freedom of choice.”
    .
    Well if gas station A has a pleasant immigrant or pleasant American pumping gas at $2.75 per gallon and the other has you pumping gas at $1.00 per gallon, I am sure that people would be happy to pay the $1.75 more to stay away from you.
    .
    Also, once again, are you planning on re-selling the gasoline in your tank?
    .
    Are you planning to decorate your house or melt down the coins to heat your home or fuel your car?
    .
    One is when they provide false market information and the other is when one provides a better environment. For example, movie theaters charge absurd prices for food and soda. Why? Because it is at a great location to be: watching a good movie.
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    Would you like me to sell you investment property here in NYC worth $5 Million for $9.5 million or more?
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    No reasonable person would do that unless they are being provided false information about the market.
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    Reasonable people will pay more to have the gas pumped for them, to be at a gas station where they can buy food, soda and cigarettes or get a car wash at the same time or to avoid a-holes like you.
    .
    Get the difference?

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Religion isn’t high on liberals list either so the point stands.”
    .
    Please explain that to Jimmy Carter, Jessie Jackson (one of your favorites even though he has not been significant in 20 years) and the late MLK this. They thought and/or think that being liberal is an extension of being religious.
    .
    Libertarians are almost always both Republicans and agnostic/atheist.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Rev Jim once again you go on and on without saying anything.”
    .
    Freeinpa just had an LSD flashback from his college years since he just imagined somebody similar to a character on the TV show taxi posting @ 23.
    .
    On 23 I said ” ” and he either is imagining the TV show taxi or he is hallucinating a statement on 23 I never made.
    .
    Here in the Northeast a huge majority of the 1960s hippies became Reagan Republicans.
    .
    I didn’t know you were one of them.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    3X,
    .
    Speaking of kitchen analogies, somebody should put a fork in you, 3X, at age 71 your brain is gone.
    .
    Alzheimer’s is a terrible disease.
    .
    Please get treatment.

  • 53_3

    Well, Rusty and frreinpa:
    .
    You’re quite good at parroting dribbles and drabbles of history, maybe you’ve remembered by rote all historically significant Black Americans. Maybe there are ringers in there, too.
    .
    The fact that some of these people did what they did (with Patrick’s able corrections!) in no way proves that you are any less ignorant, or even, any more knowledgeable.
    .
    The Black community I know is in the here and now, not ensconced in interpretations you apply to these peoples’ efforts in the past. I think, had they witnessed the same 40 year span of American history as I have, they would probably be much less a target of your “affections”. And I do mean that in a Malcolm X sort of way.
    .
    That said, here is probably the best book avalable on the community I know:
    http://174.36.183.44/~quintard/forging-black-community-history-seattles-central-district-1870-through-civil-rights-era
    .
    This book, if you are not afraid to read it, tells pretty much the same story as I’ve related to you.
    .
    And the idea that the Revolutionary War was fought over slavery is ludicrous. Not only are your interpretations laughable, but they are not in the slightest any way connected to reality.
    .
    freeinpa:
    .
    As for your idiocy, I’d like to know when I became responsible for the problems the Black community faces.
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    Also, I’m still waiting for you to bless us all with those principles that lead you to turn your nose up at all those millions of Black conservative voters…

  • 53_3

    Oh, freeinpa and Rusty:
    .
    Before taking up the cudgels of Black activism, maybe you should actually learn something about the Black community…

  • 53_3

    Doesn’t it suck, 2/3rds, when you are not able to compete with me on facts?
    .
    I mean, you are really giving me the warm fuzzies…

  • sasquatch08

    I love the way this is the longest thread in the last 48 hours and it just turned into a who can insult who more and who can rip on the other side more.
    .
    Mention Beck and everyone here comes running like rats to cheese (I did too) but not really for a discussion, rather to see who has the more clever internet insults.
    .
    And everyone wonders why this country is going down the drain, while talking about Beck rather than S&P’s announcement.

  • newfreedomblog

    It is kinda scary how just one comment from me can elicit a response from our writers at TIME.com, isn’t it allthings?

  • freeinpa

    “Thats a bit hard to believe when one of his alter-ego NewFreeRusty actually sells them on his blog -> ”

    Wow another liberal truth that is actually false.

    The preconceived beliefs of liberals about conservatives that are false could fill hundred’s of these blogs. But hey, why let truth get in the way of your mental disorder

  • freeinpa

    Please explain that to Jimmy Carter, Jessie Jackson

    Seriously you want to hang your hat on the Rev (Mail order) Jackson? Isn’t his favortite charity the Rev Jackson?

  • 3xfire3

    Patrick,
    .
    “You haven’t responded to me from the other day. You said that executive experience is equal to presidential, gubernatorial or mayoral experience while I said elected office experience is what is important. I explained things very clearly and you have not responded.”
    .
    Patrick I thought I had already beaten you into submission on your post but apparently you need a little more Education.
    .
    I said Obama had the least amount of management experience of any President/CEO to have ever held the office. You said not true and you mentioned Eisenhower, Kennedy and a few others that in your opinion had less experience.
    .
    Patrick let’s compare our Personal Experiences and Educations to see who has more Expertise to make this judgment.
    .
    The following is a partial list of my Experiences and Education:
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    1.. Bachelors Degree in Business Administration.
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    2.. Master’s Degree in Business Administration.
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    3.. 45 years experience of working as a Businessman.
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    4.. 31 years experience as President/CEO of a …Company with sales of $35,000,000 a year. …Employing 65 people, 22 of which were Engineers.
    .
    5..This is a company that I started with a mortgage on …my house, my personal savings and a loan from the …Bank.
    .
    6..I was selected as the “Entrepreneur of the Year” in …1997 for Toledo/NW Ohio area.
    …The Entrepreneur of the Year Program is sponsored …by NASDAQ, Ernst & Young, The Kauffman …Foundation and USA/Today.
    .
    7..4 years as a member of the Board of Trustees of a …College.
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    8..12 years as a member of the Board of Directors of ….a large Regional Bank.
    .
    9..3 years as a member of the Board of Trustees of a
    …Regional Hospital.
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    10…Recently traveled to China as a member of a …..Delegation from a large American University to …..visit Chinese Universities and Colleges.
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    11..Served as an Officer in approx 15 different Civil .…and Religious Organizations.
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    12..Served 8 years as an Officer in our Business ….Industries National Association.
    .
    Now Patrick it’s your turn to list your Education and Experiences.
    .
    Please Man Up and don’t do your normal “You don’t believe I’m telling the truth about my experiences. Give you my personal data so you can verify the information.”
    .
    That is the argument of an Immature Loser. Hopefully you don’t take that route and prove that you are a real loser.
    .

  • freeinpa

    No Rev Jim (you are a failed taxi driver, among your other failed careers) I was not hallucinating. Your tiresome irrelevant tirades just make my eyes gloss over because without fail you go on for paragraphs without saying anything in your pathetic attempt to appear well versed and intelligent. Another failure!

  • freeinpa

    “I’d like to know when I became responsible for the problems the Black community faces.”

    Well after that terrific 40 years and all that brilliance (and entitlement dollars) one would expect some improvement. Or maybe your brilliant work is really at the heart of the growing problem..

    DIng ding ding we have a winner!

  • freeinpa

    “I mean, you are really giving me the warm fuzzies”

    Naw that’s just you wetting your pants again!

  • freeinpa

    “Now Patrick it’s your turn to list your Education and Experiences.”

    He is too modest to repsond
    =
    He is a dropout from Harvard Night School (and Storm Door Company).

    He is a failed cab Driver (Rev JIm)
    He is a failed used car saleman
    He is a reject from public service

    And finally just an all around burden on society

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    I can tell you that I, like many liberals, was raised with a religion and that religion is far more than anything else what was the source of my being progressive.
    .
    I gave up the religion, but kept the liberal POV from being raised Catholic, as have many of relatives in my generation.
    .
    Jimmy Carter is about as religious as any non-clergy member can be.
    .
    He makes GWB (who’s popularity sank far below Carter’s) look like an agnostic by comparison.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Well after that terrific 40 years and all that brilliance (and entitlement dollars) one would expect some improvement.”
    .
    2010-40= 1970.
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    Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush Sr, Clinton, W and Obama… which of these presidents gave reparations to the black community?
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    Which of these presidents raised entitlements?
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    None.
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    Which one of these slashed entitlements?
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    Clinton.
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    Which entitlements go exclusively to blacks?
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    None.
    .
    So what do you call Freeinpa’s remarks at 25.10?
    .
    Random BS.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Patrick let’s compare our Personal Experiences and Educations to see who has more Expertise to make this judgment.”
    .
    Wait, you are saying that only CEOs can make judgments about who is a better CEO-like politician?
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    So, if the judgment of the CEO class is so far superior to everybody else’s very logical description of a situation, then I guess you would have to conclude that letting anybody who has never been a CEO vote.
    .
    I believe that collectively through voting we make the best possible decisions so long as we include everybody from the CEOs down to the homeless a chance to vote so that personal bias one way or another does not skew the argument.
    .
    What you know about me: I let anybody see my profile at Level Group.
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    What is know about you: Your favorite number is 3.
    .
    Right now you have a choice: put up and tell us your actual identity or shut up and stop telling us all of these stories.
    .
    BTW: your CEO experience does not mean that your opinion is superior to mine.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “He is too modest to repsond.”
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    No, I just made a 300 mile drive to attend a wedding and wasn’t able to write while driving at 75 MPH.
    .
    WTF is “Storm Door Company?”
    .
    I am not a failed anything. I am pleased to be a commercial real estate agent in the greatest city in the world.

  • 3xfire3

    Patrick’s Statement,
    .
    “He said elected office experience is more important than management experience for a President.”
    .
    “He said Wait; you are saying that only CEOs can make judgments about who is a better CEO-like politician?”
    .
    3x’s Statement
    .
    “I never said that.”
    .
    “I said Obama had the least amount of management experience of any President/CEO to have ever held the office of President.’
    .
    I Said. “Patrick let’s compare our Personal Experiences and Educations to see who has more Expertise to make this judgment.”
    .
    Read Post 34 above.
    .
    I listed my Experience and Education to illustrate my level of Expertise to understand what Management Skills are required to be an effective Chief Executive Officer.
    .
    Patrick has elected not to list his Experience and Education. Apparently this would be Embarrassing for him in that he has very little of both.
    .
    My point is that the skills required to be a good Politician are different than those required to be a good CEO. Some individuals have developed skills in both area through Personal Experience and Education.
    .
    My Experiences and Education as listed above shows that I have an understanding of what is required to be an effective CEO. I have been an effective CEO and I have supervised a number of CEOs through my role as a member of the Board of Directors and Board of Trustees of several companies and organizations.
    .
    That Patrick actually thinks at his young age, and with his lack of management experience, that he know better then me what it takes to be an effective CEO shows how much he lacks the knowledge to make judgments about CEO requirements.
    .
    I feel a little like Babe Ruth competing with a young man from a little league team who thinks he has more skills and knowledge then the Babe.
    .
    Now Patrick will come back with some nonsense and try and refute my above statements which only shows how immature and ignorant he is about this particular subject.
    .
    Some of you may think I’m being way too hard on Patrick, but after about a half dozen posts and replies on this subject and with Patrick being too immature to know when he is wrong and when to quite, I feel he need to hear the truth about his actions.

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