This Is What Running Against The “Ground Zero Mosque” Looks Like

Same question as always-is that actually going to run on television or are they just playing the media for free airings?
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Also, it’s odd that he swallows air between sentences. Makes him look scared.

The most optimistic estimate I’ve seen for the total number of Al Qaeda members, an organization originally created by America, is 2,000. Most estimates put it around 250. According to Rick Scott that makes all 1 billion plus Muslims in the world, including those serving in the US military, terrorists. The idiot obviously never spent any time studying logic.

Sad.

I don’t know why people believe that the media simply feeds the public what it wants. How does the media know what the public wants in the first place? How does the public know what it wants? The public can only want what is available to it, which is determined by you, the media, the reporter, the blogger.

If we are still talking about this completely irrelevant issue 2.5 months from now, it will be your fault. Not the public’s, yours.

December 7th 1941 the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor killing or wounding almost 4,000 American soldiers, bringing us into World War II. Soon after Japanese citizens were rounded up and placed into concentration camps amid national security concerns. Americans stood in solidarity against the Japanese Imperialist menace …

‎… when the war was over we released the Japanese- Americans we held in concentration camps, moved on and healed, and now Japan is one of our most important trading partners, we have many Japanese families and business here, and I even have a beloved Japanese-American in my family… we learned to let go of the hate and fear we had during the war, and we love our fellow Japanese-Americans… there is even a Japanese restaurant withing walking distance of Pearl Harbor where, presumably, no future Kamikaze attacks are being planned…

‎…we need to be that post WWII country now in this post- 9/11 world. We need to move on and start healing. We have all suffered at the hands of Al-Qaeda, but we cannot let them tear apart America even further and allow hate and fear build against Muslim-Americans. People of Islam were killed on 9/11 too, and Al-Qaeda has killed, tortured and maimed many thousands of Muslims globally. *Terrorists* attacked us, not Islam. There are 2 existing mosques in lower Manhattan withing walking distance of Ground Zero that have been there since before the *first* WTC bombing and one of them is moving around the corner. It’s going to be alright… this cracker running for governor in Florida should mind his own business and stop using the memory of New Yorker’s fallen loved ones for his own political opportunism … Eddie Sullivan, Long Island, New York.

Sadly this is going to get uglier and uglier right up until election day then the whole issue will promptly be forgotten and the community center will probably be built and that will be the end of it. I hate what this country has become since the 2008 election. McCain / Palin encouraged the fringe crazies in hopes of painting Obama as scary and foreign to win the election. Two years later the Republicans have doubled down on that strategy and made fringe, crazy, xenophobia an acceptable mainstream conservative platform. This is issue isn’t a national issue and the national firestorm that’s arisen isn’t about anything OTHER THAN tolerance. We weren’t attacked by Muslims, we were attacked by Al Qaeda. Refusing to make that distinction is nothing more than bigotry brought to you by the same people that claim to be defending the freedoms we hold so dear. Racist hypocrites…

I can not fathom why so few republicans, understanding foreign policy, aren’t recognizing that this bigoted point of view puts our national security at risk, besides betraying the values that founded this country.

They don’t need to study logic, they know exactly what they’re doing. It’s the same fear mongering and demagoguery that we suffered through under Bush, Rove, and Cheney.

Instead of “Obama’s Mosque”, which it isn’t, because the Prez has nothing to do with it, why don’t we have “Rick Scott’s Medicare Fraud” as the title, because Rick had everything to do with it…..

I’m shocked they want to build a mosque so close to Florida!!

“…this is a pretty good illustration of how completely nationalized the issue has become since Obama weighed in.”
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And here I was under the impression that FOX was a national “news” network – Obama didn’t weigh-in until this past Friday. So now our “journalists” have gone from ignoring history to actively rewriting it. Nice work.
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http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/08/04/peter-ferrara-muslim-mosque-manhattan-constitution-saudi-arabia-synagogues/

Yeah, up until then the story was “why won’t Obama weigh in on this issue of vital national importance?”

Like inception I hope I’m just layered in silly dreams, but no matter how much I slap myself awake batsh!t crazy have somehow become mainstream. Meanwhile the world is watching and laughing their @sses off while we pretend to be the guiding light, beating our chests on just how great we are, telling people in other countries how screwed up they are.

I can hear the primer for every single foreigner clicking on this video: WTF did he just say????

The Nation is angry. You want to see the anger here:

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-battle-for-america-2010-signs-of-a-gathering-superstorm-in-november/

They are mad as hell, you bet.

It seems like many Republicans (and certainly Scott) see the president’s position as a boon, and this is a pretty good illustration of how completely nationalized the issue has become since Obama weighed in.
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Some have made the argument that Time writer Adam Sorensen should be made to ride the rail, tarred and feathered, then hung by his thumbs and pelted with rocks until dead. Sorensen defenders have contended that this might be counterproductive, and could even violate the Eight and Fourteenth Amendments. But in an election year, with anti-elite sentiment running high, many political observers believe that anti-Sorensen sentiments could be a boon at the ballot box.

Looks like Harry Reid has now joined Scott in his idiocy. I’m so happy I no longer feel any need to vote for the Democrats.

Que the attack from centrist morons.

No, I think they are just stupid, America hating imbeciles.

No problem. The guy is known for lying about the Canadian health care system. It will be a problem if he gets elected.

OT, but here is a case where those birther crackpots got a slap from both Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito:
http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/08/16/scotus.birther.lawsuit.fine/index.html
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Apparently, now, the lawyer for that birther doctor is going to get hit with a big fine.
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Just goes to show that even hard core conservatives aren’t buying it…
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PS
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Thanks apr for checking me. Taking time away and getting some relaxation going. No sense in giving myself a heart attack.

Very important point.
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TIME is writing dog and pony stories about – haha! – Rick Scott’s funny lil’ ad.
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Meanwhile…
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Rick Scott faces new Medicare fraud accusations
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http://wdbo.com/localnews/2010/08/rick-scott-faces-new-medicare.html

One can only hope that Rick Scott loses the primary. What does the mosque have anything to do with being governor of Florida? Why can’t he stick to real issues? And where are our conservative friends? Wouldn’t they like to weigh in on this issue?

Let me just say this. Obama did the right thing initially by stating Moslems can build a mosque on privately owned land governed by the zoning laws of New York City and the state of New York. While the president states he was not backtracking with his comments regarding the wisdom of building the mosque at the present site, it certainly appeared that way to the media.

And people, please take note, they are not building the mosque ON the site of Ground Zero, they are building the mosque NEAR. Some people think it is too close. Well, how close is too close? Two blocks, six blocks, one mile? Opponents make the comparison to the Pope closing down a Carmelite nunnary in Auschwitz. The difference was the nunnary was on the gounds of Auschwitz, which is a BIG difference.

It is too bad, people have to rely on such ignorance. Have we learned nothing from the experience of Japanese Americans during WWII? (Did we place German Americans in internment camps on the east coast). It is even more sad that Republicans cynically use the episode to score political points no matter how much it damages this country.

Adam Sorensen:

In your post, Florida gubernatorial candidate Rick Scott makes a claim in the advertisement you posted:

“The truth: the leader of the ground zero mosque refuses to admit that Muslim extremists use terror tactics.”

Part of the task of news users is to sort through competing claims made by politicians, officials and interested parties.
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Generally speaking, we news users find it useful for reporters to report the truth or falsity of claims in addition to (literally) broadcasting those claims verbatim.
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Can you please evaluate Scott’s claim, and report on its truth or falsity?
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Is it the case that this “leader” has made inflammatory, denialist statements with respect to the role of jihadis in international terror?
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What has this person said that would indicate such a thing, or imply that the 9/11 hijackers weren’t terrorists?
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Mind you, I’m not asking if there is any molecule of validity at all to such a claim, or that if the truth might be successfully characterized to allow for the statement to be made without significant credibility loss in the current political-media environment, I’m asking you if it’s pretty much true or pretty much false. Should ordinary people say to themselves “yes, he’s for damn sure right” or “give me a break, that’s not really what happened at all?”
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Thanks so much in advance for fulfilling the press corps’ role in helping engaged news users understand the claims of politicians, as befits citizens of a democratic nation, Adam Sorensen.

In case one of my liberal buddies or pals missed this on a previous thread. Enjoy!!
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If anyone doubts the intent of this Imam to build the Cordoba House, you only need to do a little google search on “CORDOBA, Spain, Muslim”. You will find that the rise of Islam under the Jihad at that time was to conquer as much of the land and people as possible. They were stopped in what is now Spain today, and did not go any further despite an attempt to scale the mountains separating the rest of Europe from Spain and further south to the arab occupied lands in Africa.
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Cordoba represents the initial invasion of arabs into what has been considered to be mostly first Roman lands after the fall of Rome, and what was subsequently Christian holdings. It fits well into the Qu’ran’s requirement for Muslims to not only go out and conquer the infidels, but to also convert them to Islam. Of course we all know the outcome for those who did not convert, they died.
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If you need more proof, simply go to this website which describes the neo-Muslim age of Conquest. They are using our western Democracies in order to not only settle Muslims into our countries, but in hopes of a conquest of the west and the institution of Islam into western countries and society. Rather than a Muslim army attacking a country as they did in the early 300-1400 AD, they are now doing it in shear numbers of people who inhabit the places of strong Muslim control from the Middle East to Afghanistan and Pakistan.
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http://www.pointdebasculecanada.ca/article/1339-the-conquest-of-the-west-by-ideological-jihad-2of3.php
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Do yourself a favor if you believe that the Cordoba House is not a non-violent attempt at the takeover of western countries. Click on the above link and read it for yourself.

So when George W. Bush selected the imam from this project to be his administration’s voice of outreach in the Middle East … that was because Bush was secretly part of this elaborate plan to overthrow America?

Is it the case that this “leader” has made inflammatory, denialist statements with respect to the role of jihadis in international terror?
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What has this person said that would indicate such a thing, or imply that the 9/11 hijackers weren’t terrorists?

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Rauf’s own pointed refusal to label Hamas a terrorist organization when pointedly asked, and his statement, in the immediate aftermath of 9/11, that “United States policies were an accessory to the crime that happened.”
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Of course his second statement is not that far off from what the 9/11 Truthers have also said in their declarations about 9/11.
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Is Van Jones still on that list by the way?
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Here is a link stuart you may find very interesting indeed. It even comes with the audio of the interview conducted by Aaron Klein.
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http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=168797

….are you mad as hell that this crook might become guv of Florida? Yeah, didnt think so you freakin’ cretin….

You not finishing your thoughts, Rusty. Where do these conclusions lead you? What actions do you think we should take.
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No mosque in NY. We got that, but you seem to be suggesting we need to do more.
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No mosques in the U.S.?
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Well, that won’t be enough, will it, Rusty. After all, their goal is to ‘settle’ here first. We have to prevent that, right?
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No Muslims in the U.S.?
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Or do you consider that a step too far, Rusty? If you do, then maybe you don’t really believe that Muslim immigration is the first step in the establishment of the caliphate. Because if you did believe that, then there’s only one place left for you to go, Rusty.
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No Muslims.
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So how far do you think we should go, Rusty? Or are you willing to admit that you paranoiac rhetoric and your inability to distinguish friend from foe is leading you to a very dark conclusion?

New,

Okay, so you can copy and paste information about how Islam spread all the way to Spain back before the medieval times, but what the frack has that to do with anyones constitutional rights to build a mosque in NY?
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You must be one really scared induvidual? Where’s your fear of the already numerical mosques around the country?
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It’s been said before, but you guys don’t really like the constitution do you? I mean you always use it as a blunt instrument to tell all of us that you have the rights to flail your guns around and the right to say all the nonsense you do. And it does – at least the nonsense part. But somehow it ends with your right – anyone elses constitutional rights be damned. Anyway – thanks for the distorted history lesson – now go and read up on what Christians did for several hundred years and let me know if that stops anyone from building a church in USA. There are a lot of prominent Christian leaders that have stated their plans to convert the entire world into a christan nation. How does that square with yours and mine rights?
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Nah, it’s like I always suspected – most partisans don’t know squat about the constitution and how it protects all minorities from the rule of the tyrrany of the majority. It outlines rights – you know – stuff everyone has. Not just what the majority feel is inapropriate. If that was the case they shouldn’ve started with the porn shops in the ‘shadow’ of the ‘sacred’ ground.
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I file this under nonsensical, irrational outrage. It’s mental masturbation, pure and simple.

How many times each day do you change your undies, little man? Really. Is there enough Tide or Chlorox in your home state to clean the stains from your BVDs from you messing yourself from the constant state of fear in which you live? Yeah, today the Burlington Coat Factory, tomorrow the world….

Like a good conservative, Rusty knows there’s nothing more patriotic than p!ssing your pants in fear about scary brown people.

Here you go kevin, this was all there was to Imam Rauf’s association with the Bush II Administration. He along with 200 other “scholars, government officials, political activists and leading thinkers in the political, religious, science, and cultural arenas during its fourth annual “U.S.-Islamic World Forum”
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“The Brookings Institution, a major think tank based in Washington, DC, embarked on a major initiative for global dialogue earlier this month by assembling government officials, political activists and leading thinkers in the political, religious, science, and cultural arenas during its fourth annual “U.S.-Islamic World Forum”. Set against the backdrop of the Hamas election victory and massive riots sparked by the Danish cartoons depicting the Prophet Muhammad, prominent leaders who gathered in Doha, Qatar, pledged to form a working group intended to address the unique challenges faced by Muslim minority populations.
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Under the theme of “Leaders Effect Change”, the annual conference seeks to examine how the United States can reconcile its need to eliminate terrorism and reduce the appeal of extremist movements with its need to build more positive relations with Muslim states and communities. Among those to address the conference were U.S. Undersecretary of State for Public Diplomacy Karen Hughes and several Gulf officials, who discussed repercussions of international events for the future of U.S.-Muslim world relations. Eager for interaction with and between the speakers, the 200 conference attendees shared ideas for addressing current challenges in numerous seminars exploring profound questions that the terrorist attacks of September 11th have raised for U.S. policy.

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Yea, the good ‘ol Imam was right in there with the Bush Administration. One would think he held some official post or something. Isn’t that what you are trying to take out of context, kevin?
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http://www.mpac.org/article.php?id=19
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One conference in Doha, Qatar in which he was one of over 200 other invitees.

Oh poor momento, I am not concluding anything else. Just providing more information so that people are as well informed as what you appear to be.
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Do you want a link to the 12th Imam? Now that is some good stuff too!!!

cracker?

LOL 2thirds, I wondered the same exact thing. Perhaps this individual belongs to the NEW Black Panther Party!!
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Amazing.

One would think he held some official post or something. Isn’t that what you are trying to take out of context, kevin?
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No, moron, this is what I’m talking about:
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http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/08/ground_zero_mosque_imam_bush_partner_for_peace.php?ref=fpblg
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He was sought out by Karen Hughes and Condi Rice to be a voice for the Bush administration not just in Doha, but elsewhere. I never said he held an official post — he’s a cleric, remember? — but the fact that the Bush State Department relied on him exposes the stupidity of people like you who try to portray the man as a radical aligned with al Qaeda.
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You’re a liar, Rusty. And a pretty bad one at that.

I think glorious has some real anger issues, Ike, but his anger is misdirected. Americans ARE angry with this administration and rightly so. 64% think this country is headed in the wrong direction and this has glorious and his cohorts really upset. How dare we, for rejecting progressive politics and saying NO to the bankrupting of our country! Yes, indeed, he is mad alright, but guess what? Too bad, the American people are in no mood for a continuation of his brand of politics. November cannot come soon enough…good bye and good riddance.

For the sake of defining Southern residency, the use of the word “cracker” is appropriate.

Rustydog:
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Rauf’s own pointed refusal to label Hamas a terrorist organization when pointedly asked…
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First, please link to that quote, so that we may understand what the man said in context and in his own words.
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Second, what does Hamas have to do with 9/11 and international jihad? They hate Israel, and, as the FBI says:

FBI director Robert Mueller has testified to the Senate Intelligence Committee that,

It is the FBI’s assessment, at this time, that there is a limited threat of a coordinated terrorist attack in the US from Palestinian terrorist organizations, such as Hamas, the Palestine Islamic Jihad, and the al-Aqsa Martyr’s Brigade.
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These groups have maintained a longstanding policy of focusing their attacks on Israeli targets in Israel and the Palestinian territories. We believe that the primary interest of Palestinian terrorist groups in the US remains the raising of funds to support their regional goals. [...]
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Of all the Palestinian groups, Hamas has the largest presence in the US with a robust infrastructure, primarily focused on fundraising, propaganda for the Palestinian cause, and proselytizing.
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Although it would be a major strategic shift for Hamas, its US network is theoretically capable of facilitating acts of terrorism in the US[241]

Hamas has everything to do with Israel vs Palestine, and nothing (so far) to do with any acts or planned acts of terrorism against Americans.
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They have a “a longstanding policy of focusing their attacks on Israeli targets in Israel and the Palestinian territories,” are only “theoretically capable of facilitating acts of terrorism in the US,” and exist here “primarily focused on fundraising.”
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Whatever this faith leader said about Hamas at some point has nothing to do whatsoever with America, so why should we have any feelings attached to the memory of 9/11, when that’s really just about the enemies of a foreign country like Israel?
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If that’s it, if Rick Scott’s sole claim to “the truth” about Rauf denying international jihadis’ Islamic extremism is something to do with this guy’s opinions about the miserable, endless, bloody Palestinian-Israeli conflict, then that’s nothing for Americans to be upset about at all. Who cares what he thinks about Hamas? Who cares whether he’s a big fan of the nation of Israel or not? What does that have to do with 9/11?
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If that’s Scott’s only case, then he should be ashamed for dragging the memory of the Americans who died on that day into politics, Rustydog.
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Please correct my understanding with the facts, if you have them, in the form of links and direct quotes.

I must say, I have in recent years been distancing myself from the GOP on myriad issues, despite the fact that the party has still presented itself as the lesser of two evils, in my opinion. This ends today. The GOP’s delusional opposition to the proposed community center is one of the most vile and lurid positions I’ve seen in recent years, shameless pandering to the most insensible views in America. The GOP is now no less bankrupt than the Democratic Party in my opinion. I’m truly disgusted at what I see.

I couldn’t bear to watch the Scott video that has so kindly been shared with us with out any real context.
Did the Medicare fraudster and venture capitalist mention his real foe, Charlie Crist, supports Obama’s position on the community center?
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I still see no response from anyone whether they think the Muslim worship center in the Pentagon should be removed? And how about those Mulims who work in the Pentagon and will eventually work at the new ground zero site? What should be done? Is that also defying sacred ground? How about those Muslims who have died in Afghanastan and Iraq? Should they be banned from burial in Arlington?

It’s very sad, isn’t it Exiled. My family was strongly GOP. When I told my mother that when I was old enough to vote, I would vote for the person I thought best even if he wasn’t a Republican, her response was, I’m glad your father didn’t live to hear you say that!
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The fiscal conservatism and social liberalism of the GOP kept me there for many years after I settled in a strong GOP suburb of Philadelphia. Finally I changed my registration to reflect the way I had been voting. I decided I could no longer accept being associated with a group who was going so far off the path. And that was before the pandering of the last four years. The suburb to which I moved has also changed and now four of the five major counties around Philadelphia have gone from the GOP to the Democratic party.
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Our country would be so much better off with two parties who were interested in working toward the good of the country and not for their own petty political goals.

Apr, you ask excellent questions.

“I think glorious has some real anger issues, Ike, but his anger is misdirected.”
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That’s what I have been saying about you, Earl, since you started posting – you have random anger pointed in the wrong direction.
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From what you say, you are angry that when you voted for Obama you are angry that he did not keep John McCain’s promise of Tort Reform and, instead, did what he could to keep his own promise of Health Care Reform.
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How dare Obama keep his own promises and not keep McCain’s promises.

Okay, if the governor of Florida gets to control zoning in Manhattan then, I guess it would only be fair if New Yorkers decide to rezone Florida to bring Disneyland to the South Bronx.

Why is somebody running for governor of Florida so fascinated with zoning regulations concerning dead Manhatanites and the dead from NYC and the Tri-State area?

Is he upset that those are 3,000 New Yorkers who were going to retire in Florida within the next 35 years and, therefore, calls this his business?

You backed kevin into a corner, newfree and he has his liberal feathers ruffled. They are upset because over 60% of the American people back your view and they are in a scramble to paint us all as intolerant racists.It seems now that one of their own champions, Harry Reid, sides with the majority on this issue, as well. So broaden your paint stroke, kevin, your own breed appears to be abandoning ship!

FTW!

Kathy,
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“I can not fathom why so few republicans, understanding foreign policy, aren’t recognizing that this bigoted point of view puts our national security at risk, besides betraying the values that founded this country.”
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Kathy, This is not a Republican vs. Democrat issue.
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According to the latest Polls over 70% of American citizens are against the Mosque being located so close to Ground Zero. That means that most Independents and some Democrats are also against this location. Even some Moslem Leaders have now come out against this location saying it is insensitive to all Americans and the 9/11 victims and their families.
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I personally think way to much is being made of this issue. Legally they have the right to build this mosque at this location. The question is, is it worth the negatives it will cause between Moslems and the majority of Americans.
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Other questions that will probably come up are, will the NYC construction unions be willing to build it. You could have picket lines all over New York City preventing the actual construction to take place. Many other road blocks could also happen.
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For the Moslem community is it worth the harm this will cause their relationship between them and a majority of other Americans.
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It appears from the polls that only 21% of Americans are for the building of the mosque at this location. They are mostly people who consider themselves Liberals/Progressives. This group is almost always out of step with the vast majority of Americans. They appear to be the ones who are demonizing the majority of Americans on this subject.
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So I personally think this location is a bad idea but legally it can be built if the Moslem Developers believe it’s worth the pain and problems it will cause.

Yeah, let’s take a poll when it comes to your constitutional rights. Oh, when is Mitt going to weigh in on this one? Don’t hold your hand over any of your sphincters until that happens….

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You could have picket lines all over New York City preventing the actual construction to take place.”

…..glad to see you’re suddenly so pro-union….

Now, hold on just a minute.
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This group is almost always out of step with the vast majority of Americans.
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The protection of Social Security and the dignity of our seniors? Laws against pollution and poisoned products? Respect for women? Freedom of religion? Upholding the Bill of Rights? A smarter, stronger America? The entrepreneurship of the little guy? An end to the waste of tax-payer dollars? Sticking up for ordinary working people’s interests? The defense of liberty from both the prying state and the domineering banks and huge corporations? Democracy in action?
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Forget whether liberals have done a good enough job letting our fellow Americans know what we stand for, are you saying that folks are out of step with that program of ours?
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You sure about that?

:…the leader of the ground zero mosque refuses to admit that Muslim extremists use terror tactics”
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Why must Muslim leaders prove that some of their own ranks are crazy? As if that’d make the Foxers change their tune. Wanna ask a rabbi, priest or minister that about their fellow believers?

The sheer idiocy of voting for somebody because he raises an issue that has NOTHING TO DO WITH EITHER HIS STATE OR THE OFFICE FOR WHICH HE’S RUNNING makes us seem dumber than we already think we are.

…we already know from Dr Laura that different people use the same word differently. Presumably.

Stuart,
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Nice to hear from you again.
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But what’s your impression on the rest of my post?

Fascinating time line of the controversy and how it was ginned up.

http://muslimmatters.org/2010/08/16/salon-com-how-the-ground-zero-mosque-fear-mongering-began/

I still don’t believe, deep down, anyone really cares about this.
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August 2010′s shiny bouncing ball.

I happened to hear this exchange with Don Lemon on CNN this week-end and was shocked. Forgot about this when it should have been posted on Michael S. post about the press to show their role in this.

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/08/16/cnn/index.html

“It appears from the polls that only 21% of Americans are for the building of the mosque at this location.”
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Well guess what, sh!thead. Only 24% of Americans see the Republican Party positively (who’s “out of step with the vast majority of Americans”), how ’bout we pull the plug on that project right now.
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38665351/ns/politics/
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And you’re lying about “the polls”:
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http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailypolitics/2010/08/poll-nearly-70-of-americans-op.html

I heard it to Ivy. And what should not be shocking is the fact Don Lemon not understanding the fu#k he even talking about.

Another national disgrace started by a lying right-wing blogger and flogged for all it’s worth by the right-wing Limbaugh/Murdoch lie machine:

…a Salon review of the origins of the story found, the controversy was kicked up and driven by Pamela Geller, a right-wing, viciously anti-Muslim, conspiracy-mongering blogger, whose sinister portrayal of the project was embraced by Rupert Murdoch’s New York Post.

You didn’t read about it here first!

uhh, okay…

For the life of me, I cannot conjure up even the most unsubstantial bit of rational support for this perspective. Obviously, most of the politicians opposed to this -now include Harry Reid in that eclectically immoral mix- don’t actually believe what they are saying. But, who would want the vote of someone who does believe in this unabashed, depthless hatred?

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The question is, is it worth the negatives it will cause between Moslems and the majority of Americans.
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The only people that will be adversely affected by this construction are those who are already at odds with the Muslim world and who have no desire for reconciliation anyway. I dismiss them and any of their concerns without hesitation. Do you honestly feel that the Muslim world is complicit in the 9/11 attacks and that all Muslims should therefore feel the need to qualify their actions, apologize for others’ actions (ostensibly the 19 alleged hijackers), and should continuously tip-toe around the narcissistic delusions of victimhood-seeking Americans?

People don’t know, neorationalist86, they just don’t know.
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http://bttf.wikia.com/wiki/Libyan_terrorist
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That’s what they know.
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To Americans, Muslims and terrorists are the same, they have no knowledge to the contrary, and plenty of cheap talk that tells them it’s so.

Motaz Elshafi, 28, a software engineer, casually opened an internal e-mail at work last month. The message began, “Dear Terrorist.”
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The note from a co-worker was sent to Muslims working at Cisco Systems in Research Triangle Park, N.C., a few days after train bombings in India that killed 207. The e-mail warned that such violent acts wouldn’t intimidate people, but only make them stronger.
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“I was furious,” says Elshafi, who is New Jersey-born and bred. “What did I have to do with this violence?”
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Thirty-nine percent of respondents to the USA TODAY/Gallup Poll said they felt at least some prejudice against Muslims. The same percentage favored requiring Muslims, including U.S. citizens, to carry a special ID “as a means of preventing terrorist attacks in the United States.” About one-third said U.S. Muslims were sympathetic to al-Qaeda, and 22% said they wouldn’t want Muslims as neighbors.
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The USA TODAY/Gallup Poll suggests Americans have greater fear of Muslim men than women: 31% said they’d feel more nervous flying if a Muslim man was on the plane; 18% said they’d be more nervous with a Muslim woman. The poll, conducted July 28-30, has a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.
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Many Americans clearly don’t trust those of the Muslim faith. In fact, 54% said they couldn’t vote for a Muslim for president in a June Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg poll. That compares with 21% who turned thumbs-down on an evangelical Christian and 15% who wouldn’t cast their ballot for a Jew.

Who is telling them differently, neorationalist86?
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How are we supposed to know, if folks don’t live where I live –downtown Manhattan– and have never seen a Muslim, except on TV?

So we have heard from all the modern Joe McCarthy’s out there…
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Where are the modern Edward R. Murrow’s?

Stuart,
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“Now, hold on just a minute.
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This group is almost always out of step with the vast majority of Americans.”
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Now Stuart calm down for a moment.
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If I had left out the above comment do you honestly see anything wrong with my analysis in this post. I’m not asking if you agree with it. Just do you think I’m acting like a bigot etc. in this particular post or is it a reasonable manner to look at this situation.

I did provide the link, with audio if you care to listen to the man in his own words.

You are about as much of a GOP’er as Santa Claus is part of the Rockettes at Radio City Music Hall.

Paul.
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“I still don’t believe, deep down, anyone really cares about this.”
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It appears that most liberals on the swamp seen to care about it a lot.
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I tried to make some rather moderate comments [example post 22 above} and I’ve been called every name in the book.
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I think name calling kind of goes with immaturity. The more mature a person is the less they need to call people names to express themselves. Less mature people seem to have limited vocabularies and therefore must resort to name calling. I think it makes them feel manly. In reality it makes them look stupid.
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I agree it’s over blown and will tend to die out of the media in the near feature.
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They are upset because over 60% of the American people back your view and they are in a scramble to paint us all as intolerant racists.
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Oh there’s no need to scramble to paint you all as intolerant racists. You do such a great job yourselves, between 2/3rocks ranting about “ragheads” and Rusty stroking himself with glee as he thinks about Japanese getting nuked and all the rest.
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You are intolerant, and you are racists. No help from liberals needed.

You are about as much of a GOP’er as Santa Claus is part of the Rockettes at Radio City Music Hall.
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Clearly he’s not a GOP’er.
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Exiled has demonstrated repeatedly that he has a sharp mind, an ability to think for himself, and as we see here, a fully functional conscience.
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How could he ever be a GOP’er sheep like you? You get told who to hate, and why you’re supposed to hate them, and you dutifully fulfill your part like an obedient little pet.
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Good boy. Good GOP’er. Roll over. Play braindead.

I knew Don Lemon was an idiot, but that takes the cake.

Let me think about it, 3xfire3, you raise some interesting points.
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Your idea that relationships between Americans (Muslim and otherwise) should receive special consideration in troubled times is worth considering. We want to be a strong, unified country, obviously.
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Let me think about it.

Don Lemon has the IQ of a lemon.

I’m glad you noticed, Rusty. I wouldn’t touch your grand ol’ party if you paid me. Unfortunately, there was a very recent time when I thought quite differently.
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I’ll go ahead and save you some time by pointing out that I can’t possibly be conservative because I don’t recklessly follow the “conservative” party down the drain of feckless partisanship. What’s more, if I were really conservative, I would choose America, not Al-Qaeda, err the benign Park51 Islamic community center.

Jesus, Rustydog, did you actually read/listen to it?

Klein asked Rauf on his show whether the imam agrees with the State Department’s designation of Hamas as a terrorist organization.
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“I’m not a politician,” replied Rauf. “I try to avoid the issues. The issue of terrorism is a very complex question. … I’m a bridge builder. I define my work as a bridge builder. I do not want to be placed, nor do I accept to be placed in a position of being put in a position where I am the target of one side or another.”
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Klein pointed out Hamas attacks have targeted civilians and asked Rauf again whether that qualifies to define Hamas as terrorists.
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Rauf stated: “The targeting of civilians is wrong. It is a sin in our religion. Whoever does it, targeting civilians is wrong. I am a supporter of the state of Israel. … I will not allow anybody to put me in a position where I am seen by any party in the world as an adversary.”
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When Klein persisted in asking about Hamas, Rauf charged the radio host of “accus[ing] me of things. You are killing the messenger.”
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“You are trying to bring down the person who is trying to build security between our country and our faith tradition,” said Rauf. “My urge to you. I have worked for the law-enforcement agencies.”
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Klein interrupted, stating, “And yet you refuse to tell me Hamas is a terror organization.”

What the crap, Rustydog?
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What the hell does this have to do with 9/11?

“I personally think way to much is being made of this issue. Legally they have the right to build this mosque at this location. The question is, is it worth the negatives it will cause between Moslems and the majority of Americans.”
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No, this is a very important thing that is happening; the public reaction I mean. The question should not be whether Muslims have the absolute right to build the mosque where they like, nor should it be whether some of us will react badly if they try to. The questions should be, are we now a religiously tolerant or a religiously bigoted country.

Damm*t! I agree. Has anyone checked the temperature in Hell recently?

Imagine that. Rick Scott, the latest carpetbagger running for governor of Florida, talking about “truth.” One would think Scott would retire in peace to count the millions of dollars he made while his Columbia/HCA hospitals were busy stealing from the federal taxpayers via Medicare/Medicaid fraud (for which the company paid $1-billion-plus in fines!!).

look: If only?

Hello,

There is a simple solution to prevent the mosque from being built there.
Muslums believe that if you tounch a pig you are disqualified from entering the muslum heaven.
Simply put, start a ground movement to deliever PORK products to the building in question.
Ham sandwiches, pigs feet, bacon,ect..

Open up a hotdog stand in front of the building.

When thousands of ham sandwiches get delivered to that building the muslums wont want it anymore.

Ominous note: If you didn’t know, when islam is spread by the sword the first thing they do is erect a mosque at the holy site of the conquered land.

If they succeed in building this mosque the ‘arab street’ will consider this a great victory over the west.

Discuss this with many people .
Pass the word.

Thankyou