Bombing Iran

On the one hand, it’s pretty hard to envision Barack Obama–whose candidacy was partly premised on reconciling America with the Muslim world–launching a military strike on Iran’s nuclear facilities. On the other hand you have data points like Jeffrey Goldberg’s latest Atlantic opus, in which White House officials insist that “President Obama has by no means ruled out counterproliferation by force.” Goldberg spends some time looking at the question of whether and how Israel might coordinate with Washington should Bibi Netanyahu decide that only force can deny Ahmadinejad and Khamenei the bomb. The discussion leads me back to the final piece I wrote for my last employer, which looked at the practical effects and implications of a U.S. or Israeli strike. My core conclusion:

Obviously, a diplomatic solution to Iran’s nuclear march would be vastly preferable to a military one. And even if, as seems likely, tough international sanctions are either unattainable or fail to change Iran’s course, it may well be that air strikes aren’t worth the potentially terrible consequences. Yet if someone is going to bomb Iran, it shouldn’t be Israel. It should be America.

Click here for my full reasoning, but basically an Israeli strike has a lower chance of success with roughly the same amount of blowback for the U.S.

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  • Paul-no not that one

    I’m thinking we probably have our hands full as it is right now.

  • paschendale1917

    Stop feeding this nitwit meme. I inevitably have to keep track of this stuff but this deluge of “look out below!!” has truly gotten irritating as it ain’t gonna happen here and now. Could conditions emerge in the future to warrant it? Sure but right now all the negatives outweigh the positives.

    As for later – All this carping cites the same worn out theme “oh watch out come next summer!!” But come on – there’s a whole year between now and then. How many factors can change between now and then? A ton. Did it happen this year? No. Were we hearing the same thing last year? Yes. Am I having too many Rummey flashbacks? Heck yes.

    Thus rabidly prognisticating the prospect of a Rolling Thunder Part 12 (whether targeted strikes or carpet bombing doesn’t matter) is pointless except to fan the flames and usually those who are flaming for bombing the most know the least.

    You’re calling for tac nukes instead of conventionals? Just shut up. Also…..

  • http://whitsd.wordpress.com whitsd

    Quoting Lieberman:
    “If sanctions do not work then we have to be prepared to use military force to stop the unacceptable from happening.”
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    How is using preemptive strikes and potentially sparking a war not ‘the unacceptable’? Until ALL other options are exhausted can this be even considered.
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    Let us also not forget that China and Russia are generally backers of Iran as shown by their vows to veto any UN action made against this ‘rogue state’. This means if the US starts something, we have to finish it on our own.
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    4 years ago the only people I saw advocating preemptive strikes on Iran were the most radical fringes of politics. Am I the only one disturbed by the spread of this idea?

  • bobcn1

    This is insane.

    If the Iraqis defend their borders by intercepting or shooting down Israeli bombers violating their airspace, the US should support (both diplomatically and, if necessary, militarily) the Iraqis.

  • http://whitsd.wordpress.com whitsd

    You mean Iranians, right?
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    First of all, Israel is by far the US’s strongest ally in the middle east, and we would not throw that away for a chance at improved relations with a nation that directly opposes us. We even supply Israel with a large chunk of its weapons.
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    Secondly, even if the US decided to break its treaty with Israel, it is highly unlikely that (assuming that for some reason the Iranians accept the help) this would change the way America is viewed. We would be considered even more to be the western imperialists trying to take over the world.

  • sevenoaks07

    Does Swampland require a weely quota of posts by each member? This one adds little to the previous discussion. Anyone find anything significant in the above?

  • bobcn1

    ‘You mean Iranians, right?’
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    No, I mean Iraqis. As the military occupiers of Iraq, the US is responsible for the defense of Iraq.
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    Israel can’t mount an attack on Iran without violating Iraqi airspace. It is in our national interest to prevent the Israelis from committing what is arguably an act of war against the Iraq by intentionally violating their airspace with bombers. If the Israelis are seen to violate Iraqi airspace with US complicity, the consequences for our troops in Iraq could be severe. Also, what little positive feeling there may be for the US in Iraq would be instantly erased.
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    Crowley contends that the US should go to war against Iran because the US would be retaliated against anyway if the Israelis mounted an attack. He suggests that we have no choice but to be dragged into war by Israel. I contend that we do have a choice, and we wouldn’t suffer the consequences of an Israeli attack if we prevented it. We should also make it clear to the Israelis that if they try to invade Iraqi airspace they will be confronted by armed US fighters that are ready to shoot.
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    We are in the awkward position of being expected to defend both Israel and Iraq. Crowley ignores half of that obligation. The US can’t afford to.
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    Also, Crowley (and most of the ‘Bomber Boys’) ignore the consequences of going to war with Iran. The consequences for the US of Iranian retaliation (inevitably escalating into full blown war) could be severe.

  • bobcn1

    Oops. Comment #6 is supposed to be a reply to #4.1.

  • http://whitsd.wordpress.com whitsd

    Actually, Israel can launch a strike without violating Iraqi airspace. The specific war game scenario mentioned in the article involves going through Saudi airspace. While we are weapons suppliers to Saudi Arabia, we have no defense liabilities there. It is more likely that Iran would be the first to violate US neutrality. While the US can make Iraq a buffer zone, it is still fairly easy to go around.
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    If anything, the US seems to have created a buffer zone which places us in the situation of being forced into the middle no matter what. With our involvement in Turkey, Iraq, and Kuwait with some involvement in Saudi Arabia it is no wonder Iran believes we are taking over. Iran will do everything it can to keep the US out of the war directly, since then NATO becomes involved and it loses all chances of winning.
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    Since ideologically Saudi Arabia is much closer to Iran than Israel it will likely not allow the incursion, but that is not especially likely to stop Israel (look at the Seven Day’s War).

  • bobcn1

    I mistakenly posted your reply at #6.
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    However, I’m interested in something you’ve stated. You’ve repeated the cliche that ‘Israel is by far the US’s strongest ally in the middle east’. I used to think that too.
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    The US is certainly Israel’s strongest ally. We pump massive amounts of US tax payer money into Israel. What do we get back for it?
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    We can’t afford universal health care for Americans, but somehow we can afford to give Israel billions — which they spend to give their own citizens universal health care. The US has been demanding that the Israelis stop building settlements on Palestinian lands since the 1970s. Israel ignores us.
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    Lately, Netanyahu (and especially Avigdor Lieberman) have treated the President of the US in a dismissive, almost insulting fashion. They’ve also made it very clear that they just don’t care what the US thinks. They will do whatever they want.
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    The Israelis get a lot out of the relationship with the US. What does the US get out of this relationship?

  • rose83

    Yet if someone is going to bomb Iran, it shouldn’t be Israel. It should be America.
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    I apologize if I’m missing something obvious, but why?

  • acameronw

    Has the U.S. completely given up on lending support to dissident elements in Iran? I’m not in the least minimizing the dangers of a nuclear Iran, but an attack on their nuclear facilities will radicalize half the dissidents and send the other half into the shadows out of fear of being associated with America. (I think this will be just as true if the strike comes from the U.S. or Israel.) Even in a country as divided as Iran, don’t underestimate the rally-round-the-flag effect of bombs dropping. We may think we’re only attacking the mullahs, but the Iranian on the street isn’t going to see it that way.

  • formerlyjames

    “Israel is by far the US’s strongest ally in the middle east…”.

    And the basis for all of the US troubles in the middle east. With this ally we have adopted their enemies and that is a major problem, as we can see.

  • formerlyjames

    “…with US complicity…” The US hasn’t been complicit throughout the existence of Israel??
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    I am trying to follow your argument and so far yes I agree (and I violate my cardinal rule here to avoid personal comments), that Crowley is an idiot, and any thought of an Iran attack is idiotic and insane. You lose me only on the Israel worship.

  • formerlyjames

    And then there is Russia, which announced today that they are completing the nuclear energy project in Iran and there will be a to do and ribbon cutting.
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    i am stepping all over my own code of conduct here, but I have to shamefully admit that I take Reader’s Digest on my iphone, and Crowley has been pissing me off for some time with his alarmist columns appealing to the great RW. This will be my last comment, and I leave shame faced.

  • stmichaeltraveler

    USA Interests: Iran and the Middle East

    I for one have preached for a world without any nuclear bombs. I am all for a meaningful enforcement of NPT.

    Let be serious, our anger with the Iranian government since 1979 has had nothing to do with their nuclear fuel cycle, or an Iranian military threat to the Middle Eastern nations [Double Vendetta: The Insanity of the Iran Confrontation ] http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/08/double-vendetta-the-insanity-of-the-iran-confrontation/

    The video is a good introduction to the issues of Iran and USA-Israel vector to force the USA interests in the Middle East.

    The Iranians are not a military threat for USA, France, England, and Germany.
    http://stmichaeltraveler.wordpress.com/2010/07/17/the-usa-interests-in-the-middle-east-iran/

    Iran’s military spending is “relatively low compared to the rest of the region,” and of course minuscule as compared to the US. Iranian military doctrine is strictly “defensive, designed to slow an invasion and force a diplomatic solution to hostilities.” Iran has only “a limited capability to project force beyond its borders.” With regard to the nuclear option, “Iran’s nuclear program and its willingness to keep open the possibility of developing nuclear weapons is a central part of its deterrent strategy.”

    Is Iran a threat to Israel?
    Facts: Israel has 3 nuclear submarines, donated by Germany, capable to carry nuclear bombs. USA has provided Israel planes capable to carry nuclear bombs. Israel has nuclear bombs and the most sophisticated armaments in the world, thanks to the generosity of US and Germany.

    Then why does Israel feel threatened by Iran? A common explanation often offered has been psychological syndrome. A cure for this behavior cannot be another war instigated on behalf of Israel, this time with Iran. In spite of our statements, Iranian nuclear fuel cycle, or state of democracy in Iran, or theocracy are not high priority issues relative to our national interests. What are the USA Interests in the Middle East?http://stmichaeltraveler.wordpress.com/2010/07/17/the-usa-interests-in-the-middle-east-iran/

    General Petraeus informed the Senate Committee on Armed Services in March 2010 that “the Iranian regime is the primary state-level threat to stability” in the U.S. Central Command area of responsibility, the Middle East and Central Asia, the primary region of US global concerns. The term “stability” here has its usual technical meaning: firmly under US control.

    Iranian threat is not military aggression. Iranian deterrent capacity is considered an illegitimate exercise of sovereignty that interferes with US global designs. Specifically, it threatens US control of Middle East energy resources, a high priority of planners since World War II. As one influential figure advised, expressing a common understanding, control of these resources yields “substantial control of the world” (A. A. Berle).
    Iranians have had difficulty to understand one key issue; our national interest in the Middle East is a high priority. Iranians must submit to the US interests in the Middle East [Double Vendetta: The Insanity of the Iran Confrontation ], like under Shah.

  • theotherjimmyolson

    why should America do the bombing of Iran? why not Sweden? Seriously you have all lost your minds talking about bombing a nation as casually as talking about buying a lottery ticket. Enough, this whole issue woulds go away tomorrow if we signed an agreement with Iran, yes I said Iran, to come to their aid if they are attacked.

  • phead128

    America should conquer Iran. Seriously.

    Iran’s army may fall within 4 weeks.

    We just need to convince the America public the Iranian threat is as real as it sounds to be.

    If only America was a dictatorship, this “popular support” for a war that screwed Vietnam war over would not have happened.

  • Cliff

    This is the reason for the furor over Goldberg’s piece in the Atlantic.
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    He says he’s just neutrally reporting that Israel will probably bomb Iran.
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    Now we have Crowley saying “Well, if anyone’s going to bomb Iran, it may as well be the US.”
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    Next up, Wolf Blitzer talking about how of course Iran is dangerous and has to go.

  • alanmirs

    The only intelligent comment so far

  • sevenoaks07

    Armchair warriors are a dime a dozen in Washington. They are engaged in out-machoing one another. Has Crowley thought through the consequences especially in the Gulf region? And will oil continue to flow through the Straits of Ormuz?

  • jlbrumb

    “should Bibi Netanyahu decide that only force can deny Ahmadinejad and Khamenei the bomb”

    Read more: http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/08/13/bombing-iran/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+timeblogs%2Fswampland+%28TIME%3A+Swampland%29#ixzz0wbIEMCbH

    We should completely eliminate his capability to start any attack. This jerk can not be allowed to hold the world hostage ti his Zionism.

  • haman1

    The poll by “Zogby” is a Que against Mrs. Clinton rhetoric against Iran and the Zionists’s Iran phobia. The Arab states are not worried about Iran a bit. The Iran phobia propaganda by the rogue Apartheid Zionists state blow up in their face again. It is clear that Iran is not a threat to any one and the Zionists created this myth just to keep the two state peace treaties NOT to go through.

    The Zionists lies such as the “Yellow Cake”, supposedly purchased by Saddam Hussein from a country in Africa and the WMD in Iraq started that war. They have tried that with Iran as well, with lies about an Iranian laptop that was taken out and showed the Iranians work on the nuclear bomb detonator etc etc just to brain wash the American population and public opinion to get us to go to war for them again.

    The Zionists infiltration in our government and the News organizations has given them a free hand on the American public opinion and foreign policies and we are being used like a cheap hand puppet. We need to wake up and see how our country is being stolen right from underneath of us by the Zionists.

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