Best 2010 Candidate Storyline: This Guy, Ben Quayle

Well, if there’s people stupid enough to vote for JD Hayworth again, then there’s people stupid enough to vote for Ben Quayle.
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And we’ve got those people, in droves. Swing on by to Arizona, folks, for all your stupid needs!

finally, some comic relief in our politics!

Does he spell “porno” with an ‘e’ on the end?

There can be no better comment than this.

I don’t know how many of you remember the Republican 92 convention. It was filled with the crazies..Pat Buchanan, Marilyn Quayle, etc. It scared the sh*t out of America.
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I can’t wait until the 2012 Republican convention. Their crazies have increased expodentially. They will be fighting over the podium to prove who is the most insanely reactionary.

Agreed. Brilliant!

Pitchfork does that on Morning Joke. And the gang around him enjoy it. They are only uncomfortable when he takes off on Israel.

Well as compared to Obama, this Quayle’s supporters are far far less in number than those who elected our current President.
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Well, if there’s people stupid enough to voted for Barack Barry HUSSEIN Obama, then there’s people stupid enough to vote for Ben Quayle.

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There FIXED it for ya!!
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Enjoy!!

Gee, more tabloid journalism from Michael Scherer. It is getting almost routine now. I guess when you have the likes of Maxine the Banking Wonder Woman Waters along with Goodtime Charlie Rangel up to their ears in corruption and political muck, people like Scherer, and TIME.com have to put down at least one Repub or Conservative.
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Isn’t that right Michael?
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Up next from Michael Scherer; “Barack Obama’s Alien Mother Lands in Florida”

Hey april2563, is that opposed to the 1968 Chicago Democrat Party Convention where they almost burned Chicago down for a 2nd time?
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Who was it you put up that year April? Humpty Dumpty Humphrey and that marvelous Muskie?? Ahhh, good ole Hubert and Edmund. Almost a match in heaven.
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The good ole days. Where Bill Ayers, Bernadine Dorn, Abby Hoffman, Tom Hayden, David Dellinger, Rennie Davis, John Froines, Jerry Rubin, Lee Weiner, and Bobby Seale promoted free love and “KILL THE PIGS”.
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Now where did all of those clowns go? Oh that’s right, some are dead, some are advisers to this Administration.

It must be hell to wake up in the morning and realize that you aren’t going to be any brighter than this all day long. So much hatred, so little time.

He is no different then the rest of the Arizona politicians. They are all a weird lot……..

artraveler,
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I assume you were looking in the mirror when you made your comments.
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Typical comment for people who know nothing. If a conservative disagrees with the views of a liberal they must be full of hate. That sure makes logical sense if you have no sense.

“..is that opposed to the 1968 Chicago Democrat Party Convention where they almost burned Chicago down for a 2nd time?”
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1968?
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Too recent!
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Let’s discuss when George McClellan had the Democratic nomination running against Abe Lincoln.
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You do know that 1968 was 42 years ago the same year my parents married – three years before I was born.

I’m just staying within the political time frame which april2563 can remember sartor. She has readily admitted she is losing her memory to Alzheimer’s Disease. I just figured since she went back 20 years, what does 42 years do to jolt her memory cells?
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I am sure April2563 simply sighed, and said….Oh dear me, Bill Ayers…..that was such a lovely time in history”

“I guess when you have the likes of Maxine the Banking Wonder Woman Waters along with Goodtime Charlie Rangel up to their ears in corruption and political muck, people like Scherer, and TIME.com have to put down at least one Repub or Conservative.”
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Please go to your eye doctor.
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Waters and Rangel have gotten plenty of space here and nobody here is accusing Ben Quayle of anytthing at all other than using family connections.
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“Typical comment for people who know nothing. If a conservative disagrees with the views of a liberal they must be full of hate. That sure makes logical sense if you have no sense.”
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No, typical of wingnuts when they see one of their own as a laughing stock to either defend that laughing stock by saying that Sarah Palin will drive democrats into the desert for 40 years or to bring up completely unrelated things about Democrats.
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Let’s see the cheering crowds here defending Rangel and Waters?
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[insert cricket chirps here]
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Now compare that to people supporting unqualified Quayle.
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Got it?

That and a quarter…but thx

Patrick,
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You never answered this earlier post that asked you to back up your comments with facts.
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I thought I would give you another chance to see if you any real facts.
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Please give me the links showing your sourses that you refered to in your posts.
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Patrick,
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“You would make a good politician. You can BS by the hour and never answer a question.”
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Let try it again and try to be focused.
Read my prior post and answer the specific questions. Stay out of the weed and be accurate and specific. Keep it short and to the point so it is understandable to others.
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Also
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“I presented links to show that a survey asked self employed and business owners their opinions about unions from highly favorable towards union expansion to other industries to very unfavorable. It was something like 60% very favorable towards union expansion, an additional 20% somewhat favorable and only 20% in the other three categories combined.”
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I still question the accuracy of this survey you keep referring to. If it’s for real please post a link. If you can not do that I will assume it is not for real.
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“I found a survey showing that a majority of small business owners strongly supported organized labor and another poll which showed a very strong majority of business owners strongly support environmental regulation.”
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“It was about the proposed cap and trade with those same five categories and it had similar results.”
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The results you are stating are too broad brush to make any sense. Please provide a link showing the survey.
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“You are in the suburbs of a small Midwestern city. I am in what both Rudolph Giuliani and Bob Dylan called “the center of the universe”.
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“Unfortunately you seem to presume that your experiences are so much grater than everybody else’s that your word alone covers everything.”
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Patrick,
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Again you make statements about things of which you have no knowledge. I was born in a large city and lived there for 22 years. I then took a job with a Fortune 500 Corporation and spend 2 years in Detroit. I was then transferred to another large city where I lived for 8 years. I then moved to a small city of 17,000 and I still live here most of the year. In the winter my wife and I live in a large city in Florida for 4 months each year. My own company had 8 branches which are located in ever major city in Ohio. I spent considerable time in each of these cities.
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My world does not cover everything but if you think you can not learn anything from a 71 year old with three times the adult life experiences of you and 3 times the higher education then you, you are indeed a fool. I’m not saying this to be uncivil. I’m just stating a fact. A day does not go by where I don’t learn something new and I have lived a lot more days then you. If you are not learning something new each day then you have a major problem.

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“My world does not cover everything…”
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This is indeed true.
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This is probably the most accurate part of any statement you have ever made…

Son Of Stupid…

And to help you expand your coverage, read these:
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http://www.quintardtaylor.com/books-published

We have a PRESIDENT who 6 out of 10 CITIZENS think may NOT be a citizen or at the very least committed fraud on his SCHOOL grants and the liberal progressives are worried about ANYONE else?? Those tactic will no longer work on the AMERICAN people.. call attention to SOMEONE elses short comings in hopes of hiding your own guys flaws.. why is it no one ever hears about the wrongs of the left, they say it’s either THE OTHER GUY’S fault or THE PEOPLE ARE RACIST.. since I don’t LIVE in AZ and I don’t know ALL the facts this man is running on maybe it’s time the left quits with their babyish tactics and GROW UP..put down the drugs and booze and back away deal with reality and facts for a change.. BTW while I have voted for OBAMA in the past I will say I AGREE he is the worst president ever.. which after Bush says it all

Maybe that caps lock should be considered a drug, too…

http://blog.aflcio.org/2010/05/18/survey-small-business-owners-say-unions-good-for-business/
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One link per entry.
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Note the survey was done by an outside company, but, who would ever ask such questions, yes, union leadership of course.
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“Some 80 percent of the small business owners and self-employed individuals surveyed agreed that “strong unions make the free market system stronger.” A significant majority—54 percent—strongly agreed….
A full 69 percent of the respondents said it was very important to their businesses that “Congress enact legislation that rewards responsible employers who respect their workers’ right to join a union.””
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“According to the poll, which was commissioned by National Clean Fuels, Inc, 61% of US small business owners surveyed believe acting to reduceclimate changeby moving toward clean energy will help the US economy. Perhaps even more importantly, 58% say they want their businesses to be participators in this shift to clean energy. Two thirds of small business owners surveyed said they thought a clean energy and climate bill would raise their operating costsbut the majority stated they would support such legislation anyway. It seems small business owners have made the connection that passing a climate bill will benefit the economy in the end, and they’re willing to work and even make a short-term sacrifice to make this happen.”
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http://www.justmeans.com/Actually-Small-Business-Owners-Do-Want-a-Climate-Bill/21070.html
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This isn’t the original since we discussed this before June 30th when this article was written, but, it makes exactly the same point.

Patrick and seven: I find it offensive that MSNBC keeps Buchanan on their payroll. He is anti-semetic, xenophobic, homophobic, and sexist. They treat him like their favorite uncle. I wrote and asked MSNBC if they kept him in some attic at their building where he hangs upside down ready to swoop in for a comment.
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Also, patrick and seven, have you ever been in a conversation with someone and decided that the dialogue was pointless? You walk away but the person keeps yelling at you with ad hominum attacks and pointless rhetoric. When you stop interaction with the reactionaries on this site, they still show their weakness by lashing out at those who ignore them. Sad.

Random question 3timesfired, freekinpathetic, numbfreekblah, sticky, or any of you other blathering right wing trolls…
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Do any of you have the guts to throw out a name of someone that could beat Obama in 2012? I mean a real name of a real person… not Captain America. Any ideas? Any guts? Any clue?

So, like I said all along, you are to the far right of small business owners on economic issues on a national level.
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Granted that I am presuming your sincerity in your belief that you are a moderate conservative with mainstream beliefs, I can think of three ways your sample is skewed:
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1) You meet people in conservative/Republican supporting organizations and then discover that they include small business owners.
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2) The places you go are far more conservative than average and those individuals are more conservative business owners, more conservative employees, more conservative clergy – just a plain conservative place.
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3) You are respected in business and other places but known to be forceful in your political beliefs so people chose to nod when you talk about politics, you presume it is full agreement and some of those people, after nodding, go out and vote for Obama and other Democrats.
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You say that you lived in a large city until you were 22 and previously said that you were a Democrat until you were 25.
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You state that the Democratic Party and Liberals have changed.
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Do the math.
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It is very possible that you moved from a liberal place where you heard both sides of things but with a leaning towards Democrats and took a moderate position as Democrat when you were young. You then moved a conservative place where you heard only the conservative POV and centered your own thinking to theirs.
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Where I grew up there was no Democratic First Selectman (equivalent to mayor) between 1938 and 1988, Republicans outnumbered Independents 2 to 1 and Republicans outnumbered Democrats 4 to 1.
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I have heard the conservative POV very often and, having lived in liberal areas (Boston and New York) the liberal POV very often, too.
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Would you take the opinion of a sound minded 98 year old plumber about medicine above that of your doctor?
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No?
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Would you take the opinion about computers by a sound minded 98 year old retired doctor over that of a computer expert in their 40s who has worked on computers since he was in junior high school?
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No?
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Then why should your work in business for many years and your chronological age get you anything more than the door held open for you at the coffee shop?
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Respect for elders: hold the door open for them at the coffee shop, church… wherever since they may have more trouble walking and you’d never want a door slamming in your face when you are not as healthy as you used to be.
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Taking everything an elder says but has no expertise in as proven fact, however, is a different matter.

So, when facts contradict a self proclaimed elder who has experience he does not intend to verify, I take the facts I found to be true and this elderly man to be badly mistaken.
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Even within my business, the first source I would go to for facts about it would be trade papers and publicly issued reports about the industry and, then, secondarily, the most experienced brokers.
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Also note, I said most experienced brokers.
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If one is 52 (not old) but got into the business right out of college and another is 78 but didn’t get into the business until he was 50 years old (not that rare amongst realtors – it is more often a second profession frequently attracting accountants who grow to hate accounting among others) it would be the 52 year old with 30 years experience rather than the 78 year old with 28 years of experience.
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For understanding how government interacts with small business, it would be how many years you worked as an economist on this project, not your age which will impress me.
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One thing you would know since people until fifteen years ago were more formal at work than they now are and you worked for so many years: how do you get a coffee stain off of white shirt without destroying it with bleach.
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My job is very old school in terms of clothes – jacket and tie if you are going to see a client or even other brokers (not when I am working from home and only on the phone).
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That, 3X, is something I believe you or, maybe, if she handles such things for you, your wife would know.

Sex drugs and politics?
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I think of the allegation that Dan Quayle was using cocaine while a US Senator. I, also, think of the allegation that when he was on a trip two female “lobbyists” accompanied him and another US Senator.
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I think of GWB refusing to take a drug test while going AWOL from the Texas Air National Guard.
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Like Gore admitted that when in graduate school he used marijuana almost every weekend for over a year, Obama admits to having tried cocaine during his college years.
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Quayle and Bush refused to answer questions about drugs and drinking.
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I, also, think of the person in charge of the MMS under dubbya using Christal Meth and taking other illicit bribes from oil companies including having sex with some of the female “lobbyists”.
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If you want to get high and sleep with a hooker, I would guess that you’d have much easier time as Republican than as a Democrat.
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Democrats resign when caught. Republicans just make excuses and keep on serving.

Maybe Quayle younger is the evil spawn of Dan and Murphy Brown.

“When you stop interaction with the reactionaries on this site, they still show their weakness by lashing out at those who ignore them. Sad.”
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Well, half of the time this reminds me of college and night school discussions after class with bright, well informed people (such as you among many others such as 53_3, Mycophile, Stuart, etc) and the other half reminds me of the second grade with loudmouths looking for a fight who just can’t get enough until they are beaten down.
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Not to be critical, but, in that one respect you do remind me of teachers who said that the second grade bullies will stop as soon as I ignore them.
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It didn’t work.
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It doesn’t work now, either.
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Although I do, basically, consider 3X one of those loud mouthed second graders who like to pull hair and kick you under the table when you sit across from them, I do believe that 3X believes that he is not like that.
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He may be teachable.
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Freeinpa is like one of those kids who live to be sent to detention. They thrive on conflict and insults.
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In my experience at age 7, beating them down is what works if the teachers (in this case the absent monitors at WordPress are Lazy Fair – note, not laissez faire – just lazy about what is and isn’t fair to bring into discussions).
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I can imagine how Sacred was at age 7: if they want to shove you and kick you, keep them laughing until they wet their pants and then they’ll stop.
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BTW: When 3X listed me not as a combatant but listed you as one, I did put in that, if you were to rate the two of us, you are far, far, far more of peacemaker non-combatant than I am.

LOL!
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His Daddy took that firm stand that fictional people should never fictionally be pregnant with a fictional child without fictionally being married.
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But I guess that The Godfather was perfectly acceptable to bring into our culture?
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If I had to pick one or the other, I would rather be the father of an unwed adult woman who is pregnant than the father of – or any other type of relative of – a criminal.

“..with three times the adult life experiences of you and 3 times the higher education then you, you are indeed a fool.”
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Because of transferring and losing one year of credit, I am just shy of five years of classes for a four year degree.
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You have four years of college and a one year MBA, but described it so poorly that it sounds like you forgot what it was in much less anything from your classes.
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We are equals if and only if Economics did not evolve and grow in the 33 years between our ages and your school was on par with Harvard.
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You are unable to do simple math in yet one other way.
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71 – 39 (my birthday was after we first started, I was 38 when we first crossed paths) = 32 (you’ll be 72 soon I guess, making that closer to 33).
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That would make you less than double my age.
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For adult life 39 -18 = 21 years of adult life I have.
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Three times 21 is 63.
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63 = 18 means that you would have to be at least 81 years old.
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Since you are no longer proficient in 4th grade math, then I can safely say that you have long forgotten what you learned in your five years of post secondary education.
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Also note: I had a double major as well, but do not, as people who have such do not, call it “two college degrees”. My double major was Economics and International Relations with several political science classes completed when I was considering a political science double major. (Almost, but not quite, enough to be a minor making that, to you, two and half college degrees worked on in over four years.)
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Don’t make a fool out of yourself, 3X.
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Keep your ego in check and recheck both your math and your facts.

Joe the Plumber?

newfree, you do realize your comparison makes no sense? See, the people april mentioned as crazies at the GOP convention were actually invited members of the party, who got a chance to speak there. One of them was actually a candidate for the party’s Presidential nomination. The ones you mentioned from the ’68 convention were not only NOT members of the party, they were there protesting AGAINST the party.

Your analogy makes about as much sense as using a fictional character, like Murphy Brown, to complain about liberals’ support of immoral pregnancies out of mention. I mean, who’d ever be dumb enough to do that?

Oops, that should have read “marriage” not “mention.”
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Had a Quayle moment…

BTW: My use of the term “beat down” in the second grade playground or when getting kicked under the table during class in the second grade was literal, in this context it would be engaging in an argument, not anything physical.
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Just as I had wished a teacher to demand that other kids not kick me under the table before they screamed when I kicked them back, I wish WordPress would limit ad hominem attacks before I send 3X, Freeinpa and Groenhagen2 crying over their keyboards.
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Maybe we could all contact WordPress and demand that they forbid ad hominem attacks, delete such arguments later and warn via email anybody who likes to frequently attack others?
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In my experience, these people love a punching bag. (In this case verbal, in the second grade physical) and their worst nightmare is a punching bag which punches them back so that taking the moral high ground without backup by wordpress is useless.

Now 3xfire3 & Patrick . . . . . .

This is starting to get personal , , , , , , , , , ,
. . . . . . . . . can’t we all just get along?

“This is starting to get personal , , , , , , , , , ,
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Compared to before, this is getting along.
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He is my best hope for the far right (Rusty, Freeinpa, Earl & 2/3rds rocks) who may choose to be civil.

I honestly can’t believe I’m surprised at this guy or his comments. I try to dismiss my irritation at those who make comments about Obama not doing enough as President when after all Bush did to destroy this country and others anyone who took this position was going to end up getting blamed for the mess.

The years it requires to repair the damage will be the effort of several presidents and only the one in office once it’s better will get the credit.

Either way, both Quayles are clearly idiot’s and obviously this one is also a liar. Trying to pretend to for public approval that you have children in the press is pathetic as is getting married right before you throw your hat in the ring. I have nothing, nothing against same sex marriage or relationships, but this guy looks anything but straight to me. He’s already proving he isn’t trustworthy. Clearly he’s made for politics.

Finally someone who calls a spade…well…a spade. The president is a terrorist and terrorist enabler. Plunging below the 40% approval rate at 18 months pretty much sums it up. Took GWB 6.5 years to get this low. Sambo – maybe they can use his photos on butter or pancake mix.

MMMCRE – “here” is an idiot. And you thought Bush, Quayle and Palin are dumb? He said this-can’t make up this kind of superfluous flummery.

“It depends on what the meaning of the word “is” is. If the -if he – if “is” means is and never has been, that is not— that is one thing. If it means there is none, that was a completely true statement.” President Clinton

But then, Time Mag “is” a cesspool for the sick, lame and lazy. Enjoy Sambo at the switch, suckers. After this November, Sambo and his Marxist crew won’t be able to pas gas, much less a bill. The days of black folk saying “gimme gimme” will be over.

MSNBC and CNN – I have more people in my zip code (NYC) than watch both stations combined. LOL as they say.