Nelson Switching Parties?

The rats are leaving maybe?

As a Democrat, all I can say to Ben Nelson is — don’t let the door hit you in the a– on the way out.

Good riddance. Him and Blanche Lincoln, don’t let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya!

On Kagan, it’s now the Parties of No.

Because one Democrat is saying no — while five Republicans are saying yes?

Groinhugger is a wingnut.
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Wingnuts don’t have to make sense, they just have to tell everybody how they can kick your ass and then do a victory dance saying that they won the argument.
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If that doesn’t work they’ll threaten you.

Hmmm.
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If becoming a Republican means that you are a rat…
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This might be the most honest thing you have ever written Ike.

Well, Obama sure better hope that Nelson doesn’t switch because there is going to be Hell to pay if Obama spent the last year crap-ifying all the Democratic legislation just to make it easier for Nelson to run as a Republican.

I don’t know whether Nebraska can be won by a more liberal Senator, but if it can’t be then Dems should toss in the towel and either drive Snowe, Collins, and Brown out or focus on getting them to switch.

In a statement released this evening, Sen. Nelson said, “I have heard concerns from Nebraskans regarding Ms. Kagan, and her lack of a judicial record makes it difficult for me to discount the concerns raised by Nebraskans, or to reach a level of comfort that these concerns are unfounded. Therefore, I will not vote to confirm Ms. Kagan’s nomination.”
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Is it odd that the Senator doesn’t actually say what the “concerns” are?

“Ms. Kagan and I may have different political philosophies, but I believe that the confirmation process should be based on qualifications, not ideological litmus tests or political affiliation. I will vote for her confirmation,” Sen. Judd Gregg (R-N.H.) said.
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Maybe Gregg will switch to the Democratic side of the aisle.

Welcome Mr Nelson. We shall gladly accept you into our ranks!!

Interesting scenario. Would Olympia Snowe join that independent caucus? If all these dominoes fall, the two ex-Republicans would probably prove more liberal than the two ex-Democrats.

While there is a high probability I will regret asking: could you explain why?
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I mean, outside of the Kagan vote, what qualities or items in his record make you a supporter of a lifelong Democrat?
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Are there any other Democrats who you feel have appropriate qualities now, that should be accepted as Republicans? If so, why?
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Thanks

Since we are talking about Ben “What’s in it for me?” Nelson, chances are he’s wanting money for something.
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Probably wants funding to build the “Earl Benjamin Nelson Memorial Highway” near his hometown of McCook.
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Let’s see how the elections go. If the Dems remain in control does the weasal Nelson want to possibly lose his assignments to the Ag and Appropriations Committees?
I wish he would defect. But, Nelson is always going to look out for number one.

Am I crazy, or isn’t he done at the end of this Congress anyway? I thought for sure he declared he wasn’t running again and his term was up. I’ll have to check over at Nate’s to see if I’m losing my gourd.

Congratulations, Jim, you’re the only commenter so far to pick up on the interesting part of my post. If you had Snowe and Collins and, who knows, maybe a couple of others, we’d have an unprecedented situation in American history.

The Independents could blow with the wind, bestowing majorities on one party and then the other. They would be enormously powerful–and, given the anti-establishment feeling abroad in the land, they might be enormously popular as well.

Joe Klein is a Sub Human peice of excrement…

http://americandaily.com/index.php/article/4113

Could you post what you find here?
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It places a whole new perspective on these developments. What is here isn’t much to cogitate over, but this would make a major difference.

Spoken like a true Nazi…

Yes a caucus of 4 would be enormously powerful.
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Changing a body that is already largely dysfunctional into a cluster (blank).
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What an exciting idea.
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I wonder where that caucus of four lands in seating on the various committees.
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Or would they remain with whatever party they belong to and then screw that party on whim?
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I mean depending how the winds blow?
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I mean principle.

53,
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Eddie is living in that alternate universe of right wing propaganda.
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In that world the Economy was great from 1980 until 2009. We didn’t cut and run from Beirut in that world. Israel is always right and always has been right. Reaganonics was a success in that world. In that world Dubbya was a successful and popular president. In that world everybody believed that Hussein had WMD. In that World Obama took over companies for fun. In that world Dubbya didn’t begin TARP, it was all Obama. In that world Dubbya went to a member of the the Illinois legislature, Barack Obama and asked him what to do about 9/11 and when Obama said to invade Afghanistan, Dubbya followed then member of the state legislature Obama’s orders and saluted.
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Eddie is the world of denial and is well fed in bulls hit by the right wing media.

How could I forget, also in that alternate universe, “Climategate” was a proven conspiracy started by Al Gore when he was 19 years old to make sure that Al could, in 2010, be a movie star and have no trouble finding a new woman after his divorce rather than a non-story proven clearly that Climate change is as real as gravity.

Ben Nelson is not a Class I Senator in my mind on his record, but as the term is used to define length of term, his term ends 2013. Don’t know if he will run for re-election, but that would be in 2012 if he does.

“Class I terms run from the beginning of the 110th Congress on January 3, 2007, to the end of the 112th Congress on January 3, 2013. Senators in Class I were elected to office in the November 2006 general election, unless they took their seat through appointment or special election.”

http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/reference/two_column_table/Class_I.htm

Thanks, Ivy.

Just wait and see when I tangle with one of those idiots on the subject of climate change.
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I’ve done it before, and haven’t done it for a while, but when I do, there will be one hell hole of a lot of facts flying…

Gregg doesn’t need to switch; he’s retiring. Good riddance to him too. Paul Hodes is going to win that seat.

“Jillian Rayfield and I spent the afternoon at Uni-Tea, which organizers billed in part as the tea party reaching out to minorities and inviting them to join the cause. Judging by the low turnout and almost completely white crowd, that goal was not achieved. ”
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http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/
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Low turnout AND almost completely white?
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Shocking.
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Also shocking, the sun will rise in the East tomorrow.

Right on Mr. Klein, time for a third party!Politicians answering to lobbyist, instead of voters, is sending America to pottersville!

I have a question.
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Why do all these Republican teabagger blogs/”news” sites have the crappiest format/design/layout and the crappiest web ads in the world?
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I can understand the poor content part – they are generally without anything of substance, a bit low on facts and mostly conspiracy theory oriented.
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But the poor format part – I don’t understand. It seems all conservative web designers out there are still still stuck in the 19th century and havent moved forward.
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Good example is Rusty’s newfreedomblog – makes me puke all over.

Yeah, if you think Nelson and Lieberman aren’t slurping on lobbyist wang then you need to start passing the peyote around.

I suspect that, if the Republicans make substantial gains in the midterm elections
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Well, I was all excited that there might be actual, you know, evidence that Nelson was leaving the party.
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But then I read that sentence and realized that this is all merely baseless rumor-mongering.
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It’s like fantasy baseball for Klein, except instead of baseball players he’s using sh*tty f@cking politicians who are bleeding the nation dry like ambulatory tapeworms.

Why do all these Republican teabagger blogs/”news” sites have the crappiest format/design/layout and the crappiest web ads in the world?
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My theory is that wingnuts have no imagination.
rusty’s imagination is restricted to images of scary Muslims, scary Hispanics, assault rifles, and Jesus, and apart from that he couldn’t imagine his way out of a paper bag placed over his head.

On the topic of Ben Nelson and his cornhusker defection to the party of wingnuts – Good riddance to bad rubbish

David Webb, an African American top official with Tea Party Federation and the man who shamed Mark Williams and the Tea Party Express for being racist a couple weeks ago, emceed the event and told the tea party crowd that it didn’t matter if only a few minorities joined the cause.
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“I didn’t realize that any movement everywhere had a minimum daily requirement of black people to be legitimate,” he said.
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He makes a lot of sense.
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http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/07/diversity-is-in-the-eyes-of-the-beholder-a-day-at-uni-tea.php?ref=fpblg

The Independents could blow with the wind.

Yes, that would be real different from today.

Dear Patrick,

You are right and I was wrong. The 9.7% unemployment and 3 Trillion in additional debt is so much better than the 4.5% unemployment under W. Ignoring the overwhelming will of the people and taking over 1/6th of the US economy was actually a good thing and Democrats will sail to victory in November.

Actually I logged back on to say that whatever I feel about Mr. Klein, calling him names was not appropriate and for that I apologize.

The Senate is bad enough as it is. Do you think a rump given to taking the direction of wind will help? I doubt it. This will elevate opportunism to a new height – or perhaps this will drop opportunism to a new low.

One tweensy problem eddie the nazi:
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That may have been true up until 2009, but the economic collapse occurred on his watch, and was cannot have been caused by anyone who came after him!
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Nice try at reverse causality, but even quantum physics isn’t that strange…

The threshold for a positive perception of diversity is inversely proportional to one’s racial intolerance…

“Just wait and see when I tangle with one of those idiots on the subject of climate change”
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You will do what you do on any subject. Rant feverishly while saying absolutely nothing. Declare you asinine opinions as facts (heretofore known as liberal facts) declare yourself the winner and proclaim how you kicked their ass and take a victory lap.

Its a nice delusional world but just like liberalism devoid of fact and substance

Dear 53_3,

What does your Handle stand for anyway? Your age_iq is what I guess. The Nazi’s were Socialist. They blended Socialism with Fascism (Government control of private industry) and racism. They killed 6 million Jews. Before you go throwing these labels around you better get a clue. Obama is an Anti-Semite, I am not. Obama supports Hamas, I do not, Obama took over GM… The Student Loan Business… and Health Care, I did not.

So who’s the Nazi?

Well hells bells eddie, you made the comment!
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I sure as hell didn’t. I’ll grant that you did own it.
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Other than that, you’re response (as well as freeinpa’s) to my point that the economic collapse occurred during Bush’s reign was answered by…
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…insults!
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I don’t mind that I’ve been insulted, my skin is thick. But I have to admit, it’s a great way to cut and run from an argument you’re losing…

“The fourth Independent, Bernie Sanders of Vermont, claims to be a socialist.”
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What a strange way to characterize Sanders’ self-identification. If it wouldn’t be too much trouble, could we get you to start using the same “claims to be” formulation for all self-described “conservatives,” “moderates,” “centrists” and “deficit-hawks”? At least Bernie walks the walk.

Oh, and freeinpa:
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I noted the other day on climate change, you pointed out opinion on a conservative think tank to counter scientific findings.
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That really doesn’t work to well.
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Oh. FYI, geology, paleoclimatology, paleontology, chemostratigraphy, biostratigraphy, climate modeling, and biocheomostratigraphic analysis are things I am at home with.
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Looong names in the trade, but very useful tools. Can you figger out what they are?
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Betcha you’re too stupid. I’d walk all over you…

Now why would you regret anything maurice? Is it simply because in the past you have been so profoundly wrong?
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With that aside, Nelson as a whole is much more conservative than his fellow progressive Democrats. He has even been more conservative on most issues than the two women from Maine have been over time, or at least like them for the most part with the exception of having a (D) after his name instead of an (R).
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Nelson also represents a very conservative part of this country, and those people in general should have their conservative voices heard. Would I like for Nelson to represent me? Absolutely not. He is very much like Lindsey Graham and John McCain. Would I vote for them over someone say like John Kerry or Barach Obama, absolutely.
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You have to consider the degree and historical voting records of the choices we are given. You have to choose between who would most likely represent how you feel about the same issues. Some are more moderate, some are so far out on the left fringes like Franken the only way they get voted into office is by playing the game of politics such as getting votes from known felons and criminals who have lost the right to cast a vote due to their crimes.
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Who else would I want? None of them, I can only hope someone more conservative will run against them in future elections, and the people see through them and cast a vote for the new man or woman.
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I would actually like to see more “Independent” voices in the Senate, that or repeal the 17th Amendment whereby they are voted into office by State Legislatures rather than by popular elections. I think Senators have been given way too much power. That the only way to control them from going rogue so to speak is to have the ability to recall them if needed by our elected representatives in the various State Houses. Anything which will return more power back to the local level is best in my mind.

@Maverick29:
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Maybe that’s because they are designed by the mentally ill while they are not in treatment?
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I noted somewhere else it looks like those crude posters the Weather Underground used to post in the ’60s.
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The only difference, besides the ugliness and total artlessness, is the fact the the Weather Underground used to spell everything that had a ‘c’ in it with a ‘k’….

BTW, eddieknoll:
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You woudn’t be 3xfire3 in disguise, would you?
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You have the same Bad Grammatical Habit of capitalizing Common Nouns.
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odd…

Come to think about it, FOX claims to be a news organization sounds like truth in reporting as well. You should pass this one around, Joe. You and your colleagues could use that little descriptive far and wide in your world and, if you used it properly, do your readers a great service.

Dear IQ 3… er 53_3,

“Well hells bells eddie, you made the comment!”

If you could read, all you would see is that I said Joe Klein was a POS (Which he is). He and his fellow Journal List Bloggers planned to call Fred Barnes a racist just to deflect criticism from Obama for the real racism he supports (e.g. Reverend Wright and Hamas).

And don’t expect me to respond to your ridiculous economic revisionism while you are calling me a Nazi. I really wish you were here in Texas so we could discuss this like men. But then you aren’t a man, are you?

Don’t let the little liberal freaks like IQ53 concern you eddieknoll. Keep on posting exactly how you are right now. One thing it drives these bat $hit crazy far left liberal extremists totally nuts.
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IQ53 as we like to call him around here is a jilted white fat bald man who is not only vindictive, but also projects his anger and hatred of his white self, and hopes someone feels sorry for him and his crazed ideas.
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This is not and I am sure not the last time he will attack someone by calling them a nazi or a racist or some other slanderous name. All in his 3rd grade name calling game he so loves to practice. Just like those 3rd graders you may have encountered on the playground once upon a time. That is as far as IQ53 has grown in his personal life. He is one of those fat kids who couldn’t compete, and today is just a miserable fat and stupid adult. He just kept his maturity level at that same old 3rd grade level.
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Isn’t that right IQ53?
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The liberal way is to put you down, call you stupid, anything to distract from the real debate which they have absolutely no clue or answers. Just simply insult them and maybe they’ll go away.

If that doesn’t work they’ll threaten you.

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Gee let’s see, someone who threatens you…..
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Sounds JUST like you patricksartor. Threaten people by saying you will put them in your crosshairs. Like the crosshairs of a gun in order to shut someone up.
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Isn’t that right patty?

Sanders is a self-described democratic socialist,[1][2] and has praised European social democracy, but because he does not belong to a formal political party, he appears as an independent on the ballot. He is the first person elected to the U.S. Senate to identify as a socialist.”

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders
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That is EXACTLY how ‘ol Bernie likes to be identified. He IS a SOCIALIST. Period. He may be the first socialist to be elected to the Senate, but he is surely not the only one. Barack HUSSEIN Obama can lay claim to being the first COMMUNIST elected to the Senate. With his historical background, both parents who were communists, his mentor Frank Marshall Davis, and a whole gaggle of other socialists who he has associated himself with his entire life to date, and continues to do so with all of his radical appointments so far.
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Why don’t you like those labels shepperdwrong? Is it scary to think America knows about those who you support and defend?

Why don’t you like those labels shepperdwrong? Is it scary to think America knows about those who you support and defend?”
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What’s scary is millions of Americans indoctrinated in crazy, racist, nativist, anti-democratic, right-wing clap trap, thinking they have a clue, and a corporate press that won’t even mention the fact that they’re functionally insane and that there’s a huge, well-funded propaganda network, pretending to be a legitimate news organization, that is driving the country to disaster. In other words, you are what is scary.

BTW, eddieknoll:
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You woudn’t be 3xfire3 in disguise, would you?
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That’s what I thought too, but eddieknoll appears to be even dumber than 3xfire.
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I love the insistence that the Nazis were socialists. Tell you what, eddie, go find us a single accredited historian or political scientist who thinks that and get back to us. (And no, chronic pants p!sser Glenn Beck doesn’t count.)

kevin:
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I like the gratuitous buttsniffing between Rusty the Racist and eddieknoll.
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Eddie is going to find out, just like Rusty has, that I am one tough customer to deal with.
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They have to resort to assumptions and not-so-subtle innuendo to try to tear me down.
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But I’m sure that eddie, if he’s not actually 3xfire3, will find that 1 guy that has 40 years experience in the Black community (that’s why they say I’m “jilted”. How stoopid!), is worth a thousand ignorant or worse white guys like Rusty who know nothing about it.
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It’ll all come out in the wash…

“Isn’t that right IQ53?”
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Well, actually, Mr. “No limits”, I’m quite happy and have enjoyed a very satisfying life.
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I have a great sense of humor, too, but I can understand why you don’t appreciate it because the more caustic aspect of it has a bad habit of ripping through your ignorant rhetoric to pierce right through that shriveled little raisin in your chest you call a “heart”.
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Patrick said it best:
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Sticks and stones will break your bones but whips and chains excite you…

Answering IQ35 (yes you habve lost IQ points) with insults is the only response. Reason and fact failed, any further efforts would only give validity to his stupidity and racism.

He needs medication not a debate forum.

So far, eddieknoll, I can say this:
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All three of you have taken turns with the insults, but like I said, my skin is thick.
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But really, the most damaging part for all of all three of your empty comments is that even now, NONE of you have yet to address the fact that the economic collapse took place during Bush’s reign.
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Thank you for defaulting me the win…

Shepherd:
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Do you mind if I make one of my less serious drive-by contributions? Hold your nose, this is intended for Rusty only:
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(_).) pppppffffffffffffffttttttttttttt flflflf flllffflll fllt fllt.
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Thank you…

as for freeinpa’s claim that I have been presented with “facts” and “reason”, I say this:
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I can’t really make a definitive judgment about where you are coming from, freeinpa, until you outline the “principles” that lead you to turn your nose up at Black conservative voters.
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Let’s see ‘em, freeinpa…

“And don’t expect me to respond to your ridiculous economic revisionism while you are calling me a Nazi. I really wish you were here in Texas so we could discuss this like men. But then you aren’t a man, are you?”
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Oh? Revision? You mean this?!?!
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late-2000s_recession
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Looky the linked references eddieknoll! You can do that by clicking on those teensy lttle nubers formatted like this:
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[20]
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Now, for the next portion of your little gem:
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You’d do well to avail yourself of your rights under the 2nd Amendment. Otherwise, it might be a very short “discussion”.
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People are soooooo tough when they are online…

I guess when you are hit right upside the head with the facts, your only reponse can’t be anything but….
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“What’s scary is millions of Americans indoctrinated in crazy, racist, nativist, anti-democratic, right-wing clap trap, thinking they have a clue, and a corporate press that won’t even mention the fact that they’re functionally insane and that there’s a huge, well-funded propaganda network, pretending to be a legitimate news organization, that is driving the country to disaster.”

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Wow, say that line all in one breath and you too will turn blue in the face and appear to be the lefty lunatic that you truly are!!
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Enjoy!!

Eddie,
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This is what happened:
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The Republican Congress in 1999 (unfortunately with Clinton’s signature) removes the very successful Glass-Stegal Act of 1933 letting banks into the far more dangerous world of finance with money insured by the FDIC.
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Mortgages go unregulated.
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The SEC is castrated by having such incompetent management that a huge portion are, instead of working, watching porn. They are keeping their hands off of business by keeping them in other places. That, of course, is such a flagrant workplace violation that you can guess that for every one person spending time on porn, there are ten people shopping online, fifteen people updating their facebook page, 20 doing online shopping and 30 people exchanging bad jokes via email.
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Fraud is beginning to topple the stock market.
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Banks are repackaging loans. So, instead of making sure that they get people who can pay them back, they are just interested in getting as many loans out to bundle as possible.
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Rating agencies are calling lending money to people who can not possibly pay back a triple A investment.
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College funds and retirement funds of unknowing individuals goes into buying these, what will be called “toxic assets”.
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With people using all of this imaginary money to buy houses they can not afford, housing prices go through the roof.
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Home equity loans, including to people who can afford it begin to happen regularly stimulating the economy with money that does not really exist since nobody who can afford to pay back a loan on it would buy a home for that much.
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2008: the foreclosures begin to add up.
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Bondholders can not sell toxic assets for mortgages on homes not worth what they paid for them.
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Retirement and college savings funds go down.
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Households need to contribute more to get the same retirement and tuition money they planned on and spend less.
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When the spending slows down, jobs are lost.
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Home prices drop now that backs can not sell mortgages of people who can not pay it back and have to rely only on people who can pay.
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Spending financed by home equity stops.
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More jobs are lost.
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It was a downward spiral going deeper and deeper and deeper.
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High spending = high employment.
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Loss of income = low household spending.
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Decreased home values = lower tax base for cities and town.
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Decreased tax base for cities and towns = lower spending and layoffs for towns.
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Obama did have a stimulus package. He underestimated (or, as Bush would say “Misunderestimated”) how bad things were getting and the number of jobs created were not as great as the number of jobs lost.
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Nobody checks daily, weekly or monthly how much their home is worth, so, there was a delay between the burst of the housing bubble and decreased spending.
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Nobody wants to layoff good workers, so their was a delay between reduced spending and layoffs.
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It occurred under Bush and fell on Obama.
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Reagan spent from 1981 until 1983 blaming Carter.
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Dubbya spent his first year blaming the dotcom bubble burst on Clinton.
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Dubbya blamed our unreadiness on Clinton for all eight years.
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Now Republicans tell us that the aftermath of Dubbya is all because of Obama?
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Where were you during the Dubbya years, a cave?

Rusty,
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I could spend a long entry explaining that there are Social Democrats who believe that the economy exists to serve the people rather than people exist to serve the economy as a general principal such that, if it serves the people well to intervene in the economy; the Socialist Workers Party who wish for full communism but by election only and no violence; and Marxist revolutionaries who wish to overthrow democracy; and that all three disagree with each other just as conservatives, libertarians and fascists all disagree with one another, but, you are unteachable.

Eddie may be the newest member, but Rusty is still the president of Swampland’s anti-DEFECATION League (not to be confused with the Anti-DEFAMATION leuage).
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The anti-defecation league is an right wing organization who do not give a crap about facts or anybody but themselves. By not giving a crap, members of the anti-defecation league are perpetually full of… [Your comments are awaiting moderation].

That would mean that my drive-by contribution was actually more relevant than I thought…

The anti-defecation league envies your butt trumpet since they can not do the same.

Sorry Rusty,
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Your inability to understand metaphors is striking.
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Here it the quote over again.
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“Thanks for irritating new rusty. It is a worthy pastime.”
So going out of your way to piss people off in the course of political discourse is a “worthy pastime”?
No wonder no one in this country can have a useful discussion anymore; everyone treats it like Tupac vs. Biggie.
sasquatch08
March 28, 2010
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Sasquatch,
Sometimes I think of this as a part of a bipartisan think tank.
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Other times I think of being like the Machine Gun Kelly for the Democrats.
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Freeinpa and Newfreedomblog are just trying p o everybody.
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After a long debate, freeinpa was offline for a week.
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He was going off about the late Senator Moynihan but didn’t know what he was talking about.
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I put back in his place.
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I think he is changing his pastime to watching old movies instead of coming up with random things about Democrats.
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Newfreedomblog/rusty is next in my cross hairs. He is either going to learn to come up with valid explanations for what he says or change his hobby to stamp collecting.
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Yesterday Newfreedomblog was trying to say that Herbert Hoover was a liberal.”

Read more: http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/03/27/obama-announces-15-recess-appointments/#ixzz0jaFcf8l4

factual farts?!?!

Clearly this guy has done extensive polling of his constituents on a wide range of issues, and clearly the good people of Nevada insist that their representative reflects their new found allegiance to Republican rather than Democrat values. So what choice did he have? I am sure he will insist on an standing down, and standing for an interim election as soon as a prime time space opens up.

Eddie! Put down the PC and pick up those Magnums! There could be Meskins out there tying to sneak up on the trailer!

@patrick:
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The cross-hairs thing is obviously overblown and not meant to be a threat. The only thing that this conversation proves is that both people on the right and the left love to make accusations of threats whenever someone uses military/gun related metaphors or symbols.
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Let’s not forget that it wasn’t so long ago that people on the left, most notably on MSNBC were making a mountain out of a molehill for Sarah Palin’s comment that she was “…not retreating I was reloading…” and her use of cross-hairs on a website to indicate which incumbent Democrats she thought were vulnerable in the upcoming election. Does ANYONE seriously believe that a religious nut like her advocates breaking the rule laid down in Exodus 20:13 “Thou Shalt Not Murder”? If you believe that you’re just as crazy as the Birthers.
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Both sides love to demagogue an issue with rhetoric of the other side being threatening or racist or sexist or guilty of some other “ism”.
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In my personal opinion this is a symptom of the wild spread of ridiculous political correctness which makes most things unintelligible and everything else maddeningly circuitous all while arming politicians, pundits and political hacks with a hatchet with which to attack anyone they don’t agree with. At some board meetings now they say “The Chair recognizes” or “The Chair speaks” because they don’t want to assign a sex to the Chair Position.
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Now call me crazy; but in my world furniture lacks both reasoning and communications skills, chairwoman or chairman is good enough and the Chair Position is part of Sex 101.

First, think of the right winger who was also a criminal and insane who got in a gunfight with police.
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http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/07/upset_about_left-wing_agenda_california_man_suspec.php
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If Palin had an influence, it would be the people who are not far from the edge of violence.
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No, a law abiding gas station owner who is an usher at his church, coaches the Little league team and is saving up to put his kids through college who is against Cap and Trade and buying health insurance for his employees has 0% risk of shooting somebody. I can agree with you on that 100%.
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It would be the ones who want an excuse to shoot people who could latch onto that and choose a congressman rather than his ex-girlfriend.
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Second, the terminology of “the chair” and so on predates Pelosi and feminism considerably. You can find references going back, if I am not mistaken, a century.
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Maybe it is used more often with Pelosi, but, it has been around since before our grandparents were wearing long pants.

Whenever I think of stories of people on the edge of homicide, I think of this song.
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I grew up in the same Town as Moby, but, since is six years older than I am, I never met him.
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No, Moby is not the type to reach for a revolver, either. He might reach for a guitar or a keyboard, but not a revolver.

Ahhh, isn’t it sweet when the two butt-brothers join together to sing their liberal songs.
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Dear Joe:

I’ve always appreciated your clever insights into American politics and global affairs. But these Swampland comment areas are a wasteland. I hope TIME pays you handsomely. Otherwise, I don’t see why you’d want to make a living writing for so many close-minded ideologues. Reading this blog just contributes to my feelings of hopelessness about our country, and it’s no longer an experience I need in my day.

Congrats, wing-nuts. You own the Swampland.

Peace,
Toastie

Joe – I’d hope that does happen. Both parties seem to be too polarized for their own good these days. Having a group of Senators holding the balance of power who actually vote on the issues rather than their brand would be a wonderful jolt to the Senate.
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People keep talking about the emergence of the Tea Party as a force in politics, but the world doesn’t need a splinter off of the far right (or left) of a party.
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If there’s ever to be a viable third party, I imagine it will come from the centrists who are sick of the extreme fringes of their own parties and band together.
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Maybe, hopefully, this is the start of that.

Here is a summary of an article by Curtis Frantz that does a pretty good job of defining Liberals and their Personalities.
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Enjoy
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The Unhealthy Motivations of Liberals
By Curtis Frantz

Liberals are those who would use government to reduce the freedoms of some people to provide benefits for others. Liberals argue for fairness and equality for all people, but neither is possible. Other than identical twins, all people are genetically different, and without exception, each has unique life experiences that are interpreted differently. We are necessarily and naturally unequal in a worldly sense. (If “all men are created equal” in a Godly sense, nothing more needs to be done to ensure it.) Liberals, Progressives, Socialists, Fascists, Communists, and Statists seek similar means to the same end. They want control of an expansive, intrusive government using taxation, regulation, and takeover of private property and businesses to achieve an earthly equality — an equality that is unnatural, unhealthy, and unattainable. This irrational political ideology is rooted in psychological shortcomings.

The U.S. Constitution correctly identifies the purpose of government as protecting the freedoms of its people. Being free is the natural state of all people. Soldiers risk their lives and die fighting for freedom…not equality. The Statue of Liberty welcomes those “yearning to breathe free.”

Liberals having an internalized sense of being less than others drives a desire for equality. The liberal’s internal motivation is: “If we are all the same, I can’t be less.” From a practical perspective, making people or situations equal involves punishing the successful; which can be a welcome expression of jealous anger for those with low self-esteem.

Having low self-esteem makes freedom something to fear. Freedom means being free to succeed or fail. For those with a low sense of self, the expectation is that one’s failure is inevitable. Freedom is not desirable under those conditions.

Liberals’ personal problems become a societal problem when liberals try to address them by requiring changes to the lives of others. They seek a government with extensive power and reach that can limit freedoms and penalize success so that we seem to be more equal. It’s as if I were to address a problem of poor posture by requiring everyone else to slouch. The adequacy of self-love or self-esteem one has is not determined by comparison to others. It is not measured by net worth, which government can adjust. Whether one has healthy levels of self-love and self-esteem is determined by personal physiology and psychology. No matter how much government can disrupt the lives of its citizens, it cannot make anyone love or esteem themselves more or make anyone happy.

Given their motivations, statements, and actions, liberal politicians and their supporters can be understood through awareness of the common characteristics of those with a low sense of self.

Liberal’s Low Sense of Self Characteristics
• Takes disagreements as personal affronts, seeks revenge
• Feels a victim, Largely powerless
• Inability to accept criticism
• Arrogant and boastful Cool, detached, aloof
• Denies mistakes and blames others
• Breaks agreements, violates professed standards, hypocritical
• Performs poorly in pressure situations
• Projects own inadequacies and motives onto others
• Jealous and envious of others, especially those perceived as having a high sense of self worth
• Fear of or hostility towards others, blaming others for own inner state
• Seeks control and power over others
• Outwardly aggressive or passively aggressive
• Discards people when they become a personal liability
• Closed-minded, unwilling to accept new ideas
• Tends to have addictions — they serve as personal distractions
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Collectively Liberals, long for a greater sense of self and strive to attain it by achieving equality among people using the power of an ever-growing government and irrational arguments (for equality and against freedom) that they find emotionally compelling.

Well, not so certain what I could have been “profoundly wrong about” on this site, as there is very little I would state here from the vantage of being an expert on the issue, but /meh.
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At any rate, thanks for the response. I sifted that down to: if you have to choose between him and another, you choose him, but outside of that no, and no other democrat either. That’s fair. That seems to be the trap of American politics in a nutshell anyway. The lesser of two evils that makes you “feel better”.
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Doesn’t make me feel any better typin’ it, tell ya that much.

On average liberals have more education and earn more than conservatives and, therefore, are not the ones slouching, but, the ones standing up straight looking for a way to help slouchers.
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All in all, this is a random attack on everybody to the left of America’s conservatives meaning both a majority of America and the majority of all developed countries.
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All in all, it would take me about an hour to go over point by point how you are projecting, but, I just am not going to invest the time.
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You, obviously, have come into a situation with preconceived notions and stubbornly hold onto them.

Patrick,
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I did not write the article. It was written by Curtis Frantz, but if the “shoe fits” by all means you should wear it.
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I must admit that after reading hundreds of Liberal posts on this site, the article seems quite accurate in describing Liberals.
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By the way as you know, Liberals only make up 20% of the US population and I suspect by next year it will be no more than 15% at best.
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You now need to go back to your dream world where there is no reality to worry about.

“All in all, this is a random attack on everybody to the left of America’s Conservatives”
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I missed this statement on my first read.
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Patrick. You don’t honestly believe that.
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It is not an attack on anyone. It is Curtis Frantz discription of the 20% of Americans that are Liberals.
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You sure get confussed easily. The article has nothing to do with the “vast majority of Americans” who are a good deal more mentally stable then most Liberals.
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You should reread Frantz’s article. It really fits you and most swampland Liberals to a tee.

Obviously we’ve never met.
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I did send you the psychological study of conservatives and liberals done by psychologists in a clinical setting.
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If getting off out pilot to adjust to knew things being difficult is a symptom of conservatives – as the study suggests – and being easy making you liberal… damn am I liberal.
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As far as this article goes I have no idea where he gets his information.
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I couldn’t find him online. The closest things I could find in terms of a biography was a finance professor with a linkedin profile and a like Wayne Curtis Franz is a convicted sex offender.
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Obviously it is neither of them.
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53% of Americans voted for Barack Obama.
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If Obama, to you, is a liberal (a very strong argument – one which I support – would call him a middle of the road centrists) then 53% of Americans are liberal.
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“It really fits you and most swampland Liberals to a tee.”
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“• Performs poorly in pressure situations”
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From what you know about me, you know that this one is 180 degrees the opposite of me.
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“3. Taxi Driver

Stress Rank: 198
Stress Score: 100.491
Unemployment: 14%+
Hours Per Day: 9.5
Time Pressure: Moderate
Competition: Moderate

“Taxi drivers generally work erratic hours, including late nights and weekends. High speed driving in traffic, especially in major cities, is quite dangerous, and they frequently drive in bad weather conditions as well. In addition, taxi drivers are confined to their vehicle all day with a supply of cash, making them vulnerable to criminals,” says CareerCast.com.”
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http://finance.yahoo.com/career-work/article/109379/americas-most-stressful-jobs-2010?mod=career-worklife_balance
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I spent from ages 20 to 25 as a Boston taxi driver and from ages 34 to 36 as a New York City taxi driver. It’s the third most stressful job. During my interview the interviewer was mildly irritated when I told her that i would find the NYPD relatively a relaxing kind of a job since the paycheck arrive like clockwork and a vast majority of the days are 8 rather than 12 hours for cops. Cops came in at number 5.
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“• Arrogant and boastful Cool, detached, aloof”
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Telling you the fact that I spent seven years of my life in those jobs (as I had before) is the antithesis of boastful.
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Now there is a contradiction, too.
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“• Outwardly aggressive or passively aggressive”
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How can you be aggressive or passionately agressive when cool, detached and aloof?
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What you have here, 3X, is a slandering of an entire POV by it’s opposing point of view.
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What you are doing is the equivalent to taking a KKK cartoon and presenting it to a black person.
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How if I do not believe that you are racist.
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Well, first, let me remind you that I am using a metaphor.
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KKK is a group who hates black people. This author, who has not even pretended to find this information outside of his own imagination is a man who hates liberals.
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So, you do this and then expect my respect.
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I have this strange suspicious that there is some innocence in you that you do not really self reflect and are just unaware and ignorant rather than just confrontational like freeinpa.
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You come to us and define for us what conservatives are and can feel free to put that in a flattering light if that is how you see it. From there, you ask self identified liberals who we are. You do not tell us who we are based upon some random article written by a person with no academic credentials and expect it be flattering.

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This set, possibly knowingly, are highly similar to the DSM V’s definition of anti-social personality:
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• Takes disagreements as personal affronts, seeks revenge
• Breaks agreements, violates professed standards, hypocritical
• Fear of or hostility towards others, blaming others for own inner state
• Seeks control and power over others
• Outwardly aggressive or passively aggressive• Tends to have addictions — they serve as personal distractions
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Antisocial personalities are also known as criminal personalities.
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These are characteristics of, if I am not mistaken, an avoidant personality.
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• Inability to accept criticism
• Feels a victim, Largely powerless
• Performs poorly in pressure situations
• Projects own inadequacies and motives onto others
• Jealous and envious of others, especially those perceived as having a high sense of self worth
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For different reasons, you wouldn’t want to have anything to do with either of these types of people but it does not coexist in the same person in this way because it is contradictory. For example, the last person you would want to be in a foxhole with is somebody with avoidant personality disorder but, as difficult as an antisocial personality is, in wartime, these guys (it is primarily male) are extremely heroic and the least prone to Post-traumatic Stress Syndrome.