Classic Weiner

Absolutely the best take on the GOP I have heard!
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We need more like that. If you believe no, vote no. If yes vote yes. Simple.

What’s the context?
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What is the legislation?

It got even better when he appeared with Peter King on Fox News:

This was over a vote to provide medical care to 9/11 first responders. You know, really controversial stuff.

Greg Sargent had a good post on this video this morning:
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http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/07/anthony_weiners_rant_captures.html
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Here’s the takeaway:

I’m not saying that Weiner isn’t right on the issue, or that he shouldn’t show passion about it. That’s all good. All I’m saying is that raging against successful Republican efforts to block individual Dem initiatives isn’t enough. Raging about GOP obstructionism in general isn’t enough, either. The point is that Dems need to build an effective larger case that transcends individual issues and reckons more directly with the strategy underlying all the GOP obstructionism. That’s all I’m saying.

I think that is the “effective larger case”. One of many…

I love this guy. May not always like his ideas, but he’s got a passion that extends beyond his own career.
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We need this from every representative.

There are some great websites out there that report the news. Try http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com or http://www.washingtonmonthly.com.
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I thought we came here to learn what the latest conventional wisdom is, not to learn about what’s going on in the world. Though I see the #1 post right now is that Ellen is leaving Idol, which I admit I had not known.

And what’s the reason for the outrage?

“The bill would spend $3.2 billion on health care over the next 10 years for people sickened from their exposure to the toxic smoke and debris of the shattered World Trade Center. It would spend another $4.2 billion to compensate victims over that span, and make another $4.2 billion in compensation available for the next 11 years.

‘This legislation as written creates a huge $8.4 billion slush fund paid by taxpayers that is open to abuse, fraud and waste,’ said Rep. Lamar Smith (R-Texas), arguing that it would be raided by undeserving scammers with tenuous links to 9/11.[...]

Texas Republican Joe Barton, leading debate for his side, said the GOP would back a smaller program, such as the $150 million a year the White House would like to spend. But he said the rest of the country should not bear the brunt of helping New Yorkers cope with the aftermath of the terror attacks.

‘We support it, without raising taxes on the rest of the American people,’ said Barton (R-Texas), who recently won infamy by apologizing to BP.

The measure is paid for by closing tax loopholes on foreign subsidiaries that do business in the United States, which the GOP also opposed, saying it was a tax hike on foreign companies that hire Americans.

Democrats would have been able to pass the bill if they used the normal procedure, but they brought it up as a ‘suspension bill,’ which needs a two-thirds vote to pass because it can’t be amended. Democrats feared the GOP would attach poison pills to the bill.”

Thanks ottoman88.
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I got the gist of the rant just didn’t know the bill.

Y’mean #2 *wasn’t* the other judge getting kicked off?

OT- Poll: Reid and Angle in dead heat:

“The Mason-Dixon poll for the Las Vegas Review-Journal and KLAS-TV (Channel *) was conducted July 26-28, with 625 Nevada voters questioned by telephone. The survey’s overall sampling error is plus or minus four percentage points.”
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The smiley face came with the quote BTW (although I’m sure they meant to say Channel Eight).

One of my most favorite sites.
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http://www.weinerfacts.com/weiner/

I thought Reid was leading in the polls the other week?
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Hmmmm………..Bubye Harry. Hasta la vista, baby!!
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Sargent is 1000% wrong on this. Calmly pooh-poohing the GOPs obstuctionist tactics, as Obama and Reid do, makes you look weak, pathetic and stupid.
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Apparently it takes a Weiner to bring some balls to the U.S. Congress.
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If your opponents are doing something f—ed up, get up and dare them to do it openly. And if it should make you angry, for the love of God, get angry!

Carolyn Maloney, my Rep, co-sponsored this.

H.R.1638, The James Zadroga 9/11 Health and Compensation Act
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Introduced by Reps. Carolyn B. Maloney and Vito Fossella
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Named after New York Police Detective and 9/11 responder James Zadroga, whose death was among the first
attributed to the toxins of Ground Zero, this bill continues, expands, and improves the federal government’s
response to the health effects of the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 by providing for long-term medical
monitoring, treatment, compensation, research and coordination.

This is a PDF of the text of the bill http://maloney.house.gov/documents/911recovery/20070322_HR1638_summary.pdf
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Barton says “the rest of the country should not bear the brunt of helping New Yorkers cope with the aftermath of the terror attacks”?
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He will come to regret that advocacy.

Although I don’t want to see the US House of Representatives turn into the English House of Commons, I don’t like how most members of congress are overly polite no matter how important the issue is.

I am so proud of my congressman!

Tell it like it is, Anthony! Speak up! You are speaking for your voters when you speak that way.

Somebody, somewhere has to call out the Republicans on all of their talk about “our heroes” while the Democrats from the districts where people were injured and killed are voting for funding to help these people while the Republicans call them heroes and then ignore them.

Damn, it’s great to have a six foot tall Wiener.

Don’t start toasting yet. It’s one poll with several weeks to go.
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Surely you can’t endorse Angle’s tactics unless you LIKE to call press conferences and then run away from them…who am I kidding, you do indeed.

I love how somebody who supports the party against immigration shows us a clip of an Austrian speaking Spanish.

If it weren’t for immigration, we’d have somebody more like Owen Wilson saying “See ya dude!”

That wouldn’t have been as cool.

Actually, with a 56 to 41 edge, I think the dems would win in a fistfight…

“The bill would spend $3.2 billion on health care over the next 10 years for people sickened from their exposure to the toxic smoke and debris of the shattered World Trade Center.”

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But I thought there wasn’t a problem!
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“I’m glad to reassure the people of New York that their air is safe to breathe.”
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Christine Todd Whitman September 18, 2001

Sargent seems to forget that “an effective larger case that transcends individual issues and reckons more directly with the strategy” can’t be made when the leadership of the Democratic Party has committed themselves to rhetoric and ideology that posits the problem is “the two sides bickering in Washington, while the peoples’ problems remain unsolved.”
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As long as Obama has to live down his magic unity fairy pony rhetoric in the national press corps, there can’t be “an effective larger case.” Who would make it?
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Remember this criticism some of us (who voted for Obama in the primaries) were making back in 2007?
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http://s79.photobucket.com/albums/j125/sarahfdavis/?action=view&current=ObamaUnityCheer.flv

Woops. Even worse. This is the House. My mistake, same outcome…

Actually, I think maybe you’ve hit on a great way to govern:
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We vote for the politicos, and the outcome of fistfights is how we pass bills.
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Yes, I know. Comical but unworkable…

Repubs would obviously bring guns to a fistfight.

Oh, noes!
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Voter intimidation?

Making fun of someone’s name? Are Republicans serious at all? You realize there a Republican senator named Crapo.
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Sheesh. No wonder the debate is so abysmal.

Just imagine, though:
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Instead of checking up on their pasts, and scrutifying virtually every aspect of their past, we’d be asking things like:
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How old is he? What does his right look like? Is he fast enough on his feet? Can he take a punch?
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*he —-> he or she

“My own reasons for speaking out on this issue are fairly simple. I didn’t choose it; it chose me. Upon being hired to act the part of a post-9/11 NYC firefighter on Rescue Me, my research for the character led me to take a more objective look at what actually happened versus what we were told in the wake of the event. Nothing added up. No matter from which angle I approached 911, it invariably unraveled into contradictions and inconsistencies requiring the suspension of my logic and common sense in addition to several laws of physics. Slowly I came to the determination that I had no choice but to speak out, because (as Franco Rivera) I presume to represent the memories of the heroes who died that day, as well as the reality of the heroes who still mourn their loss. I work with these men; looking them daily in the eye. Therefore it is a citizen’s act of moral conscience and social responsibility, nothing more. To know or even to merely suspect, and yet remain silent, would be anti-American, unpatriotic, and tantamount to betrayal. Therefore this is no stunt on my part to gain publicity or to garner attention for myself by appearing edgy and controversial. Believe it or not, I rather covet my relative anonymity as a quasi-celebrity/working actor. I would much rather direct media and public attention to those most credible dissenting experts who have looked at and analyzed the facts (circumstantial as well as forensic) and found that they do not fit the government’s theory of conspiracy. People like Professor Emeritus David Ray Griffin, Richard Gage (AIA), Physics Professor Steven Jones (co-author of the above mentioned peer reviewed study proving that explosives were in fact used to implode the WTC towers as well as WTC 7), William Christison (former CIA Station Chief and Director of Regional and Political Analysis), Ray McGovern (27 year CIA vet., and former Chair of National Intelligence Estimates), Coleen Rowley (former F.B.I. Special Agent and Minneapolis Division Counsel), and Sibel Edmonds must be given fair and open forums on mainstream media platforms, as well as access to those with the power and responsibility to reopen the 9/11 investigation; or rather, to finally conduct one as the case may be. Until that happens we will not be silent. We will not go away. We will not submit.”

- Daniel Sunjata

http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2009/05/05/we-will-not-submit/

It would be like a fantasy draft. Height, reach, age, past performance, etc. etc.

“As long as Obama has to live down his magic unity fairy pony rhetoric in the national press corps, there can’t be “an effective larger case.” Who would make it?”
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Very well put. He can’t make the case against “conservatism” for fear of being seen as a too liberal and can’t make the case against “conservatives” for fear of being seen as too partisan. I guess it’s up to people like Anthony Weiner, Alan Grayson and Bernie Sanders to make the effective larger case.

PS, his complexion is not brown enough so in Rusty’s world he’s exempt from ridicule.

“…Physics Professor Steven Jones (co-author of the above mentioned peer reviewed study proving that explosives were in fact used to implode the WTC towers as well as WTC 7)…”
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Conspiracy Theory #43,281.

Or should I say neither the Governator nor Owen

The GOP uses *specifics* not generalities to try to peddle their snake-oil:
- Flag-burning amendments
- Defense of Marriage Acts
- 10 Commandments Statues
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Or, the “Contractor Rape Amendment” that Sen. Franken proposed. It died with barely any fireworks. Sad.
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Bully for Weiner, I say.

Juvenile puns about a guys last name?
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Yeah, Rusty, no surprise that’s one of your faves. That’s actually high-brow for you.

“I’ll yield to Senator Mike Tyson – and run away.”

The MMR just flew by today. Wha’ happened?

The looney left is out in full volume today high fiving each other over a bill Repubs should not have contested that the Demos could have passed without them (as other bills they forced on the public) But it certainly was entertaining to see Weiner having a hissy fit. The only thing missing was stomping his feet and hitting King with his purse.

But going on about a political point allow te media and the nut jobs here from dealing with:
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Left wing activist Mary Frances Berry sending an email acknowledging that the Demos strategy of labeling the Tea Party as racist is bogus but effective
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or the report from the Center of Public Integrity reports the governments response to the Platform collapse was late and the government may have been responsible for the severity of the spill.

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or the WH plotting an amnesty program and avoiding Congress
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or Leahy denying an investigation in to the New Black Panther problem and the DOJ (Wonder why they keep running from this)

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or the Union Pension taxpayer bailout of $165 billion which I am sure Weiner will insist be a separate bill and an up and down vote.

“…Leahy denying an investigation in to the New Black Panther problem and the DOJ (Wonder why they keep running from this)”
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Wonder why you keep MSU….
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http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2010/jul/23/bill-oreilly-vs-new-black-panther-party/

“I yield to . . .” [ducks] “. . . I yield to . . .” [sidesteps] “. . . D@mnit, I’m yielding as fast as I can!” [clotheslined by opposing Senator].

“The only thing missing was stomping his feet and hitting King with his purse.”
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Coming from the same people who stomp and scream and piss their pants at the “community organizer” Obama, a couple of African American nutjobs with a stick, a Muslim Community Center in Manhattan and scary liberals (as if) cramming stuff down their throats, that’s pretty funny.

“labeling the Tea Party as racist is bogus”
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No, its not.
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http://contexts.org/socimages/2010/07/29/tea-party-comix-interpretations-and-intent/

Nothing racist here, please move along.
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http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/files/2010/04/tea-party-racist-signs-07-white-slavery2.jpg

Go Weiner, Sanders, Franken, Grayson. Tell it loud and clear!

tl;dr

Gotta love the passion, regardless of the politics (though I don’t see what could be controversial about this bill…though maybe I’m just underestimating partisan pettiness) But what I like most is his refusal to do all the petty, pretend politeness which I (and I suspect many others) find excruciating. Sometimes, you just gotta tell it like it is.

Thanks Jay, comedy gold with that title for the post.

Pretty flimsy momo. Keep digging.

“Barton says “the rest of the country should not bear the brunt of helping New Yorkers cope with the aftermath of the terror attacks”?”

Does this mean that we should let the coastal states pay for their own hurricane clean-ups rather than the Coast Guard and active and reserve military and emergency federal funding? He needs to be careful, some of the Republican governors along the Gulf might not like his “go it alone” attitude.

I notice that Jindal wanted the guard nationalized so he wouldn’t have to pay for it out of the state budget for the oil spill clean-up and then complained that they weren’t all called up.

“…the Demos strategy of labeling the Tea Party as racist is bogus but effective…”
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Rather than blame Democrats, maybe you people should just STFU. Then you won’t risk outting yourself:

Of the nine (9) questions examined, there were only two instances in which the distance separating true believers from middle-of-the-roaders fell below 10 percentage points. On whether or not “…blacks have gotten les than they deserve,” the difference was 9 points, where true believers were more likely to disagree, and on whether “…you favor…laws to protect homosexuals against job discrimination,” where 4 points separated true believers from middle-of-the-roaders. The greatest differences emerge with questions tapping blacks, like other racial minorities, should work their way up “without any special favors,” and whether or not “gay or lesbian couples should be allowed to legally adopt.” In the first instance, true believers outpace those in the middle by 21 percentage points. In the second instance, support for gay rights, the gap separating the middle from true believers is 20 points, where the middle was more sympathetic. Overall, the average distance separating respective levels of tea party support, across various marginalized groups, after rounding, is 17% for blacks, 12% for immigrants, and 13% for gay rights, respectively.

http://depts.washington.edu/uwiser/racepolitics.html
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Asked to volunteer what they don’t like about Mr. Obama, the top answer, offered by 19 percent of Tea Party supporters, was that they just don’t like him.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20002529-503544.html

“But it certainly was entertaining to see Weiner having a hissy fit.”

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Hey, some Republicans make their entire career of having hissy fits.

Mr Rod “Rusty” Burket making fun of a Jewish last name. What else is new?
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The other day, another wingnut was making fun of Jon Stewart’s Jewish last name.
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Rusty, we now know where you stand – You are anti-black, anti-hispanic, anti-semite. Did I miss anything? oh.. anti-muslim too.

Hit the jackpot- left loons out in full froth!

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“labeling the Tea Party as racist is bogus”
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No, its not

MoronMom you missed saying nananboo boo at the end before you stomp off

The left keeps trying including the frame up job with the black Congressman who tried to incite and failed a racist rumpus. Notice how fast that died and the racists was again the left.
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“Rather than blame Democrats, maybe you people should just STFU”

Or what? you going to come hit me with your purse? Reality is such a bite for the left

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And finally we have the failure poster boy putting in his 2 cents. Nothing of substance but again reality sucks for liberals.
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Hell!
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I nominate Conrad Dobler for Senate!

Keep trying freeinpa. You are really winning this argument with all those invectives in 14.8.
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Why don’t you quit while your fingers are still brown…

Maverick:
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Rusty’s motto is:
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NO limits!