In the Arena

Democrats Are Different

It’s hard to imagine two prominent Republican pollsters slagging a sitting Republican President. And yet here we have Pat Caddell, who gave Jimmy Carter to the world, and Doug Schoen, who helped salvage a second term for Bill Clinton, disgorging an incendiary and outrageous argument against Barack Obama on the Wall Street Journal’s op-ed page. (Actually, both Caddell and Schoen are more emeritus than active when it comes to polling, but no matter.)

The argument is that Barack Obama is divisive. One reason he is divisive, they say, is that he supports immigration reform. George W. Bush supported immigration reform. The Wall Street Journal editorial page has supported immigration reform. Plenty of enlightened Republicans do–for moral reasons and, in the case of the Journal, for valid economic reasons. But Obama supports it–they aver, with zero evidence–solely for political reasons. He wants to gin up the Latino vote. One wonders–and I know I’m going out on a real limb here–if it is possible that the President supports immigration reform because it is the right thing to do. Caddell and Schoen don’t even mention the possibility.

Another reason Obama is divisive is because his Justice Department hasn’t paid sufficient attention to the New Black Panther Party case. You remember the New Black Panther Party, right? No? I can’t imagine why. They were the jerks who dressed up in camouflage fatigues and looked threatening at a Philadelphia polling station on election day in 2008. One of them brandished a billy club, but didn’t use it. Somehow the Republicans have decided this act of street theater is a major threat to democracy as we know it–well, actually no: the Republicans are hoping that they’ll be able to tar the President as a crypto-black-racist. This has been a regular entry in the Republican playbook since Richard Nixon’s southern strategy. Abigail Thernstrom, a George W. Bush nominee to the Civil Rights Commission, has pretty much said the case was hogwash. The idea that two putative Democrats would give it any credibility at all discredits them entirely.

Then they claim that the President has played the class warfare card by calling out the wealthy–like the bankers who raped the economy and British Petroleum, which pillaged the Gulf. Actually, I’d say the President has underplayed the depredations of the oligarchs (who probably represent some of Caddell and Schoen’s corporate clients). I would have preferred less regulation and more taxation–of financial derivatives, for example–in the recent Regulatory Reform bill.

Indeed, the idea of Obama as populist bomb-thrower seems entirely at variance with the reality of the man…as does the idea of Obama as crypto-racist, as does the idea of Obama as overly political (to the dismay of many, if not most, Democrats).

Caddell and Schoen do make one valid point, though: Obama did jump the gun when he blamed Cambridge police racism for the shouting match with the jet-lagged Henry Louis Gates Jr. last summer. This is what is known in the trade as…a mistake. Bill Clinton–or anyone who knows Skip Gates, who seems preternaturally mild-mannered when not jet-lagged–might have screwed up similarly. The President, extremist radical that he is, tried to make up for his mistake by inviting Gates and the cop over for a very famous beer.

One wonders why Caddell and Schoen have taken this cheesy route. One doesn’t wonder too hard, however. The words “free” and “publicity” come to mind. Dick Morris has made a late-in-life living off of this sort of swill. But it’s sad: I’ve enjoyed and learned a lot from conversations with both Caddell and Schoen. Their op-ed does far more damage to the authors than to the President.

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  • ilikechips

    How dare anybody write anything negative or criticizing Obama! what a shill for Obama you are. Everybody knows this.

    Did you run your defense of him by all your fellow liberals on Journolist??

  • 53_3

    Joe:
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    Exactly spot on…

  • nflfoghorn

    Criticism without knowledge is like sex without protection…we’re stuck with something that we didn’t plan for.

  • Paul-no not that one

    Yes this is shocking coming from “Democrat” Caddell
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    * Al Gore lacks character! (December 2000): “We took [character] out of the equation in ’92. The American people will never again take it out of the equation. Character matters. And in this kind of election, it matters a lot. And Bush has won that election”
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    * Going after Lieberman will destroy the party! (August 2006): “And this is my concern, is that if Joe Lieberman loses Tuesday — and I hope… he doesn’t, but I’ve felt badly about this ever since The New York Times went off the deep end and endorsed Lamont. But I’ll tell you, I think if he loses you’re going to empower what I call the real fringe of this party who are going to believe that they’ve been right all along and they are going to start setting litmus tests for everybody. A month ago, [there were] nine votes for pulling out (of Iraq) with a set timetable next year. You know the demand is going to be that position of the Democratic Party or else. That’s what we’re looking at here, this is kind of madness. The country’s going to look at us and say, “What are you doing?”
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    * The Democrats can’t win back Congress by criticizing the Iraq war! (September 2006): “Remember in ’04, I kept saying to my party….’Get away from this National Guard thing. Stop doing this!’ I’m telling you right now, the movement on the war on terror in Iraq have moved substantially, and I’ve just finished 40 hours of analysis on this. It’s amazing. This is — I don’t think that’s the issue the Democrats ought to be campaigning on, frankly. I don’t care how many NIE reports come out.”
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    * Leave George W. Bush alone! (October 2004): “Let me tell you something. I have said over and over…that this Michael Moorism, this hate stuff, this almost thuggery on the part of the sort of people that were brought into the [John Kerry] campaign, you know, sort of attacking Bush so personally was backfiring. I said this last week it was a mistake. It drives — particularly when the president’s personally popular as an individual but has problems. And they can’t — they’ve let themselves be dominated by that, because they think that’s the next gimmick.”

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    http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2010/03/12/caddell_democratic_saboteur

  • husein11

    Chips, you don’t have to ask that question. As he has written before, Joe was on the phone and computer last night, like every night, with the rest of the 19 year old Upper West Side liberal Journolist “journalists” laughing, chatting and tweeting about his next article.

  • charlieromeobravo

    “Indeed, the idea of Obama as populist bomb-thrower seems entirely at variance with the reality of the man…”
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    Too true. My head spins at the way conservatives react to Obama. It seems that the more mild and innocuously he behaves the more they seem inclined to label him as radical and divisive. It’s especially amusing considering that the country got an 8 year long lesson on what divisiveness looks like from Bush and Cheney.

  • kristiia

    Joe – These are Fox News Democrats which means they really are barely Democrats at all and their most important characteristic is their willingness to trash/distort all Democratic ideas and all other Democrats – especially prominent ones like President Obama.

  • stuartzechman

    Joe Klein:
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    Are you just getting around to this?
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    Everybody knows that Pat Caddell is a Fox News Democrat!
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  • jsfox

    Criticism based on hollow and false arguments is not criticism it is ideological BS.

    “Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do.”

    Ben Franklin

  • m0mentom0ri

    Chippy is like Rusty, but without substance.

  • http://elvisberg.wordpress.com Elvis Elvisberg

    Nice work, Paul-NNTO.
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    I blame the death grip of fact-free, instinctively capitulationist centrism in certain quarters in the Democratic Party.
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    Also, JK wrote, “The idea that two putative Democrats would give it any credibility at all discredits them entirely.” Fair enough, but I’d put it that “The idea that any two people would give it any credibility at all discredits them entirely.”
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    After hundreds of hours of testimony, we have discovered ZERO (0) people who felt intimidated to exercise their right to vote by these two loons. Thernstrom points out that “this section of the act has been litigated so rarely that there are no clear legal standards at all,” and ” there have been only three successful prosecutions of voter intimidation under Section 11 (b).” But hey, what good is sound judgment on use of taxpayer funds when we could be using them to put black people in jail!
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    This nothing incident has taken on such a life of its own simply because conservatives think that black people are scary. (Yes, there’s also the cynical Southern Strategy angle, but the fear/loathing from Fox and the GOP may in fact be genuine).

  • formerlyjames

    Couldn’t be better put.

  • nflfoghorn

    …with a disposition similar to J. Snidely Whiplash.

  • stuartzechman

    I blame the death grip of fact-free, instinctively capitulationist centrism in certain quarters in the Democratic Party.
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    I don’t.
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    No, wait!
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    Of course I do!
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    I just don’t feel like myself, today, apparently.

  • nflfoghorn

    Then, on the evolutionary scale, how low is Chippy??

  • newfreedomblog

    I guess the once and powerful, Journolister jumping jack Joe Klein disagrees with other Democrat Opinionists. Would it be that they are not just SHILLS for Obama that upsets you Joe?
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    Imagine that!!
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    The beauty of all the shills like Joe Klein is that you can completely discredit them easily.
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    Joe says:
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    Another reason Obama is divisive is because his Justice Department hasn’t paid sufficient attention to the New Black Panther Party case. You remember the New Black Panther Party, right? No? I can’t imagine why. They were the jerks who dressed up in camouflage fatigues and looked threatening at a Philadelphia polling station on election day in 2008. One of them brandished a billy club, but didn’t use it. Somehow the Republicans have decided this act of street theater is a major threat to democracy as we know it–well, actually no: the Republicans are hoping that they’ll be able to tar the President as a crypto-black-racist. This has been a regular entry in the Republican playbook since Richard Nixon’s southern strategy. Abigail Thernstrom, a George W. Bush nominee to the Civil Rights Commission, has pretty much said the case was hogwash.”

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    Well dear little Joey. For starters your source Ms Thernstrom seems to be in some kind of pi$$ing contest with the other members of the Civil Rights Commission, and has been proven to be railing against the other members due to some “scheduling” conflict. So in order to make her other commission members look bad, she has used the Black Panther case as a tool to discredit the rest of the commission members. More like that axe she has to grind about a totally different problem in her life, but she craps all over everything else to get back at them.
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    Isn’t that right Joe Klein?
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    The only witness who has testified before the Commission that Thernstrom seems to credit is the witness who had absolutely no involvement in the NBPP case: Thernstrom gives deference to the testimony of the head of the Civil Rights Division. That’s fine, even though he did not even assume his office until six months after the case had been dismissed. In contrast, Thernstrom dismisses the testimony of witnesses who were actually present at the polling place, expert witnesses who have been involved in voting-rights cases, and several former DOJ attorneys who corroborated important aspects of the testimony of J. Christian Adams.

    The Commission investigation proceeds. A final report will be issued in the next few months. At that time, individual members of the public can make their own determinations as to whether the NBPP matter is “small potatoes.”

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    http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZDAzYTUzNzJkYzkwYzM3YmQ5Y2U5YWUzOGYzNjI4ODA=
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    Yea, it is just “small potatoes” to folks like Klein who also has his axe to grind, and for the likes of Thernstrom. Her axe of course is obvious once you read the entire context of her rebuttal to the other members.
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    Joe Klein’s “small potatoes” is that he is just a SHILL for the left, so obvious in how he reports or in his case as he claims opinionates on anything. But then we can’t expect anything more from the likes of the conniving and conspiring liberal types like Joe Klein. You will always get a distorted truth where he is concerned.
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    Klein and the rest of his ilk do not see a problem with performance art. It’s not as if the Black Panther kook USED the billy club or not on anyone. He was just there peacefully minding his own business. Just performance art is all it was for all the various Joe Kleins. Not that this same individual in previous occassions with his bull horn was shouting out racist slurs. Advocating for the death of white people. No, it is just performance art for the Joe Kleins. Nothing more to see here folks. Just people who can’t see the difference between performance art and the real voter intimidation as it actually was.
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    Come to the 8/28 Glenn Beck Rally at the Lincoln Memorial, Joe Klein. I want to personally show you some performance art. I think you may even enjoy it!!

  • square1

    LOL! Is this the first time that Joe Klein has noticed that Cadell and Schoen are “Fox News Democrats” aka whores for the corporate wing of the GOP?

    In other late-breaking news: Michael Dukakis’s 1988 campaign manager, Susan Estrich, is no longer a liberal advocate; Ronald Reagan is no longer a Democrat; and Teddy Roosevelt is now a member of the Bull Moose Party.

  • 53_3
  • Friar Tuck

    Yoicks, what a mug! To say nothing of the Sta-Puft Marshmallow Man on the other side of the split.

  • 53_3

    A “Glenn Beck Rally”?
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    Now that is the very definition of entertainment.
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    I’m hoping those Comic con guys show up like they did at the Westboro church:
    http://showhype.com/story/super-heroes-vs-the-westboro-baptist-church/
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    Thanks grape for posting this a couple days ago.

  • m0mentom0ri

    Glenn Beck, conman.
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    http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2010/07/glenn-beck-goldline/
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    Make sure you bring all your cash, Rusty. I’m sure the kind folks at Goldline will be more than willing to separate you from it. For your own good. The coming econopochalypse, and all that. You betchya.

  • m0mentom0ri

    “SHILL”
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    I don’t think that word means what you think it means, Rusty.
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    “A shill is a person who is paid to help another person or organization to sell goods or services. The shill pretends to have no association with the seller/group and gives onlookers the impression that he or she is an enthusiastic customer.”
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    (see also Beck, Glenn; Goldline)

  • newfreedomblog

    Even in your feebly put definition of what a shill is, momentoad, you define it very well. I only had to change a few words.
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    “The shill pretends to have no association with the PRESIDENT and gives onlookers the impression that he or she is a REPORTER.”

  • 53_3

    I just can’t wait for those Glenn Beck fans, riled by their speakers, to assault the ramparts of America armed with bright green beach thongs…

  • newfreedomblog

    ilikechips:
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    Dispite the rants from those here in the swamp who are mired in their beloved Presidents crap, they simply resort to the 3rd grade name calling to defend themselves or their liberal icons like Joe Klein.
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    When they say stupid and childish things like this…
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    “Chippy is like Rusty, but without substance.”

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    Or this….
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    “Then, on the evolutionary scale, how low is Chippy??”

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    Nothing to defend themselves. Nothing to back up their claims against what you comment on. Merely ad hominem. Merely an inmature response to someone who only needs a few words to get his point across.

  • 53_3

    …but then, we have a hideously Machiavellian plan afoot:
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    We will make them all cry simultooneously…

  • 53_3

    http://mmbr.asm.org/cgi/reprint/41/1/181.pdf
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    Rusty’s location on the tree of life…

  • danielatlanta

    There is nothing worse in politics that two Democratic Party has-beens trying to regain a modicum of importance, probably to help with a behind-the-scenes lobbying effort for some fatcat corporate initiative.

  • newfreedomblog

    “I just can’t wait for those Glenn Beck fans, riled by their speakers, to assault the ramparts of America armed with bright green beach thongs…”

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    Yea you are probably right, IQ53. It may not be as effective as an all back ninja turtle outfit with a billy club in your hand shouting out racial slurs at people as they walk by. But then again, I doubt there will be many people shouting out racial epiteths at this rally especially when one of the invited guests who is coming and speaking is Martin Luther King Jrs neice, Dr Alveda King.
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    You see IQ53, despite your claim you know all about the Black Community. Dr Alveda King KNOWS about the Black Community. She was a witness to the struggles of the 1960′s Civil Rights marches. Her father marched with his brother side by side. She knows the truth that disgusting white people like you distort.
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    Why don’t you come on down to Washington, IQ53. I’ll have her explain to you about the Black Community and how the liberals have destroyed her uncle’s dream.
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    Like I said and will keep saying. IQ53 does not care about the Black Community. He is in some way angry at his own whiteness. He hates himself, and he is simply projecting that hate onto other white people. Classic psychological distortion, and projection of anger. I guess we should really feel sorry for IQ53.

  • Paul-no not that one

    But what does Lanny Davis think?

  • m0mentom0ri

    “When they say stupid and childish things like this…”
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    This coming from a guy who has said that he thinks Obama might be the anti-Christ?
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    Spare me, Rusty. You never respond to factual rebuttals, unless its some ad hominem attack. You behave like a paranoid 12-year old and then huff and puff whenever you’re called on it.
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    And to be clear Rusty, it has nothing to do with your politics, it has everything to do with you and the way you behave. Act like a child, and you’ll get treated like one.

  • shepherdwong

    “Obama did jump the gun when he blamed Cambridge police racism for the shouting match with the jet-lagged Henry Louis Gates Jr. last summer.”
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    Obama said the police “acted stupidly” for arresting a man for suspected burglary after they found out it was his house. Racism is stupid but not all stupid is racist – right now, for instance, I don’t think you’re being racist.
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    Anyway, one way Democrats are different is that we have both liberals and “conservatives”, highlighting once again that the real political war in this country is being fought between liberals and “conservatives”, not between Democrats and Republicans.

  • m0mentom0ri

    “I’ll have her explain to you about the Black Community and how the liberals have destroyed her uncle’s dream.”
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    I’m trying not to get into another back and forth about race with Rusty. But I will remind the rest of us what a liberal looked like in the 60s, and what a conservative looked like:
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    http://socksgalore.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/sitin.jpg
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    That’s a liberal white college professor and a liberal white student from a liberal northern college sitting at the counter. But I’m sure Rusty would say that those two liberal white folks are just projecting their self-hate, and all those fine white southern gentlemen behind them are really trying to help that black woman eat lunch at a place where she’s more welcome and she just doesn’t know any better.
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    Some of us remember the past. Some of us will never forget it. Some of us will intentionally forget. The worst of us will try to rewrite it.

  • 53_3

    Rusty:
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    Why are you so mad at me for knowing the Black community?
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    Are you jealous or something?
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    I’m asking because you keep trying to portray yourself as a Black activist, yet you know nothing about the Black community.
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    In addition, you keep trying to push your theories about the Black community even when confronted with what are clearly racist assumptions behind it.
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    I’m very comfortable with where I’m at, Rusty. I don’t think you have a snowballs chance in hell of ever being able to out-compete me on the knowledge of that community.
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    The reason:
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    Whatever Alveda King, or Cain, or any other Black American says or thinks is totally irrelevant because it is you who maintains a death grip on your own ignorance!

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    One of the biggest lies of the last 2 years is that Obama is a left-wing radical. If my body produced an oversupply of dopamine I’d probably think there was some sort of conspiracy behind the accusation, one to hide the fact that he doesn’t seem to have a single left-wing bone in his entire body.

    That fact alone makes Caddell and Schoen even bigger right-wing jokes than one might have first imagined.

  • 53_3

    Thanks for pointing that out momento.
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    Rusty tries to hide his racist lamp behind various Black Americans, even to the point of twisting or reinterpreting what they say, but Rusty can’t hide the nasty smell of the oils he’s burning in it…

  • sevenoaks07

    Great question. Where is Lanny the Accommodationist?

  • freeinpa

    “Caddell and Schoen do make one valid point, though: Obama did jump the gun when he blamed Cambridge police racism for the shouting match with the jet-lagged Henry Louis Gates Jr. last summer. This is what is known in the trade as…a mistake.”
    =

    Why is it a mistake when a Democrat does it but a national catastrophe if its a Republican? He and his administration also “made a mistake” in their pronouncements on the AZ immigration law, condemning it before reading it.
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    “Abigail Thernstrom, a George W. Bush nominee to the Civil Rights Commission, has pretty much said the case was hogwash”

    I think her words is that it was small potatoes. But in your selective “journolism” you left out “One of the witnesses of the Election Day incident—Bartle Bull—a veteran civil rights activist who served as Bobby Kennedy’s New York campaign manager in 1968, has publicly called this “the most blatant form of voter intimidation” he has ever seen”. Or the fact that the case was won when the DOJ dropped charges and then stonewalled for months. No big deal unless it was a Republican DOJ.

    But since you seem to be a fan of Thernstrom’s reasoning I look forward to your posts agreeing with her views of equal opportunity and the education system in this country.

    ==
    “But Obama supports it–they aver, with zero evidence–solely for political reasons.”

    As with most of your post you view everything in the simplest terms. Immigration reform? You are guilty of of what accuse Schoen and Caddell of — no evidence. Obama’s “reform” is amnesty and essentially ignores border security. ANy doubt about that can be seen in his ignoring the problems that AZ and TX are currently suffering. Or in the HC bill in which illegals get HC at taxpayers expense. With nearly 10% unemployment, rising premiums (due to HC reform) and the prospect of HC rationing, he would think that this would be divisive.

    ==
    “Then they claim that the President has played the class warfare card by calling out the wealthy–like the bankers who raped the economy and British Petroleum, which pillaged the Gulf.”

    You mean the bankers like Freddie and Fannie who has still gone untouched. Those who raped the public included Franklin Raines, Rahmbo, Jamie Gorelick and other Democratic operatives. You mean those? Of course not! Or BP who pillaged the Gulf? Again government was blameless and the response by a vacationing, touring Obama that took how may months to respond had nothing to do with the pillaging.

    Joe you need to stop spend time with Chris Tingles as what little sense you had has left the building!

  • http://chimchimeree.wordpress.com chimchimeree

    So… Tea Partyers can show up anywhere toting guns and that’s OK, but a couple black folks who are unarmed but happen to have a billy club are not OK….
    When will people stop being so hypocritical?

  • http://flounder73.wordpress.com pafro

    I fully intend to show up to the polls this November (I might do it for primary day but I think I will be out of town), dressed up in a “White Panther Party” costume, complete with billy club.
    I will declare that I am protecting white people’s ability to vote.
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    My polling place is as white as the polling place where the New Black Panthers were at is black (99%). So when I do this and nothing happens: I’m not arrested, no one is intimidated, and I am not prosecuted for intimidating voters, we will all be even.

  • m0mentom0ri

    “Thanks for pointing that out momento.”
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    No problem, fitty.
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    Here’s some additional background on that photo:
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    “[Joan Trumpauer] Mulholland, 19 at the time of the photo, is shown being surrounded by an angry mob of young white people during a sit-in at Woolworth’s soda fountain counter in downtown Jackson. She had been doused with mustard, ketchup, water, Coca-Cola, spray paint and a bounty of insults.
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    “Pictured at the right is Annie Moody, an African-American student at Tougaloo College in Jackson. A streak of mustard and ketchup drips onto her forehead. Pictured at the left is John Salter, then a Tougaloo professor. He is covered in condiments and blood.
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    “He had been hit with brass knuckles.”

  • allthingsinaname

    The junk coming from the GOP is like all those viral emails; there is just too much to keep track of. It is all diarrhea, unfortunately it dries and sticks.

  • apr2563

    Thanks Paul. How can Joe not know that Cadell, like Dick Morris, has been a shill for Fox “News” for years?

  • freeinpa

    So is Joe K. a MSNBC Democrat

  • freeinpa

    When you stop being stupid.

    ==

    Imagine the outrage if it was a KKK who showed up at a polling place with or with a club? Emergency rooms would be overflowing with liberal stroke victims.

  • freeinpa

    Boy I’m sure glad liberals never do that. Like the feces stream that the left puts out here everyday, of course, it’s all high minded truth. BWHAHSABAH!

  • shepherdwong

    “Imagine the outrage if it was a KKK who showed up at a polling place with or with a club?”
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    Hah! If the KKK showed up with a club at that polling place in South Philly, the emergency room would be overflowing with red-stained white sheets.

  • newfreedomblog

    Yea IQ53, now who would I believe? A self-professed bald, fat white man who married a black woman? Or, Dr Alveda King and Mr Cain? I’m guessing most people will be like me. They will believe them before ever believing a 3rd grader like you.

  • newfreedomblog

    One word for you allthings.
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    JOURNOLIST

  • freeinpa

    And yet…
    “Bartle Bull, a civil rights movement veteran, was there. He says it was “the most blatant form of voter intimidation I have encountered in my life in political campaigns in many states, even going back to the work I did in Mississippi in the 1960s.” The crimes Mr. Bull witnessed that day were not committed in 1960s Mississippi, however. Those crimes took place in 2008 in Philadelphia”

    The left keeps dancing and honoring that time-tested liberal tradition of lying to themselves.

  • 53_3

    Rusty:
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    I’ve always said, ask people in the Black community.
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    I don’t know what they think of your “theories”, but chances are they don’t even know what you think.
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    But I do. At least the portion of it that you’ve been willing to convey ever since you were called out for Stormfront stuff, the “White Giant” stuff, and the other things you’ve said about how desirable the annihilation of the Japanese people are.
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    It’s easy to keep yourself in a cocoon by look only at those you cherry pick.
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    The real test is to go into a bar frequented by Black Americans, or a truly Black American church (not one of those megachurches with a few Black patrons), or a public community center with no political function.
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    Separate the politics from the people and you will find out for yourself that I am right about the Black community.

  • 53_3

    @14.2
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    And justifiably so!

  • pintortwo

    newfree, Grover Norquist held “Wednesday meetings” for over a decade to coordinate conservative messaging. The Note / Gang of 500, Drudge, The Page have long been criticized as doing the same. And The Council for National Policy -wiki link- “is an umbrella organization and networking group for social conservative activists in the United States. It has been described by the The New York Times as a “little-known group of a few hundred of the most powerful conservatives in the country,” who meet three times yearly behind closed doors at undisclosed locations for a confidential conference. Nation magazine has called it a secretive organization that “networks wealthy right-wing donors together with top conservative operatives to plan long-term movement strategy.” It was founded in 1981 by Tim LaHaye as a forum for conservative Christians seeking to strengthen the political right in the United States.” (the owners of Salem Communications are members).
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    The freewheeling nature of Journolist’s emails seem insignificant in comparison.

  • 53_3

    Here is a piece on Bartle Bull:
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    http://mediamatters.org/blog/201007080022

  • freeinpa

    So IQ53 has now sanctioned violence at the polling booths next year when the Black Panthers show up threatening voters. I am sure he will be the first to scream racists

  • freeinpa

    When confronted with facts, destroy the messenger. Page 3 of the tired old liberal handbook

  • freeinpa

    The rationalization continues to protect the moral superiority from the supposedly unbiased truth bearing loons of the left. For all the bashing of Beck, Limbaugh fox News et al the snotty arrogant writers of the left are just liberal whores for a bankrupt political philosophy

  • 53_3

    freeinpa:
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    You are dumber than a warthog:
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    The KKK is the oldest and largest of the modern terrorist organizations. The number of victims of the KKK’s “outreach” efforts exceeds the death toll exacted by Al-Queda by factor of 100 or more!).
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan
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    The NBPP? I’ve already pointed out that they are a hate group many times, so don’t put words in my mouth.
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Black_Panther_Party

  • 53_3

    Correction:
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    When confronted with race baiting, verify the credentials the messenger. Page 3 of the tired old liberal handbook.
    .
    By your own statement, you’re admitting that the messenger was “destroyed” i.e. has no credibility.
    .
    Fancy that!
    .
    Nice wall you walked into freeinpa…

  • seekingrationalthought

    After reading through the entire unconvincing article, we find Mr. Klein’s real point. Anyone who disagrees with his view of the world is evil and self-seeking. Ironic isn’t it that Mr. Klein is watching his whole world collapse around him (he’s made his living being a left wing Democrat propagandist), and he criticizes others motives. Bye bye Joe. People see through your factionalism and your friends incompetence.

  • crava

    Hey, hey: It’s Brickbat-Boy, the little fellow from Journo-List

    You’re not making much sense, but your capacity for name-calling continues unabated.

  • pintortwo

    Writers that are whores would naturally gravitate toward the biggest sources of money. Think about which companies and industries are the largest advertisers– whores would abandon their own beliefs to cater to them. “Beck, Limbaugh fox News et al” do that. Liberals get little love from industry / advertising heavyweights.

  • 53_3

    It also helps when the bankroll is supplied exclusively by GOP interests to promote exclusively (except Chris Matthews, whose job is secure to maintain the facade of “fair and balanced”) GOP points of view.

  • 53_3

    Woops. 15.5 was intended for here

  • 53_3

    Oops. Should have been 16.6.
    .
    Kill me. My slingers fipped…

  • http://davetomphl.wordpress.com/ davetomphl

    Mr. Klein is again carrying water for Mr. Obama. Pollsters tell you what they find in the polls they conduct. That is what they do. It is always the case when a negative finding is displayed that someone finds fault with it.

    I wonder why Mr. Obama’s popularity is now in the 40 to 45 percent range. Are all polls in collusion to bring down Obama? I thought the Journolist was designed to bring down politicians.

  • freeinpa

    Well i see its now IQ35

    “By your own statement, you’re admitting that the messenger was “destroyed” i.e. has no credibility”

    What i described is the left’s typical procedure. In your mind he has no credibility but then your mind has had too many interactions with the home lobotomy kit.

    He has stood up against the dimbulb racist left and now they have turned on him. Just as shown with Caddell for calling Democrats fools that they are. Once you speak the truth it becomes open season and the left sets out to destroy the messenger. Only the brain dead equates that with credibility.

  • steve851

    Well, there is no doubt that Obama campaigned on the “post partisan” message, but has governed in the “most partisan” way. And the latter is okay because the Dems won the election. That’s politics. But calling Obama out for the hypocrite that he is okay too (as well as accurate). That’s politics as well.

  • freeinpa

    “Writers that are whores would naturally gravitate toward the biggest sources of money”

    ==

    Not all, the cheap dirty whores go to the bargain basement bankrupt companies like NYT , Time, Newsweek, Air America etc.

    Cheap and useless

  • 53_3

    freeinpa:
    .
    Have you sold your wares to the Black community yet?
    .
    Any takers? Does maybe a 1.38% Fox viewership in the Black community tell you anything?
    .
    Hellooooo? Anyone there? knock knock
    .
    jeopardy.wav
    jeopardy.wav
    jeopardy.wav

  • fhmadvocat

    Cadell and Schoen are just lap dogs for the right wing. Obama is not above criticism, even from conservatives who would have a legitimate gripe about his spending and “government is best” behavior (though I would disagree with that accessment) but that he is racially divisive? Class warfare? Where have these guys been for the past 40 years?
    The Republicans are the kings of playing the race card. How else did they become so dominant in the South? Remember Nixon’s “Southern strategy”? Reagan’s “Welfare Queens”, Bush’s Willie Horton ads?
    Obama has gone out of his way to avoid race, but as the first Black president, it is an unavoidable issue. The problem is so many white people get so defensive that as an African-American, you are almost afraid to mention the obvious, lest you offend your white friends. Race is still a touchy issue and for certain White people, just the mention of race brings on tension.
    I find it ironic for any conservative to mention class warfare after watching the Reagan administration merrilessly attack the poor. Republicans have played the “Us vs. Them” strategy to a tee. Obama has only attacked those who are responsible for damaging our economy and Obama as populist is, of course, a reaction to the political realities and his efforts to not come off as an “elitist”.
    The problem is Obama tried to work with Republicans initially, and they refused. They choose to play up the culture wars that Obama has sought to get past.
    Obama’s biggest fault is hubris. He thought his election would usher a new era of American politics and that we had reached a post-culture war era. Unfortuately, he can not change the politics of Washington and the Tea Party wants to take us back to the culture war of the 1960s and 1970s. It is time to move forward, not to look back.
    If the authors have a problem with Obama being a Democrat, that’s fine, but their crocodile tears about their past deeds is hogwash. They are nothing but tools for the right wing. After all, more than one Liberal has turned on Liberal principals and turned to the Dark Side.

  • nearablackhole

    “Obama did jump the gun when he blamed Cambridge police racism for the shouting match with the jet-lagged Henry Louis Gates Jr. last summer. This is what is known in the trade as…a mistake. Bill Clinton–or anyone who knows Skip Gates, who seems preternaturally mild-mannered when not jet-lagged–might have screwed up similarly.”

    Amazing bit of apology there. I think, rather, the surface of deep-seated resentment was scratched. Jet lagged? How ridiculous. Maybe Caddell and Shoen were jet-lagged.

  • santamonicahomer

    Defending Obama’s divisiveness takes a combination of chutzpah along with a refusal to see what America is seeing. His rising disapproval (blamed in the liberal media on unemployment numbers) is probably far more due to the pettiness and divisiveness of his executive demeanor. Since I first voted in an election and pulled the lever for Jimmy Carter, I have never seen any President who so regularly demonizes others, while embracing those around the world who demonize the United States. Every chance to make disparaging remarks about his assumed “opponent” of the moment is used in a demeaning manner. The luster of our Presidency is being damaged in very real ways- is it any surprise that Joe Klein’s elitist love affair with the man damaging our country’s standing in the world would see it the opposite of the American public? These are desperate days for liberal elitists.

  • stuartzechman

    No, Joe K. is a New Democrat, sometimes referred to on the left as a “Vichy Democrat.”

  • 53_3

    ‘slunch

  • stuartzechman

    No, no, he’s made his living being a center-wing Democrat propagandist.

  • freeinpa
  • greendayer

    Poor Klein outed by the journolist scandal now has turned his venom on fellow Democrats. Caddell and Schoen have the polling chops and the polling support for their findings. Klein has . . . emotion and irrationality. He really has become unraveled as his hero, Obama continues to sink.

  • michaelfury

    “They were the jerks who dressed up in camouflage fatigues and looked threatening at a Philadelphia polling station on election day in 2008. One of them brandished a billy club, but didn’t use it. Somehow the Republicans have decided this act of street theater is a major threat to democracy as we know it”

    Theater. Yes. Like the Red Team vs the Blue Team.

    http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2010/07/04/a-smile-from-a-veil/

  • janelasdedeus

    Sound and fury… signifying nothing. It’s all about the creation of private sector jobs… and these guys do not have a clue, because they are all academics.

  • stuartzechman

    …blamed in the liberal media…

    There is no “liberal media.”

  • http://dattmyar.wordpress.com dattmyar

    Mr. Klein, in reference to the New Black Panthers case, I can only imagine the outrage on the left if that had been the KKK outside of a polling place in Atlanta Georgia. Now imagine the outrage from the left if this was the 2012 election and Obama lost to ….I don’t know…let’s just say…… Sarah Palin (ok I picked her because I know the thought of her beating Obama is enough to make you squirm)… and the Holder Justice Department filed charges and one cases against those KKK members for voter intimidation, and the Palin Justice Department (it’s ok Joe put glycerine pills down…. this is only hypothetical) came along and dropped the charges against those KKK members. You and the rest of the D-Bagging left would be calling for investigations, calling her a racist. Once again, it appears that the “Liberal Double Standard” is in full affect. I would argue that your support for the Holder Justice Department dropping the case against the New Black Panthers makes you a crypto-racist!!!

  • shepherdwong

    “Defending Obama’s divisiveness takes a combination of chutzpah along with a refusal to see what America is seeing.”
    .
    Funny, I’d say the exact same thing for a right-winger blaming Obama for being divisive. The country is being divided by right-wing liars and race-baiters, like Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck and FOX News and the people who slavishly believe everything they say. Come to thing of it, chutzpah doesn’t begin to describe race-baiters who blame their victims for being divisive.

  • newfreedomblog

    Oh I have been in a nearly all black bar. I have even worked with an all black workplace with the excpetion of myself.
    .
    Guess what IQ53? They agree with what I have said, what Mr Cain has said, and what Dr Alveda King has said.
    .
    But you go right ahead and condone the Democrat Party’s destruction of the black family. Go right ahead and be a proponent of the destruction of black inner city youths who are coerced into drugs. Go right ahead and play your “I’m holier than tho” white boy attitude, and I will keep right on saying that black folks have been shafted by liberals. That entitlement programs have been concocted by liberals to enslave some of the black folks in America to simply buy their vote.
    .
    Stormfront? What is that? The only site I have been on is the one run by Van Jones, I believe it is called STORM it is an acronym.
    .
    Here you can also read their communist manifesto-like proclamation if you want he created at the communist Ella Baker Center.
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    http://www.leftspot.com/blog/files/docs/STORMSummation.pdf

  • certifiablylazy

    Been MIA for a while, but I see the new talking point for rebuttal of all things non-Republican is “journalist.”

    I guess everyone got their monthly newsletter.

  • jkk1943

    Klein in his never ending campaign to support Obama totally misses two points:

    Immigration: Obama has demagogued immigration. His comment about citizens being stopped in the process of buying ice cream is Democratic street theater at its worst. Obama has had almost two years to address immigration. He didn’t move until the AZ law was announced. Klein also fails to mention that Senator Obama helped kill the 2007 Immigration Reform attempt. He supported Democratic amendmants to kill the guest worker provision that guaranteed collapse of GOP support. He killed the guest worker provision because organized labor did not support it.

    New Black Panthers: Klein repeats DNC talking points that GOP demagoged insignificant action by insignificant group. Would Klein have said the same if an equally insignificant Aryan Nation thug threatened black voters and the Bush DOJ dropped the charges after they won a default judgement.

    Caddell and Schoen are old fashioned Democrats with a sense of honor and fair play. They have called Obama on his divisive racial politics. Klein is acting more like an Obama apologist than a journalist when he attacks people with the integrity and guts to challenge their own party

  • pasqualepeter

    You are “journalist emeritus” and present-day apologist for Obama.

  • diecash1

    His rising disapproval (blamed in the liberal media on unemployment numbers) is probably far more due to the pettiness and divisiveness of his executive demeanor

    Yes, because everyone knows that the vast majority of Americans are much more concerned with Obama’s executive demeanor than jobs. How utterly ridiculous! Care to show some poll numbers to back up your absolutely false conclusion?

  • swissArmyBrainBETA

    beautiful

  • shepherdwong

    “When confronted with facts, destroy the messenger. Page 3 of the tired old liberal handbook
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    Thirty minutes later:
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    “…the cheap dirty whores go to the bargain basement bankrupt companies like NYT , Time, Newsweek, Air America etc.”
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    The stupid burns.

  • kurtmudgeon

    We cannot tolerate reality.
    – Joe Klein

    kurtmudgeon

  • fhmadvocat

    dattyar,

    You are completely missing the point. The New Black Panther Party was at a polling station in South Philly, in an area that was 99% black and likely to be 98% voting for Obama. That is certainly not like the KKK in Atlanta, and more like the KKK at the polling place next to the house of David Duke.

    Besides you can’t compare the New Black Pather Party (or the old Black Pather Party) to the KKK. How many White people have been lynched by either group? And how many of their activities were protected by Black law enforcement officials?

  • 53_3

    “Oh I have been in a nearly all black bar. I have even worked with an all black workplace with the excpetion of myself.”
    .
    Good. Now, Perhaps you neglected to inform them politely that:
    1. Black Americans are always looking for handouts?
    2. They always vote based on race?
    3. They have no work ethic?
    4. Black Americans are gullible, and are falling for fiendish “plans” concocted by others?

    .
    “Guess what IQ53? They agree with what I have said, what Mr Cain has said, and what Dr Alveda King has said.”
    .
    See above. However, I might also point out that picking at the fringe (Cain) of the Black community, or misrepresenting what Alveda King has sad isn’t helping you. People like Cain are less common than those Black Americans who believe in alien abductins!
    .
    To prove my point, FOX has a 1.38% share in the total Black viewership. What does that tell you?
    .
    “Go right ahead and play your “I’m holier than tho” white boy attitude, and I will keep right on saying that black folks have been shafted by liberals. “
    .
    Yo! You is really soundin’ Blacker ‘n black now… Would one of your many poisonalities include an ignorant Black man?
    .
    “That entitlement programs have been concocted by liberals to enslave some of the black folks in America to simply buy their vote.”
    .
    I refer this comment to Rusty’s racist beliefs as enumerated at (4) above.
    .
    Rusty, if you to not be labeled a racist, then don’t indulge in race baiting, and above all, don’t write things that are racist!

  • tvidie777

    Boy Joe Klein sure has his panties twisted into a donut doesn’t he? He’s so hurt by the continued downward slide of his messiah that he won’t admit that these two Democrats (Schoen and Caddell) have valid points.

    I guess when you’re insulated within the liberal world of Oz (the tip of the sewage pipe being JOURNOLIST), then you can routinely substitute emotion for facts. And you can consider damning circumstantial evidence (like the dropped Black Panther case…WHICH WAS ALREADY WON BY THE PROSECUTION… and followed up by an award winning whistle-blower) as just mere coincidence… bad luck for Barry right?

    Why is it that when Obama has egg on his face (and to date he has enough to cook an omelette for all the residents of Palestine) it’s always bad luck, coincidence, communication problems, and George W. Bush? Again?? Still???????

    Could it be–I know I’m going out on a limb here–that Barack Obama is woefully inexperienced, in over his head and making decisions based on political self-preservation rather than the good of the country?

    To the casual observer, Obama is failing miserably. It could be just me.

  • jackdavis1

    Joe, as an unabashed apologist for the Obama administration, you will get your comeuppance when the Democrats lose Congress in November…and again when Obama gets the boot in 2012.

  • http://wardo310.wordpress.com wardo310

    Hey Joe, did you come up with this all by yourself or did you need to enlist your Journolist buddies to get your talking points straightened out first!

  • 53_3

    Uh oh.
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    Frumbots…

  • gregbuls

    A pathetic piece.

    Klein argues the following, if you follow his thoughts:

    1. So long as racial/voting intimidation is the act of fringe organizations that few people have heard of, it doesn’t warrant the full application of the law.

    2. It matters not at all that 2/3 of Americans oppose any plan involving amnesty, Obama and a few republicans want it, so it’s not racially divisive.
    Wrong. The white population knows that they are not sufficiently pliable for the likes of Obama, and therefore must be replaced.

    It goes on and on like this, PATHETIC. This guy is respected? By whom?

  • http://stmarysmead.wordpress.com stmarymead

    My…how we are progressing along the road to a post-racial nation under President Obama and his pals in Congress! The trick has become not to hear Obama’s words, but watch what he and his troops hide in the Laws or say behind doors at the DOJ. What Billionaire John Kerry is…. to paying his fair share of taxes…Obama is…. to bringing our nation together. . Don’t listen…look at what they HIDE!

    Obama’s “hope” exists only for SELECTED victim-populations that will secure his power; his “change” is the most hostile attitude toward private business that this nation has ever seen. Bureaucrats everywhere…demanding certain genders and skin colors get hired and pushed ahead DURING A RECESSION…in the Financial Reform Bill! Ignoring Racist Hate Groups blocking entry to polls. Intruding, imposing, inflicting themselves..these people who have never met a pay-roll or sweated a start-up….into every area of American life. Ignorant bureaucrats emboldened by Obama to be between us and our doctors, our jobs, even, by God…our menu choices!

    Much of this is being written BY STEALTH into legislation. Not discussed, not debated, IMPOSED!

    A long time ago, I had a dream too. I had a dream that the evil, hurt and nonsense that skin hue was any different from eye color as a determinant of anything…would disappear. I had a dream if that my generation would stand up to the racist attitudes in our own families, that my children’s generation would never remember that such skewed thinking ever existed. I believe the best test for any of us on post-racial attitudes is to honestly judge the population of our own hearts. Who’s in there, folks? Look hard and you’ll have your answer.

    Look hard at Obama’s heart. I bet you’d find his “mentor”, Rev Wright, sitting in Obama’s front heart-pew.

    I asked myself during the election, could I have spent 20 years in a pew listening to the racist vitriol of a white clone of Reverend Wright? Would I have subjected my little children to such a divisive, ugly mindset week after week? Could I have called such a man…”my Mentor?” Is there any excuse for a man who retired to the American dream of a million dollar home in a gated community…to be tolerated for preaching words and attitudes that breed an exclusivity of anger…that foster a new generation of separatism and hate? But Mr. Obama wallowed in that hate week after week.

    American chose to look the other way and believe Obama’s protestations over his weekly seat in that front row pew. But we are seeing in his policies, actions, and non-actions…that Wright’s words have seeped into Obama’s presidency.

    The result is apologizing to despots and dictators for “God-d@#$ America”…the result is policies that protect certain racial civil rights, but ignore others…the result is decisions that prosecute White hate groups but coddle Black hate groups…the result is stealth laws that DEMAND jobs in a recession for certain races, but deny others. The result is not looking at both the NAACP and the TEA Parties as collections of people, including FLAWED people, behind faces in all colors. How ridiculous to elevate the NAACP to some collection of sainted all-knowing all-virtuous victims…who, by their victimhood ALONE, are never human enough to be wrong or unangelic enough to be accountable for THEIR OWN biased actions.

    In North Carolina, in 2006, the NAACP insisted a drug addled hardened Prostitute who was pulled drunk from another Strippers car…with the Louvre of local DNA in her filthy underwear…was Durham’s finest example of virtuous Black womanhood. And they pushed those lies on their official Website where those who might still trust their long-gone integrity…MIGHT have come for the truth. There has been no outrage or outcry. No apologies, no demand that anyone be censored. Where were all those people having the vapors NOW over Andrew Breitbart’s ONE video? Two YEARS of damnable NAACP LIES that might have cost three kids the rest of their lives in jail…in a city that would sit a predominantly Black jury. Not a job…their LIVES!

    But all those Progressive eyes and hearts just shrugged and turned away.

    The Duke Lacrosse Frame should be part of the next election cycle…it is the supreme spit-in-the-eye to any charge from the NAACP of racism.

    My generation, Black and White…began a march toward something better for ourselves and our children. This is something…generationally, that is almost holy to us. It is being defaced by the “Reverend Wright” mindset of this Presidency.

    More:

    http://stmarysmead.wordpress.com/

  • 53_3

    Attenton:
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    Condition yaller! Condition yaller!
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    Frumbot swarm headed your way….

  • http://flounder73.wordpress.com pafro

    Dang, the trolls are fiending today. It must be their beautiful SB1070 getting held up.

  • firebatfox

    dustmop

  • Friar Tuck

    It’s getting so thick in here that I’m tempted to use “demagogue” as a verb.

  • freeinpa

    If the KKK showed up with a club at that polling place in South Philly, the emergency room would be overflowing with red-stained white sheets.

    And justifiably so!

    ==
    I did not put words in your mouth you said it.

    It has nothing to do with the KKK and whatever your link was. You condoned violence of one type. Since it is now well documented that the NBP’s believe whites should be killed you would condone or as you say “justifiably” that the emergency rooms be filled with them.

    Unless, of course, you are only giving lip service to “pointed out that they are a hate group many times”

    Which I suspect you do.

  • freeinpa

    “Have you sold your wares to the Black community yet?”

    I see you are back to that pathetic “my work in the black community”

    For giggles what work? Pushing for entitlements/ Affirmative action?

    As most people believe that “your work” amounts to nothing. But then so do you. IQ35 and falling

  • subframer

    just when you think joe klein couldn’t be more embarrassing…. joe, do you work as a journalist, or are you a paid propagandist for the obama administration? actually, that doesn’t need an answer from you, since the answer is obvious. obama is divisive, clearly, simply, because WE ARE MORE DIVIDED THAN WHEN HE TOOK OFFICE. Is that simple enough for you, klein, you hack? maybe you think that since Jounolist broke, you can just be true about your hyper partisan blather. actually, i could respect that, if it were the truth. unfortunately, you continue to write tripe like this, while masquerading as a journalist. you’re a joke, chief, you’r done…..

  • subframer

    by no one with a brain.

  • http://theillinoisguy.wordpress.com Greg

    What tripe. Klein, your credibility was shot with journolist. Obama is doing his best to ruin the country for everyone, and concentrate the power in a small number of academic elites with no real world experience. More on this at http://theillinoisguy.com/2010/07/24/taking-one-for-the-team/

  • subframer

    fhmadvocat -

    you’re an idiot. so now racism and thuggery are about effectiveness, not about evil ideology? so if a KKK team botches a lynching and end up with mud all over there robes in a southern swamp while they’re target runs free, they’re not guilty of anything? you f’in DNC losers are so weak, you think the country wants to hear this kind of insulting crap? i can’t wait til November, make hey out of the NBP story, Repubs, bury their noses in it…..

  • spk2moi

    In other words, Mr. Klein, waaaaaaaaahhhhhh! Somebody’s finally telling the truth about this disastrous president, and you’re having a three-year-old hissy fit. We’ll have our tantrum in November, and then maybe you’ll have to create a new neoliberal website to replace Journolist, so you can write for people who live in the nutty, lefty world you live in!

  • apostasyusa

    I don’t mind Democrats debating the issues with each other. At least they are different from the Republican Party which pretty much votes with one mind like sheep (sorry Snow).

    Dissent is good. Maybe if the GOP had a little when Bush was in power we wouldn’t be in Iraq and the US government would be two trillion richer.

    The rubber stamp GOP can take a long walk off a short pier.

  • shepherdwong

    “I wonder why Mr. Obama’s popularity is now in the 40 to 45 percent range. Are all polls in collusion to bring down Obama?”
    .
    I’m pretty sure it has to do with right-wing liars and propaganda merchants who claim that President Obama is less popular than he actually is:
    .
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html
    .
    And guess what? Saint Ronald of Reagan had lower approval ratings at about the same time in his two-term presidency.
    .
    http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1192

  • shepherdwong

    Well, there is no doubt that Obama campaigned on the “post partisan” message, but has governed in the “most partisan” way.
    .
    Boy do I know what you mean. That guy has got to stop passing all of these partisan Republican policies.

  • http://loachdriver.wordpress.com loachdriver

    Kristiia said, “There are Fox News Democrats, which means they really are barely Democrats at all.” Really?

    Memory tells nme that there used to be Scoop Jackson & Zell Miller Democrats. Evidently, loony Leftists of Kristiia’s ilk, claiming to be the authentic voice of the Democrat Party would drum out of the party anyone not quite as kooky as they. By that standard, John F. Kennedy, strong on defense & opposed to union corruption, would today be unwelcome in the party by Kristiia & her ilk.

    Given such kooks, Is it any surprise Ronald Reagan said, “I didn’t leave the Democrat Party, it left me?”

    The fact remains, confirmed by poll after poll, that in the USA self-identified conservatives outnumber liberals two to one, but the Kristiias of the land are in deep denial of that.

  • http://loachdriver.wordpress.com loachdriver

    November, hurry up & arrive, will you?

  • http://dattmyar.wordpress.com dattmyar

    fhmadvocat -

    Please cite facts that are real. You stated:

    “The New Black Panther Party was at a polling station in South Philly, in an area that was 99% black and likely to be 98% voting for Obama.”

    The reality is that it is about 65% African-American, 20% White, 12% Hispanic, 2% Asian, 1% Other/Bi-Racial. (http://www.city-data.com/zips/19123.html)

    I guess your position is that the other 35% don’t deserve to go to their polling station with out being harassed? Really??

    I think you are the one that dose not get it. This is not about the NBPP. This not about the Justice Department deciding that there was not enough evidence to bring these individuals up on charges. This about a Justice Department that decided for, no clear reason, to drop a case that had already been won by the government. If you can offer insight as to why the Holder Justice Department, after meetings with White House attorneys, decided to drop the case I would be interested in hearing it.

    Read more: http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/07/28/democrats-are-different/comment-page-2/?replytocom=185427#respond#ixzz0v1MKj5an

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Why is it a mistake when a Democrat does it but a national catastrophe if its a Republican?”
    .
    Republican mistakes:
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    Repeal of the Glass Stegal Act responsible for the horrendous economic depression we have now.
    .
    Attacking Iraq: hundreds of thousands dead, close to one trillion dollars in total cost before it ends and a loss of national face.
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    Torturing in Gitmo and at Abu Garib.
    .
    Fulfilling a second (after Iraq) bin Ladin prediction and turning around a, then 225 year tradition of being the best country to surrender to (saving hundreds of thousands of US lives over the past 235 years) by torturing people.
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    Ignoring Katrina for days, costing the lives of dozens of Americans in New Orleans.
    .
    Obama’s mistakes:
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    Jumped into a Cambridge, Ma, incident when ti was not needed.
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    Mispronounced Corpsman as “corpse man” instead of “core’s man”.
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    Did not ask for a large enough stimulus package to restart the economy.
    .
    Look at what they did wrong and there are orders of magnitude different to any sane person (which rules out you).
    .
    “Then they claim that the President has played the class warfare card by calling out the wealthy–like the bankers who raped the economy and British Petroleum, which pillaged the Gulf.”
    .
    Of course you must hold BP, who could have not just met legal safety standards -which it did not but was habitually beneath – but exceeded them without any problem for being so careless while seeking short term profits.
    .
    Banks lending money to people who could not pay it back so that they could package the loan to unsuspecting investors investing people’s retirement money and their children’s college money so that parents can not pay tuition, people near retirement can not retire and unsuspecting mortgagees are unable to keep houses they put their life savings into and can not even sell it for what they own in debt is anything other than merciless greed and short term thinking?
    .
    Freepizza, give it up.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Since it is now well documented that the NBP’s believe whites should be killed you would condone or as you say “justifiably” that the emergency rooms be filled with them.”
    .
    Total number of people killed in the History of the KKK: thousands.
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    Total killed by NBPP: 0.
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    So far the NBPP has produced obnoxious and unreasonable talk, but no known actions.
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    Wait, that sounds like you, no illegal actions, but tons of obnoxious talk!

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “As most people believe that “your work” amounts to nothing. But then so do you. IQ35 and falling.”
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    Freepizza, WTF is wrong with you!
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    You call 53_3 stupid and you call me a failure1
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    Now you are calling 53_3 a failure?
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    Now, take your medication. You are getting confused again.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “…the bargain basement bankrupt companies like NYT…”
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    And all of the high school dropouts become CEOs of Wall Street firms, right?
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    Getting hired by the NYTs is one of the hardest things to do and you don’t make much doing it.
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    Fox takes any village idiot who looks good in front of a camera and pay fifty times as much.
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    Freepizza, follow the big paychecks and you’ll know who is getting paid to sell off their ethics – hint, they are on the East Side of Manhattan and their Network name begins with an F.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “…outed by the journolist scandal now has turned his venom on fellow Democrats..”
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    Scandal?
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    He communicated with… OMG! OMG! OM Fking G! Other journalists!
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    That would be like a cop talking to his partner in the police car with him!
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    That would be like Stock brokers having lunch together!
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    It would be like…. no BFD to those of us who do not suffer from paranoid schizophrenia.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    What I find hilarious is the Republican pundits and campaign managers seem to write a script years in advance and then copy and paste it in.

    1980, Reagan’s campaign had figured out how to get Carter: call him an out of touch, intellectual liberal.
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    (I am not sure that he was anywhere near as out of touch as he was portrayed, but, Reagan wasn’t exactly on top of things himself).
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    1984, Mondale, Carter’s VP (of course predating word processing, but, this is how it worked): go to find and replace. Change “Carter” to Mondale.
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    Reagan wins again.
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    1988 for GHWB: find and replace “Modale” with “Dukkakis”.
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    Then comes 1992.
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    OOOOOh Sht!
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    Clinton was a saxophone playing quick witted devout moderate who could not be called a liberal.
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    Damn!
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    When a black person wins, say that the black Democrat is using race.
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    Obama goes out of his way not to bring up race. Oooops.
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    Use criticisms of last Republcian in office and do a find and replace of the speech of the “Dubbya” for “Obama” and see if that fits.
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    The Patriot Act = Health Care Reform.
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    Ooops, not at all similar.
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    GWB gets us into Iraq so Obama got us into Afghanistan.
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    No he didn’t.
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    Bush with a Republican majority locked Democrats out of all decision making to pass a pure Republican agenda without even a burp allowed to be heard from a Democrat in true partisanship not seen for a long time.
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    Copy and paste “Dubbya” for “Obama” and see if it fits.
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    Obama brought the Senate Republicans to the WH to discuss HCR and begged them for input.
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    Oooops.
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    Another Republican strategy, accuse Democrats of being radical leftists.
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    As Democrats pass an originally Republican HCR, Democrats can now watch what could have been a huge Republican comeback, instead, be the process of, mostly, the Republicans driving themselves off of a right wing cliff.
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    Obama has to just smile, ask for Republican input and the Republicans will just go off of a right wing cliff into the Tea Party.
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    Wasn’t there a Tea Party in Alice in Wonderland?

  • newfreedomblog

    LOL@wardo310. Most excellent!!

  • 70northsullivan

    FT: heh!

  • newfreedomblog

    Ahhhhhhh, the calvary has arrived. Sanity once again returns to the swamp. :)

  • newfreedomblog

    “1980, Reagan’s campaign had figured out how to get Carter: call him an out of touch, intellectual liberal.”

    .
    AHAHAHAHAHA….calling Carter “an intellectual liberal” is like calling Mother Teresa a gutter slut. Amazing.
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    You truly are as stupid as your comments sound.

  • square1

    The JournoList scandal? OMG, the GOP is upset that liberals are talking to each other behind the GOP’s back! Please excuse me while I DO NOT GIVE A FLYING F–K!
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    Actually that isn’t entirely true. I promise to give f–k right after the GOP releases a transcript of every conversation between Roger Ailes and a Bush administration official. Until then, I will resume not giving a flying f–k.

  • bodenschnedenboden

    Way to go, Joe. I’ll be your Journ-o-list buddies are proud of your ability to respout their talking points!

    BTW, whatever you’re calling the “new” Journ-o-list, all it will take is one infiltrator and you’ll be re-shamed to the whole world again.

  • square1

    Dear Moran,
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    Pat Cadell is not a Democrat. He worked for a Democratic administration 30 years ago. He has spent the better part of the past 15 years whoring for a Republican propaganda outlet, FOX news.
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    Feel free to clarify in comments whether you are stupid enough to believe that Cadell is still a Democrat or whether you just think that the rest of us are dumb enough to buy this nonsense.

  • earljr1

    According to sheperd, ALL of these pollsters are nothing but right wing liars and scumbags. Wow…talk about separation from reality! It is quite remarkable how obtuse liberals can be. Every poll, with the exception of Time, give Obama the lowest approval ratings yet and only 31% of Americans think this country is headed in the right direction. If this trend continues, the four year experiment with progressive politics, is over and many of us agree, just in the nick of time!

  • jschmidt2

    Joe- you wouldn’t see anything wrong with the New Black Panther Party case or the fact Holder doesn’t want to prosecute cases of minority discrimination on majorities. Joe- you are just another liberal journalist who got us into this mess by ignoring Obama being unqualified for the job and supporting the business destruction of the Democrat party.

  • 53_3

    Well Hells Bells freeinpa:
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    At last, a tiny crack in the veil:
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    “Pushing for entitlements/ Affirmative action?”
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    Would you care to elaborate?
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    I mean, really, how about a hot dog to go with your thinly disguised…

  • 53_3

    Who farted in here?
    .
    Nevermind. I guess the die hard racists have to cling to their race-baiting crap.
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    Wonderful shew. Yes indeed.
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    I used to point this out a long time ago, before the elections:
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    You’re all dinosaurs, trying to hang on to the good ol’ days of the “angry white male” and Southern Strategy like it was the last piece of driftwood, with enough room for 10, but there’s maybe 30 who don’t want to drown in the warm waters of ignorance.
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    I’d watch those rocks form space…

  • http://davestake.wordpress.com davestake

    I thought they articulated how most of us currently view Mr Obama. That you believe their take is from far right field demonstrates just how out of touch, and might I say, clueless, you are regarding the opinion of the general public.
    The only people who believe Obama is doing a great job are kool-ade drinking leftists like yourself.

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  • mickrussom

    If you support Obama and his Regime, you support a Statist authoritarian who is an empty suit who speaks in platitudes who is beholden to the oligarchical collectivists and banking cabals. You are against freedom, liberty and our constitutional republic and the notion that all of our rights are inborn and are given by our creator. Some autocrat in Washington does not grant rights – the constitution simply enumerates them for added protection. The constitution also limits the Powers of the Federal Government yet an expansionist authoritarian view is used in modern times contrary to what Madison had intended. If you support Obama you support the biggest threat to our free will in our history, and when the last bastion of freedom in the USA falls, there is nowhere else to go.

  • fbanta

    First, we require that the president take a solemn oath to “take care that the laws of the US are faithfully executed” before we endow him with any federal authority. He has no right to pick and choose the laws to be faithfully executed. If he doesn’t like a law, he is free to see if the People are willing to change it-but in the interim it is his job to assure that all are faithfully executed. Period.

    The president is knowingly and intentionally choosing not to enforce federal immigration laws: a clear violation of his oath of office; and his moral and legal Constitutional responsibility. He has chosen to obstruct Arizona attempts to comply with federal law even as he ignores numerous “sanctuary” cities that openly countermand federal law.

    No one has any authority to interfere with the voting process: not for politics, not for ‘street theater’; or any other reason. The DOJ initially thought this incident sufficiently serious to seek, and get an indictment; and a conviction: and to issue an injunction to keep these NBP thugs away from all polling places-until Holders DOJ reversed the judgment and gave the thugs a free pass.

    If the allegations of the ex-DOJ attorney that DOJ policies are now not to pursue any voter related prosecutions involving black perps and white victims (and this NBP incident certainly gives that policy claim credence) it makes this administration not only racist but contemptuous of the law they are sworn to uphold: making them unacceptable on both counts!

    To suggest that president Obama isn’t sympathetic to bomb-throwers is to call him a liar based on his own testimony in both his “autobiographies”; as verified by the personal and professional associations he has intentionally nurtured his entire adult life.

    As for the Gulf fiasco; the federal government netted $2.3 Billion for the lease including the Deepwater Horizon site: what for if not to properly supervise it? The federal government failed to enforce regulations on the books since 2000 requiring redundant Blow Out Preventers on the well; and requiring federal resources on site, to contain and recover any spills that may occur. In addition, the president intentionally refused experienced multi-national assistance that could have prevented any oil from reaching the coast: refused for purely selfish political purposes (Jones Act).

    President Obama has never missed a single opportunity to paint private sector employers in the worst possible light, accusing them of doing wrong when they did what federal law required or empowered them to do; and that federal insurance protected them from financial risk for: again for purely political (contribution) reasons.

    Obama deserves, and needs to be, impeached for extortion, dereliction of duty, and for his treachery.

  • thomaspaineamerica

    “It’s hard to imagine two prominent Republican pollsters slagging a sitting Republican President.”

    Get out of your bubble, Time!

    Time starts an article that is critical of a Democratic President with crude form of propaganda against Republicans. They cannot even find it in themselves to resist their wild thoughts of evil Republicans that must lurk in every corner. Republicans have no ethics and could never find it in themselves to speak against another Republican. Right!

    You are out there, big time!

    It is hard to imagine another mainstream magazine writing this type of naked
    propaganda. Stunning.

    You Sir, are a very misguided man!

    TPA

  • memmnon

    Obama is divisive because he is governing. Making choices every day is bound to please A and anger B.
    .
    Wait for 2012 you’ll see him create unity for the democratic party and the nation.
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    It’s actualy the best way to govern, if GWB had been less political durring his 8 years he could have gotten a lot more done for his side.

  • memmnon

    I will not bash you for your lack of understanding of the legal implications of the oath of office.
    .
    But you should know there is a great differance between execution and enforcment. All laws must not be enforced, they exist to protect the public well being and must be enforced only when they do so. Which doesnt mean there should not be perfect “execution” when the laws are enforced.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Earl,
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    You are numerically impaired.
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    Obama’s all time low was in April when HCR passed and has gone from a low of 43% to, now 48%.
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    He won 53% of the vote.
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    Follow the roller coaster from November 2008 until now and you will see a ten point drop in sixteen months followed by a five point rise in just under four months.
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    At this rate he will be back at 53%, enough to demolish any Republican running against him, by December 2010.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    dattmyar,
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    The point that this was a community filled with non-whites, a large majority black, generally dark skinned Latinos and whites who, by being the next door neighbors of blacks were not easily intimidated by blacks and, also, by having the same school system, police precinct and so on were extremely likely to vote with blacks in that voting station.
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    It was wrong, but, the man was banned from voting stations in the future for years to come, the NBPP suspended him clearly stating by doing so that that they either never intended to scare voters and did not approve of his being their or are very frightened of law enforcement and, therefore, will not let this happen again.
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    Yes, the NBPP is reverse racist and that is awful, but, no more awful than when the KKK says awful things about black people and do nothing at that time to harm black people. It is terrible speech but it is free speech.
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    Our tradition is to let people say the most horrible things in the world and, by also allowing the opposition, the speakers of horrible hate speech will loose every argument and look like the worst clowns in town.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Obama helped kill the 2007 Immigration Reform attempt. He supported Democratic amendmants to kill the guest worker provision that guaranteed collapse of GOP support. He killed the guest worker provision because organized labor did not support it.”
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    The guest worker program put any potential temporary workers in a completely subservient situation far beyond normal employer/employee relations.
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    On the one hand, if the worker is not paid minimum wage, not given safe working conditions, not paid for their work at all or face other illegal conditions they may not either organize a union or even make any complaint which would even temporarily suspend their work nor even given them the free market option of choosing a safer and better employer.
    .
    On the other hand, if a guest worker complains about mistreatment, you can bet that as soon as the employer gets sick of hearing complaints about the violation of safety laws they will just grab newer immigrants and send the “guest” home.
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    The “guest worker” would have made exploitation easy.
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    Also the Republicans wanted to make being an undocumented worker into a felony but not increase the punishment for the employer.
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    Want to sexually harass as many young, attractive immigrant women as possible because you are a low life? With making illegal immigration into a felony, all you have to do is hire many attractive, young women who are not here legally and blackmail them into not complaining about your sexual harassment of them or you’ll have the government send her to jail for years.
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    I don’t like rape, as Obama does not, either, so, he opposed that bill.
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    Republicans like exploitation and literal rape of women and Democrats don’t. That is why we see that bill in 2007 very differently.

  • poobah

    Soooo One or more black panthers with clubs in front of a polling place is “street theater”. When the police were conducting random stops in Florida, some distance from the polls – What did the liberal media have to say? It sure wasn’t street theater.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Zell Miller endorsed George W Bush.
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    He was not even standing by his party’s choice for president.
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    How could that make him anything other than Republican in cheap clothing?

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Carter was far, far brighter than Reagan.
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    Carter was a nuclear engineer, graduate of Annapolis and commander of a nuclear submarine.
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    Reagan was a C student a Eureka College during the second World War bravely announced sports to the soldiers.
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    Next Reagan, Gofer from the Love Boat was an intellectual.
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    But, then, again, Fred Grundy, aka Gofer from the Love Boat is a Republican, so, that may not be true.
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    If you are in Hollywood, the Republicans call you “the loony left”.
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    If you run for office like Fred Grundy, Fred Thompson, Sonny Bono, Charlton Heston and Arnold Schwarzenegger, Republicans call actors there men.
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    That way big business can hand them the script and they make it sound like they are acting in the public’s interest. It’s a good acting gig to be a Republic Party politician.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Did somebody flush a toilet at Fox and spill all of this diarrhea onto our blog or are these mostly other handles for Rusty/Newfreedombra?

  • newfreedomblog

    IQ53:
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    You calling me a racist is like Mickey Mouse calling Donald Duck a cartoon character.
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    Prove my racist remarks if you can. Oh that’s right, you can’t.
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    Next!!

  • 53_3

    “You calling me a racist is like calling Donald Duck a cartoon character.”
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    There. Fixed. Now to the next thing.
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    On the issue of proof that you are a racist:
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    Since being a racist is not illegal, and is protected by the First Amendment, the criminal standards of proof beyond a reasonable doubt do not apply.
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    This is a civil issue. The civil standard is that one must show a preponderance of evidence.
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    And by that standard, you have incriminated yourself literally dozens of times. The latest being the first comment on ‘Afternoon Miscellany’. I pointed out another at 7.15, and yesterday on another blog.
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    By all applicable standards, you are a racist.

  • 53_3

    Nope, these am the real stinkers in the flesh.
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    For the likes of Rusty, their putrid presence is like mouth to mouth resuscitation.
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    …by the frog prince…

  • 53_3

    Patrick:
    .
    One tactic that’s been apparent for a while is they will call out Joe Klein on other right wing blogs, then, as instructed, they will swarm over here in an effort to blow up Joe’s blogs.
    .
    It usually happens when Israel is taken to task, or Joe takes to task former fellows on the right (he’s moved pretty far away from them).
    .
    But this time, the issue is race, and I guess, these idiots need to vent their racial hatred somewhere.
    .
    One good thing I’ve noticed is that there are far fewer now. It’s an interesting trend, and I’d like to see if it continues…

  • 53_3

    “The only ones” is a small phrase with big implications, and maybe not the kind you are expecting. I think, unlike you, most people, however they perceive Obama, realize that this is 2010 and not 1963.
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    It’s time for you and your compatriots to stop bashing the Black community. It’s also time for you to recognize that you do not need to do any race baiting to get the conservative message out.
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    Only idiots like you and the rest of this foul brood feel the need to conflate racial hatred and conservatism.
    .
    Watch out for those rocks from space…

  • 53_3

    No, I am an American with a vote!
    .
    Fock all your bullsh!t!

  • 53_3

    They’re all tired from yesterdays hatefest…

  • k9af

    Joe seems a trifle miffed! But to his credit, he DID admit that both Cadell and Schoen made a valid point. Which sadly is more than Joe did.

  • pj2010b

    “The uncontroverted testimony of J. Christian Adams, a former attorney in the Voting Rights Section of the Civil Rights Division, shows that a high-ranking political appointee in the Department of Justice gave instructions that the Voting Rights Section was not going to bring cases “against black defendants on the benefit of white victims.”…

    ..Uncontroverted testimony adduced before the Commission shows that voters turned away after seeing members of the New Black Panther Party stationed outside the polling place. There is also uncontroverted testimony that voters expressed alarm at the presence of New Black Panther Party members and there is evidence that at least one voter was afraid to leave the polling place and pass by the New Black Panther Party members. At least one black poll watcher was called a “race traitor.””
    source: http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=Mjg5YzdkNDcyZmRjNjc3MTkyMDYxOGE2MTkzY2IyOTU=

    Obama ignores this, he condones it. Post racial president? LOL

  • groenhagen2
  • eddieknoll

    Joe Klein s a partisan hack. He should be run out of town (with Pinch who’s about to bankrupt the NYT), placed on a street corner with a cup, and a sign “Will Lie For Democrats”.

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