The Senate Does the Kabuki

I took an informal poll of Senate staffers from both sides of the aisle today. What do you think will get done by the time the Senate adjourns the end of next week? 99% of the answers: Um, Kagan?

The Senate is about to vote on the DISCLOSURE Act, the Democratic response to the Supreme Court ruling on Citizens United, it’ll fail. Next week the Senate will vote on an energy bill: it will also likely fail. Give near total GOP opposition to getting nearly anything done at this point and the looming elections, it feels like Democratic leaders are going through the motions of legislation without much enthusiasm. Energy vote? Check. Citizens United vote? Check. Debate on small business jobs bill? Check. Actually, the small business jobs bill is just about the only thing that might get through the Senate, aside from Elena Kagan. Though, an agreement on that is by no means a guarantee.

The House is adjourning at the end of this week for their August recess, a week ahead of schedule. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid last week flirted with keeping the Senate in an extra week – through August 13 – but that idea died quickly. Members are anxious to get home to campaign and the wind has long gone out of Democrats’ sails.

To be fair, considering this is an election year a lot more has been accomplished than I would have thought possible: health care reform, financial reregulation, a spate of small jobs bills and the supplemental. The silly season has come later than in cycles past. But it certainly has arrived now as members chafe to get home and their aides suffer from senioritis, their summer holidays tantalizingly close.

Often the Senate rushes out with a flurry of midnight votes before summer recess. This session, however, looks to go out more with a whimper than a bang.

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  • Paul-no not that one

    “The Senate is about to vote on the DISCLOSURE Act, the Democratic response to the Supreme Court ruling on Citizens United, it’ll fail. Next week the Senate will vote on an energy bill: it will also likely fail.”
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    I don’t know enough to be sure-and perhaps this is semantics-but none of those things are actually going to be voted on, are they?
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    By “it’ll fail” you mean not that they couldn’t pass but they won’t even be allowed on the floor for a vote?
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    Or am I confused?

  • newfreedomblog

    Some new videos!!

  • newfreedomblog

    Another video on the “Dream”.
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  • newfreedomblog

    What Mr Cain speaks of, is a dream for many Americans. It is a nightmare for our little liberal friends. It is Obama’s worst nightmare without a shadow of a doubt.
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    Let me save you some time. Here is Mr Cain’s biography.
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    http://www.hermancain.org/biography.asp

  • m0mentom0ri

    Rusty, I’m assuming this is your proof that Obama is the anti-Christ?
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    After all, you did say, “I am also not a religious zealot or fundamentalist, but this also REEKS in connections to writings I have read on how the Anti-Christ will take over the world. Just saying. ” (emphasis mine)
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    http://www.teapartypatriots.org/Status.aspx?username=newfreedomblog

  • m0mentom0ri

    He must not be one of those ‘welfare Blacks’ that are destroying your America, right Rusty?
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    http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/01/10/california-bust/#comment-122301

  • newfreedomblog

    Is that the best you have momentoad? You should try harder.

  • newfreedomblog

    Nope, Herman Cain is one of many great Black Americans who are now standing up and making their voices heard.
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    He is exposing the liberal lies which have been told for generations now. He is exposing the new slave masters who are THE Democrat Party.
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    You see momentoad, people in general like to be independent. They will move towards personal reponsibility, but the Democrat plan for them is to continue their dependence on the poverty level entitlement programs. Why?
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    The Democrats want these poor people to be dependent, to grasp for the few straws thrown at them simply to give their vote for continued welfare and Obama’s pie in the sky ideas of income redistribution.
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    I want to see blacks get out of their co-dependent relationship they have with you liberal loons. I want to see them successful, and have everything this country has to offer them.
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    You on the other hand, you want to see them in total despair. You want their neighborhoods riddled with drugs, gangs and violence.
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    Yea, who is the racist now, momentoad?

  • m0mentom0ri

    “Is that the best you have momentoad? You should try harder.”
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    If you insist.
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    Some more quotes from Rusty:
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    “I did research on Obama before he was elected. He is clearly on a pathological plan to destroy this country as we know it.”
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    “Ron Paul did NOT start the Tea Party Movement, FOOL. This movement was not started until Glenn Beck began his series of shows dealing with an out of control, corrupt Government led by the most Progressive Liberal President ever elected to office.”
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    “Read how the Federal Government is now going to take over all water rights in this country.”
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    “Joe Klein is a disgusting human being. He not only calls Tea Party folks “PIGS” but “RACISTS”. Are you going to stand by and let Joe Klein get away with this?”
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    “What we need to do is beat them at their own game. What are the old sayings? “Fight Fire with Fire”? Infiltrate their ranks with our own people, put people of our own kind on School Board Councils, Town Councils, Townships Supervisors, etc ”
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    “You are a one-sided piece of crap! The NAACP is a racist organization. The NAACP “resolution” to label the TEA Party and all of its members as racists is a lapdog of the Democrat’s Political Party tactic they have been using now for a long long time.”
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    “Wake up Black America.” “The DNCC is worse than any slave owner from the old plantation days in the deep south.”
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    This is who Rusty is.

  • m0mentom0ri

    “Yea, who is the racist now, momentoad?”
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    Based on this quote of yours…
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    “The DNCC is worse than any slave owner from the old plantation days in the deep south.”
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    I’d say, “You are.”

  • gum0nshoe

    Its still you.

    Most of the problems with the “black” people you keep referring to are poor people. But, you have to keep bringing color into it. You need to post a video from a black man to prove your point because you don’t feel a white man would be adequate against the people you are arguing against.

    That sounds very racist to me…

  • m0mentom0ri

    “You need to post a video from a black man to prove your point because you don’t feel a white man would be adequate against the people you are arguing against.”
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    Exactly. Rusty’s earlier direct attacks on ‘welfare Blacks’ as the problem didn’t work, so now he’s switched to a patronizing and condescending “I know what’s better for black people than black people do” tactic. He thinks calling black people ignorant will work better than blaming everything on them.
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    He’s either tone-deaf to his own words, or he just doesn’t care that he sounds racist, as long as he can lay blame where he thinks it belongs: with the ‘welfare Blacks’.

  • m0mentom0ri

    And I’m still curious, Rusty.
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    Do you think that Obama is the anti-Christ. Yes, no, or maybe?

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Well, lets see some government stats on Welfare for Rusty:
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    “Argument

    Here are the statistics on welfare recipients:

    Traits of families on AFDC (1)

    Race
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    White 38.8%
    Black 37.2
    Hispanic 17.8
    Asian 2.8
    Other 3.4

    Time on AFDC
    —————————
    Less than 7 months 19.0%
    7 to 12 months 15.2
    One to two years 19.3
    Two to five years 26.9
    Over five years 19.6

    Number of children
    ——————-
    One 43.2%
    Two 30.7
    Three 15.8
    Four or more 10.3

    Age of Mother
    ——————
    Teenager 7.6%
    20 – 29 47.9
    30 – 39 32.7
    40 or older 11.8

    Status of Father 1973 1992
    ————————————-
    Divorced or separated 46.5% 28.6
    Deceased 5.0 1.6
    Unemployed or Disabled 14.3 9.0
    Not married to mother 31.5 55.3
    Other or Unknown 2.7 5.5″
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    Of course these stats predate welfare reform which limits the amount of time one can get food stamps and “welfare” (not a legal term, it is often called “transitional assistance” or another name for the past few decades depending upon the state).
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    So, it is whites on welfare more often than blacks.
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    It is a far cry from the majority of the black community who receive government assistance.
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    http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-welfareblack.htm
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    Then you wonder why you get called Racist, Rusty.
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    At least have the courtesy to deal with welfare as a system and not as a race and make the observation that it is a rest stop inches above homelessness people use to get back from a terrible situation of extreme poverty.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Independents and Republicans were wondering why Obama, Pelosi and Reid were in such a hurry to get a vote on HCR.
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    There is a congenital illness among elected Democrats called bipartisan syndrome. It is the invisible, slow deterioration of the backbone until it turns into jello.
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    After 18 consecutive months Democrats do anything and everything the Republican leadership tells them to until after the next election cycle.

  • nflfoghorn

    OOO! OOO!!! I found a black guy that hates black people!!!
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    Sounds like that blind black Klansman from Chappelle’s Show.

  • gloriousglo2

    Clarence Thomas? I’m just sayin’…..

  • shepherdwong

    “He’s either tone-deaf to his own words, or he just doesn’t care that he sounds racist, as long as he can lay blame where he thinks it belongs: with the ‘welfare Blacks’.”
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    He’s nucking futs! The guy is a certifiable paranoid personality, he’s completely brainwashed in right-wing dogma and he hates you and every liberal or Democrat alive. I have no idea why you people keep attempting to argue with him, racist or not. Would you attempt to argue politics with a mental patient because he hates cats?

  • Friar Tuck

    No Rusty retrospective would be complete without mentioning
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    . . . wait for it . . .
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    The Sleeping White Giant.

  • m0mentom0ri

    “I have no idea why you people keep attempting to argue with him, racist or not. Would you attempt to argue politics with a mental patient because he hates cats?”
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    You’re right, of course, shepard.
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    There’s a fine line between rebutting a political point and getting into a shouting match with a lunatic. I should know better.

  • Paul-no not that one

    Okay The Physician has, as always, decided what the tread is about.
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    Bye.

  • stuartzechman

    That’s not true at all.
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    They’re being brave and principled when they insist on bipartisanship, not cowardly and weak.
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    They believe in this political philosophy that tells Democrats that they’re at their most wise, strong and honest when they defy their liberal base, and seek “pragmatic compromise.”
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    Take five minutes of your life, and read the stuff up at the Bipartisan Policy Center: http://www.bipartisanpolicy.org/
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    Look at it.
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    That’s the think tank, policy and messaging infrastructure representative of the Democratic Party.
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    It’s not that the national office Democrats we elect, vetted by the DSCC and the DCCC, and influenced at every turn by exposure to the consultant class, funding networks and think tank infrastructure are all Paul Wellstone liberals who somehow lose their backbones.
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    It’s that the entire Democrat establishment is pretty much dedicated to this political philosophy, a core principle of which is bipartisanship.
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    Look, spinelessness doesn’t begin to explain this:

    Majority Leader Hoyer Delivers Speech on Deficit Reduction at Third Way Event
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    WASHINGTON, DC – House Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer (MD) delivered remarks this morning on the imperative for solving the nation’s fiscal crisis, the need for bipartisan cooperation on this issue, and how to balance economic recovery with long-term deficit reduction, at a Third Way event at Union Station. Below are his remarks as prepared for delivery…

    Sometimes it’s their dedication to principles, backed up by the moneyed, established infrastructure, that causes establishment Democrats to behave in this counterproductive fashion.
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    Bipartisanship is New Democrats’ Saddam-al Qaeda connection. They believe in it, even if it’s demonstrably false.

  • 53_3

    I REALLY like that last Rusty-ism.
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    Rusty as a Black activist!
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    teeheeheehawheeHawwHAHaHAAHEEHAWHEEHAW!
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    oops. Sorry. I’ll have to get another of these rubber keyboards.
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    Does anyone think that Rusty will get any awards?
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    spp. Gryllidae…

  • ohiolibb

    “I have no idea why you people keep attempting to argue with him, racist or not. Would you attempt to argue politics with a mental patient because he hates cats?”
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    I have 2 reasons
    1. If you get him going, sometimes he’ll let the hate shine through. He’ll start hoping for the destruction of washington or the japanese or something, and then you get to laugh as he proceeds to blame his hate on someone else.
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    2. It’s just plain funny.

  • pintortwo

    “Ron Paul did NOT start the Tea Party Movement, FOOL. This movement was not started until Glenn Beck began his series of shows dealing with an out of control, corrupt Government led by the most Progressive Liberal President ever elected to office.”
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    Libertarians began planning the Tax Day Tea Parties in ’07. They were to be held regardless of who won the GE.
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    These protests were held 2 1/2 months after Obama’s inauguration– that shows how much of a charlatan Beck really is. He must have been planning his series from day 1 of the Obama presidency. Beck and FOX got on-board (hijacked the movement really) only after a democrat won the executive office and well before any of Obama’s agenda was initiated.

  • 53_3

    So Rusty digs out a conservative Black American and thinks that this will absolve him of being a racist!!
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herman_Cain
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    “There’s his bio. Now, for the next problem.
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    He is exposing the new slave masters who are THE Democrat Party…They will move towards personal reponsibility, but the Democrat plan for them is to continue their dependence on the poverty level entitlement programs.”
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    Let me point out that Rusty has implied here that:
    1. The entire Black community is dependent on entitlement programs.
    2. The entire Black community is unable to exercise it’s own free will.

    These two implications are based on even more base assumptions.
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    Rusty, but implication, is stating that Black Americans cannot think for themselves and are easily duped, gullible people.
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    Yet another classic example of race baiting brought to you by Rusty the Racist
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    Thank you…

  • 53_3

    I would like to point out that I have taken apart the latest race-baiting attempt by Rusty piece by piece at comment 3.13.
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    I call for an end to race-baiting on Swampland.

  • 53_3

    Patrick:
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    Thanks for the facts.
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    Unfortunately, Rusty is a racist, and as such, he don’t need no stinkin’ numbers…

  • 53_3

    Friar!
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    You done stole my thunder.
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    Here’s a beer…

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    We’ve been over this and I do understand that there is an extreme push inside and outside of the party to shove Democrats into this lukewarm half-a third way mentality, but, when Democratic leadership through Pelosi, Reid and the president all try and rally the troops, they act out of fear when it is near election season.
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    I do know that few candidates run saying that they’ll split the baby and make compromise after compromise with Republicans.
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    They run on a platform of HCR, Immigration Reform, Financial Reform and things liberals agree on.
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    I believe that the entire third way strategy is cowardly since, if the people hear liberal ideas and elect you, then don’t be afraid to follow through with your promises.
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    The Republicans now have the Tea Party pulling them even further to the right and, as far as I can tell, the unelectable and impractical far right.
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    The Green Party is weak.
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    There is nobody to the left Democrats fear offending but there are many on the right they fear offending in case election day is rainy day and unenthusiastic liberals do not bother to vote.
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    I am well aware of an intentional third way movement since that is one of your motifs and respect your opinion.
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    I wish there was a way there could be a Whiskey Party on the left which could scare Democrats back to their promises as there is the Tea Party pulling Republicans to the right.

  • 53_3

    FYI, here’s a tidbit on a conservative website that might be of interest while you are enjoying Rusty’s latest race-baiting effort.
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    http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/36837_Fox_News_Has_No_Black_Viewers_to_Alienate

  • shepherdwong

    “Sometimes it’s their dedication to principles, backed up by the moneyed, established infrastructure, that causes establishment Democrats to behave in this counterproductive fashion.
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    Bipartisanship is New Democrats’ Saddam-al Qaeda connection. They believe in it, even if it’s demonstrably false.”

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    Stuart, you really name the “principles” “Third-Way Democrats” are dedicated to in the first paragraph (that and despising the liberal base), rather than the second. Seriously, you put way to much stock in their rhetoric. Not to put too fine a point on it but “the moneyed, established infrastructure” is their main “principle”, the bi-partisanship is…Kabuki.

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    The democrats and the repukes have been cooking the books for years to insure a third party does not have a chance. The best bet is to stay home until the demos find room for the Left. They may only make up 20% of the population, but that is almost half the demo party. The only way to get their attention is to make sure they lose without you. We have their attention at the moment but only because they need votes. Starve them of those votes and maybe we won’t see more war mongering like we did today.

  • stuartzechman

    patricksartor:
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    I wish there was a way there could be a Whiskey Party on the left which could scare Democrats back to their promises as there is the Tea Party pulling Republicans to the right.
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    You’re completely right.
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    We just have to do it.

  • stuartzechman

    shepherdwong:
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    Seriously, you put way to much stock in their rhetoric.
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    I know that you think that, and that it can seem that way, but you’re not reading what I’m reading:

    PPI | Policy Report | September 22, 1995
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    A New Deal for Medicare and Medicaid
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    Building a Buyer’s Market for Health Care
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    By David B. Kendall
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    Republican proposals fall short of any real change in Medicare’s structure, offering little more than a more tightly regulated version of the status quo — the welfare state on the cheap — that could actually increase Medicare’s reliance on bureaucratic fiat to manage costs.
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    Democrats have failed dismally to take a single step toward a constructive alternative, choosing instead to take cheap shots from the sidelines that reinforce their party’s image as an intellectually bankrupt coalition of stakeholders in the welfare state.
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    Lost in the partisan squabbling is any clear recognition that: (1) it is not only possible but essential to restrain Medicare and Medicaid costs through fundamental reform that exposes health care entitlements to the same competitive forces and delivery strategies now transforming the private health care sector; and (2) only through such fundamental changes in the health care entitlements can the nation afford to move toward comprehensive health care reform.

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    The Need for Structural Reform
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    The most fundamental problem of Medicare and Medicaid is obvious: soaring costs. After adjusting for inflation, the total cost of Medicare and Medicaid has grown sixfold in the 30 years since both programs were created…
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    Aside from rising numbers of eligible beneficiaries, the structure of Medicare and Medicaid boosts costs. Put simply, the health care entitlements fail to employ rudimentary market mechanisms to govern the supply and demand — and thus the price — for services, relying instead on arbitrary and politically driven regulations.

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    The PPI Proposal

    Over five years, the proposal would:

    # Privatize Insurance for Medicare Beneficiaries.
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    Medicare would be changed from a government-run, fee-for-service health insurance plan to a system in which Medicare beneficiaries would choose private health insurance plans, selected from menus offered by competing, voluntary private sector consumer cooperatives.
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    The government would subsidize insurance purchases through individual Health Purchasing Accounts, at an amount set by the average price of competing plans, keyed to a benchmark benefit package, rather than to budgetary goals as Republicans have proposed.
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    Beneficiaries could choose cheaper plans and secure broader coverage or cash rebates; or they could choose more expensive plans, including a fee-for-service option and pay a premium for the difference.

    This approach is superior to conservative proposals to voucherize Medicare in three crucial respects: It preserves Medicare’s collective purchasing power; it strengthens the position of individual beneficiaries through negotiation by cooperatives; and it protects the value of the subsidy against inflation.

    # Cap and Deregulate Medicaid.
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    Per capita Medicaid payments to the states would be capped with states given broad latitude to cut costs by enrolling beneficiaries in private health insurance plans, preferably by adapting the competitive system of consumer cooperatives set up by the federal government for Medicare.
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    After an extensive campaign to promote the use of private long-term care insurance, total spending in each state for Medicare long-term care would be capped to avoid a massive influx into the program of middle-class nursing home patients when the baby boom generation begins to retire.

    Recognize any of this, shepherdwong?
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    It’s from 1995!
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    I really and truly hope that you take the time and trouble to read through all of it.
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    This isn’t just rhetoric, it’s policy, supported by investment group dollars, think tank research and messaging shop creativity. It’s an agenda that’s far, far more profound than mere rhetoric.
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    This is the real thing. It’s the policy they will inevitably try to enact as close to the ideals laid out in their think tanks’ proposals.
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    I’m not trying to win an argument here.
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    They are going to attempt to enact a Third Way between the Republicans’ private investment accounts –Social Security voucherization– and a Social Security that isn’t borrowed against by the rest of the rapacious, DOD-funding federal government.
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    They have already got their policy lined up to go…they figured it out over fifteen years ago, and started to message it adequately over five years ago. Now they’re doing it. They’re in power, so they can.
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    You watch, shepherdwong, it won’t be just rhetoric when it comes to their policy. They’ve been waiting for this “historic” moment for a long, long time.

  • stuartzechman

    Just in case you wanted to read the Progressive Policy Institute’s whole policy proposal I quoted above, here’s the link:
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    http://www.ppionline.org/ppi_ci.cfm?contentid=1430&knlgAreaID=111&subsecid=141
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    “Progressive” Policy Institute…no wonder many liberal Democrats are confused.

  • stuartzechman

    Hey patricksartor, you might appreciate this:
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    http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/07/27/no-newt/comment-page-2/#comment-185178
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    Let it never be said that I disagree with Joe Klein for the sake of disagreement. When he’s right, he’s right.

  • shepherdwong

    This isn’t just rhetoric, it’s policy, supported by investment group dollars, think tank research and messaging shop creativity. It’s an agenda that’s far, far more profound than mere rhetoric.

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    Wouldn’t dispute that for a minute, Stuart. The point is, it’s a corporatist, “conservative” agenda. It’s why we got Bob Dole’s health care reform, Goldman Sach’s Fiscal policy and Bill Kristol’s Afghan surge.
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    Look at it this way, bi-partisanship is the method by which elected Democrats holding huge majorities compromise with relatively powerless Republicans to enact less-than-progressive policies. “Bi-partisanship” roughly translates to “working in approximate cooperation in service of the desires of our oligarchs”. Doesn’t have the quite the same ring to it though, does it?

  • http://willowhaven.wordpress.com willowhaven

    I just wanted to point out that the exact page you cited says the following:

    “Blacks comprise only 12 percent of the nation, but, according to the above figures, they comprise 37 percent of the welfare rolls. This should not be surprising; in 1994, blacks had a poverty rate of 33 percent. We should not, of course, think it unusual to find poor people on welfare. Consequently, discussions of race and welfare must turn on different issues.

    The most prevalent question is why there are so many blacks in poverty. Liberals argue that it is the result of continuing racism and discrimination, especially at hiring time. Conservatives have argued a variety of other causes: moral shortcomings, poor work ethic, even intellectual inferiority. Another important question is whether welfare causes poverty.”

    SO…you gave statistics that show that whites have a higher welfare percentage while disregarding the fact that blacks come in a close second even though their population is a minority. Kind of misleading…hmmm? Perhaps you should have cited another source… LOL

  • newfreedomblog

    Poor little IQ53 and his band of talking heads just can’t resist calling anyone they disagree with a “racist” even when there is no mention what-so-ever of race.
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    I guess following the party line is the main factor in all of their comments. Follow exactly what you are being told to do.
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    I think I remember the same argument given from their side about conservatives….hmmmmm.
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    You people are nothing but a big joke. You do not wish or want any form of debate. You just want your side to win at all cost. Nothing more.
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    You are not even worth my time to respond. Have fun commenting on my posts, and enjoy masterbating each others egos.

  • 53_3

    willows:
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    “The most prevalent question is why there are so many blacks in poverty.”
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    Actually, when you look at the context in which Patrick posted this, it wasn’t a debate about why there were proportionately more, but instead, it was a push back over Rusty’s implied claim that all Black Americans are. See my commentary at 3.13 drawing a line from Rusty’s commentary to point !.
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    “Liberals argue that it is the result of continuing racism and discrimination, especially at hiring time. Conservatives have argued a variety of other causes: moral shortcomings, poor work ethic, even intellectual inferiority. Another important question is whether welfare causes poverty.”
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    This is a political answer to a social question. The “conservative” answers are all wrong, and generally racist to begin with, but the “liberal” answers given here are incomplete.
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    The actual answer is that things don’t change overnight. Particularly when change as deep as the Civil Rights Act dictates. The most important single factor in the post civil rights era has been the mainstreaming into white America’s psyche some very, very serious urban myths about the Black community as a whole.
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    As a result of 35+ years of “angry white male”, “Southern Strategy”, and the current “tribalism” we see, many white Americans are actually pretty badly informed when it comes to the Black community.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “”I wish there was a way there could be a Whiskey Party on the left…
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    We just have to do it.”
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    Okay, you live in Manhattan and I live in Queens, I bring the Bushmills and you bring the Scotch.
    . :)
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    In days gone by, it was the labor unions who were the left of the Democratic Party, but, as there are many reasons for the decline of unions, there isn’t much structure left to liberals.
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    Many forget that MLK was assassinated when in Memphis to support a Garbage strike and that union leadership at that time – even if rank and file members were not always in line with this – were both a major part of both the Civil Rights Movement and the Peace Movement.
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    During civil rights, there was a strong religious left which is now, mostly, apolitical or conservative.
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    I am not saying that being a part of the New York State Liberal Party or the Green Party is anything other than a good idea, but, it will be a time consuming uphill battle to get Democrats, especially outside of NYC and NYS in more, if you will, purple parts of the country (not really red and not really blue) to fear loosing their liberal base.
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    IMO if you promise a liberal agenda when running for office and hope for (usually without results) conservative or otherwise Republican leaning votes in the general election and, therefore, break your promises, I can not call that having a backbone.
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    As it is, I am not happy with Democrats in the NYS legislature who engaged in that moronic thing where they, literally locked the Republicans out of the building when the Republicans tried a cheap trick to get the speaker’s post from the Democrats.
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    It reminds me of when my brother and I, before our Mom came home from work used to lock each other out of the house, but, we weren’t state legislators, we were something like 11 and 13 years old.

  • 53_3

    Rusty, you are positively sick:
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    “I want to see blacks get out of their co-dependent relationship they have with you liberal loons. I want to see them successful, and have everything this country has to offer them.”—-Rusty 3.3
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    “Yea, who is the racist now, momentoad?”—–Rusty 3.3
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    Next, did you notice I did not say one word about Mr. Cain other than to post Wiki’s bio? Did you also notice that in my commentary at 3.13, I pulled apart the implications drawn from your statements at 3.3?
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    Posting that vid isn’t race baiting.
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    Your commentary at 3.3, espousing racist theories and conjectures, were!

  • 53_3

    Rusty:
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    Your comments at 3.3 were FULL of conjectures and racist innuendos about race!

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Bulls hit!
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    You aren’t really leaving us alone and going back to the children’s table where you belong, are you?
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    Really?
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    Rusty, in the relatively short time I have been here (compared to you), you have done nothing but toss random, useless, weak and irritating right wing talking points from Fox and other right wing sources at us and, until about a month ago when the two of us were in a serious insult war and you, by stopping insulting me, called a default truce with me tossed ad hominem insults at everybody who disagreed with you.
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    Lately you have tossed ad hominem insults at almost everybody who disagrees with you except for me.
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    I can’t imagine you being gone more than 48 hours before you have the urge to get rhetorically decimated by liberals.
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    Good riddance.

  • ilikechips

    Newfreedom- great posts.

    you just spanked 53-3 and made him look like a fool. He’s probably crying all over his mommy’s computer.

  • ilikechips

    fatpatrick. lol accusing somebody of using republican talking points..Thats all you do is cut and paste from ultra liberal websites. You have no thoughts of your own. You pretend to be smart by posting long pastings from other sites. I think most people realize this already.

    Now go back to the all you can eat buffet!

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    53.
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    I hope you know that 8.2 was to Rusty and his claim that he is going to ignore us all and not post, not you.

  • 53_3

    No, ilikechips, I’m sitting here putting together a website front end.
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    Have to work early some days. You know. Work? Yeah, that stuff.
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    Also, I might point out that I’d like to see everyone “spank” me the way Rusty did. 40 years experience in the Black community is an asset, not a fault.
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    He spanked me soooooo hard that his arse is stinging…

  • 53_3

    I’m fatter than Patrick is. Balder too. Hecks!
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    I’m not only fat and bald and white, but I’m old too!
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    Pick on someone your own size, ilikechips.
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    Take up wrestling fleas…

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Compared to James Gandolfini I am tall thin man.
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    But I am nice guy, so, don’t worry,
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    Just don’t make up sht about people you don’t know.

  • 53_3

    That couldn’t make me happier, Patrick. I called for an end to race-baiting at 6.
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    Me and Rusty go way back…

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Thats all you do is cut and paste from ultra liberal websites.”
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    Wikipedia, CBS, ABC, NBC, NYT and The Wall Street Journal are Ultra Liberal?
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    Take easy on the lead pain chips no matter how much you like them.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    I forgot!
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    I also used that left wing source called Webster’s dictionary.
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    Lead paint chips, if you consider everybody outside of Fox and AM radio talk show hosts, Andrew Brietbart and the Drudge Report to be far left, you are completely out of touch with reality.
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    Reality had a liberal bias.

  • stuartzechman

    You might have something there, patricksartor.
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    Can you maybe make it to Drinking Liberally one night?

  • ohiolibb

    Poor little IQ53 and his band of talking heads just can’t resist calling anyone they disagree with a “racist” even when there is no mention what-so-ever of race
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    Actually, rusty, we’ve been calling you racist because you say racist things. Or is this one of those cases where you say racist things, resort to racist stereotyping, and believe one race is mentally inferior without actually being racist?

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Can you maybe make it to Drinking Liberally one night?”
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    I’ll look into it.
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    I don’t believe I had heard of them before, but, it sounds good.
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    I’ll get back to you after I join their email list.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “The actual answer is that things don’t change overnight. Particularly when change as deep as the Civil Rights Act dictates.”
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    I agree with you.
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    As much as our society admires the rags to riches story, it is, primarily that, a story.
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    No, I do not mean that we are medieval aristocracy with no class mobility, but, if you look at, in reality, the number of generations between peasant farmer to POTUS and it many generations.
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    The Irish, the first major immigrant group who had just about exactly the same things said about us as, later, Italians a generation later and Latinos have said about them today took from the huge migration of the potato famine of 1847 until 1960 to make that transition – 113 years.
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    Like anybody else, if it happened before my birth or when I was a young child it might as well have happened one thousand years ago, but, only three years before I was born was the last civil rights act. (I was born in 1971).
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    So, considering that we have not had an Italian-American president, only one Catholic VP in history (Joe Biden) among other things, we should have always expected that it would take approximately 100 to 150 years for Blacks to have had the generations of gradual success needed to be evenly represented in the middle and upper income groups.
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    It is no surprise.
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    That does not mean that more than nothing should be done for all of the nation’s disadvantaged by working more on improving poorly performing schools in all impoverished communities and to make higher education an affordable reality, but, especially considering that this is not even on the national agenda, don’t expect to see anybody who had poor grandparents to be represented equally among the CEOs, Senators, Presidents or even college professors. Those are, with very few exceptions, the children and grandchildren of the middle income to wealthy, not people who grew up in housing projects or trailer parks.

  • shibha

    I had to look up Kabuki. Usually it’s Klein who makes me open the dictionary :)

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