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There Will Be An Energy Bill…soon.

Why? Because there is a Supreme Court ruling, now three years old, that carbon dioxide is a poison that needs to be cleaned up. Next year, the Environmental Protection Agency will begin regulating the hell out of Co2. The business community won’t like that, nor will many Republicans. “Putting a price on carbon is the only alternative,” says Senator Maria Cantwell, who has offered a bill–with Maine Republican Susan Collins as co-sponsor–that would force the 2000 top polluters to participate in an auction to purchase the right to spew; 75% of the income would be returned as a “dividend” to taxpayers, the other 25% would go to alternative energy. “There’s no question that we will have a bill before the EPA regulations kick in.” (Senator Lindsey Graham told me something very similar a few months ago and said he was certain that more than a few of his Republican colleagues would vote for putting a price on carbon.)

And so, yesterday’s death of environmental legislation should be considered a pre-election maneuver. Given a choice between taxes and potentially punitive regulations, the wise–the more elegant; the less expensive–choice is a tax every time. (Which is why I’m disappointed that there wasn’t a tax on toxic financial-derivative trading in the Financial Reform bill.) It is an essential conservative principle: you tax the things you want to discourage. Pollution is certainly one; dependence on foreign fossil fuels is another–and that’s why I hope the next iteration of energy legislation is called: The National Defense Conservation Act.

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  • kevin

    It is an essential conservative principle: you tax the things you want to discourage.
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    This needs to be repeated, as often as possible.
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    The cap-and-trade proposal that conservatives now denounce as a socialist scheme to redistribute the wealth was hatched as a conservative idea, a way to avoid strict regulation and use the free market to get the same result.
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    It was dreamed up by C. Boyden Gray in the first Bush administration:
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    http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/Presence-of-Mind-Blue-Sky-Thinking.html
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    And, more recently, a cap-and-trade proposal was the official policy of the McCain-Palin presidential campaign:
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    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_1N3cxhPVIxc/Slxl0woWUBI/AAAAAAAABas/sm3aC_BYDgc/s1600-h/mccain+palin+env+jpg2.jpg
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    Only now that Democrats have embraced a Republican idea have Republicans decided that it’s a horrible, horrible idea.
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    This is, of course, a result of the fact that Republican ideology seems to mean nothing more than “whatever the Democrats are for, we’re against — updated daily!”

  • kevin

    As this article makes clear, the differences between Obama-Biden and McCain-Palin on cap-and-trade was merely one of degree, not difference:
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    The non-profit League of Conservation Voters (LCV), America’s leading voice for environmental advocacy within electoral politics, would prefer to see Obama elected president given his environmental track record and plans for the future. While both candidates favor instituting a mandatory “cap-and-trade” program (whereby the federal government allows polluters to trade for the right to emit a reduced overall amount of greenhouse gases), Obama is for more strident cuts. He would like to see the U.S. reduce its greenhouse gas emissions by some 80 percent by 2050, while McCain supports only cutting back by 65 percent. Both candidates have authored legislation in the Senate designed to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, although no such bills have come close to passing.

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    http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=picking-a-green-candidate

  • kevin

    Here’s a full copy of the McCain-Palin document I linked to in the first post:
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    John McCain and Sarah Palin will establish a market-based system to curb greenhouse gas emissions, mobilize innovative technologies, and strengthen the economy. They will work with our international partners to secure our energy future, create opportunities for American industry, and leave a better future for our children.
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    They have proposed a cap-and-trade system that would reduce greenhouse gas emissions while encouraging the development of low-cost compliance options. A climate cap-and-trade mechanism would set a limit on greenhouse gas emissions and allow entities to buy and sell rights to emit, similar to the successful acid rain trading program of the early 1990s. The key feature of this mechanism is that it allows the market to decide and encourage the lowest-cost compliance options.
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    A cap-and-trade system harnesses human ingenuity in the pursuit of alternatives to carbon-based fuels. Market participants are allotted total permits equal to the cap on greenhouse gas emissions. If they can invent, improve, or acquire a way to reduce their emissions, they can sell their extra permits for cash. The profit motive will coordinate the efforts of venture capitalists, corporate planners, entrepreneurs, and environmentalists around the common goal of reducing emissions.
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    To support the cap-and-trade system, a McCain-Palin
    Administration will promote the innovation, development, and deployment of advanced technologies. They will reform federal government research funding and infrastructure to support the
    cap-and-trade emissions reduction goals and emphasize the commercialization of low-carbon technologies.
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    John McCain and Sarah Palin believe that an effective and sustainable climate policy must also support rapid economic growth. They will use a portion of auction proceeds to reduce the impact on low-income American families. The McCain-Palin plan will accomplish this in part by incorporating measures to mitigate any economic cost of meeting emission targets.

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    http://www.tdbimg.com/files/2009/07/…/-environment-mccain_12271399362.pdf
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    This was the official position of the last Republican presidential ticket, and yet today, Republicans act as though it’s some crazy socialist scheme they’ve always opposed.
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    Here’s Sarah Palin — just eight months after she ran on a cap-and-trade platform — denouncing it as a “cap-and-tax plan” that would destroy the economy.
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    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/13/AR2009071302852.html
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    In “1984,” Big Brother tried to convince people that “we have always been at war with Eastasia.” In 2010, Republicans are trying to convince people that they have always been at war with cap-and-trade.

  • newfreedomblog

    “This is, of course, a result of the fact that Republican ideology seems to mean nothing more than “whatever the Democrats are for, we’re against — updated daily!”

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    Just like Joe Klein you are full of crap and lies. Admit it once in your sorry life.
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    The Cap n’ Tax bill is nothing like the proposals put forth by Democrats as it is described in the Republican proposals you speak of. Nothing like it at all with the exception that spewing carbon, which has not been proven at all that it is harmful to the environment by big Fat Al Gore the sex maniac and the rest of his environmentalist nuts, should be controlled like they did with the emission of sulfur dioxide that caused acid rain.
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    The legislation proposed which has been thankfully defeated, and what Joe the liar Klein is opinionating on is nothing more than a flim-flam deal for spreading the wealth. It is another Obama redistribution of wealth scheme. A scheme to tax AIR.
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    The result of the tax is the average American’s electricity bills will rise “significantly” as was touted by Obama not long ago. It is a way for his corrupt friends and pals to make a ton of money off of selling a ton of air. Nothing more. It will not have any affect on the environment, and has everything to do with how much money they can stuff down into their pockets.
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    In order to make even a dent in the current climate situation, across the world you would have to shut down all factories, stop all cars and trucks on the roads, turn off all electric power plants, and make everyone pick $hit with the chickens for a living.
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    Then the result would be less than 1/2 of 1% of what nature naturally spews into the environment. Go figure.

  • kevin

    Thanks for proving my point, Rusty.
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    The conservative media machine insists on things that simply are not true, and you dutifully obey. Good doggie.

  • newfreedomblog

    http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/globalwarming.html?q=globalwarming.html
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    There you go little kevie. Explain all of the graphs on this website and correlate it to your garbage you spew.

  • kevin

    The “garbage I spew” comes from Smithsonian Magazine, Scientific American, and official policy papers from the McCain-Palin campaign.
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    If you want to make the case that all of those people are lying and your conspiracy-theory website is right, feel free.
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    Tell me, do you agree with everything at that site?
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    Like the assertion that George H.W. Bush was involved in the assassination of John F. Kennedy?
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    http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/JFK/jfk.html
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    Like the claim that Hawaii is not really a state?
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    http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/HAWAII/hawaii.html
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    Or maybe the claim that 9/11 was planned by the George W. Bush administration?
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    http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/9-11BasicQuestions.html
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    That’s the source you’re relying on, Rusty. A site that thinks all of that insane stuff, and much much more. That’s how insane your climate change denialism is.

  • newfreedomblog

    Here you go little kevie. Explain this.
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  • newfreedomblog

    No I do not believe most of the crap on the site. As a matter of fact most of it is leftist propaganda as you so accurately point out. But the ONE source of graphs which all come from reputable organizations is the point.
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    Watch the video I also posted below from one of Obama and Van Jone’s best pals and buddies. HE even says it is all nothing but a farce and all the actions that are being proposed will do NOTHING to stop what you all claim is going on with global warming and climate change.
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    Are not Joel Rogers and Van Jones two of the biggest environmental activists on the planet?

  • kevin

    You have zero credibility. I’m not going to argue with you anymore than I would with the homeless guy who keeps screaming that 9/11 was an inside job. You’re insane, and you’re an attention whore.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Rusty,
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    I am so glad Kevin took you on.
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    Fridays and Mondays may be my slowest work day during the Summers, but, it is such a waste of time arguing – not debating – with you when you are in such an extreme state of denial.
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    “Just like Joe Klein you are full of crap and lies. Admit it once in your sorry life…There you go little kevie. Explain all of the graphs on this website and correlate it to your garbage you spew…No I do not believe most of the crap on the site. As a matter of fact most of it is leftist propaganda as you so accurately point out. But the ONE source of graphs which all come from reputable organizations is the point…”
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    Then you wonder why personal insults get tossed back at you.
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    I just noticed something. I believe that you are very short. Why? Because your insult again and again at others is “little”.
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    I guess it means that or that you are poorly endowed. “Little” is a very rare insult for somebody you have never seen and, if I am not mistaken, Kevin described himself as very tall.
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    Is there a sane conservative in the house?
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    Anybody?
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    I suspect you and your wingnuts are so rabid that you embarrass the crap out of sane, reasonable conservatives so that they are reluctant to post here.

  • newfreedomblog

    Like I have said a million times now to you. I could care less what you or any other liberal loon on this site thinks.

  • newfreedomblog

    Yea little kevie when even liberal people like Joel Rogers who has been one of the biggest environmental activists says that what is proposed will have no affect what-so-ever on controlling carbon, you still shove your head into the sand and pop up like a gopher shouting “ACK!!! THE SKY IS FALLING, THE SKY IS FALLING”
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    Whose the lunatic now?

  • kevin

    Whose the lunatic now?
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    The one of us who relies on a conspiracy theory site to disprove global warming? The one of us who can’t use “who’s” correctly?
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    I don’t care what graphs you find on your 9/11 Truther websites, and I don’t care what heavily edited, out of context videos you find on YouTube, I’m not buying.
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    Just because it’s on the internet, that doesn’t mean it’s true, Rusty. Someone who trots out multiple fake identities on this site, like you do, should know that better than anyone.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “I could care less what you or any other liberal loon on this site thinks.”
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    First, the phrase is “I couldn’t care less.” Otherwise you are saying that we are more important than somethings but not others.
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    Second, if so, then why don’t you, 3X, Earl and Freeinpa just form a list serve and toss back and forth jokes and insults about liberals where we will not see your remarks and you won’t have to deal with us, either.

  • kevin

    That may be the perfect distillation of Rusty:
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    He cares so little about what we think, that he keeps arguing with us, over and over and over again. A million times!

  • enerhope

    Boys! Please! Calm down…

    Cap and trade would have succeeded if the Obama team had copied the successful 1990′s cap and trade systems for smog and acid rain emissions from electricity generators: a hard cap, free allocation of allowances to a limited, small group of specified large, direct emitters, a strong registry to record all transactions, effective monitoring, no taxes, no subsidies.

    Unfortunately, the Obama team promoted a huge cap and trade system for 85% of the USA’s ghg emissions. The plan quickly went off the rails, and became increasingly distorted by politics.

    Check this site: http://www.enerhope.com

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Boys! Please! Calm down…”
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    It’s funny how people come across so differently online.
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    I had half an hour off, work from home and took a nap.
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    For the wingnuts I am ready to just save up a list of comments and responding insults and just copy and paste the most appropriate ones every day.
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    Why would regulating fewer entities be close to as effective as regulating more entities in short, Tom (presuming that this is you) and what would prevent the many non-regulated from picking up the pace and making up for the savings?

  • apr2563

    You know there is a tradition called shunning. West Point and the Amish participate in shunning when they are unhappy with one of their group.
    My suggestion regarding NewRusty is to shun him. When he comments, rather than responding to him directly respond to another participant on Swampland with your opinion on one of his crackpot screeds. He does have a need for attention. Deny giving him any direct response. He will of course use one of his multiple personalities. But, he still will be unhappy.
    I have noticed when I don’t respond to him directly he gets shriller. It is fun to watch.

  • deconstructiva

    apr, I’ll give it a try (again), though we’ve had a lousy track record of ignoring what-his-names.

  • drschminke

    Cap and Trade (Carbon Tax, whatever) is dead. Best news in a LONG time, if you are an American who cares anything about investment, economic growth, standard of living, etc. A few Econ 101 principles:
    1) Anything you tax (economic activity and growth) you get less of
    2) Anything you subsidize (‘green’ energy) you will get more of
    3) …And please–no drivel about ‘green’ jobs. Any industry that survives solely because of a subsidy (or mandate, or tarriff)–think ‘Ethanol’–is by definition an economic waste. Those economic resources could have been put to work better (more profitably, less wastefully, and probably ‘greener’, too if the truth be known) SOMEWHERE ELSE. Cap and Trade–and ‘green’ energy–are guaranteed to be ethanol-writ-large.

  • kbanginmotown

    @apr: Thanks for coming on board! Let’s take it further…
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    “Shunning Mondays”
    “Time-Out Tuesdays”
    “Walk-on-By Wednesdays”
    “No-Feeding Thursdays”
    “Ignore-the-Furniture Fridays”
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    Now, that’s a Swamp-week I could get used to!
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  • Ivy_B

    I’m in — and have been!

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Well, Dr Shminke,
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    If you tax CO2 you will have less of it.
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    Agreed.
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    So alternatives will grow.
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    Also, those charges would displace taxes lowering taxes on everything else.
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    As an American, I am very, very disappointed.
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    Maybe you are unaware that oxygen only exits in our air due to pant life as a byproduct of photosynthesis why CO2 is very plentiful in the subterranean.
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    So, add in our CO2 and remove some of the oxygen, our planets very specific air mixture changes and chaotically impacts our planet’s weather system.
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    How could being an American mean that, as the producers of 25% of man made CO2 that we should not want to lower that amount?

  • eddieknoll

    Joe Klein is a Democrat Prostitute who has no credibility. Anything he posts caan be safley ignored.

  • eddieknoll

    Safely ignored even <Smile)…

  • http://patriotson.wordpress.com patriotson

    Well, there it is. “You tax anything you want to discourage.” Now we see the socialist ideology of the government in that estates must be taxed in order to discourage the proposition that one should work hard and build an estate for the next generation to take over and expand.

    EPA is headed for a painful death when the socialist and ideologs are kicked out of the congress and white house in the next two years. They, through Obama making them a fourth arm of government with powers greater than the congress and unconstitutional powers to regulate industry and private lives, must have a stake driven through its heart. The radical nature of the agency is enough to warrent its death. It is the culmination of all radicals and has become a black hole for free enterprise in America.

  • eddieknoll

    The EPA was created by Richard Nixon, who Was a Crook, and the Original RINO. He offered the murderer Ted Kennedy Socialized Medicine twice and Ted turned him down. Hopefully they are both roasting in Hell at this very moment…

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Well, there it is. “You tax anything you want to discourage.”
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    Yes, radical socialist put taxes on molasses, sugar, tobacco, alcohol and put up protective barriers by taxing imports.
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    Those radical socialists who took over the US government were named: George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, Jame Monroe.
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    Shockingly these nanny state leftists predated the term “socialist” by about half a century!
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    Patriotson, learn history and you will discover that taxing the wealthiest and taxing undesirable things are among the very first things done by a democratic country.
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    If you want toxic air and water, feel free to be a Mexican Patriot. They’ll have plenty of air pollution and water pollution to dramatically shorten the lives of you and your family.
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    Please change your handle to “Oilcompanyexecutive” since being against the government taxing things which are deemed harmful and/or luxuries to society is an American tradition from the Washington Administration.

  • chillycat88

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