Sherrod’s “Teachable Moment”

On the heels of the Justice Department’s controversial dropping a case of voter intimidation against the New Black Panthers and, as Marc Ambinder notes, the Skip Gates beer summit, the Administration – indeed, the entire Executive Branch – seems sensitive to any accusations that the first black president might in an way favor black people. This idea has been a favorite one amongst conservatives (hello, Steve King) for many months.

If anything Shirley Sherrod’s abrupt firing has shown that the Administration tends to overreact and might even be tougher on blacks than previous Administrations. Would this situation – starting with the conservative blog posting the edited video and ending with her firing – have ever happened under George W. Bush? Bill Clinton?

The Obama Administration’s sensitivity to race seems to be exacerbated by the conservative media. Sherrod says that when she was fired she was told it was partly because the agency feared blowback from conservatives like Glenn Beck. When asked if this was the case, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs brushed off the question in today’s briefing, which 90% focused on Sherrod despite the fact that the President had signed financial regulatory reform into law just hours beforehand.

Anyone who’s been following Congress can tell you, Obama has hardly played favorites with African Americans. The Congressional Black Caucus has been lamenting for years that Obama’s election seems to have given Democrats leave to ignore the CBC. Remember last December when CBC members nearly brought down House passage of the financial regulatory reform bill? They did so to protest what they called the White House’s lack of focus on minority joblessness. Promises were made but when the $17 billion jobs bill came around in the Spring the CBC was severely disappointed. Likewise, folks weren’t exactly psyched when Obama skipped the annual Naacp conference this year, sending his wife in his stead. From a Kansas City editorial earlier this month asking the president to reconsider:

Black people haven’t demanded much from Obama, and they have been incredibly forgiving of his neglect. But they aren’t blind.

The evidence continues to mount. Under Obama, African Americans’ concerns have gone begging, including stifling unemployment; poor housing; unsafe neighborhoods; gun violence; a widening wealth gap; poor, segregated underperforming schools; a high dropout rate; health care disparities; low pay; racial profiling; high incarceration rates; and a high infant mortality.

Obama has said his directive was to benefit all Americans and watch the rising tide lift all boats. That sounds good. But racism and discrimination anchor black communities under a deep sludge, where opportunity dies. Everyone else’s rising tide only leaves blacks more frustrated and under water.

Obama spoke a lot about “teachable moments” during the Skip Gates fiasco. He’s been noticeably silent about what lessons might be drawn from this incident. The CBC has proposed a summit on race. That’s not a bad idea. Perhaps one lesson here might be to pay more attention, both to his constituents and their full stories?

Update:
After delivering a statement on Sherrod Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack will meet with the CBC.

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  • grape_crush

    So, Jay…what did you get out of this ‘teachable moment’?

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    One of the members of the Obama administration obviously made a mistake but isn’t the real story that the conservatives, with the assistance of their propaganda outlet, Fox News, deliberately defamed the reputation of Sherrod, for which she should be suing them for millions of dollars? The story isn’t the first black president’s sensitivity to race issues.

  • groenhagen2

    “Anyone who’s been following Congress can tell you, Obama has hardly played favorites with African Americans.”

    Really? How about Obama attacking a white police officer and siding with Henry Gates, an African American, before he even knew the facts? How about the dismissal of the case against the Black Panthers because the victims of voter intimidation were merely white folks? How about the promotion of incompetent members of his administration (e.g., Eric Holder) because of their race? These cases may not involve members of Congress, but they certainly illustrate Obama playing favorites.

    “The Congressional Black Caucus has been lamenting for years that Obama’s election seems to have given Democrats leave to ignore the CBC.”

    He’s been president for just 18 months. It seems that even those on the far left think the man-child’s term is going by much too slowly.

    “The CBC has proposed a summit on race. That’s not a bad idea. Perhaps one lesson here might be to pay more attention, both to his constituents and their full stories?”

    As president, the man-child is supposed to be president of ALL Americans. African Americans are not supposed to be his only constituents.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    Any examination that fails to focus on the ‘noise machine’ aspect of this episode is an absolute distraction. Teaching moment? Apparently not if YOU can help it……

  • ilikechips

    JNS- funny how the media just last week was promoting the NAACP’s racism charge against the Tea Party and nobody in the media was defending the Tea Party against these bogus charges..But now the liberal MSM is out in full force in defense mode. The hypocrisy, double standard and bias is why nobody trusts the liberal BS agenda promoted daily on CBS , NBC, ABC, CNN NY Times, Time..etc. TIME journos are too busy on Journolist to do any real objective reporting

  • groenhagen2

    Derek:

    “One of the members of the Obama administration obviously made a mistake but isn’t the real story that the conservatives, with the assistance of their propaganda outlet, Fox News, deliberately defamed the reputation of Sherrod, for which she should be suing them for millions of dollars? The story isn’t the first black president’s sensitivity to race issues.”

    That’s a flat-out lie. Fox News played the video in its full context BEFORE Sherood was fired. The NAACP had the full video in its possession BEFORE it condemned Sherrod’s words. Check the actual record before you start to parrot the lies shared by Media Matters and other left-wing smear sites.

    The real story here is that the video in its context shows NAACP members laughing and nodding in approval when Sherrod talked about not fully helping a white farmer and taking him to “one of his own kind.” This was before she went on to make essentially an anti-racist point. That is the reason Breitbart posted the video because it exposed the hypocrisy not of Sherrod’s, but of the NAACP, which had just passed a silly resolution concerning the tea party movement.

  • m0mentom0ri

    “How about the dismissal of the case against the Black Panthers because the victims of voter intimidation were merely white folks?”
    .
    For the last time, the Bush admin dropped the Black Panther Party case, not the Obama admin. Please stop making stuff up to suit your agenda.

  • groenhagen2

    Great point. You’re obviously one of the few posters here with the capacity to think.

  • m0mentom0ri

    “nobody in the media was defending the Tea Party against these bogus charges”
    .
    You need to Google “Mark Williams”. I’ll even give you a link:
    .
    http://www.google.com/search?q=“mark+williams”

  • ilikechips

    nice liberal lie Derek, Fox didn’t even carry this story until after Sherrod resigned. Typical lib..make up facts

  • groenhagen2

    momenttomori:

    “For the last time, the Bush admin dropped the Black Panther Party case, not the Obama admin. Please stop making stuff up to suit your agenda.”

    You don’t know what you’re talking about, airhead:

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203550604574361071968458430.html

  • nflfoghorn

    So a biased non-airhead columnist’s word is gold?? Hoo boy.

  • groenhagen2

    I misspoke above. You’re right. Fox played the video in context BEFORE that tub of lard Ben Jealous said the NAACP was snookered by Fox into condemning Sherrod. This is odd since the NAACP videotaped the event and had the full video in its possession before it offered its condemnation.

  • stuartzechman

    Jay Newton-Small:
    .
    …Justice Department’s controversial dropping a case of voter intimidation against the New Black Panthers…
    .
    What do you mean, controversial?
    .
    Wasn’t that dispute fully resolved, with the true conclusion being revealed to all, as Andrew Alexander, the Washington Post’s ombudsman, explicitly demanded?
    .
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/16/AR2010071604081.html

    The Post should never base coverage decisions on ideology, nor should it feel obligated to order stories simply because of blogosphere chatter from the right or the left.
    .
    But in this case, coverage is justified because it’s a controversy that screams for clarity that The Post should provide. If Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. and his department are not colorblind in enforcing civil rights laws, they should be nailed. If the Commission on Civil Rights’ investigation is purely partisan, that should be revealed. If Adams is pursuing a right-wing agenda, he should be exposed.

    Well, Jay Newton-Small?
    .
    Didn’t the controversy that screamed for clarity from the political press corps eventually get settled by brave, truth-seeking and conclusion-printing reporters and editors?
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    Isn’t it resolved, one way or the other?

  • groenhagen2

    nflfoghorn:

    Do you have information that contradicts Fund? If not, shut up.

  • bobcn1

    “For the last time…”
    .
    We should be so lucky.

  • square1

    Since Obama won’t volunteer any lessons to be drawn from this teachable moment, I will suggest a few:

    1. Andrew Breitbart is a lying, devious scumbag. (See also ACORN, edited pimp video)

    2. When a person has been revealed to be a lying, devious scumbag, his claims should be taken with enormous skepticism, if not dismissed immediately.

    3. A news organization that repeatedly relies on lying, devious scumbags as sources are not, in fact, news organizations. They are propaganda outlets. (See FOX News)

    4. Other news organizations that treat propaganda outlets as legitimate news outlets will quickly find their own reputations diminished.

    5. Elected officials who accept at face value the claims of the partisan propaganda outlets of their political opponents will make bad, and usually embarrassing, decisions.

    6. Elected officials who detrimentally rely on the faux-reporting of the partisan propaganda outlets of their opponents should publicly denounce the propaganda, or risk being “snookered” in the future.

    7. Political activists and activist organizations (e.g. the NAACP) should familiarize themselves with those who are actively opposing their agenda in order to avoid being “snookered”.

    8. Good policy is often good politics and politicians should have a compelling reason to deviate from good policy. In this case, it would have been smart politics for the WH and Sec. Vilsack to have followed the good policy of fully investigating the allegation prior to firing Sherrod.

    9. Capitulating to bullies only encourages them.

    10. Disloyalty is contagious. Gratuitously throwing your supporters under the bus will negatively affect the morale and loyalty of your partisans.

  • nflfoghorn

    Nix the name-calling, first of all; I’m not your child. I simply said that this was just one person’s opinion. Besides, the simple explanation is that Justice (Blush and BO admins) didn’t have sufficient evidence to prosecute. Neocons blew it out of proportion. Just because others inside of Justice wanted to do so doesn’t mean that they’re right any more than you or I giving our opinions on it.

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    I didn’t realize Fox were the good guys in all this. Maybe I was mistaken because of their ongoing campaign to brand Obama a racist. I incorrectly assumed a story like this would be right up their ally, plus I read that Bill O’Reilly was the first to call for her resignation. Please accept my apologies.

    Fox must be absolutely excoriating Breitbart, are they?

  • groenhagen2

    nflfoghorn:

    “Nix the name-calling, first of all; I’m not your child. I simply said that this was just one person’s opinion.”

    First, telling you to put up of shut up is not name-calling. Second, it was the Obama Justice Department that dropped the case against the New Black Panthers Party. That is a fact, and not an opinion.

  • shepherdwong

    “Would this situation – starting with the conservative blog posting the edited video and ending with her firing – have ever happened under George W. Bush?”
    .
    No. This has been another fun-filled episode of blindingly obvious answers to the dumbest question you’ve heard today.

  • kevin

    nobody in the media was defending the Tea Party against these bogus charges
    .
    If the accusation that the Tea Party had racist elements who should be denounced and purged from the movement was “bogus,” then why did the Tea Party denounce Mark Williams for his racist post and demote him?
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    Is the Tea Party part of the massive left-wing conspiracy?

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    Bravo.

  • 3xfire3

    OH You Hypocrites on the Left
    .
    “Andrew Breibart should be [Sued]

    Because this is the 2nd Time Breitbart has Edited Out Videos involving [Afro Americans] to Stir Up Trouble for Political Gain.

    Remember the Heavily Edited [Acorn Video]

    Now Mrs. Sherrod.

    Fox News, Sean Hannity, Bill O’Reilly, Brett Beir and Others at Fox News, should also be Sued & Fired.”
    .
    Blame and Demonize Andrew Breitbart. He’s an Evil Rightist.
    .
    Give me a break. The art of taking comments and video clips out of context is practiced daily by most Politicians and Partisans of both Parties, and both Left and Right Wing Medias and Blogs. It is also practiced by the Commentators / Reporters from Time every day on this site. Joe Klein is a Master and PhD in this art form of distorting the facts.
    .
    All of you people on the Left posting to this article are major Hypocrites.
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    The NAACP and White House are major Hypocrite and practices this form of distortion on a daily basis.
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    Both sides are guilty of making of these distortions. Only a blind ideology would attribute these acts only to the other side.
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    Not much Honesty or Honor on this website.
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    We all agree Mrs. Sherrod should get her job back. She did not deserve to be fired and it was a stupid act by the White House to throw her under the bus.

  • kevin

    Bush would’ve given her the Medal of Freedom, like all the other administration f*ckups he rewarded that way.

  • shepherdwong

    …Justice Department’s controversial dropping a case of voter intimidation against the New Black Panthers…

    We’re all FOX News now. What a train wreck.

  • shepherdwong

    What “edited video”?

  • nflfoghorn

    Tthe fact is that W reduced the charges and Holder decided not to pursue due to LACK OF EVIDENCE. Just because you wanted them to prosecute a bunch of retreads doesn’t make it the injustice you, obviously, think it is.

  • groenhagen2

    “1. Andrew Breitbart is a lying, devious scumbag. (See also ACORN, edited pimp video)”

    How so? The video on his web site included what was essentially Sherrod’s anti-racist message.

    You moonbats are attempting to shift the Obama admin’s error to conservatives, which basically makes you what you accused Breitbart of being. The video in its full context was in the possession of the NAACP, which jumped to conclusions and condemned Sherrod. The White House had access to the video as well before Vilsack sacked Sherrod. If the NAACP and the Obama admin had a modicum of competence, this case wuld not have blown up in their faces. To blame Breitbart for their incompetence is very disingenuous.

    And again, Fox News played the video in its proper context before the NAACP condemned Sherrod. Check the record for yourself instead of relying on smear merchants such as Media Matters and Think Progress.

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    I can’t think of many things more American than using the rule of law to protect yourself from slander. The financial penalty for having one’s character falsely defamed can be enormous.

  • groenhagen2

    nflfoghorn:

    “Tthe fact is that W reduced the charges and Holder decided not to pursue due to LACK OF EVIDENCE. Just because you wanted them to prosecute a bunch of retreads doesn’t make it the injustice you, obviously, think it is.”

    That’s a complete fabrication. None of the Black Panthers filed any response to the complaint or appeared in federal district court in Philadelphia to answer the suit, so the Justice Department would have prevailed by default, regardless of the evidence.

  • nflfoghorn

    And for what would they have prosecuted them? Carrying a nightstick??? I guess your ‘truthiness’ doen’t fit in with the rest of ours.

  • nflfoghorn

    “You moonbats are attempting to shift the Obama admin’s error to conservatives, which basically makes you what you accused Breitbart of being”
    .
    Whose “error” was it? BrightBoy knew what he was doing.
    .
    .
    “If the NAACP and the Obama admin had a modicum of competence, this case wuld [sic] not have blown up in their faces”
    .
    That was addressed by S1′s points 7 and 8. And apparently you fit the mold of point 9.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    nflfoghorn~
    Actually, the investigation was opened by the Justice Department during the Bush Presidency after several GOP election pollsters filed a complaint. It was not dismissed, however, until after Mr. Obama had taken office. Not that that suggests or implies any involvement whatsoever by Obama, but still, facts are facts and the chronology goes like that.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    momentomori~
    Wrong. The investigation was opened by the Justice Department during the Bush Presidency after several GOP election pollsters filed a complaint. It was not dismissed, however, until after Mr. Obama had taken office. As I stated below, this does not suggest or imply any involvement whatsoever by Obama, yet it was, in fact, dismissed during his term as President. So, try to get your timeline correct before making such bold statements.

  • shepherdwong

    “The Obama Administration’s sensitivity to race seems to be exacerbated by the conservative media.”
    .
    Just. Unbelievable.

  • nflfoghorn

    And Flox can certainly afford to pay ;)

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    Fox can afford to pay. The contingency lawyers are probably having to take a number at this point.

  • 53_3

    Oh, what a crock of sh!t.
    .
    Breitbert posts a supposedly damning video, NAACP bites, then Obama admin bites, then we find it was doctored, then Breitbert claims nothing wrong, now it’s our fault?
    .
    So what’s next?
    .
    The right gets to say racist things and then call us racist in the next breath. Breitbat gets away with propagandistic “murder”, and Obama is labelled as “oversensitive on racial matters!
    .
    What a teefarkingtotalling load of everliving CRAP!

  • 53_3

    groeny:
    .
    Give up the crap.

  • 53_3

    Didn’t number ‘em, but there are follow up steps outlined at 16.
    .
    What a load of sh!t we are having to deal with!

  • grape_crush

    Well, now you know why I say that Jay should never, ever try to do analysis.

  • 3xfire3

    Shirley Sherrod’s Situation was Caused by White House and NAACP Strategy to Paint the Tea Party Movement as Racist in their efforts to marginalize the Tea Party Movement.
    .
    “The real story here is that the video in its context shows NAACP members laughing and nodding in approval when Sherrod talked about not fully helping a white farmer and taking him to “one of his own kind.” This was before she went on to make essentially an anti-racist point. That is the reason Breitbart posted the video because it exposed the hypocrisy not of Sherrod’s, but of the NAACP, which had just passed a silly resolution concerning the tea party movement.”
    .
    I have gone to the NAACP Website as instructed by Ben Jealous, NAACP President to see the proof that the Tea Party Movement is Racist or has strong Racist elements within its ranks.
    .
    The NAACP site shows a slide show that purports to show Racist signs at Tea Party Events. In watching the slide show several times I came up with the following sign count.
    .
    Racist Signs…9…Signs that could be interpreted either Racist or not Racist……11
    .
    Even if you are of the political persuasion to interpreter all these signs as Racist the number would still be a relatively small number considering the size of the Tea Party Movement.
    .
    Approx 30% of American adults claim to be affiliated with the Tea Party.
    The number would therefore be approx 65,000,000 people.
    .
    9 or 20 signs do not make 65,000,000 people Racist.
    .
    If the Obama Administration with the help of the NAACP were not trying to marginalize the Tea Party by trying to associating them with Racism, the Shirley Sherrod situation would never have happened.
    .
    Shooting the messenger makes no sense. We should be holding the people who were trying to send a distorted political message accountable for this event which caused great harm to this lady. She deserves better.

  • shepherdwong
  • shepherdwong

    “The real story here is that the video in its context shows NAACP members laughing and nodding in approval when Sherrod talked about not fully helping a white farmer and taking him to “one of his own kind.” This was before she went on to make essentially an anti-racist point. That is the reason Breitbart posted the video because it exposed the hypocrisy not of Sherrod’s, but of the NAACP, which had just passed a silly resolution concerning the tea party movement.”
    .
    You need to keep your lies more current. That one’s already been debunked:

    …the problem with the audience defense …is that Sherrod told her listeners this before launching into the white-farmer story:
    .
    “When I made that commitment [to stay in the South], I was making that commitment to black people, and to black people only. But you know God will show you things, and he’ll put things in your path so that you realize that the struggle is really about poor people.”
    .
    So, the audience knew what the up-shot of the story was going to be. In a disservice to everyone, Andrew’s source clipped the video to exclude this key introduction, which would have only added about 20 seconds more in length, but an entire world in additional context.
    .
    –Rich Lowry

    http://www.balloon-juice.com/2010/07/21/the-it-was-about-the-audience-lie/

  • 3xfire3

    shepherdwrong,
    .
    You and Jean Williams are ever bit as good as Breibart at distorting the facts to meet your political agenda. You are all 3 ideologies.

  • Paul-no not that one

    Pretty easy to see where this is going.
    .
    The right’s efforts to “fire up the base” without proposing anything has come to race issues.
    .
    All the denials are up against what our own lying eyes and ears take in.
    .
    The Rove strategy of 50+1 to win elections doesn’t take into account that at some point you go so far as to scare away anyone other than your base,
    .
    November continues to move from a great republican year to a pretty good republican year to a good republican year to…

  • 3xfire3

    Shep,
    .
    Doesn’t change the facts. Your spin doesn’t work here.

  • nflfoghorn

    She can’t get the names right but I agree with her sentiment.

  • nflfoghorn

    “Flox News: We Distort, You Lap It Up.”
    .
    Fixed their slogan for ya.

  • nflfoghorn

    While that’s true re the timeline, EAH, Gro referred to an opinion column written 11 months ago. I’m saying it was opinion based on how the writer saw the facts. He had one point of view and I have another – either is not necessarily true. And all Gro wants to do, it seems, is carry the spear for Shannity et. al. to nail those New Black Panthers.

  • 3xfire3

    nfl,
    .
    Facts and truth are so inconvenient for people on the Left. If facts and truth don’t fit their political views they simply change them. After all the end justifies the means for people on the Left.

  • nflfoghorn

    “If the Obama Administration with the help of the NAACP had looked at all the facts before placing collective brains in gear, the Shirley Sherrod situation would never have happened.”
    .
    .
    That one, too.

  • shepherdwong

    “She can’t get the names right but I agree with her sentiment.”
    .
    Well, I tend to appreciate when journalists get the story right and my grammar and speling ain’t all that perfect either. Just look at the difference in saying what happened:
    .
    JNS:
    “The Obama Administration’s sensitivity to race seems to be exacerbated by the conservative media.” (preceded by a bunch of irrelevant crap about The New Black Panthers and Skip Gates)
    .
    Williams:
    “Biggovernment.com web master Andrew Breitbart posted an edited video in true Fox-News-fashion on his blog on Monday, which caused an innocent woman, Shirley Sherrod, to be forced into resigning from her position as Georgia Director of Rural Development with the USDA.”

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    3X,
    .
    You have this incredibly irritating street gang mentality.
    .
    Andrew Briebart is an evil man.
    .
    He defamed a public figure for personal gain.
    .
    Hence, on behalf of conservatives who do not lie, you should be saying that you, too, hate people lying at the expense of others for personal gain including this incident.
    .
    Then, if you would like to, you can list all of the kind, warm and meticulously honest conservatives who, to you, represent conservatives.
    .
    Instead, you are saying that it is not a big deal to lie and destroy somebody’s career.
    .
    What I find amazing is that I once called your daughter a $20 whore and you took less offense to that then you do when people are critical of Fox News.
    .
    You are ridiculous, 3X.
    .
    (I was tossing an insult back at you. Perhaps that is not fair, but, I don’t usually call people’s daughter’s $20 whores.)

  • grape_crush

    If the Obama Administration with the help of the NAACP were not trying to marginalize the Tea Party by trying to associating them with Racism, the Shirley Sherrod situation would never have happened.
    .
    “If you hadn’t called out the Tea Partiers as having racists in their ranks – which they do – none of this would have happened.”
    .
    9 or 20 signs do not make 65,000,000 people Racist.
    .
    Because a) Every racist holds up a racially-charged sign and b) the NAACP site has a picture of every racially-charged sign that’s ever been held up at a rally.
    .
    That’s idiotic, even for you.
    .
    We should be holding the people who were trying to send a distorted political message accountable for this event which caused great harm to this lady.
    .
    So what should be done with Breitbart, then?

  • shepherdwong

    “Wrong. The investigation was opened by the Justice Department during the Bush Presidency after several GOP election pollsters filed a complaint. It was not dismissed, however, until after Mr. Obama had taken office.”
    .
    No, that’s not quite right either. The Bush Administration opened an investigation and decided to pursue civil rather than criminal sanctions on January 7, 2009, before Obama took office. The Obama Justice Department dropped the civil lawsuit last May for lack of evidence of any actual voter supression.

    …Section 11(b) cases, which are rare, are generally reserved for extensive voter-suppression schemes, which the two men standing outside the Philadelphia polling station did not amount to. The legal standard for proving Section 11(b) cases in the past has been extremely high, which is both why they’re rare and why Section 11(b) complaints are generally filed in order to prevent large-scale voter suppression campaigns.

    In any event, it’s just another race-baiting partisan non-scandal concocted and ginned-up by right-wing partisan operatives, so it makes no difference who dropped the bogus thing.
    .
    http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/adam_serwer_archive?month=07&year=2010&base_name=when_was_the_new_black_panther

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Do you have any links to support your claim, or are you just coming online looking for gay sex again?

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    So, them message is: Democrats, liberals, moderates and all other sane people must always presume that absolutely everything they see, hear or read about from right wing sources is a complete and total lie, so, from there, not presuming it is a complete and total lie, it is Obama’s fault.
    .
    Well, in that case, the response to every conservative here should be “your lying!” and not even bother debating them.
    .
    Then, again, there are several conservatives like Swiss and Exiled who may have made some errors, but should not be called lairs.
    .
    Clearly the first problem was that false information from a supposed source of News was a lie. All other things were honest errors based upon not checking to see if it was true or not.

  • Friar Tuck

    So what should be done with Breitbart, then?
    .
    Sounds like another Medal of Freedom recipient to me, assuming another Rethuglican is elected president within his lifetime.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    3X,
    .
    The NAACP charge was that a portion – not necessarily a large portion of the Tea Party – have been blatantly racist and the majority – very possibly a 99% majority – of the Tea Party who are not racist should stand up against racism in the Tea Party.
    .
    The NAACP absolutely did prove that some – using the term from textbook logic meaning one or more – people are racist in the Tea Party.
    .
    By contrast, the NAACP has not asked the Aryan Brotherhood to remove it’s racist component because, obviously, it would have completely disband since, that group is, by definition, like the KKK, all racist.
    .
    Just by the fact that the NAACP was asking members of the Tea Party to disown racist members meant that had to be a majority non-racists who could reject racists.
    .
    For all of those 20 signs you saw on their website, obviously you would not bring them around the house to put on your walls with you racially mixed family.
    .
    So, the NAACP was asking you to ask people like them to not create such signs and not to say such things.
    .
    And you get mad at the NAACP for asking you, as a non-racist, to go ahead and disown racists.

  • apr2563

    Shep: I guess 3x doesn’t know who Rich Lowry is. I would have thought he would believe a fellow right winger.
    The sad thing is nothing will happen to Brietbart. He, Fox, Drudge and enabler Politico will continue throwing the smears and hoping some will stick. They know that few take the time to check the source and react like Pavlov’s dogs as they are meant to.

  • maverick2k9

    Exiled, it was dismissed because it isnt a prosecutable case for voter intimidation. Because ZERO voters actually complained of being intimidated by the 3-member strong NBBP
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    Thanks to free speech, DoJ cannot prosecute a case for racism.

  • poperatzo

    Tell us, Jay.

    Did you find anything “teachable” about whether or not Fox News or right-wing bloggers like Andrew Breitbart have any legitimacy?

    As long as the mainstream press continues to give credence to any story that comes from Fox or Breitbart, it shows you haven’t learned anything yet.

    Now where do Acorn and Van Jones go to get their reputations back? Jay?

  • 3xfire3

    Jail would be good as a starter.

  • kevin

    Here’s another example of a Tea Party leader denouncing racists like Mark Williams and distancing himself from comments he calls racist:
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    http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/07/tea-party-patriot-leader-calls-on-candidates-to-repudiate-tea-party-express-support.php?ref=fpb
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    Good for him.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Jail would be good as a starter.”
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    Jail the ideologically impure?
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    There is no evidence to say Van Jones is ties to radical politics and extremely little reason to believe that he ever was, but, if he’s liberal and black – just jail him.

  • freeinpa

    Andrew Briebart is an evil man.
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    He defamed a public figure for personal gain
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    You mean like the Daily Kos and Huffington Post do daily? Oh that’s right right their cause is just so they can lie cheat and smear with impunity.

    Still a drop out Rev Jim

  • freeinpa

    “The NAACP charge was that a portion – not necessarily a large portion of the Tea Party – have been blatantly racist and the majority – very possibly a 99% majority – of the Tea Party who are not racist should stand up against racism in the Tea Party”
    ==
    Leaving the semantics of what portion of the Tea Party the NAACP was referring, the NAACP would be better served if they cleaned up the racism in their own ranks before they make allegations about others.

    The point missed in stories from the MSM about this now gives the NAACP relevance again, is they are indeed irrelevant!

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “You mean like the me, rusty and 3X do daily? Oh our right our cause is just so they can lie cheat and smear with impunity.

    I’m still a drop out.”
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    I just Briebertized your remarks.

  • freeinpa

    “As long as the mainstream press continues to give credence”

    The main problem with your argument is the major and incorrect assumption that the MSM has any credence other than a left leaning lap dog for all liberal interests.

    The hallway built from Washington to MSM and back along with the emails leaked about how the press has protected left interests should end the idiotic assumption that the MSM media is anything close to journalism. Although the looney left will always point its them not us that lies. But then the real lie for liberals is to themselves.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Leaving the semantics of what portion of the Tea Party the NAACP was referring, the NAACP would be better served if they cleaned up the racism in their own ranks before they make allegations about others.

    The point missed in stories from the MSM about this now gives the NAACP relevance again, is they are indeed irrelevant!”
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    But you found none!
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    Instead, Briebert edited a piece to manufacture racism and you saw the NAACP reaction – tossed her out on her ass before they knew it was untrue.
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    So, now that you have one test case of what the NAACP does when they believe somebody might be a racist, it is now the Tea Party’s turn.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “The main problem with your argument is the major and incorrect assumption that the MSM has any credence other than a left leaning lap dog for all liberal interests.”
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    You mean like when MSNBC took a speech of John McCain saying the he was so proud to be a veteran and edited so that it sounded like he hated Veterans, the Republican Party threw him off the ticket until the editing job was unveiled.
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    “Psychological projection or projection bias (including Freudian Projection) is the unconscious act of denial of a person’s own attributes, thoughts, and emotions, which are then ascribed to the outside world, such as to the weather, a tool, or to other people. Thus, it involves imagining or projecting that others have those feelings.

    Projection is considered one of the most profound and subtle of human psychological processes, and extremely difficult to work with, because by its nature it is hidden. It is the fundamental mechanism by which we keep ourselves uninformed about ourselves. Humor has great value in any attempt to work with projection, because humor presents a forgiving posture and thereby removes the threatening nature of any inquiry into the truth.”
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    The right wing extremist media just got caught with their proverbial pants down so badly that it needs a more vile metaphor.
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    The right wing media just got caught with it’s pants down raping a child (metaphorically) you want to start saying that all non-right wing sources are biased and unfair?
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    Your insane.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “The main problem with your argument is the major and incorrect assumption that the MSM has any credence other than a left leaning lap dog for all liberal interests.”
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    You mean like when MSNBC took a speech of John McCain saying the he was so proud to be a veteran and edited so that it sounded like he hated Veterans, the Republican Party threw him off the ticket until the editing job was unveiled.
    .
    “Psychological projection or projection bias (including Freudian Projection) is the unconscious act of denial of a person’s own attributes, thoughts, and emotions, which are then ascribed to the outside world, such as to the weather, a tool, or to other people. Thus, it involves imagining or projecting that others have those feelings.

    Projection is considered one of the most profound and subtle of human psychological processes, and extremely difficult to work with, because by its nature it is hidden. It is the fundamental mechanism by which we keep ourselves uninformed about ourselves. Humor has great value in any attempt to work with projection, because humor presents a forgiving posture and thereby removes the threatening nature of any inquiry into the truth.”
    .
    The right wing extremist media just got caught with their proverbial pants down so badly that it needs a more vile metaphor.
    .
    The right wing media just got caught with it’s pants down raping a child (metaphorically) you want to start saying that all non-right wing sources are biased and unfair?
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    You’r insane.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Just when you think you know how wordpress works…

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    I never stated that the case had any merit. I simply noted that the investigation was opened during the Bush presidency and was dismissed during the Obama presidency. Simple. This was a refutation of the erroneous assertion by momentomori that the case was dropped during the Bush presidency. It’s all really rather irrelevant, but I figured I’d point out a glaring error in chronology.

  • maverick2k9

    Teachable moment for me –
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    Rusty’s “sleeping white giant” was woken up briefly, then promptly shot dead :)

  • 3xfire3

    Patrick,
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    You simply amaze me. How you can read my post 2.1 and then reply with totally incoherent comments only shows how sick you are.
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    Try rereading the post slowly and maybe you will be able to understand it. You are a poor excuse for a human being when you continue to make such stupid irrational comments.
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    Is there any chance you could go bother someone else and stop your insane replies to my posts? I would really like to hear from some sane people on this site. You are only an irrational pest.
    .

  • sasquatch08

    As previous stated by xfire, the woman should get her job back.
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    The statements about suing fox are some of the dumbest I have ever read on here for a number of reasons.
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    1) The woman admitted ON CAMERA that she was a racist and then recanted it (the teachable moment). She doesn’t deny it, at one point in her life she hated white people for the color of their skin but then she realized the error of her ways for which I congratulate her. That doesn’t change the fact that AT ONE POINT she was just as much of a racist as any KKK member.
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    At one point (Friday night) I was falling down drunk, today I drove my car. Was I still drunk? No. Do I deserve a DUI? No. Was she a racist? Yes. Is she now? No. Should she have been fired? No. Should she get her job back? Yes.

    2) Saying things that are stupid on camera or can be taken out of context to make you look stupid is part of public life. With the right software and enough time I can probably make an edited video of Obama screaming that he hates black people. Get over it. It happens every day. As xfire correctly points out both the pundits and politicians on both sides of the aisle use the tactic of taking things out of context every day (watch Keith Olberman on MSNBC and then step out of your hobbit hole and into the real world and you’ll see what I mean).

    3) Fox in no way defamed her. They played a video of her talking which I actually saw. That’s not defamation. You can’t say to a judge “I was quoted and it made me look bad, I want money” (well, to be fare you can say that to a judge but that just makes you a jackass). Fox put no words in her mouth and dispersed no falsehoods about her all they did was put a video of her talking on the air. They also asked her repeatedly to come on Fox to discuss what happened and she initially agreed and then backed out.

    4) Suing people is “American”? That attitude pretty much sums up what’s wrong with this country.
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    It’s not the whiskey or the drugs or anything else. It’s the knee-jerk, brain-dead, takes last at the Special Olympics idea that a lawsuit is the best cure for anything. Screw personal responsibility, screw being a decent parent, screw watching your diet, screw exercise, screw being a decent adult with dignity and self respect just freaking SUE someone and get paid.
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    Personally I find that attitude disgusting. At least find a respectable way to make money like being a hitman or a drug dealer, or heck just sell your body on the street. HOOKERS have more self respect and are more deserving of others respect than people that cry like a child and sue someone because life got hard.

  • sasquatch08

    I’ll say this and probably be demonized for it… So right off the bat and for the millionth time: I AM NOT A REPUBLICAN.
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    With this woman, she should get her job back. She has done a commendable thing realizing and admitting the error of her ways. She even publicly admitted it which is very difficult for most people to do.
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    On the New Black Panther Party thing; they’re just as racist as an old southern man hopped up on white lightning. I don’t know the details of the case so I won’t go further into detail on this (Moving sucks! So many things happen and you miss it all when your shleping boxes all day.)
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    All I will say is this: regardless if you’re white, black, asian, tall, short or whatever your political bent and you are standing outside my polling station with a baton yelling at voters in a paramilitary outfit when I go to vote I hope your a jedi master and you can stop my hollow-points with that baton. If you try to prevent me or any other citizen from voting by showing up armed at the polling station for the express purpose of attempting to scare people away I will calmly walk to my car, remove my sidearm from the glove-box and blow the brains right out of your head.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Give me a break. The art of taking comments and video clips out of context is practiced daily by most Politicians and Partisans of both Parties, and both Left and Right Wing Medias and Blogs. It is also practiced by the Commentators / Reporters from Time every day on this site. Joe Klein is a Master and PhD in this art form of distorting the facts.”
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    Briebart amplified it exponentially when he edited the video and, by removing the introduction and the conclusion created the false illusion that she was advocating reverse racism instead of opposing it.
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    Let’s ignore comics like, maybe, Letterman and Leno who no reasonable person would expect to be doing anything other than making a joke. Conan O’Brien used to have somebody standing behind a life sized picture of Bill Clinton with his lips showing saying all kinds of fake, dumb, silly, always intended to be and sometimes successfully amusing things is an exaggerated Southern drawl saying that he was Bill Clinton. Nobody watching believed that Bill Clinton was actually on Conan O’Brien’s show.
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    By contrast, everybody who saw that clip believed that Sherrod was making statements supporting and tolerating reverse racism. Briebart didn’t include a laugh track or anything.
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    ————————————————————————————–

    Sasquach,
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    To make the metaphor more reasonable, to what you said, how about this:
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    Friday night you had too many drinks to drive. You thought about driving yourself home for a moment. You got a ride home. The next day you tell this story to a friend who tells Andrew Briebart. Briebart then tells your boss, the local police who are looking for a hit and run driver on Friday night, your Mom and all of your friends that you did drive home drunk.
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    If you had a moment while drinking too much (or at least too much than to be able to drive) where you had the thought cross your mind that you could drive home, that might be a self deprecating story. You should not feel inhibited from telling it especially if the conclusion is that you realized that you shouldn’t.
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    If a woman with her biography, working for an association for black farmers thinks for a moment that she should do nothing for a white farmer experiencing exactly the same problem black farmers face and quickly remedy the matter this is not a bad thing since, when working for a NGO, she corrected herself very promptly.
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    All essayist take the most powerful quotes from both sides of the argument even if the quote only gets a majority of but not all of the opposing viewpoint. However, taking the argument of your opposition and making it appear as if they are saying the opposite is extremely evil and broadcasting it on Fox is incredibly irresponsible.
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    Yes, I agree with you conservatives that for the WH to believe that Fox is more than a den of liars, snake oil salesmen and thieves was a bad idea. But, dens of liars, snake oil salesmen and thieves calling themselves “News” can be held liable.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “…standing outside my polling station with a baton yelling at voters in a paramilitary outfit when I go to vote I hope your a jedi master and you can stop my hollow-points with that baton. If you try to prevent me or any other citizen from voting by showing up armed at the polling station for the express purpose of attempting to scare people away I will calmly walk to my car, remove my sidearm from the glove-box and blow the brains right out of your head…”
    .
    It seems as if you only know the Fox distortion of that story.
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    Filmed on a small camera with bad sound was a man pacing around a couple of dozen feet from a polling station in Philly while holding a police style baton in his hand. The cameraman asked him a few questions and the man with the baton was was saying that he was there to prevent voter fraud (as in Florida eight years earlier). It can be seen fairly clearly that far behind the the black man with the baton were white people going both in and out of the polling station unmolested.
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    This was the only evidence presented against the New Black Panthers other than a statement by a black Republican poll watcher who saw this baton wielding man and refused to work that day.
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    DOJ dropped the criminal charges days before Obama became the president due to lack of evidence.
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    That individual who had been holding the baton was, banned from going to a polling station at all in the future.
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    The New Black Panthers suspended the baton wielding man.
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    DOJ had the option of pressing civil charges against the entire New Black Panther organization, but, due to lack of evidence that the New Black Panther Party collectively were responsible, the DOJ, even though they had a default in court when the NBPP did not show up, dropped that civil charge in April 20009.
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    A year later, Fox picks up the story and adds in footage of the once baton wielding man making racist speeches.
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    Just because this individual, as he says, hates white people does not mean that with no witnesses or video evidence saying he did, that he intimidated voters. Therefore, the charges were not there to press criminally and, since the NBPP suspended the man and did not have any other members doing anything very similar, there was no evidence for civil charges against the NBPP.
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    If a KKK person were to tell me that they hate black people, I will not respect them nor their opinion, but, unless their is evidence that this hatred has to do with a crime, I would not demand that this KKK member be arrested.
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    Sorry to go on and on, but, we’ve been going through this with Rusty for months now.

  • highcheef

    Can we get the new civil war started already? Folks on the right think that all Left leaning people are socialist/apologist/babykillers and folks on the left think that all of those on the right are racist/religiously intolerent/warmongers. Time for the “real americans” to take on the “real americans” and the winner can have “real america”. Wake me when its over so I can try to live my American dream where we respect each other and don’t think that those that disagree with us are sleeper agents for our enemies or anarchists out to topple the government.

  • 53_3

    Might start with telling Rush, Glenn, Hannity, Buchanon, O’Reily, Robertson, et al to STFU…

  • jackhammer69

    Actually, the administration asked for her resignation BEFORE Fox news said anything about her at all.

  • jackhammer69

    In any event, it’s just another race-baiting partisan non-scandal concocted and ginned-up..
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    Really?
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    So its not illegal to stand outside a polling place with a weapon and hurl racial slurs?
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    Any idea that law enforcement should do something about that is just race-baiting, partisan nonsense?
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    Since the Obama Justice department didn’t think that the actions, on video, rose to the level of violating Section 11(b), then the whole thing might as well be dropped?
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    They couldn’t find something else to charge those guys with?
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    Really?
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