Obama Bashes GOP on Eve of Unemployment Aid Vote

It is sometimes said – most recently by the Senate Democratic leader, Harry Reid — that Barack Obama needs to be more confrontational with the Republicans (and particularly filibuster-happy Senate Republicans) determined to thwart his congressional agenda. When it comes to the fierce fight over unemployment insurance extensions, Obama seems to be taking the advice to heart. In a Rose Garden appearance today, the president ripped the GOP for its weeks-long roadblock of Democratic efforts to extend UI payments for millions of unemployed Americans whose checks are running out. Calling passage of the $30 billion bill “essential,” Obama bashed Republicans for a “lack of faith” in the American people and coddling the rich at the expense of the unemployed. (This was a follow-up punch to Obama’s Saturday weekly radio address, a speech which, as the White House web site proudly says, “blasts” the GOP.)

To some degree, however, Obama’s outrage must be calculated. Yes, the administration is genuinely angry over the GOP’s resistance to helping out struggling workers and pumping more cash into the wheezing economy. (See my cover story in the new issue for much more on that.) But Obama knows that he’s already won this fight already. West Virginia has now appointed a new Democratic senator to replace the late Robert C. Byrd, meaning Democrats almost surely have the 60 votes they’ll need when the issue comes to a vote tomorrow. Obama’s comments today, then, seemed less about moving public opinion than about highlighting a battle in which he’s about to claim victory–and perhaps in showing his congressional allies and liberal supporters that he’s bringing the fight to Republicans as a perilous midterm election approaches.

At the same time, it’s also clear that the White House is sensitive to Republican talking points about the jobless benefits. Conservatives have made their case against extending benefits in two main grounds: first, concern about the budget deficit (Republicans insist on offsetting budget cuts for any benefits extension); and, second, the notion that long-term UI benefits can become a welfare-like disincentive for jobless people to seek work. On the first score, Obama notes that Republicans care far less about the deficit when it comes to big tax cuts, a way of shifting the topic from the deficit to a  GOP budget idea that polls far less well than Republican talk about budget-cutting. “The same people who didn’t have any problem spending hundreds of billions of dollars on tax breaks for the wealthiest Americans [when they were in the majority] are now saying we shouldn’t offer relief to middle-class Americans… who really need help,” Obama said.

Obama was especially sensitive to the latter point–that sending checks to the unemployed could lull them into giving up their job hunts. Joining him for his remarks were three long-term unemployed people who are still ardently job seeking–including one man, a former Honda dealership parts manager, who Obama said has resorted to going door-to-door in his job quest. “These leaders in the Senate who are advancing a misguided notion that emergency relief somehow discourages people from looking for a job should talk to these folks,” Obama complained. “They’re not looking for a handout. They desperately want to work. Just right now they can’t find a job.”

The Republican House leader John Boehner has fired back at Obama with a statement accusing him of “disingenuous attacks, not answers.” But he also conceded that the bill is likely to pass. It looks as though unemployment insurance battle is all over but the shouting, which is sure to carry on into November. But the larger struggle to repair the U.S. economy and rescue the millions of stricken American lives grinds on.

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  • nflfoghorn

    “Obama knows that he’s already won this fight already”
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    RDOD (see Morning Reads :) )

  • nflfoghorn

    Any proof of whether many employers are simply holding off on hiring until “conditions are more favorable” (read: PONers are in charge)?

  • newfreedomblog

    America needs to get its house in order. Spending another 30 BILLION dollars on unemployment extensions and not cutting other spending is still kicking the can down the road to another time.
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    The only thing Republicans and fiscal conservatives are asking the spend crazy Democrats to do is simply PAY FOR IT.
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    We want people to have money in their wallets if they are unemployed. God only knows when this economy which Obama and his Chicago thugs have screwed up will ever recover, but we need to make sure that the over the top spending by the Democrats is not done without being offset by spending cuts.
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    With all the White House parties being held weekly, flying the First Family dog, Bo, to Maine in a separate plane for the family vacation, taking Air Force One on political jaunts to help Harry Reid and other flea-bitten croonies. Perhaps our President can set an example of how to cut spending, and do some saving. Help defer the cost of extending the unemployment checks of those who truly need help. That is an ideal, yes? How about it President Obama? Want to help out with cutting some of your frivolous spending?

  • deconstructiva

    Just keep asking the R’s (and their sockpuppets allied commenters here) how to create jobs NOW …besides “tax cuts” (but I digress). They may try to point to taxes as job creators in previous run but more likely Greenspan / Fed interest rate cuts did this. Cheap money helped fuel housing runs …which naturally got overbuilt, let alone subprime / mcmansion lending greed running amok (and almost no Big Govt™ oversight, but I digress again). Except now there’s not much room to cut rates and banks aren’t lending much now.

  • shepherdwong

    “To some degree, however, Obama’s outrage must be calculated.”
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    If it weren’t calculated, he’d be pointing out that Republicans are trying to harm the American economy and increase the suffering of working class Americans to help advance their own power and the power of our moneyed elites.

  • nflfoghorn

    Spending for war: OK
    Spending for people: unacceptable

  • deconstructiva

    Barbara Kiviat destroyed uncertainty excuses for NOT hiring –
    http://curiouscapitalist.blogs.time.com/2010/07/14/the-uncertainty-excuse-needs-to-come-to-an-end/
    (For an added treat, even Rusty showed up. He was as considerate and insightful as here.)

  • nflfoghorn

    Good job by BK. Oversimplifying and undermining must be a PON staple.

  • shepherdwong

    Ironically, “conservative” dogma isn’t any more rational or reality-based when it comes to understanding how business works than it is on economics or human behavior. If your company has orders you hire and do whatever you have to do to fill them. You don’t take a pass on business at the door because you aren’t sure what taxes or health care regs are going to be next year. Business isn’t hiring because people aren’t buying (see Occam’s razor).

  • grape_crush

    …first, concern about the budget deficit (Republicans insist on offsetting budget cuts for any benefits extension)…

    I like that Obama is pointing out the hypocrisy. It’s easier than pointing out that an extension would only slightly impact the deficit and then rattling off some numbers, which loses people.

    …second, the notion that long-term UI benefits can become a welfare-like disincentive for jobless people to seek work.

    Well, that’s what outlets like FNC are pushing, anyway, in an effort to highlight the stories of a few in order to dismiss the needs of the many.

    I wish that I would have been faster with the phone camera and caught the ‘Happily Unemployed’ caption.

  • winstoncourt

    As jobs and industry are being exported to China, Mexico, Malaysia, Sri Lanka, India, etc., as cheap 3rd world labor is being imported to take the few remaining jobs, as the rich, powerful and well connected have the few jobs paying a decent wage held and given to them, Americans standard of living is going to have to go down in order to keep our public servants, from the president on down, including even your local officials, teachers, firefighters, police, etc., in the lifestyles they have become accustomed to living, with the benefits they want, and the luxurious retirement and pensions they are drawing. It is simply the “New American Way”, get used to it!

  • http://flounder73.wordpress.com pafro

    This shtick is getting pretty tiresome.
    Wait until you have the votes on something, then start nailing the other side for being opposed to it.
    I think if Obama had started fingering Republicans for filibustering America when they first started filibustering America we would have a rather different and more positive political calculus going on right now.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “The only thing Republicans and fiscal conservatives are asking the spend crazy Democrats to do is simply PAY FOR IT.”
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    Bull Sh!
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    If Democrats enact a plan to raise taxes on those who can most afford it – single individuals making over $100,000 per year and families making over $250,000 per year – scheduled for 2013 through 2018 to pay for all of these things now, then Republicans will attack far, far harder calling this a “redistribution of wealth”, “Communism”, “Nazis” and maybe even through Satan and Christ on the Cross at us for good luck.
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    As for your cuts, there are two problems:
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    1) Bush had two getaways requiring the secret service. One in Texas and one in Maine instead of just one. His security, etc, cost far more than Obama’s does and nobody let out a burp about it.
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    2) Take all of those expenses you bring up, some of which would cause international shame upon the US if we serve Chef Boyardee at the next White House dinner to foreign diplomats, you still have a problem. That would cover, maybe – maybe – twenty five cents a week to each household of the unemployed.
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    Where were you when GWB said cutting taxes raises revenues and demanding a cut to attacking extra countries or a tax increase?

  • http://flounder73.wordpress.com pafro

    I like to point out that the rules of capitalism decree that if there is a demand in the marketplace and I sit on my *ss because I am worried about possible inflation ten years from now, my competitors are going to fill the demand and i am going to lose market share.
    Pretty fundamental proof that there is no demand for business to expand.
    They are simply using the demand crisis to try and get some more corporate welfare. Can’t really blame corporate America for this, it is how the system is currently set up. Doesn’t mean we have to sit back and let them win either.

  • http://djtrudeau.wordpress.com djtrudeau

    Thank you, shepherd, for pointing this out. The question is always whether the company is in pain that can be allieviated by hiring or if there’s a business opportunity that looks like enough of a sure thing to bring people on board to develop.

    I’ve worked in staffing for twelve years, so I know a little something about the subject. You know what I’m overloaded with? I’m stuffed with automotive companies that need to hire people to develop electronic control systems for their vehicles. Here’s an industry that is as unsure as any and they’re hiring like crazy for this skill set? You know why? They know their futures hinge on this (the obvious business opportunity) and there aren’t enough people to get it done (the pain). Obama’s taxes are a blip on the radar. Are they part of the mix? Yes. They’re just not the major factor many want them to be.

    One thing many are missing is there are thousands of open jobs in this country that are sitting open because we don’t have people with the right skill set.

  • morristhewise

    Republicans say that they are ready to extend unemployment benefits to the 2.5 million unemployed only if it was paid for by cash at hand instead of borrowed money. The cost of extended benefits is 35 billion and could be paid for by taking it from the 750 billion dollar defense budget. But building less warplanes and submarines would result in rioting unemployed defense workers. The practical solution is to increase the federal debt and let a future administration solve its problem

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “…the notion that long-term UI benefits can become a welfare-like disincentive for jobless people to seek work.”
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    It’s the wrong decade for that story.
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    Before Welfare Reform if a welfare recipient made any income at all (even $1) they would loose their housing, the money to support their children, food stamps – everything.
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    Now it is a graduated process so that as one earns more their benefits decrease gradually as their income goes up so that the net household income, basically, never goes down due to additional hours worked.
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    Unemployment insurance is exactly the same. If you earn $2, your next check goes down by $1 until you earn half of your Unemployment check. Then your benefits go down $1 for every $1 earned until you make more than your check was.
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    Here’s the math since, unfortunately, I was unemployed after 9/11 after loosing my weekday job but while keeping my weekend job:
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    If your old pay was, say, $1,000 per week, your UI check would be $500 per week.
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    If you earn $250 per week, your UI check goes down by $125 (starting at the first $2) to $375.
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    From $250 to $625 your benefits go down $1 for every $1 earned.
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    Since employers like seeing fresh resumes with work done the previous day, not six months or a year earlier, if that person ever in their life hopes to get back to $1,000 per week or more, they want to take as many hours as possible at the jobs which actually exist rather than stay home and have their wife call him a lazy idiot and get stuck doing all of the housework.
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    If it is the concept that starvation creates a work ethic, then Boehner should advocate taxing soup kitchens and food pantries since they, too, prevent the unemployed from dropping dead of starvation.
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    Outside of writing bills forbidding Baseball, Mom and Apple Pie, there few things the Republicans can do to hurt their cause than to cut UI benefits.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “…we would have a rather different and more positive political calculus going on right now.”
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    True!

  • kbanginmotown

    Hey decon, long time no hear (from me, anyway).
    .
    Work and vacation have kept me away from Swampland for the better part of a month, but now that I’ve had some time to review some of the food fights, I feel like I haven’t missed anything important…shame, really.
    .
    I appreciate your input to a number of recent posts; are there any substantive posts in the past few weeks that you’d recommend I review?
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    Also, I’ve seen you post over at WaPo before, but I’ve found the commenting system over there to be even worse than WordPress(tm). Does KT respond to comments? Is there a hideout where Swampers can mix it up away from the flame wars?
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    1e6thx

  • dasgradstudent

    You know, as one of those Generation Y’ers who will have to shoulder the burden of these debts in the very near future, I personally am willing to pay a few cents/dollars extra in ten or twenty years to help cover the costs of the unemployment extension. I don’t care what the “conservative” pundits and politicians are ranting about when it comes to deficit spending, the fact is that the GOP under Bush and earlier under Reagan spent this country into the ground, and most of the people my age are well aware of this simple fact. If $30 Billion extra will help keep 2.2 million people fed, clothed, and housed, I’m all for it.

    What I am against is the fake, histrionic rage from the far right over “Obamunism” and all the b-s anger over Obama’s budget deficits and how he’s leading us down the road to Fascism/Communism/Socialism. First off, those three are mutually exclusive concepts, they can’t be merged into one giant overarching ideological camp. Secondly, I don’t care how many of the Tea partier’s claim that they weren’t for the Bush era deficit spending, I was alive and fairly well informed during the eight years of the Bush Administration, and I didn’t hear one peep out of them about the deficit. What I did hear, however, was a lot of loaded language about “You’re either with us or against us,” and “This is a wartime president, if you don’t support him then you’re supporting the terrorists.” Generally speaking, most of these same people protesting Obama and the Democratic congress now, were spouting those lines at those of us who asked “why.”

    False platitudes towards fiscal conservatism and “retaking the country” don’t speak to me or any of my friends. Get a better line or start offering real solutions. The minute anyone offers up real solutions for bringing down the deficit, AKA cutting the defense budget, the Repubs are suddenly up in arms about how Dems/Libs are “weak on defense,” and are buddy buddy with Bin Laden and the terrorists. Guess what everyone, the empire’s over and we won’t pay for the previous generation’s frivolous military spending once we’re in power.

    I look forward to the day when public schools get the full funding that they require to keep the nation competitive, and the US Air Force has to go begging to state legislatures for funding to build some new wonder weapon that will languish on air fields for a decade or two, never be used in the task it was designed to do, and be sold off to some foreign government the minute that it’s “Obsolete.”

  • dirose

    Very well put, Gradstudent. I couldn’t agree with you more.

  • freeinpa

    “If Democrats enact a plan to raise taxes on those who can most afford it”

    ==
    First, what gives you or any other liberal the moral authority to determine who can afford what?

    But more importantly— prove that statement! Explain how a family of 4 living in a major urban area or high tax state can afford it.

  • passingshot1

    Republicans are concerned about adding to the budget deficit and that long-term UI benefits can become a welfare-like disincentive for jobless people to seek work.

    They are right on the first point and partially right on the second. Most people collecting unemployment would rather have a job than to limp along with unemployment checks.

    The problem is that the world is different today and what we are facing is not just a cyclical downturn. Many of the long-term unemployed will stay unemployed so extending payments will become similar to welfare payments.

    Like it or not, we’ll have more income redistribution in the future and we should consider ourselves fortunate if we can make a good living in this competitive environment, even if our taxes are higher.

    America can compete in the future world economy. It’s just that the upper income end will reap a lot more benefits than the low income end. It does not matter if government is conservative or liberal. There is no magical solution to move us all ahead at a faster pace.

  • jgsr

    When exactly did not agreeing with someone become an act of “thwarting”.

    Is it not the implied duty of all Congressmen from any party to vote on what they “personally” think is right whenever there is a vote?

    To refuse an offer to buy heroin, because you feel that practice is wrong, makes you are drug dealer “thwarter”?

    If someone has a different opinion than you, then they are purposely “refusing to cooperate” ?

    I wonder if Mr. Crowley has always agreed with anyone else and everyone else’s opinion to avoid being called a “thwarter”, to not appear to be uncooperative, to avoid being called the always negative writer of “NO”?

    How exactly does any person insist on the right to stand up for what they personally believe is right, but members of Congress do not have that same basic right to stand up for what they believe?

  • pneogy

    “Bashed the GOP?” “Ripped the GOP?”

    It seems to me that he’s just doing the job pusillanimous reporters have left undone.

  • http://elvisberg.wordpress.com Elvis Elvisberg

    As Bruce Bartlett put it, “The press has not done its job which is one reason why it is dying. Reporters refuse to call a spade a spade. Why, I don’t know.”

    The story here is, “Obama bashes GOP, but maybe insincerely!” rather than, “GOP makes nonsensical, unpopular argument to support its stance that would negatively impact millions of people.” Always the horse race, always he-said-she-said, never just facts.

  • kevin

    The Republican House leader John Boehner has fired back at Obama with a statement accusing him of “disingenuous attacks, not answers.”
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    Funny, coming from the same Republican leadership that went on “Meet the Press” this weekend and, when asked what answers they would bring to the table if they were returned to power, basically just shrugged.
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    Remember Boehner’s recent interview with the WaPo?
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    Beyond saying Republicans would scrub the budget for wasteful spending, a pledge regularly made and ignored by politicians of both parties, he offered no examples of what programs Republicans would actually cut.
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    Nor did he seem eager to tip his hand on the terms of entitlement reform. In his interview with the Tribune-Review, Boehner volunteered that the Social Security retirement age might need to be raised to 70 for younger workers but he would go no further.
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    Asked whether partial privatization of Social Security, which Republicans pushed unsuccessfully in 2005, would be part of a GOP agenda, he twice replied, “I have no idea.”

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    The only answer Boehner has ever been able to give is “no.” Nothing more than that.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “First, what gives you or any other liberal the moral authority to determine who can afford what?

    But more importantly— prove that statement! Explain how a family of 4 living in a major urban area or high tax state can afford it.”
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    Family of four on 200K/ year.
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    Food, $70 per person per week (tops – it would cost less than $60 for me alone). $70 X 4 = $280 per week or just under $15k/year.
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    Home, approximately 1/3rd of one’s income $70K/year.
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    Health care $4K per person per year = $16 K.
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    So, to stay alive and in a wonderful home they don’t need that much more than $15k + $16k + $70k = $101 K.
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    Taxes now = $60K.
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    $200k – $60K = $140K after taxes at this rate. $140k – $101K = $39 K fun money approximately.
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    We need half of that fun money and, through what is called in economics the money multiplier, it will result in wage increases for that family of four down the road.
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    Math, sir, determines what is needed compared to what is wanted.
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    Economics, the study of the exchange of goods and services where wants are infinite and resources are finite.
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    In the most expensive real estate market in the US – Manhattan – you can have a very large home for $5,800 per month and do not need a car.
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    Numbers and facts tell us what makes sense and what does not.
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    You, instead, get your answers from your colon.

  • deconstructiva

    Thanks, kbang. Welcome back. Alas, things have been a little “rusty” around here lately, few posts untainted by poisonous rants. Hopefully we’re at the bottom of the cycle. I’ve been reading the Curious Capitalist blog more (if you don’t mind biz stuff). Hopefully those reporters will team up with Kate and Adam more often (since those two are in New York , not DC). If we can get more “1000 words” and lighter stuff to balance the vitriol, even better. Paging sacredh! Need more humor here.
    .
    KT is writing great stuff (like today’s post) as does Ezra Klein, but I agree the WaPo comment system is awful. The reporters don’t seem to reply much there either. I hope she’s hired at a fairly high level and can implement blog changes soon and not have to earn seniority. She paid her dues long ago. But so many media and political sites either are messed up w/ comments or moderate them too heavily: it’s really a sweet deal here but “certain commenters” keep ruining it.
    .
    As for uninfested swamp posts, the last might’ve been Michael’s post on Japanese cat cafes (I don’t know if jcapan has left permanently as he implied recently, though not at this post) –
    http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/06/29/lunch-break-japans-cat-cafes/
    As you noticed, the serious posts have all been toasted by too much flame. I don’t know what’s the best solution.

  • ruffyy

    With the amount of jobs lost which was about give or take 5 million jobs, it was offically calculated that it would take a minimum of 60 months or more to gain those jobs back. We need to change the developement-entice-spend-developement cycle that enslaves America with a constant carrot and stick consumerism. I believe in this situation you should let the fifty and older collect making way for the younger folks to get a job at more favorable rates of pay. Semi retire those over fifty because employers don’t want to pay them for their experience anyway. With a good chunk of the unemployed out of the way the wheels can start running again. The over fifty crowd can find employment as contractual workers and a modification of healthcare reform could cover them evn in a generously limited way. Let these folks remain at their unemployment level until they reach retirement age and they can lock into 50% unemployment and 50% retirement at 62 years old. By now folks are learning to live more sparsely so there should’t be a problem.

  • ruffyy

    We could also save money by sending folks who come over the border to Iraq and Afghanistan as a means of becoming citizens. If they work for our military then we could pay them a stipend tht they could send back home to keep folks comfortable where they are from. After about 4 to 5 years they’d be on the fast track to American citizenship. We could reduce our prescence in the war and keep our forces there as support. I am sure a plan of this nature would help us recoup some of the funding going towards defense and reroute it towards the citizens as defense is the largest portion of the deificeit.

  • ruffyy

    Obama has done a great job as president. I feel there is a racist component to the opinion polls and some of the American citizens. He did not create the economic mess, nor the gulf oil spill and healthcare reform was an ongoing dream that Obama bought to fruition. We have the republicans and the tea partiers hate mongering Hitler style. They paint the left wing folks as the ultimate crazies when actually it’s the devisive methods of the republicans that keep the racist and defeatist message in the headlines everyday. Remember if you tell folks a lie long enough they will believe it. It happened in Germany with Hitler and it’s happening now with the republicans. The confuse the issues and scare Americans with imprescise information and suppositions. Most Americans don’t have the ability to dechiper the information they are hearing nor do they reasearch what is told to them. For example the Stock Market data. Math is not the Americans strong suit so when they start talking about 1/16th and 1/32nds the age old method of confusing folks with data that could be expained in whole easy to follow numbers. Instead we watch the newcasters faces and listen for good or bad evaluations from guys in suits. Most folks don’t even realise the Federal Reserve is not part of the federal government, but they are in congress so much you think that they are. I believe Obama is trying to implement safe and sane measures to get America back on track. The republicans are so pro-business and sounding the defiect alarm that folks are confused and keeping folks confused is what the republicans want. Obama is really doing a great job. Don’t let rascism and lack of knowledge steer you in a wrong direction.

  • pneogy

    Yeah. It’s actually worse because the media indulges in the sort of false equivalency that Paul Krugman characterizes as: The Shape of the Earth – Opinions Differ. They are not only promoting horse race, they are either uninformed or spreading disinformation.

  • acameronw

    Want to pay for the new unemployment extensions? We have more than 700n acknowledged military bases overseas. (I’m not counting the “black ops” bases because, well, I’m they’ll come and get me if I do.) Pick 3 or 4 for closing. Go ahead, almost any 3 or 4 would do. There ‘s got be thirty billion dollars in there somewhere.

    (And BTW, how much does the military spend on new band instruments every year? Not be churlish about maintaining morale, but I bet it totes up to a pretty tidy sum.)

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Ruffy,
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    I thought that would be a good idea to offer illegal immigrants a fast track to citizenship through military service.
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    Nothing could get them the exposure to English, work experience and training like the military and would end the shortage of troops we have.
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    Also, after fighting for this country, they will, probably, like most combat veterans, be extremely patriotic Americans after a tour of duty or two.
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    I think the Republicans would find a way to be against it, though. I don’t know why.

  • Alex Vallas

    It is terrifying to think that if the GOP wins a majority in November, Boozing Boehner would become Speaker of the House. This guy is brainless and comes out with some really stupid comments. Example: stating that the President’s financial reform bill is like killing an ant with nuclear weapons. That is only one of many. Then you have Cantor of Virginia who called Emanuel Rhamm and asked that the Administration go easy on Israel when they were destroying Palestinian homes and building Israeli ones in violation of UN and US Agreements. Makes you wonder where his major allegiance is. Forget about any progress in the Middle East. Would he be #2? Sarah Palin having a major voice in the party (Tea and GOP)?. She is clueless — has learned some catchy phrases but has no solutions. Wants to block decreases in defense spending. She is now a military expert? Get real. Could you see her attempting to have an intelligent discussion — hand written notes in her palms and up her arms. Wow what choices.

  • shepherdwong

    I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it’s hell.
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    –Harry S. Truman

  • shepherdwong

    “First, what gives you or any other liberal the moral authority to determine who can afford what?”
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    We do, when we vote them into office. But I’m going to guess that you don’t struggle as hard with the concept when you deem that it’s not a “liberal” who’s making the call (pssst: Republicans raise tax rates too – at least, they used to when they were pretending to be responsibly doing their government jobs).

  • maverick2k9

    ruffyy, Get republicans and Joe Klein to support your idea of reducing the retirement age.
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    They want to go in the opposite direction; i.e. increase the retirement age to 70.

  • sacredh

    A little OT, but I want the right wingers to consider a little bit of history and be honest. The estate tax this year is zero. Last year it was 45%. If Afghanistan is Obama’s war…then unless they want to say that they have their heads up their ass and can’t tell one year from another…then the zero rate for the scary “Death Tax” is Obama’s baby. The socialist Bush had it at 45% and 55%. It took Obama getting into office to let people keep their money.
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    The claim I just made doesn’t make any sense. I know it doesn’t. This isn’t Obama’s war either. Admit it. Of course you can just continue to revise history and boil it down to republican good, democrat bad.

  • 53_3

    Rusty:
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    I can understand the argument for restraining spending, and we will eventually have to.
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    However, I think that things are too fragile to do it now. I know you feel differently about that but that is fundamentally at the base of anticipated disagreement.
    .
    On the specific issue of unemployment, I don’t buy the idea that it encourages laziness, just to cover that base too. I think that it might be better to realize that it may be a bit costly, but it is a far more direct method of helping the economy.
    .
    Politically, you are going to be grabbing the wrong end of the stick, because ideologies may be pure, but unfortunately, the more broken eggs required to make the omelet, the greater the likelihood those “broken eggs” will turn against the GOP.

  • dirose

    “As you noticed, the serious posts have all been toasted by too much flame. I don’t know what’s the best solution.”

    Decon: Maybe declare every day Thursday?

  • 53_3

    They have a habit of not only biting the hand that feeds, ‘em, they try to chaw the damned thing off…

  • http://milascurtains.wordpress.com milascurtains

    I hope You know, that Bush’s tax cuts are not paid for.
    Still.
    Add it is exactly these tax cuts , that made deficit around 2.5 tr .
    So, compare Goals ans senses, , all right?

    and something else: if You think – it is so attractive to decrease deficit – we all agree, except the one thing – tax cuts prolonged will add to it 2.5 more tr
    At least.
    So, you, Reps, just can not have it both way : and tax cut and deficit cut.
    So do nit fool yourself.

  • passingshot1

    I don’t recall in recent history an opposing party trying so desperately to regain power.

  • fordvsothers

    Attention:
    I believe that all Americans are worry about everything happening in D.C..The solution is easy RECALL EVERYONE OF THEM and REPLACE WITH PERSON’S THAT CARE ABOUT AMERICA.The Constuition gives us the right to take back the government if they aren’t doing there job(THEY HAVE REALLY MESSED UP).Congress makes more than the President and once elected they have no term limits(THE PRESIDENT CAN ONLY SERVE 2 TERMS)unless they are voted out.WHY DID CONGRESS DO THIS BECAUSE THEY HAVE A SWEET OPERATION GOING ON IN D.C.?So to summarize they make a lot of money doing alot of nothing,can stay in office untill voted out,have great health insurance(which we pay the premium),and all those perks.THIS IS MY OPINION,BUT WILL ANY OF THEM TALK TO US,NO BECAUSE WE ARE NOT IMPORTANT TO THEM

  • fordvsothers

    THE MAIN JOB FOR CONGRESS IS TO LISTEN TO US AND THEN THEY CAN MAKE THE BILLS THAT HELP EVERYBODY NOT JUST A TOKEN FEW.I sent e-mails to Harry Reid ,Nancy Pelois and to the President asking them to bring the some of the working class people to D.C. to talk to Congress about how we (the average American)thinks about what they are doing,but the probability of that happening is probably slim to none.I would like to believe that Congress is working for us ,but it seems that what we(AMERICAN PEOPLE) want isn’t important enough to ask us(AMERICAN PEOPLE) what we think??

    I am a republican that dosen’t mean that I always vote republican.I also believe that democrats don’t always vote for democrats.I think that all of us should come together as a group and demand that Congress step down

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