Morning Must Reads: Counting Seats

What did I miss?
.
Nothing unimportant.

“the tangled, inefficient web of the U.S. intelligence community”

Boo.

http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2010/07/10/we-have-heard-reports/

He’ll head to Chicago in August to help out with the very troubled effort to defend his old Senate seat.
.
“Very troubled”? It hasn’t been a lock by any means, but as Kirk self-destructs with his pathological lying about his resume, Giannoulias has been coming on strong.
.
Even Rasmussen has this as a (very slight) Democratic edge now.

Hey, I was just wondering what happened to the not-insane-or-racist conservatives. Nice to see you back.

I’ve been flying under the radar these past few months. Call it a crisis of being. That, or a meltdown.

Hope all’s well. We’ve missed having a voice of sane conservatism here.

What did I miss?

“Colordao”? Quayle does your spellcheck??

Coulda been “Colored-rado” if it were the teabaggers so I guess we’re lucky.

Common sense indicates that Reid can’t do better than a 7-point lead. One caller to KNPR’s “State of Nevada” on Friday said, “We loathe Harry Reid,” and added she would rather “vote for an alien from Area 51.”

.
The one defining moment will be when Sarah Palin rushes to the rescue of Angle, what will dear ‘ol Harry do then?
.
Wait and watch folks, it will be an interesting election year.

Wow, still race baiting I see foghorn. Good job! You make all liberal-loons proud.

–Obama enters full-blown campaign mode, takes a sharper political tack in his weekly address.

.
Yes America, the political tack is When in doubt, blame it all on George W Bush.
.
This is without a doubt the most imaginative political strategy of all time!!

the tangled, inefficient web of the U.S. intelligence community
.
..is going to advise which Afghani tribes to arm, train and pay to fill the power-vacuum once we marginalize the Taliban. Much like we, with Pakistani intelligence, supported, armed and trained the Taliban to fill the leadership-void as the Soviets withdrew (..after we established al Qaeda to resist the Soviets)…
.
What could possibly go wrong?

Your skin is so thin, Rusty, you must live in that state called Disarray.

And Palin as Shakespeare.

It’s Shakespalin!…

“All the world’s a stage, and one man in his time plays many parts…Myself, I have quit several jobs.”

Laugh like the rest of us?

“‘Tis better to have run and lost…for I doth maketh myself more important than I deserveth.”

grape, for thee win!

What did I miss?

A gauzy agenda.

“The heads of the Republican congressional campaign committees — Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX) and Pete Sessions (R-TX) — appeared on NBC’s Meet the Press today to discuss their party’s strategy for the November elections.

Sessions began by saying that everyone knows exactly ‘what Republicans stand for,’ but he quickly proved that even he doesn’t really know. Host David Gregory, visibly frustrated, repeatedly pressed the two campaign chiefs for substance, saying, ‘these are not specifics, voters get tired of that.’ But all he got in return was vapid talking points, like how Republican candidates are ‘standing with the American people back home.’”

Dangeth.

The unstated agenda?

“The government shutdown was a political failure for Republicans—it did no damage to Clinton, who sailed to victory in 1996. The trouble with a government shutdown, from the Republican perspective, is that it generates too many stories about people who couldn’t visit public parks that week and that it focuses attention on actual budgetary details; it’s a battle fought on reality-based turf, and that terrain is not favorable to Republicans.

Endless investigations are another story. While Republicans did suffer losses in 1998, the fact that they won the White House in 2000 means that impeachment must be viewed as something of a political success. Moreover, modern Republicans excel at destroying their opponents personally, and personal destruction was the end goal of the various investigations of Clinton.”

I refudiate Miss Prissy’s attempt to outdo Yogi Berra.

I’m sure he’ll refudiate any claims Sarah makes so she can understand what he means.

CM’s trying to plug for Jed Blush for prez. Eww.

RE the pic: Why’s the one who needs to be buckled in isn’t???

Demoted.

“At the start of the week, Williams was listed as a ‘vice chairman’ on the website for the Our Country Deserves Better PAC. Now, the site shows Williams listed as a ‘spokesperson’ for the PAC. The same goes for the Tea Party Express website — it still listed Williams as the group’s chair until yesterday, when it was changed to reflect Williams’ resignation from the group in June.

Joe Wierzbicki, the coordinator for TPE and the PAC, confirmed that the changes were made to the websites Friday after press inquiries surrounding Williams’ controversial blog post. Williams removed the post Friday, but the controversy surrounding it has continued.”

“a series of human errors, technical problems, systemic obstacles, analytical misjudgments, and competing priorities”

http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2010/05/20/points-of-failure/

A recession-proof industry.

“After nine years of unprecedented spending and growth, the result is that the system put in place to keep the United States safe is so massive that its effectiveness is impossible to determine.”

Unintended consequences.

“More than two decades of increased enforcement since the passage of the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 has done little to reduce the number of illegal immigrants. In fact, its seems to have increased their numbers. Meanwhile, the question of jobs, which are the true driver of legal and illegal immigration, has been largely neglected.[...]

With increasing border enforcement, workers who used to shuttle between jobs in California or Texas and home in Zacatecas or Michoacán simply began to stay put and sent for their families, becoming permanent, if sometimes reluctant, residents…post-IRCA border enforcement may have increased the size of the permanent Mexican population in the United States by a factor of nearly four.”

The Redundant Department of Redundancy. But whatever works, right?

You’re just lucky it’s not a strategery… then you’d have to refudiate it.

Fooling around with half-measures and word games.

“Gone, in the Democrat’s mind, are the terms ‘cap’ and ‘cap and trade,’ which are synonymous with last June’s House-passed climate bill as well as other existing environmental policies for curbing traditional air pollutants. In their place are new slogans recommended by prominent pollsters (and even a neuroscientist) that Reid and allies hope they can use to overcome the long-shot prospects for passing climate legislation.

But they’ve got a difficult job ahead. Already, Republican-led attacks during the past year have crushed the Democrats in the message war over a very complex piece of legislation. GOP opponents have exploited public angst over record unemployment levels, higher taxes and the creation of a new carbon market that’s potentially worth trillions of dollars, a reminder for voters of the recent Wall Street collapse.”

“all he got in return was vapid talking points,”

Still better than the outright lies that Obama gave during the campaign and continues to do. But then who would have elected the empty suit if he actually said what he wanted to do?

(sigh)

What, pray tell, did he lie about? There’s a difference between lying and accomplishing to what you object.

“Radical leaders prey on the fearful and naïve”.

“…the anger pendulum has swung far in the conservative direction, and accusations that once were beyond the pale — not just talk of Nazis and Marxists but intimations of tyranny, revolution and bloodshed — are now routine.”

The investigation’s other findings include:
.
I read that section and I think: Jobs! All those people working steadily.
Consider what it takes to build all that. Not only from intelligence and defense, but locally, from construction, logistics, staffing.. to the guy selling muffins in front. Because I believe that the government is better than the private sector at providing a platform for private employment. Witness the government’s inefficiency– it creates more jobs! It’s the Keynesian ditch.

I thought Angel was from Area 51.
.
She surely hasn’t spent a great deal of time on the planet earth with her ideas.

For dessert:

“A stupider strategy is hard to imagine.”

“Over the weekend Republicans unveiled their brilliant new political strategy strategy: the George W. Bush years were the good old days and we should go back to them…’

“This is without a doubt the most imaginative political strategy of all time!!”
.
It may not be an imaginative strategy, but its a good one.
.
A recent Time poll found that 71 percent blame Bush for the economy versus 27 percent who blame Obama. Americans favor Obama over Bush, 53-to-33 percent.

“This is without a doubt the most imaginative political strategy of all time!!”
.
Yeah, it’s not like Reagan, during the last recession as bad as this one, blamed the first two years of his presidency on Jimmy Carter.
.
It’s not like GWB blamed the dot com bust on Clinton.
.
It’s not like GWB blamed our poor preparation of 9/11 on Clinton.
.
No, nobody, justified or unjustified in politics ever blamed the previous administration until Obama.
.
This is the first time in history that an administration blamed the previous administration for anything – if you suffer from very severe amnesia you might believe this.

neorationalist86:
.
Just in case you’d like to hear something different, you probably missed Cliff Schecter and I this week on Virtually Speaking Sundays: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/virtuallyspeaking/2010/07/19/virtually-speaking-sundays-cliff-schecter

Why, I remember when Stalin was just my “Uncle Joe”. He used to come to family gatherings and read stories to us. We always seemed to have fewer family members after he left but… ah, the happy times when we were strong as a nation and me and my dog Toto would talk to the White Rabbit while sailing down the Mississippi on a raft past a giant peach…
-
Yeah, that could work for a Palin led Republican Party.

Colorado gubernatorial candidate Scott McInnis’ campaign experiences exodus in wake of the plagiarism flap.

Guess who Colorado GOPers like for McPlagiarist’s replacement?

“But then who would have elected the empty suit if he actually said what he wanted to do?”
.
A gradual, pragmatic withdrawal from Iraq with a flexible schedule able to stay longer if the situations mandates.
.
Focus on and victory in Afghanistan.
.
Health Care Reform.
.
The closing of Gitmo.
.
Financial Reform.
.
Extending TARP as needed.
.
A Stimulus Package with ‘shovel ready’ jobs.
.
This is what he said he would do.
.
Iraq, easier said than done, mediocre progress.
.
Afghanistan: more troops are there and it is a larger focus.
.
Financial Reform: almost as extensive as the 1934 Glass Stegal Act the Republicans in congress with Clinton’s signature tore down in 1999, but not as complete but does have some modernization by bringing in derivatives into the reform process.
.
Extending TARP: success including car companies well on their way to paying back the government and even making more desirable cars while under government supervision!
.
Stimulus package: too small in part – but not fully – to appease nervous Republicans.
.
Gitmo: Obama failure since he caved in completely on that point.
.
You must have been hiding under a rock during the 2008 elections Freeinpa. I wish you could go back under that rock again.

Current private job training “system” doesn’t really work.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/38303349

“500 words” –
Reid and Obama swap stories and jokes. “Sharron Angle and Sarah Palin walk into a bar….”

“Republicans excel at destroying their opponents personally, and personal destruction was the end goal of the various investigations of Clinton..”
.
Just as wingnuts here in the Swamp love ad hominem attacks. Unless we are crude enough to insult them back.

“Much better for the GOP would be for Mr. McInnis to bow out after winning the primary, which then would allow the state party’s vacancy committee to choose a replacement.”
-
So the foundation of U.S. democracy is more like a game of spin the bottle except no matter who the bottle points to somebody in a committee tells you whom to kiss. Boy, those founding fathers really knew their party games. No wonder Betsy Ross avoided the closed door meetings.

“…We always seemed to have fewer family members after he left but… ah, the happy times when we were strong as a nation…”
.
LOL
.
That’s brilliant!

Americans favor Obama over Bush, 53-to-33 percent.

.
Only one problemo, momento. Bush isn’t running for any office that I know of. LOL!!

“We are for negotiations, but to do so you have to sit down like a good boy,” …
“They adopt a resolution to force a dialogue, but this cowboy logic has no place in Iran.”
- Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Monday. -link
.
.
Maybe he’s for negotiations, who knows. I’m not going to try to read his intentions. Seems like whenever he opens his mouth it has the opposite effect on whatever he’s proposing; at least here.
.
But we should see if Ali Khamenei agrees. Have him tell us what kinda logic works in Iran. If it’s a bluff- call it. If it’s valid, tell them what we want.

“Bush isn’t running for any office that I know of. LOL!!”
.
But other than tossing around words like Nazi and Communist, the Republic Party has not come up with any new ideas since GWB.
.
To be totally frank, I would love it if I could hear one or two new ideas from Republic Party. Some I would like since they turned into amusing failures before they got voted on like privatizing social security (which, if it had happened would have been invested in toxic assets) right before the dot com bubble burst (fortunately not costing anybody their Social Security benefits at all) or, maybe – maybe – an idea I would agree with. (It has been rare, but, back when the Republic Party had ideas, I liked a couple of them here and there like cap and trade was a brilliant Republic Party idea).

Good thing the point isn’t that Bush might lose the next election, but that we can blame him all we want for all our troubles!
.
The cat died… blame Bush!
.
My brother has intense flatulence… blame Bush!
.
I got fired from my job… blame Bush! Oh… I guess I can really blame Bush for that one… well, continue to blame Bush!
.
Isn’t the world just dandy?

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/07/upset_about_left-wing_agenda_california_man_suspec.php?ref=fpblg
.
Man in Oakland in shoot out with police. Upset by liberal agenda in Congress. It is hard not to make some snarky remark. However, I will let the story speak for itself.

Coming from a commentator who blamed his racist rant on another commentator, that’s hilarious.

To be totally frank, I would love it if I could hear one or two new ideas from Republic Party
==

Let’s hear one from Democrats that doesn’t involve more spending or more useless regulation. There are none. Every thought can be reduced to those 2 words

“What, pray tell, did he lie about?

=

You can keep you doctor or insurance plan if you like it.

Your premiums won’t go up.

It will reduce the deficit

The HC mandates are not taxes

We saved millions of jobs
==
I would end up with carpal tunnel listing them all

“Republicans excel at destroying their opponents personally, and personal destruction was the end goal of the various investigations of Clinton..”
==

Rev Jim you failed at college, used cars, taxi now you fail either as a comedian or historian.

Have you ever heard of John Tower or perhaps Robert Bork? Both pre-date the Clintons. We still hear about Dan Quayle and spelling of potato but nary a word of Obama and how he visited 57 states

Libs hate it that conservatives now fight back using the same tactics on Demos that the Dumos have used for 40 years.

“Let’s hear one from Democrats that doesn’t involve more spending or more useless regulation.”
.
Closing Gitmo.
.
Letting the Bush Tax cuts expire to cut the deficit.
.
Sorry, that would be two. I could probably make a list of at least ten if wanted to spend the time on it, but, frankly, if the economy boomed, the Iraqi insurgents surrendered to be replaced by a functional democracy in Iraq and Afghanistan became a shining example outshining Turkey as a secular democracy but with trillions in oil and mineral reserves, you would never agree with Democrats since you just hate Democrats for the sake of hating Democrats.

“You can keep you[r] doctor or insurance plan if you like it.

Your premiums won’t go up.

It will reduce the deficit

The HC mandates are not taxes

We saved millions of jobs”
.
“You can keep you doctor or insurance plan if you like it.”
.
So long as, independent of the legislation, the doctor does not choose to leave the insurance group.
.
That is, the legislation will not make you change insurance plans or doctors. Employers may make you change insurance plans and doctors choosing to leave may make you need to get a new doctor.
.
“It will reduce the deficit”
.
Relative to paying the same annual increases we were paying, yes, it would.
.
“The HC mandates are not taxes.”
.
No, they aren’t. The tax increase for all companies which choose not to provide health care is a tax.
.
“We saved millions of jobs”
.
That is, absolutely, true. The job losses would have lead to about 15% unemployment and, as one of many terrible results, I would have 24/7/365 without anything much happening at work and to spend responding to you. (No, not what either of us want, is it?)
.
I honestly do not wish you injury, but, keep on trying to find a false statement which is knowingly false by Obama. You have not done so yet.

“Have you ever heard of John Tower or perhaps Robert Bork? Both pre-date the Clintons. We still hear about Dan Quayle and spelling of potato but nary a word of Obama and how he visited 57 states

Libs hate it that conservatives now fight back using the same tactics on Demos that the Dumos have used for 40 years.”
.
Have you ever heard of Jimmy Carter, a wonderfully honest and well intended man who was not successful inspiring people in his abilities at all despite being a nuclear engineer, a Navy veteran and a commander of a nuclear submarine?
.
Have you ever heard of Michael Dukakis, a man of average height and average looks who was made fun of as short and funny looking?
.
Have you ever heard of Gary Hart?
.
Have you ever heard of Monica Lewinski, a young woman who made a few bad decisions in her private life with a very public man doing very private things which should never, ever have been discussed on broadcast television or radio?
.
Have you ever heard of Joe Biden?
.
Just because you take all jokes about Republican gaffs personally does not mean that when Democrats say one dumb thing or another it does not get broadcast.
.
When Biden said that during the stock market crash of 1929 FDR got on the television and reassured the American people, even NPR was falling out of their chairs laughing at him. (Unless he was standing on top of a prototype of a television, he could not have been on one in 1929 and he was governor of New York who did not make many comments at the time).
.
Now, get out and fix air conditioners, will you freon in pa.

Thanks, SZ. Interesting. I see the Swamp is still largely inhabitated by the same creatures. No new species in my absence?

megatronrises,
.
Have you ever heard of a chain reaction?
.
That is when a causes b causes c causes d causes e causes f…
.
Economics can work that way.
.
Bad management of Bush created a chain reaction which Obama has not been able to stop.
.
Nice and simple.

Closing Gitmo.
.
Letting the Bush Tax cuts expire to cut the deficit
==
Simple liberal solutions from simple liberal minds!

Closing Gitmo doesn’t happen without some other law or regulation unless you propose to release all prisoners into the streets of NYC.

You are dumber than a bag of hammers if the expiration of tax cuts (which by the way would produce another Obama lie since it would raise taxes on the middle class) would not result in more spending since liberals and Obama have been arguing for more stimulus, Unemployment benefits etc And in reality letting a law sunset is a cowards way to add new regulations and taxes.

A gradual, pragmatic withdrawal from Iraq with a flexible schedule able to stay longer if the situations mandates.
.
Focus on and victory in Afghanistan.-And he names a General he belittled and called a liar to lead the charge.
.
Health Care Reform.- None of which the left spoke the truth abou twhile calling everybody else liars.
.
The closing of Gitmo.- still not done and Holder is back into a corner over NYC trials
.
Financial Reform.- a giant regulatory nightmare with Fannie & Freddie still on the loose
.
Extending TARP as needed.- A Bush initiative that was twisted into a slush fund for political allies
.
A Stimulus Package with ‘shovel ready’ jobs.- The only thing shovel ready was the manure that the public was fed
.

“Closing Gitmo doesn’t happen without some other law or regulation unless you propose to release all prisoners into the streets of NYC…”
.
Not true at all.
.
According the the Geneva Accord, these people are supposed either be in the custody of the Armed forces in someplace like Fort Leavenworth for the duration of the conflict or placed in Supermax while awaiting trail which would, should they be convicted, have them permanently placed in Supermax or a similar facility.
.
The laws have been there since World War One.
.
Letting the tax breaks for those making over $200,000 would “..produce another Obama lie since it would raise taxes on the middle class..
.
Sorry, only about one in two hundred Americans make that much money. The top one half of one percent is not in the “middle”.
.
You are, as usual, completely wrong.
.
If you were not hiding under a rock during Obama’s campaign, letting these tax breaks for the top of the top expire was a campaign promise as a means to help provide both tax cuts and improved social services to the bottom 99%.

Don’t forget:
.
Max Cleland, Democratic senator and decorated Vietnam vet who suffered horrendous wounds, was the target of an ad that questioned his patriotism. His opponent, Republican Saxby Chambliss, had received student deferments during the same war.

Rev Jim

You confuse (no surprise there) having fun poke at a person with having there reputation destroyed and tarnished.

Carter? His record stands for itself. He was more suited to be president of Habitat for Humanity than the US

Gary Hart? He was run out of town by journalists and his own stupidity. Republicans had nothing to do with him

Monica Lewinsky? She never would have been in that position if Clinton didn’t lie and then use his Administration to spread the lie.

I do glad you agree Biden is a joke. But then most elected Demos are

But you still confuse making fun of with personally destroying a persons career.

“Focus on and victory in Afghanistan.-And he names a General he belittled and called a liar to lead the charge.”
.
As a catchy headline, a liberal group asked if Petreas would betray us. Obama never said that and did not even comment on that.
.
Sorry, you are wrong.
.
“Health Care Reform.- None of which the left spoke the truth abou twhile calling everybody else liars.”
.
First, this is the Bob Dole health care plan, not a liberal or left plan since it leaves all of health care in the hands of the private sector rather than the liberal plan of having a public option.
.
Second, it is true that the legislation would not mandate or require in any way for anybody to change doctors for any reason. That is true. It does not forbid doctors from quitting a plan since slavery is illegal doctors may choose to leave a plan. It does not require than companies keep a particular plan if they find one which fits their need better. These are all true.
.
Third, death panels, something which does exist in private insurance companies who get to choose for you if they will provide particular medicine or surgery for the services you pay for is not only not a part of the plan, but, is forbidden under the Obama plan. The truth was that death panels already existed and this plan does get rid of it.
.
“The closing of Gitmo.- still not done and Holder is back into a corner over NYC trials”
.
The trials are difficult, but Obama, should he want to, may place the prisoners in an existing prison inside of the Untied States such as Supermax rather than Gitmo. As a matter of principal secret prisons at undisclosed locations was what the Soviet Union and the Nazis among many oppressive governments have done and do but not what Americans do.
.
“Financial Reform.- a giant regulatory nightmare with Fannie & Freddie still on the loose”
.
It’s a partial return to the Glass Stegal act of 1934 which was in effect until 1999 – a wonderfully stable time for American banks and financial institutions. It takes existing regulations for securities and applies them, also, to derivatives. The derivatives regulation is very easy for anybody involved in any other type of security exchange to understand and anybody who was in banking eleven years ago knows how to run a very stable and profitable bank with Glass Stegal regulations. This, unfortunately, is less comprehensive.
.
“Extending TARP as needed.- A Bush initiative that was twisted into a slush fund for political allies.”
.
If and only if you mean all participants in the US economy are Obama allies. The cascading effect of car company failures and the loss of union wages would have been astronomical.
.
“A Stimulus Package with ‘shovel ready’ jobs.- The only thing shovel ready was the manure that the public was fed.”
.
More than ten thousand miles of US roads were repaired.
.
Just because facts make you wingnuts eat manure does not mean that we are the ones feeding it to you.

“But you still confuse making fun of with personally destroying a persons career.”
.
You mean Dan Quayle a nowhere Senator destined for the life of the back benches forever who had a fair chance at getting the Republican Presidential nomination in 2000 and is now wealthier than Al Gore without having idiots call him names day and night?
.
Please, if being “ruined” to you means having a net worth of hundreds of millions of dollars and a great job, please feel free to “ruin” me any time you would like.
.
Had it not been for GHWB, Quayle would have never been known outside of his own state.
.
Lewinski was an unpaid intern first and got involved with Clinton later. She wanted work credentials and, instead, became nationally infamous and to this day has an extremely hard time finding a relationship. She is in her mid 30s now and may, possibly, never marry or have children due to the infamy of her name.
.
She was destroyed.
.
Quayle deserved the laughter since he wouldn’t stop saying hilariously dumb things. They were not just dumb as many people do, but hilarious.
.
“In an address to the NAACP (whose slogan is “A mind is a terrible thing to waste”), however, he put his very consciousness in doubt with the message, “what a waste it is to lose one’s mind. Or not to have a mind is being very wasteful. How true that is.””
.
He could have, say, written a script in advance and read the words off of a page if he is a nervous speaker. Instead, he just, obviously unintentionally, made it sound like the endowment for black college students was a cause which dealt with mental illness!
.
Hilarious!
.
Even if I were Republican, I would find that funny since it was such screwed up version of a very well known advertisement for a very well known cause.
.
If he didn’t blooper, nobody would even remember Dan Quayle. He would be forgotten like Walter Mondale!

WDYM??
.
Reporting on all the intrigue around the choice of Elizabeth Warren as the first director of the Bureau of Consumer Financial Protection is intensifying.
.
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2010/07/19/dodd-casts-doubt-on-warren-for-consumer-agency/
.
Dodd seems to be already working on his post-retirement job as a director of .

According the the Geneva Accord, these people are supposed either be in the custody of the Armed forces in someplace like Fort Leavenworth for the duration of the conflict or placed in Supermax while awaiting trail which would, should they be convicted, have them permanently placed in Supermax or a similar facility.
.

A Gitmo is a place like Leavenworth and they are in the custody of the Armed Forces

==
Sorry, only about one in two hundred Americans make that much money. The top one half of one percent is not in the “middle”.

Here is a chart that compares Bush tax cut to Clinton. Across every bracket taxes increases. And let’s not forget to mention the increase on cap gains and dividends that cut across all income brackets

http://www.taxfoundation.org/blog/show/22958.html

Another liberal talking point that is just a lie.

Keep swinging Rev JIm

“AP’s analysis, which was reviewed by independent economists at five universities, showed that strategy hasn’t affected unemployment rates so far. And there’s concern it won’t work the second time. For its analysis, the AP examined the effects of road and bridge spending in communities on local unemployment; it did not try to measure results of the broader aid that also was in the first stimulus like tax cuts, unemployment benefits or money for states”.

So much for the shovel ready jobs. But the millions on signs telling us how great a job they are doing may have created 2 or 3

==
“The cascading effect of car company failures and the loss of union wages would have been astronomical”

Another “liberal fact” with no basis in fact. The cause of those auto failures was precisely what Obama was saving at tax payer expense. He doesn’t seem to have the same concern fo rthe devastation he is doing to the Gulf with his mindless bans on drilling
==

”
Just because facts make you wingnuts eat manure does not mean that we are the ones feeding it to you.”

No because your baseless opinions are repeated over and over does not make them facts. No wonder you are a colossal failure at everything you have tried.

Rev Jim you just get dumber by the keystroke.

=
“Please, if being “ruined” to you means having a net worth of hundreds of millions of dollars and a great job, please feel free to “ruin” me any time you would like”

What does a net worth have to do with anything other than class envy that liberals typically pose. His political career was over because of the liberal attacks
=
“Lewinski was an unpaid intern first and got involved with Clinton later. She wanted work credentials and, instead, became nationally infamous and to this”

Again unpaid intern is relevant how? SHe got involved? Clinton used his office to have sex with a women despite being married which she knew. Hardly an innocent babe. She was also part of the subterfuge and lies that came afterward. Who destroyed her Bill Clinton

=
“She is in her mid 30s now and may, possibly, never marry or have children due to the infamy of her name.”

First she launched a line of handbags that would have gone nowhere if she didn’t have her 15 minutes of fame. Just like Tiger Woods has discovered when you act inappropriately there are consequences.

==
Again you fail. You defend Lewinski as being destroyed for acting inappropriately with a married man and was part of a lie and cover-up but insist Quayle deserved it for a mistake no worse than Obambi and Biden commit nearly weekly.

==
Liberals made a sport out of destroying people who had no other interest than public service (Tower, Bork)

Let’s not forget Billy Dale of Travelgate who was accused of kickbacks by Hillary (without proof) just to get her friends the job. After they were fired and destroyed it was found out the improprieties did not exist.

Your AP fact was from a six month old article January 11, 2010, on ABC.
.
“Another “liberal fact” with no basis in fact. The cause of those auto failures was precisely what Obama was saving at tax payer expense. He doesn’t seem to have the same concern fo rthe devastation he is doing to the Gulf with his mindless bans on drilling”
.
First, you are going to tell me that a town where 5% of the population is involved in either auto manufacturing or making auto parts would not be totally ruined by a sudden closing of that factory? How about the restuarants serving those factory workers near their work? How about the ones near their homes? How about the convenience stores, coffee shops, newspaper stands and bars between their work and home? How about the real estate prices of home if 5% have to downscale and move to cheaper places? How about the movie theaters in the area? How about the car wash? The gas stations? How about the tax base after massive layoffs? The cascading effect would be the standard money multiplier of 250%. That is, for every two layoffs it would result in a total of five lost jobs. So, instead of 10% unemployment those towns would have 22.5% unemployment, approaching that of the Great Depression (25% unemployment).
.
You are forgetting that GM and Chrysler are paying the government back ahead of schedule making the biggest problem (not a big one) that the US Treasury is going to own these companies for a shorter period of time and, therefore, make smaller profits. Since the US government does not and should not make investing in private business a priority, this is not a bad thing overall.
.
As for the Gulf, the moratorium is temporary and awaiting better safety rules so that we do not end up with two deep water gushers destroying the many, many more jobs in fishing and tourism which are almost totally destroyed.
.
“…baseless opinions are repeated over and over does not make them facts.”
.
If you want to claim that 234 years of the study of economics is an “opinion” then please test the three thousand year old “opinion” of gravity by stepping off of a tall cliff and tell me how it goes.

“What does a net worth have to do with anything other than class envy that liberals typically pose. His political career was over because of the liberal attacks.”
.
Lets change that to Al Gore and see if you still agree.
.
“What does a net worth have to do with anything other than class envy that conservatives typically have for the self made. His political career was over because of the right wing attacks”
.
“Quayle deserved it for a mistake no worse than Obambi and Biden commit nearly weekly.”
.
Okay, I dare you to find one – just one – Obama or Biden gaff just as funny as “It is a terrible thing to loose your mind or not to have one” by Quayle.
.
There is tripping over your own words which all public speakers do at times, but, mispronouncing a military term is not as funny as saying that the United Negro College fund is for people who have lost their mind or never had a mind when they are the ones you are speaking to!
.
SNL couldn’t have written that one!
.
All politicians are responsible for their own gaffs.
.
As for Monica, are you going to tell me that when you were 21 or younger you weren’t in bed with a woman who you regretted being in bed with at least once?
.
Lewinski did not run for office. Clinton was not elected husband and chief. He was not elected father and chief. He was elected commander and chief and he did not fail as commander and chief. He failed as a husband and father.
.
Since Clinton is not married to any of my relatives, any of my friends, any relatives of my friends or any friends of my relatives, it should never have gone public.
.
How about when the Clinton’s lost their shirts in an honest but failed business deal at Whitewater?
.
Susan McDougal ended up doing jail time for a crime she did not commit due to the insanity of Ken Star trying to prove that if the Clinton’s lost their own hard earned money they must, also, be criminals.

“If you make $75,000 a year and sell a stock for a profit, next year you’ll pay a higher capital gains tax.”
.
Less than 25% Americans make over $75,000.
.
So, that would, still, have the bottom 75%, even with capital gains, paying less, not more, taxes.
.
http://www.springfieldnewssun.com/news/nation-world-news/will-you-pay-more-when-bush-tax-cuts-expire–646402.html
.
“And if you are a family making more than $250,000 a year, some of your itemized deductions will vanish and you will pay more taxes on income, capital gains and stock dividends.”
.
Only 1.5% of all Americans make over $250,000 per year.
.
“President Barack Obama wants Congress to extend the lower tax rates for individuals earning less than $200,000 a year and families making less than $250,000 annually.”
.
Obama is changing the tax cuts in part to give a bigger tax cut to the 98.5% who earn under $250K year.

Second link for what households earn how much since this system puts anybody who puts two links into moderation:
.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States
.
Ooops!
.
When you read the whole story of Obama extending the tax cuts to the lower 98.5% while, also, getting rid of some of the Bush tax cuts, it looks like Obama is tax cutter for the overwhelming majority of the people.
.
Freeper foiled by facts again.

I do find it funny that the “personal responsibility” people on the far right who blame Katrina victims for getting in the way of a hurricane, for the poor for not getting hired as CEOs or other jobs requiring skills, work experience and education they do not have access to can call Dan Quayle a victim.
.
If you are one of the very, very few who can, in front of national audiences ad lib really well and come up with surprisingly brilliant and witty remarks, you do not need to coordinate with your speech writer for every event.
.
However, once you’ve made a few gaffs – especially hilarious ones – make sure to have a speech written, memorized and, just in case, on notes in front of you.
.
Quayle refused to do so.
.
So, instead of being forgotten like Mondale, Nelson Rockefeller, Herbert Humphrey, Alben Barkley and Henry Wallace, he is remembered forever for his gaffs.
.
How it that be the media’s fault?
.
If I were planning to make a five minute speech in front of a group of twenty people I believe I would write it down in advance if not some good notes so that I would sound good.
.
Why would a vice president feel picked on when people hear his dumb mistakes and find them funny?
.
Poor little Dan Quayle, only as wealthy as Al Gore from being a former VP of the US and laughed at for his gaffs rather than have everybody overlook them.
.
Oh, poor baby!

“A Gitmo is a place like Leavenworth and they are in the custody of the Armed Forces.”
.
Gitmo was not originally subject to standard military law nor civilian law due to it’s location. Torture is forbidden in military prisons but not at Gitmo.
.
There is no reason they could not have been held as POWs with a specific duration or, if they are regarded as criminals, placed before a civilian court.
.
Gitmo was to house a new kind of a prisoner an “enemy combatant”.
.
What is the definition of an enemy combatant? It is people GWB did not want to face either civilian courts or give them the rights of a POW. There is no legal state known as “enemy combatant”. It was a spur of the moment invention of GWB so that he could allow torture.

Welcome back Exiled. There are a few new commentors that appear to be more than hit and run. Whether they stick around or not is still a matter of conjecture. I have to admit that a couple of crazy ones have have provided some entertainment.
.
Btw, I hit retirement age last month. I’m still working but the option to go is there now.