In the Arena

Impeach Ahmadinejad?

The New York Times has the latest in the struggle between Iran’s right and far-right–between the so-called traditional conservative “principalists” and the populist-extremists led by the Mahmoud Ahmadinejad–which seems, finally, to be bubbling to the surface. This is a crucial conflict–these two groups, not the Green movement, are probably the real contenders to shape Iran’s future–and it is a nearly incomprehensible one to outsiders (and even to most Iranians). When I was in Iran last year, there was a lot of bitching and moaning about Ahmadinejad among the principalists I interviewed, with three, possibly four, schisms between the groups:

1. Economics–Ahmadinejad has pursued an aggressive and inflationary program of wealth redistribution, with massive subsidies for the poor, who represent his fervent base of supporters (again, Ahmadinejad might have won the election if the votes had really been counted; it certainly would have been close). The principalists favor a more, well, conservative path: using the oil revenues to build for long-term stability and growth.

2. Religion–Ahmadinejad’s supporters tend to be more ecstatic and eschatological. Many see him as a divinely designated precursor for the return of the Mahdi (the Shi’ite End of Days myth is strikingly similar to the Rapture); the principalists are less melodramatic and tend to follow the sophisticated legal and intellectual practices of the traditional Qom clerics..

3.Age– Ahmadinejad’s supporters are younger, with a significant base in the Revolutionary Guard; the principalist leaders have their roots in the revolutionary circle that surrounded Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini (although this divide is hard to gauge, and the Green Movement, which is closer to the principalists, is mostly composed of young people, too).

4. Foreign Policy–the “principalists” I interviewed insisted to me that they might be more accomodating than Ahmadinejad. They were embarrassed by his over-the-top rhetoric, especially about Israel. Their bazaari faction was anxious to do business with the outside world and therefore favored a more moderate stance internationally. And yet, when Iran’s negotiators cut the nuclear fuel exchange deal in Vienna last autumn, most of the “principalists” opposed it (as did the leaders of the Green Movement), in large part because Ahmadinejad favored it. Go figure.

This is just a guess, but I suspect that the new round of sanctions–which hit the bazaaris hard, with a sophisticated (and under-publicized) set of banking regulations–may be turning up the political heat in Iran. A round of parliamentary elections are coming, where the contest between the right and far right will take center stage.

A final thought: the Supreme Leader has ties to both camps–the principalist Larijani brothers are among his closest advisors–and the skill with which he has navigated this rift is impressive.

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  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    Hmm. Mahmoud despises America, and Israel. The liberal swamplanders, along with their chosen one share the same sentiment, so I’m not expecting a lot of comments on this here thread. You should have inserted a few Palinisms, the loonies would be posting in droves.

  • newfreedomblog

    Economics–”Ahmadinejad has pursued an aggressive and inflationary program of wealth redistribution, with massive subsidies for the poor, who represent his fervent base of supporters…”

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    Just changing one word in that statement, and replacing Ahamadinejad with Obama and you have also stated what we have seen right here in America for the past 19 or so months.
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    “Religion–Ahmadinejad’s supporters tend to be more ecstatic and eschatological. Many see him as a divinely designated precursor for the return of”

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    Again, with slight changes, it can also read like this;
    Religion–Obama’s supporters tend to be more ecstatic and eschatological. Many see him as divinely designated precursor for the return of progressivism through a distorted social justice theology of Christianity. Obama being “the One”.
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    Age– Ahmadinejad’s supporters are younger, with a significant base in the Revolutionary Guard; the principalist leaders have their roots in the revolutionary circle that surrounded Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini

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    Wow, we are truly describing our own recent past with Obama. Simple removal of keywords and you have a full and complete description of the Obama Administration.
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    Age–Obama’s supporters are younger, with a significant base in the Progressive Movement; the Principalist leaders, Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, the entire House Progressive Caucas have their roots in the revolutionary circle that surrounded Sal Alinsky, Woodrow Wilson, James Cone, and Mao Tse Tung
    .

    Foreign Policy–the “principalists” I interviewed insisted to me that they might be more accomodating than Ahmadinejad. They were embarrassed by his over-the-top rhetoric, especially about Israel. Their bazaari faction was anxious to do business with the outside world and therefore favored a more moderate stance internationally.

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    Amazing to say the least Joe Klein. You have hit the nail on the head. You have with slight word changes completely described Barack Obama!!
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    Foreign Policy–the “principalists” I interviewed insisted to me that they might be more accomadating than Obama. They were embarrassed by his over-the-top rhetoric, especially about Israel. Their progressive faction was anxious to do business with the outside world and therefore favored a more moderate stance internationally.
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    Thank you Joe, this was indeed enlightening to say the least. One question, when do you foretell calls for impeachment to begin right here in America?

  • geo1671

    What’s with the Obama bashing/ Why not try his handlers instead! Same as the ones that had a dog’s collar and leash on Jr. Bush
    Ashkenazies
    At least with Obama–things are alot quieter than the Bush era. Yes aMerica is tanking–don’t blame it on Iran because BP can’t get it’s mits on the oil resources.
    it appears from reading public comments the Fed parties are like two sport teams.I got bad news for you suckers at large–both are Kosher controlled and you got no say–America tanks/Busts–no big deal! Who wins Jews,Who losses you suckers.
    Now stop demeanizing Iran leaders–if only America can have the same–you wouldn’t be in this mess. How many of you heard that Desney and Kraft have moved their headquarters to CHINA and another 50 Fortune 500 done the same? Keep reading CNN/Time–Goodnite-sleep well fools!

  • Ffred

    JK, outstanding post. To others, well I just started reading The Counterfeiters by André Gide for the first time, and almost immediately two lines struck me as appropriate for this forum:
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    “Unless a thing bores you, you think there’s no depth in it.”
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    You seem to think that one’s only got to be stupid to be funny.”

  • 70northsullivan

    wow.

  • pintortwo

    Thank you Mr. Klein, for this post and for staying on top of events in Iran.
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    Two points:
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    most of the “principalists” opposed (the nuclear fuel exchange deal) (as did the leaders of the Green Movement), in large part because Ahmadinejad favored it.
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    I hadn’t heard this. My understanding is that it was rejected by leadership because it was deemed a bad deal for Iran (seemingly with good reason)- it would have made their nuclear energy program dependent on foreign involvement. I feel it would have been a significant concession to make in order to show a willingness to engage – with no assurance of reciprocation.
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    Also,
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    the new round of sanctions–which hit the bazaaris hard, with a sophisticated (and under-publicized) set of banking regulations–may be turning up the political heat in Iran. A round of parliamentary elections are coming, where the contest between the right and far right will take center stage.
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    Wouldn’t, then, the new sanctions push Iranian voters toward the far-right camp?

  • stuartzechman

    That’s a very interesting comment, thank you.

  • http://elvisberg.wordpress.com Elvis Elvisberg

    Thanks for this fascinating, informative post.

  • stuartzechman

    Can’t you manage to stick to the topic at hand for even a few seconds?

  • newfreedomblog

    Oh stuart lighten up buddy. You don’t like my comparison of Obama to Ahmadinejad?
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    Joe Klein’s bolstering some “oh goody, look people, Obama’s sanctions are really working” meme is so far from the truth it isn’t even funny. At least I bring humor to this stupid thread.

  • ohiolibb

    You don’t take Rusty seriously, do you? I mean, this is the same racist scumball who first claimed that Canadian banking was pretty free before doing an about face and agreeing with articles stating it was heavily regulated. Facts and english speech just confuse him. You have to put in conservative doublespeak before he can understand it.

  • megatronrises

    The humor comes from watching you ‘Epic Fail’.

  • megatronrises

    Oh no! The Elders of Zion or forcing their hand!

  • apr2563

    Thanks for the information, Joe. One’s heart can be so wrapped up in the Green Revolution. It is important to keep contact with reality.

  • mikew67

    Suspect election in Iran? Solution;
    have results verified by old pal Jimmy Carter… ;^)

    – Balkingpoints / www

  • kevin

    Racisty thinks what he’s told to think, pure and simple.
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    If you ever want to know what’s the current Outrage of the Day in the conservative propaganda machine, just come here to read his comments. Apparently, he was instructed to get outraged about the New Black Panther Party this week. And facts be damned, he will be outraged!

  • kevin

    That’s all news to me. I didn’t even know Disney had changed the spelling of its name!

  • swissArmyBrainBETA

    always great to get a glimpse into the political struggles in different countries. its especially so in the middle east where we are so invested in nation building

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